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post #121 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by Red Oak View Post

Multi-touch is the clearest example to me of Android and Samsung stealing from Apple. I do not believe Apple has brought any lawsuit on this yet, outside of the swipe to open including in this compliant.

My understanding is Apple has a library of patents on it, some dating back 20 years. If so, this could be the next hammer that comes down. This would be the nuclear bomb, as Android would not be able to work around it.

Any insight from the board is appreciated

they won't cuz they don't want them invalidated by prior art.
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post #122 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:20am
Google has clearly been beaten.

It should just pay Apple $50 billion dollars in damages for using Eric Schmidt to steal Apple's secrets. Larry Page should then go to Tim Cook, kneel before him, say "Sorry" and beg for forgiveness.

Google should then remove all the infringing features from Android like "data-detectors," "Swipe to unlock," and so on. Samsung and MotoMobi can then market their Android phones as "Smartphones with the best third-rate OS."

Truth in advertising !!!
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post #123 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

Just look at 50% - 80% of the "new" items in iOS 4 and iOS 5 and you'll see Google's innovations.

"Great artists steal"

Like what?

Or are you just feeling random today?
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post #124 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by Galeforce View Post

Google didn't innovate them - they existed in other OSs such as WebOS and WinMob.

You're confusing innovate with invent. It's a common mistake.

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post #125 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope View Post

It's rare because Nexus wasn't meant for retail to begin with. It is a referenced handset, a test mule if you will, meant for App developers to learn and develop their apps for ICS on a vanilla Adnroid, be it features, stability or functions. So if your apps run on Nexus, it should run anywhere. Goggle doesn't have the option to give retail handsets to developers like Apple, but Nexus will be a yardstick all Android 4.0 apps will be tested on.

The first batch Samsung made are probably go direct to Google's developers and third-party clients who has signed up and has storefronts in Marketplace. Not much different from a contract developers signed before developing for iTunes Stores. Either way, Nexus is not for us retail buyers.

All the units you see on sale are leftovers from any developers who aren't interested to jump on ICS development right away. And when Samsung built all the units contracted with Google, that would be it.

If you want a proper working Android 4.0 handset, wait until May for Galaxy 3. That is what Samsung would like to sell more. Why put your back into promoting Google's line when you have your own to prop?

That is total complete and utter nonsense

The Nexus is NOT a developer handset, it is a full commercial product. You do not make a million developer handsets.

The Nexus One was Google's own attempt at alternative marketing and it failed miserably

The Nexus S was another alternative marketing ploy suggested by BestBuy Europe to Google and manufactured by Samsung using existing Galaxy S parts with only added NFC as Google wanted to get it to market as it was rumoured Apple were going to. It too, failed miserably.

The Galaxy Nexus is a joint Samsung/Google device intended as a high end with Samsung seeking to gain high profit margins on it from the Google association even though its production costs are probably the same as the SGS2. It is not selling well outside the US because people aren't being fooled

All this "reference handset" is crap dreamed up by Andy Rubin to brainwash Fandroids
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post #126 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

Tech is tech no matter how its used. Doesn't matter if it is in a phone, PC, pager or whatnot. If there's a patent on a specific i/o operation, there's not much disputing.

Apple dispute it and many technical experts commenting on it agree.
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post #127 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by Galeforce View Post

Apple dispute it and many technical experts commenting on it agree.

That's not actually saying anything. There's a lot of technical experts who will tell you that Android is no copy of iOS. Or that Android isn't violating Oracle IP. Or that Microsoft may not currently have any valid patents claims against Android.

There's a technical expert for every claim.

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post #128 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

That's not actually saying anything. There's a lot of technical experts who will tell you that Android is no copy of iOS.

Yeah, but they're referring to the good bits of iOS when they say that.

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post #129 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Like what?

Or are you just feeling random today?

1) Notification bar
2) Syncing settings to the "cloud"
3) Multitasking...(wait, Apple's not quite there yet)
4) Background app updates
5) Voice control
6) Social networking integration
7) OTA updates
8) WIFI syncing
9) Tabbed browsing (tablets)
10) Opening apps from the lock screen

"Great artists steal" ... and that's ok as long as it is only Apple doing the stealing, right?
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post #130 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by Galeforce View Post

Apple dispute it and many technical experts commenting on it agree.

