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post #41 of 213
2/11/12 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Grouty2 View Post

If I understand this correctly this is about contracts between American companies (Motorola, Qualcomm and Apple) where one company (Motorola) is trying to rescind parts of a contract it signed with a second company (Qualcomm) as it applies to a third party (Apple).

Of course you are correct that a Californian court would have no jurisdiction over legal processes in another country. I think they can tell an American company that it is breaching a contract signed in America. Like you I'm no expert though. Perhaps there are real lawyers on here that might offer an opinion?

While you are right in saying a California court has no jurisdiction outside the U,S,, part of Apple's suit here is to stop GooMoto from suing on this matter anywhere else in the world, forcing GooMoto to drop their German suit.

IIn addition, if Apple wins this, and I think they likely will, I want to see the video of the Apple truck pulling up to Moto so they can shovel it full of money.
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post #42 of 213
2/11/12 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

Actually the suicide rate at Foxconn is lower per thousand that it is in the U.S.

Indeed it is. There was another thread about Foxconn a couple of days ago, and I posted the stats towards the end of that thread. I don't really think that certain people realize that around a million people work for Foxconn. You can pick any random group of a million people anywhere around the world, and statistically, shit is going to happen.
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post #43 of 213
2/11/12 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Naw. What's the most entertaining of all is that a (f)lame against Apple by some third-rate troll gets six responses.

Now THAT is entertainment.

This forum doesn't tolerate fools well.

Surely, you should know that?
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post #44 of 213
2/11/12 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by Caccamucca View Post

Hey Google! How do you like those Apples now?

When Google buys Motorola Mobility any cash damage awards given to Apple as a result of this will come out of Google's pocket. This may end up costing Google more than 12 Billion.

Just rewards I would say.
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post #45 of 213
2/11/12 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This forum doesn't tolerate fools well.

Surely, you should know that?

Perhaps there is a reason he doesn't know that.

A little humour on irony and obliviousness...

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post #46 of 213
2/11/12 at 3:58pm
Suicide should never be the solution to a problem, but human problems are never that simple. In hiring that many workers, I am sure there are some people with problems that made it through the Foxconn hiring process, only to find out they could not cope with the work and related changes to their lives and did not ask for help.

I would be interested in how many suicides occurred in the people that applied to work at Foxconn but were not accepted.
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post #47 of 213
2/11/12 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

Do you have any idea how long any American factory would take to hire that may professionals? Months!

Months? You're too optimistic, my friend. Think years and years.
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post #48 of 213
2/11/12 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

Another clueless troll in training.

This troll is a tool too.
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post #49 of 213
2/11/12 at 4:37pm
I suspect that Apple and their legal teams have been aware that Apple are covered by the Qualcomm license. That probably waited this long to act just to give Motorola enough rope to hang itself.

If they win this action Google will be quite happy that they have not completed the purchase of Motorola.
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post #50 of 213
2/11/12 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by rufwork View Post

I don't understand; what's Motorola's endgame?

(Still very Dilger-esque, but an interesting read.)

Their endgame is to get access to some of Apple's patents for use, by playing this game with FRAND patents.
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post #51 of 213
2/11/12 at 5:29pm
POINTS TO CONSIDER VALUATION: (1) Value of 3G in apple product is $130 , the difference of iPad wifi vs iPad wifi+3G. Less other patent/technology value applied to make it work as 3G. (2) Qualcomm chip patented - no value. (3) Specifically excluding patents on chips sold to Apple is illegal - discriminatory and antitrust and non FRAND compliant. This is IMHO - am not a lawyer nor had legal academics.
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post #52 of 213
2/11/12 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

A little humour on irony and obliviousness...

Great! Quite apropos.
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post #53 of 213
2/11/12 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Which is why it isn't up to you. Purposely trolling anti-Apple rhetoric has no place here, but to suggest only Apple computers (rather, I assume you'd ban anything as long as it didn't report itself as the Safari browser) is nonsensical.

And how about all AppleInsider accounts having iCloud-only email addresses. How'd that be?

Weekly Known Troll Lists, anyone?

Please add the following members to your ignore list if you are allergic to bullshit:

Slapppy
Galbi
AbsoluteDesignz
DaHarder
etc...

This would probably cut down moderator workloads considerably as they no longer need to cleanup flame wars.

Food for thought.

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In some cases, I agree. In others, we should let them talk themselves to death and bury them in their own confusion.

We'll just suffer the spam in the meantime, shall we?

Let's just hope they don't bury us in their 'confusion' first.

