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Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

Do you really think Apple isn't the company that started this forest fire? The entire industry is in retaliation mode. ALL of these suits are reaching the pinnacle of absurdity.

Well, in the sense that Apple disrupted a practically ossified handset industry by entering it with the iPhone, then you would be right.

By revolutionizing the upper-end market (where the profits were), and carving out a huge part of it for themselves, Apple threw establishment into panic mode. Jpbs estimated that it would take five years for the industry to catch up, and that's what it has taken MS and Nokia, and RIM if they don't die first.

Only Android, by using Apple's patents illegally, was able to jump in quickly. You will notice that only Android phone makers have suffered under Apple's suits, so where it may look like a forest fire to you, it is a very selective burn.

And it's a very controlled burn too. Apple is burning back the Android competition about as fast as Apple is building up its own production.

If I were to guess, I would expect 2013 to see one huge market share for Apple and the rest of the market served by Nokia with WM8, Samsung's Bada, and maybe one more small player. MotoMo and RIM most likely gone from the Phone business, and Google will be shoveling money out the back door to Apple and Oracle.

The smoke will clear and the fires will no longer be set.
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We haven't started basing the opinion of an entire class of OS fans on the postings of just one have we?

Nah, not just one. But the data points are consistently racking up in favor of that hypothesis, and are beginning to scream out for a conclusion.
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You're only referring to the point about the success of Google search.... blah blah....

I wasn't.

Ugh. Go away.
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Who knows, maybe some Android tablet will eventually come out with some sort of Hi-Res screen too, I wouldn't be surprised by that, as they all follow in Apple's footsteps,

The big news for the Transformer family is a new version of the Prime with a high-density display. Yep, Asus has beaten Apple to the punch, at least publicly. The Transformer Prime TF700 features a 10" IPS panel with a 1920x1200 display resolution.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/22284
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I wasn't.

Ugh. Go away.

I'm starting to suspect that he's not a real doctor...
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I'm starting to suspect that he's not a real doctor...

Yeah. And what's up with this 'Doppio' thing - the only 'doppio' I've heard about is when baristas use it to refer to the double shot.

Hmmmm...... I am beginning to think that Samsung may have a bigger barista problem than Apple does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVkH9Hgvda4
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

The big news for the Transformer family is a new version of the Prime with a high-density display. Yep, Asus has beaten Apple to the punch, at least publicly. The Transformer Prime TF700 features a 10" IPS panel with a 1920x1200 display resolution.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/22284

Yea!!!!!

And, how many did they sell?
post #288 of 446
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Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

Do you really think Apple isn't the company that started this forest fire? The entire industry is in retaliation mode. ALL of these suits are reaching the pinnacle of absurdity.

I'll go along with saying Apple started the problem by inventing the iPhone--which revolutionized the mobile industry--and patenting it like crazy.

But an informed, rational person would say Goople started the real problem, by aiding infringement of Apple's intellectual property. Goople made the obvious determination that the iPhone would quickly lead "search" (and hence, ad revenue) into the mobile arena. Goople is desperate to achieve growth and stem any losses. Infringing on the intellectual property rights of others is an old habit with Goople, but Apple is more prepared and represents a more united front to Goople's assault than Goople has ever experienced before.

I say, tough sh!t
post #289 of 446
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I wasn't.

Ugh. Go away.

That seems to be your typical reply when you are unable to conduct an argument.

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I'm starting to suspect that he's not a real doctor...

You're wrong. Kindly mind your own business.

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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Yeah. And what's up with this 'Doppio' thing - the only 'doppio' I've heard about is when baristas use it to refer to the double shot.

...

Oh, what a shocker, I may not be using my real name when posting on discussion boards... I don't make fun of your screen name, so leave mine alone. But then again, what's to expect when you don't have any real arguments...
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

.... what's to expect when you don't have any real arguments...

I don't waste an iota of my time explaining the obvious to anyone. Least of all, Androiders.

If you can't see what the original point and counterpoint were, you can stew in it. Or not.
post #291 of 446
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Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

Do you really think Apple isn't the company that started this forest fire? The entire industry is in retaliation mode. ALL of these suits are reaching the pinnacle of absurdity.

The whole point to the patent system is that the issue of a patent confers certain rights. Consider the definition below. From what authority do you think it was sourced?

...a government authority to an individual or organization conferring a right or title, esp. the sole right to make, use, or sell some invention:

Apple is within its rights to defend its patents and to do so with vigour. This is business. However, Apple has claimed in court (as others are free to do) that the right to assert a patent individually and separately might under certain circumstances become exhausted. One circumstance is where a patent was pledged to a standards body for protection under FRAND terms. If this were not available, then tens of thousands of patents covering the minutiae of the functioning of every single modern (manufactured) system would either need to be defended or licensed individually, or more likely, be indefensible due to cost. In fact, the principal argument that I have with the patent system as it exists, is the usually prohibitive cost of their defence and the consequent loss of rights experienced by lesser parties. I wouldn't be at all surprised either, that many of the so-called patent trolls that are often criticised on A.I. are representing parties who simply could not afford to defend their intellectual property otherwise.

Apple suing to protect its IP is what is expected under the existing system of patents and proper.