Obviously that has convinced no one in authority yet now has it?
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post #131 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

Tech is tech no matter how its used. Doesn't matter if it is in a phone, PC, pager or whatnot. If there's a patent on a specific i/o operation, there's not much disputing.

I'm trying to work out if you're young, dumb, or just uneducated.

Or should I be making more than one choice...

Can you provide any further clues?

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post #132 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

1) Notification bar
2) Syncing settings to the "cloud"
3) Multitasking...(wait, Apple's not quite there yet)
4) Background app updates
5) Voice control
6) Social networking integration
7) OTA updates
8) WIFI syncing
9) Tabbed browsing (tablets)
10) Opening apps from the lock screen

"Great artists steal" ... and that's ok as long as it is only Apple doing the stealing, right?

LOL. You are silly.

So Google, by the same token, stole 'search' -- from which, it derives 96% of its revenue -- from Lycos and Dogpile?
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post #133 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

1) Notification bar
2) Syncing settings to the "cloud"
3) Multitasking...(wait, Apple's not quite there yet)
4) Background app updates
5) Voice control
6) Social networking integration
7) OTA updates
8) WIFI syncing
9) Tabbed browsing (tablets)
10) Opening apps from the lock screen

"Great artists steal" ... and that's ok as long as it is only Apple doing the stealing, right?

How do you steal from an 'open source' OS?

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post #134 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

1) Notification bar
2) Syncing settings to the "cloud"
3) Multitasking...(wait, Apple's not quite there yet)
4) Background app updates
5) Voice control
6) Social networking integration
7) OTA updates
8) WIFI syncing
9) Tabbed browsing (tablets)
10) Opening apps from the lock screen

Every single one of those predate any release of Android OS.

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"Great artists steal" ... and that's ok as long as it is only Apple doing the stealing, right?

I prefer the more accurate though less common "Douche bags use contextomy."

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post #135 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

LOL. You are silly.

So Google, by the same token, stole 'search' -- from which, it derives 96% of its revenue -- from Lycos and Dogpile?

Google also stole advertising as I can prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that ads existed before Google.

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post #136 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I prefer the more accurate though less common "Douche bags use contextomy."

Dude, don't make him go use the dictionary. That's cruel!

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post #137 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

3) Multitasking...(wait, Apple's not quite there yet)

I'd love an explanation, once and for all, how Android even has multitasking and how iOS somehow doesn't. Because I just don't get you guys' argument.

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5) Voice control

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That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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post #138 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Google also stole advertising as I can prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that ads existed before Google.

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post #139 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Every single one of those predate any release of Android OS.

Which doesn't mean they aren't innovative features does it? There's a lot of iOS features that existed well before Apple used them, but are still considered significant improvements over what existed before. Is that innovative?

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post #140 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

1) Notification bar
2) Syncing settings to the "cloud"
3) Multitasking...(wait, Apple's not quite there yet)
4) Background app updates
5) Voice control
6) Social networking integration
7) OTA updates
8) WIFI syncing
9) Tabbed browsing (tablets)
10) Opening apps from the lock screen

"Great artists steal" ... and that's ok as long as it is only Apple doing the stealing, right?

None of which were innovative when Google used them so they were stealing as well?
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post #141 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Galeforce View Post

None of which were innovative when Google used them so they were stealing as well?

Personally I think most of those as used in Android were innovative. Again, I think invention is being confused with innovation.

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post #142 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Which doesn't mean they aren't innovative features does it? There's a lot of iOS features that existed well before Apple used them, but are still considered significant improvements over what existed before and worthy of patenting. Is that innovative?

Sure, we've had this discussion before. Google has surely innovated search and ads on the internet but as the joking about that with anantksundaram eludes to the statements made my MicroNix are rubbish. The guy listed multitasking as an innovation. Come on!