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post #54 of 213
2/11/12 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by GTR View Post

And how about all AppleInsider accounts having iCloud-only email addresses. How'd that be?

Well, I did just switch mine over from my Gmail to my iCloud and I get reports literally seconds after sending now, as opposed to minutes or even never. So there's that going for it.
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post #55 of 213
2/11/12 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Well, I did just switch mine over from my Gmail to my iCloud and I get reports literally seconds after sending now, as opposed to minutes or even never. So there's that going for it.

Consider that a halo effect.

We could try other things:
1. Signed and autographed photo of user with Steve Jobs
2. 100 question Apple quiz (the trolls just won't bother)
3. Secret AppleInsider handshake (using multitouch)
4. Rectum scan using FaceTime (supposedly far more accurate than a retinal scan).

The possibilities are endless.

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post #56 of 213
2/11/12 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Well, I did just switch mine over from my Gmail...

I hear that a lot lately. Not that this will make a ding in Googles' universe, but could that be related to their tactics as of late? Or period, but people coming to the realization that they are a bit... evil?

Careful with that push-email now, if you have vibration alert on, you're iPhone is going to act like a dildo, it's just differently shaped...(shamelessly ripped from Maw-Maw)
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post #57 of 213
2/11/12 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by GTR View Post

Consider that a halo effect.

4. Rectum scan using FaceTime (supposedly far more accurate than a retinal scan).

You get to be the jury, I'll pass. (and that includes the questionnaire)
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post #58 of 213
2/11/12 at 6:24pm
I hope Apple buries both Motorola and Google.

Motorola will soon become an expensive liability for Google and with Google's core businesses under attack by FaceBook, Apple, Oracle, Microsoft and others and Google's inability to innovate will lead to their crumbling

Death to Google. Death to Motorola.
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post #59 of 213
2/11/12 at 6:25pm
I'm reminded of a poem.

I hope Motorola enjoyed stepping into Apple's web, fraudulently preventing the sale of Apple products, even if it was only for a few hours is not likely to go down too well with the courts.

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The Spider and the Fly
Mary Howitt


Will you walk into my parlour?" said the Spider to the Fly,*
'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;*
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,*
And I've a many curious things to shew when you are there."*
Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "to ask me is in vain,*
For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."*


"I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high;*
Will you rest upon my little bed?" said the Spider to the Fly.*
"There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,*
And if you like to rest awhile, I'll snugly tuck you in!"*
Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "for I've often heard it said,*
They never, never wake again, who sleep upon your bed!"*


Said the cunning Spider to the Fly, " Dear friend what can I do,*
To prove the warm affection I 've always felt for you?*
I have within my pantry, good store of all that's nice;*
I'm sure you're very welcome -- will you please to take a slice?"*
"Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "kind Sir, that cannot be,*
I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!"*


"Sweet creature!" said the Spider, "you're witty and you're wise,*
How handsome are your gauzy wings, how brilliant are your eyes!*
I've a little looking-glass upon my parlour shelf,*
If you'll step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself."*
"I thank you, gentle sir," she said, "for what you 're pleased to say,*
And bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day."*


The Spider turned him round about, and went into his den,*
For well he knew the silly Fly would soon come back again:*
So he wove a subtle web, in a little corner sly,*
And set his table ready, to dine upon the Fly.*
Then he came out to his door again, and merrily did sing,*
"Come hither, hither, pretty Fly, with the pearl and silver wing;*
Your robes are green and purple -- there's a crest upon your head;*
Your eyes are like the diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!"*

Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little Fly,*
Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;*
With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer drew,*
Thinking only of her brilliant eyes, and green and purple hue --*
Thinking only of her crested head -- poor foolish thing! At last,*
Up jumped the cunning Spider, and fiercely held her fast.*
He dragged her up his winding stair, into his dismal den,*
Within his little parlour -- but she ne'er came out again!*


And now dear little children, who may this story read,*
To idle, silly flattering words, I pray you ne'er give heed:*
Unto an evil counsellor, close heart and ear and eye,*
And take a lesson from this tale, of the Spider and the Fly.

The Spider and the Fly
Mary Howitt*

"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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post #60 of 213
2/11/12 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Why is Apple filing in California over problems in Germany? Makes as much sense as filing in Spain over problems in China.

I'm no legal expert, but I kinda doubt CA courts have the jurisdiction.