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post #143 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I'd love an explanation, once and for all, how Android even has multitasking and how iOS somehow doesn't. Because I just don't get you guys' argument.



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Its the tired old argument that Android wasting CPU cycles and power keeping apps alive that are not doing anything is somehow cleverer than not doing do. They are living in desktop OS land and can't find their way out.


As for Voice Control.... dear me, they are deluded.
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post #144 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Google has no history of using patents offensively in the first place, ...

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... Florian is going to ignore anything detrimental to MS as much as possible. Anything not anti-Google? Probably still wasting your time at FOSSPatents. If it's Apple he's been known to flip-flop lately. Perhaps depending on how his "clients" would be affected? ...

This stuff is so funny coming from Gatorguy. Apparently the guy has no shame. In the past he's quoted "Florian" (nice how he's on a first name basis with him... when he wants to denigrate him, that is) when it supported his argument. Now, lately, when it's all bad news all the time for Google, he's taken to personal attacks on him, like the above questioning his integrity.

The funniest part of this is how Gatorguy gets all self-righteous and indignant about personal attacks when we point out that he's a paid shill, yet he's quick to attack "Florian" when there's no love for Google coming from that quarter. (Yhere can't be love for Google in this matter if you are being objective.) I personally wouldn't mind companies sending shills like Gatorguy here to post "their side of the story" if they were just honest about what they were doing. It's the dishonesty and hypocrisy that are offensive, and that they employ the dishonest and hypocritical to come here to deceive and propagandize.

It's also funny how he maintains this position that Google isn't in control of Moto's deranged lawsuits, when we all know that isn't true. Moto's recent suits and claims against Apple are nothing other than a war waged by Google using Moto as their proxy, a war they will both lose.
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post #145 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:56am
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Personally I think most of those as used in Android were innovative. Again, I think invention is being confused with innovation.

Invention and innovation cross over a great deal. I think colloquially we use invention to refer to the whole item while we use innovation to refer to a part of it even though one could say they invented a new kind of something.

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post #146 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:58am
A new low for Apple

I know i am in the minority hear, but when is Apple going to get past Steve's ego? These legal moves are only productive at stifling competition. I love Apple products but really starting to hate the anti-competitive and monopolistic world view
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post #147 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:58am
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Strange there are people who actually SUPPORT these lawsuit patents although they all work against consumers and developers.

Lawyers win in lawsuits. It is a sad stair of affairs.
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post #148 of 446
2/12/12 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Sure, we've had this discussion before. Google has surely innovated search and ads on the internet but as the joking about that with anantksundaram eludes to the statements made my MicroNix are rubbish. The guy listed multitasking as an innovation. Come on!

So you don't consider any of those in the list (some dating back to the very first Android API's) to be innovative features?

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post #149 of 446
2/12/12 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

Then they need to quit pidding around the outskirts and take the lawsuit directly to Google.


No point.
Google carefully set this up so they take no liability - no revenue from Android : nothing to claim in damages.
And before you throw up the "Nexus" card - the only Nexus phone Google sold was the Nexus One. The Nexus S was sold by BestBuy (with unsold units picked up by Vodafone) and the Galaxy Nexus is a Samsung product, Google take no revenue from sales
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post #150 of 446
2/12/12 at 8:05am
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So you don't consider any of those in the list (some dating back to the very first Android API's) to be innovative features?

No, because they wer bing used by others before Android.
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post #151 of 446
2/12/12 at 8:06am
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This stuff is so funny coming from Gatorguy. Apparently the guy has no shame...

The funniest part of this is how Gatorguy gets all self-righteous and indignant about personal attacks when we point out that he's a paid shill...

How do we know that he/she is a paid shill?

I only get to read his/her posts in the quotes responded to by others. \
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post #152 of 446
2/12/12 at 8:11am
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So you don't consider any of those in the list (some dating back to the very first Android API's) to be innovative features?

I'm sure Google has innovated lots of things in that list as there are many ways to skin a cat, as they say. Whether Google has created a specific innovation and whether Apple has copied that specific innovation instead of creating their own method, or vice versa, is not his point.

He made an argument that Apple stole from Google because he thinks Android came up with all those things first yet most of those have been directly in Mac OS or iOS long before Android and all existed before Android.

If you want to judge whether a feature was innovative you'll have to find a specific feature and describe how Android's version is innovative in comparison to others before it but you can't just pop out a feature and think you made a valid argument.

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post #153 of 446
2/12/12 at 8:14am
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How do we know that he/she is a paid shill?

I only get to read his/her posts in the quotes responded to by others. \

Dang, and I only get to see my shadow follower Anonymouse in quotes responded to by others. \

He's still the only one on my ignore list. Everyone else has contributions at least here and there that I wouldn't wanted to have missed.

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post #154 of 446
2/12/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

Apple is a newbie in the cell phone industry and doesn't have a leg to stand on against a company that invented what they use today. Nice try but Motorola is just welcoming them to their own party. Sucks when someone has been doing this for decades longer than you and actually has something of substance doesn't it?

Motorola invented a technology millions use today.

Apple took current technology, modded it, put a nice face on it, added an ecosystem around it and marketed it. They invented nothing that wasn't already possible. However, they took what was already there and made it functional. There's no other way to spin it. EVERYTHING the original iPhone did, was already something that could be done on another *existing* device. Palm and Microsoft paved their way.

Everything is possible but Apple did it first and patented it. Apple has the best and most desirable devices out there.

1. Motorola is crookedly going around the Qualcomm license agreement to try to get to Apple because Google wishes it.

2. Andy Rubin stole Apple technology as he worked under the supervision of the inventors at Apple and is trying to implement it in Android, not to mention the theft of Oracle's Java technology. This guy is a crook. Android *is* a stolen product.

Motorola is a liability that will hurt Google instead of helping it. Google will die out as well because they can no longer innovate. Google has lost its way and has resorted to stealing technology, so, FaceBook, Apple, Microsoft and others will eat Google's lunch and bring them down.

Time will tell.
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post #155 of 446
2/12/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

What if Samsung stops making the A4, A5 and A6? Wont this pretty much halt all Apple sales? this is getting out of hands.

Only if Samsung fancy getting an even bigger lawsuit for breach of contract and lost sales
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post #156 of 446
2/12/12 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

Just look at 50% - 80% of the "new" items in iOS 4 and iOS 5 and you'll see Google's innovations.

So even if I accept your premise, I do the math and find you openly admitting that iOS 4 and iOS 5 have from 50% to 20% more innovations. You really should think before you post. This is too easy.

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post #157 of 446
2/12/12 at 9:06am
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You really should think before you post. This is too easy.

Which is why so many of us pounced on him like a gazelle who trips in the Serengeti.

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post #158 of 446
2/12/12 at 9:07am
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I'm sure Google has innovated lots of things in that list as there are many ways to skin a cat, as they say. Whether Google has created a specific innovation and whether Apple has copied that specific innovation instead of creating their own method, or vice versa, is not his point.

He made an argument that Apple stole from Google because he thinks Android came up with all those things first yet most of those have been directly in Mac OS or iOS long before Android and all existed before Android.

If you want to judge whether a feature was innovative you'll have to find a specific feature and describe how Android's version is innovative in comparison to others before it but you can't just pop out a feature and think you made a valid argument.

I marvel at your (and that of some others here) ability to patiently counter the utter trash that the Androider trolls post here.

I think it's a complete waste of time.
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post #159 of 446
2/12/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by Red Oak View Post

Multi-touch is the clearest example to me of Android and Samsung stealing from Apple. I do not believe Apple has brought any lawsuit on this yet, outside of the swipe to open including in this compliant.

My understanding is Apple has a library of patents on it, some dating back 20 years. If so, this could be the next hammer that comes down. This would be the nuclear bomb, as Android would not be able to work around it.

Any insight from the board is appreciated

multi-touch itself is free to use by anyone...specific gestures are patented.
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post #160 of 446
2/12/12 at 9:17am
just a question to the Apple fans...

Can Apple even be wrong to you? Legally or ethically? It seems that from your perspectives they are always right, no matter what...
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