This is a separate lawsuit from the one in Germany.
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post #61 of 213
2/11/12 at 6:57pm
Looks like this is the beginning of the end for Samsung and MotoGoogle. They best get out their checkbook and make friends with Apple now or pay billions more after the antitrust investigation finds they proceeded illegally. Right now MotoGoogle's worst enemy is their lawyers who will cost them billions because they don't know when to say when. What MotoGoogle needs right now is an exit strategy.
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post #62 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Which is why it isn't up to you. Purposely trolling anti-Apple rhetoric has no place here, but to suggest only Apple computers (rather, I assume you'd ban anything as long as it didn't report itself as the Safari browser) is nonsensical.



In some cases, I agree. In others, we should let them talk themselves to death and bury them in their own confusion.

Websites that only serve up content for one brand of web browser is antithetical to what the World Wide Web is about. Remember back in the 90s when web sites displayed buttons like "Best Viewed on Netscape" or "Best Viewed on Internet Explorer"? Or remember when websites would only render (or worse, only work) for IE5 or IE6? Those days, thankfully, are mostly behind us. And I don't miss 'em.

Besides, where would I get my mindless entertainment from? Reading troll posts is like watching the hillbilly channel.
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post #63 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

In the back room at Google:

Okay... if you carry the two and subtract 5 and then multiple it by 7 and then add 4... hmmm... "Hello, Motorola, we've just been crunching the numbers and we've decided that it will cost us less if we just pay you the $2.5 billion and back out of the deal. Oh... and good luck with that thing you have going with Apple. Bye."

LOL!

And best line ever, "Say hello to my little FRAND".
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post #64 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:27pm
Fueller is talking crap like he always does.

He fluffed about the Oracle case in how it will severely damage Googles case.

90+% of the suit brought by Oracle was dismissed.

Fueller is all talk, no walk.


To Apple: The FRAND issue is in Germany, not in California.

This is just Apple's attempt to get something in the door in its home town as all the others have failed.

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post #65 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:32pm
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If it were up to me, any anti-Apple trolls would not be allowed on this forum and any violators would be banned for life (one strike and you're out!). Hell, if it were up to me, people would not be allowed to access this forum, unless they were on a Mac or iOS device. I don't come here for discussions with anti-Apple people, as I am not interested in anything that these people have to say. I am only interested in speaking with fellow Apple users. But that of course is not up to me, so all I can do as a user is to forcibly knock down any ignorant comments which anti-Apple people spew from their mouths. As opposed to what some other people might believe, I don't believe that ignoring ignorance is the best method for dealing with trolls. I believe that they should be confronted head on and killed as quickly as possible

Your will fit right in with communism and socialism. Listening, preaching and practicing only the words and life styles of those from above. Never questioning and raising issues.

This board need people like myself to help generate the clicks and posts to help generate ad revenues.

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post #66 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by leeeh2 View Post

And best line ever, "Say hello to my little FRAND".

Interesting. I was going to Photoshop something almost exactly like this (Tim Cook's head), but it seems my work has been done for me

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post #67 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:37pm
You post some of the funniest graphical arguments around TS. Keep 'em coming.

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post #68 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:40pm
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You post some of the funniest graphical arguments around TS.



Thanks.
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post #69 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

Your will fit right in with communism and socialism. Listening, preaching and practicing only the words and life styles of those from above. Never questioning and raising issues.

This board need people like myself to help generate the clicks and posts to help generate ad revenues.

Nope, I can't stand commies and socialists as they both represent failed and evil political systems designed for ignorant beings who can't think for themselves.

Not wanting anti-Apple trolls on an Apple forum has very little to do with what you suggested. I simply don't like anti-Apple people on an Apple site, imagine that.

If I was on a Ford forum, I wouldn't want Nissan trolls popping by. If I was on a NY Yankees forum, I wouldn't want Boston Redsox trolls coming by. It's quite a simple concept, surely you can understand that?
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post #70 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Nrevitzer View Post

I find it totally entertaining that Apple is so sue happy with everyne else, but get really ticked when someone calls them out.

We only allow Slappy to troll here. You're not welcome.

Where is Slappy btw?
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post #71 of 213
2/11/12 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

I suspect that Apple and their legal teams have been aware that Apple are covered by the Qualcomm license. That probably waited this long to act just to give Motorola enough rope to hang itself.

If they win this action Google will be quite happy that they have not completed the purchase of Motorola.

I have no idea what the purchase agreement between Google and Motorola is, but from what has been stated on this forum previously, Motorola is required to get Google authority to take the legal action. Therefore, at least, Google's involvement in the Motorola suit against Apple puts them into the position of authorizing the precise actions which Google would use to back out of the Motorola deal, or modify the deal indicating Motorola is not worth the initially offered purchase price

Unclean hands!

It could also be the case that Google is actually directing Motorola actions. Either way then Google might be in more trouble. Assuming Apple wins, and things don't go Motorola's way in Europe, Motorola investors are likely to file suits against both Google and Motorola for wasting assets and decrease of stock price.
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post #72 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:00pm
well the thing is, nothing is said and done yet. Mr. Mueller sounds knowledgeable but he's always hyping how Apple has such a strong case on this and that and in the end... whoops, nothing happened. He's predicting huge outcomes that then never materialize.

I am not going to cheer on Apple for "going nuclear" on Android - I think it's a losing strategy. A distraction at best. They're not going to ban Android for you, Apple. Sure they copy everything but for a lot of stuff they can't be prevented from doing so. Those design patents and marks - are just very weak. If Apple had just adopted Microsoft's (sneaky) strategy, they'd fare much better - Android makers would have to pay royalties to Apple for every Android sold. Principles sometimes do not translate into good business.

The good thing is that Tim Cook seems rather level-headed so I am hoping he'll turn what is currently a crusade into a more effective strategic long term strategy. Apple should hire the top business attorney in the USA to oversee the efforts.They've got the cash...
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post #73 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:07pm
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Where is Slappy btw?

Oddly silent indeed since the last quarterly earnings report.

He'll be back when Apple "doesn't meet expectations" next quarter or if Samsung overtakes Apple in yearly "sales" again.
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post #74 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post

I have no idea what the purchase agreement between Google and Motorola is, but from what has been stated on this forum previously, Motorola is required to get Google authority to take the legal action. Therefore, at least, Google's involvement in the Motorola suit against Apple puts them into the position of authorizing the precise actions which Google would use to back out of the Motorola deal, or modify the deal indicating Motorola is not worth the initially offered purchase price

Unclean hands!

It could also be the case that Google is actually directing Motorola actions. Either way then Google might be in more trouble. Assuming Apple wins, and things don't go Motorola's way in Europe, Motorola investors are likely to file suits against both Google and Motorola for wasting assets and decrease of stock price.

They supposedly need to get Google's blessing for new legal actions and probably any new pledges or contracts that might materially affect Motorola's liabilities or assets prior to the closing of the sale, which would be logical.

The suit against Apple is not a new action. There would be no reason to assume that Google could order Moto to stop their legal actions that were committed to prior to Google purchase offer.

Does that make sense?

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post #75 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

This board need people like myself to help generate the clicks and posts to help generate ad revenues.

Post or not, guys like you will never leave. You are incapable of doing so, or even looking away from news concerning Apple. You hate Apple, but yet you are drawn to it.

As a result, AI will continue to get its hits.
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post #76 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Why is Apple filing in California over problems in Germany?

Because they aren't so much filing the suit over the suits in Germany as combatting the underlying game. Which Motorola likely intended to file in other countries but just hadn't done yet.

Add to this that patent suits aren't as restricted when it comes to jurisdiction and the fact that all 3 players are companies that are doing business in the US (plus Cali is Apple's home state) and it's not that illogical.
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post #77 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by rufwork View Post

I don't understand; what's Motorola's endgame?

Stop Apple from being competition or if that is not possible to get as much money out of them as possible.
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post #78 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:23pm
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Qualcomm, the company building the baseband chips in Apple's iPhone 4S, reports in the complaint that "On January 11, 2011, Mr. Kirk Dailey, Motorola's Corporate Vice President, Intellectual Property, sent a letter to Qualcomm, copying Apple, purporting 'to terminate any and all license and covenant rights with respect to Apple, effective February 10, 2011 (30 days from the date of this letter).'"

[ View article on AppleInsider ]

I love how honest Qualcomm is
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post #79 of 213
2/11/12 at 8:23pm
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It may be a profitable company, but recent FBI files tell a story that Apple will lie steal and cheat to get there way.

Those are 20 year old files about Steve Jobs and how he was at that time. They do not necessarily reflect Apple as a company or Steve Jobs at the time of his death.

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Plus they don't give a crap about the way there OEM factories are run.

You have zero proof of that.
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2/11/12 at 8:25pm
Why do I get the distinct feeling that Apple has just sprung a trap?

All of those pre-ambles with not contesting the original suit in Germany, getting banned there, getting un-banned there, and now this, with a potential of billions of upside.

Risky business, for sure, but if it works it might become a textbook in future Contracts classes.
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