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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

The big news for the Transformer family is a new version of the Prime with a high-density display. Yep, Asus has beaten Apple to the punch, at least publicly. The Transformer Prime TF700 features a 10" IPS panel with a 1920x1200 display resolution.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/22284

Well in the sense of parading a future product, yes. But, to quote from the same source:

"This latest addition to the Transformer family is set to become available midway through the second quarter of 2012."

When is the iPad3 expected?
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Just a so-so first post troll. We'll give you another week or so to get your act together but then we take the gloves off.

I'm sure he's terrified now!

BTW, as a former iPhone user and current Galaxy Nexus owner I can confirm from actual experience that the Galaxy Nexus is a FAR superior phone.
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BTW, as a former iPhone user and current Galaxy Nexus owner I can confirm from actual experience that the Galaxy Nexus is a FAR superior phone.

Yes, the time required to configure and coddle the GN is FAR superior to the iPhone, as are the software incompatibility problems, security and privacy risks, camera graininess, and battery death.
post #296 of 446
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Oh hey look it's a "reasonable" troll who only wants what's best for everyone. Yeah, that iPhone that came out of nowhere and completely changed the phone industry? Just better marketing, but hey! That's cool! My hat's off to them!

And iOS, which is now ushering an enormous sea-change for computing in general via the iPad, one that is toppling incumbents and shaking the industry to the core? Sort of out of steam, unfortunately, and just copying shit, at this point. But I wish it wasn't! On account of I like technology!

I mean obviously Google would have done all this stuff anyway, at some point, Apple just sort of blundered into the next big thing a little early, is all (and don't forget the marketing!), so honestly, how can they think to hang onto it for themselves? Bad form, Apple, hope you come to your senses!

It sure is unfortunate that all this cool shit keeps landing in the labs of those greedy slackers over at Apple. It would be much better if it started with say, Google! The people that brought you ways to extract ad money out of every internet transaction! Because they're much cooler.

I wasn't sure how to respond to his blatantly silly and trollish post, so decided not to. But you fucking nailed it. I love his 'Apple is out of steam, their products copy everyone, they only know how to market, can't compare to android, etc- but I wish it wasn't so, I like them, and am rooting for them to get it right!'. Pathetic. I wish people like him would just troll honestly, instead of making such an effort to pretend they're being objective, and are just so saddened to admit that Apple can't compete and is pretty much done for. But hey, he owns an iPod touch and Apple stock!
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

The big news for the Transformer family is a new version of the Prime with a high-density display. Yep, Asus has beaten Apple to the punch, at least publicly. The Transformer Prime TF700 features a 10" IPS panel with a 1920x1200 display resolution.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/22284

But unlike that tablet and others that will be satisfied with slapping such a screen on the device and calling it a day, Apple will no doubt be unveiling a whole host of software and possibly OS applications and enhancements that will instantly leverage and take full advantage of this increased resolution.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

Apple's really been getting busy on the legal front these past few days.

I fully support their offensive and it's time to step up the blitzkrieg and take no prisoners.

Really??? Because what we as consumer's really need is a market without competing products ... <sigh>

I used a Galaxy Nexus for a couple of weeks. It's a nice device. It's not remotely similar to my iPhone 4S ... Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) is not remotely similar to iOS. Between the OS and the device itself, it couldn't be more different. I don't get where Apple thinks they have any grounds for an injunction.

IMHO, Apple will never be granted this injunction and, as a shareholder, it infuriates me to see them wasting more money on lawsuits that are contradictory to the greater good. Apple should compete through innovation, not through underhanded litigation. This injunction hurts *everyone* except Apple.

I love Apple products, I'm a shareholder, but I must say, Apple's litigiousness is really starting to rub me the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by popnfresh View Post

BTW, as a former iPhone user and current Galaxy Nexus owner I can confirm from actual experience that the Galaxy Nexus is a FAR superior phone.

That really great to hear.

No, really!

Let's hope your superior experience continues after the next Android update.

You will be getting another Android update for that model, won't you?
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

Well, in the sense that Apple disrupted a practically ossified handset industry by entering it with the iPhone, then you would be right.

By revolutionizing the upper-end market (where the profits were), and carving out a huge part of it for themselves, Apple threw establishment into panic mode. Jpbs estimated that it would take five years for the industry to catch up, and that's what it has taken MS and Nokia, and RIM if they don't die first.

Only Android, by using Apple's patents illegally, was able to jump in quickly. You will notice that only Android phone makers have suffered under Apple's suits, so where it may look like a forest fire to you, it is a very selective burn.

And it's a very controlled burn too. Apple is burning back the Android competition about as fast as Apple is building up its own production.

If I were to guess, I would expect 2013 to see one huge market share for Apple and the rest of the market served by Nokia with WM8, Samsung's Bada, and maybe one more small player. MotoMo and RIM most likely gone from the Phone business, and Google will be shoveling money out the back door to Apple and Oracle.

The smoke will clear and the fires will no longer be set.

well you totally missed the point. Much of the Apple IP is a sham. If Apple did anything right, it was filing trivial (likely to be invalidated in due time) patents and jumping into the lawsuit business early. You Apple guys having been declaring Android doom for years now while the platform's momentum has continued regardless. I don't buy the stolen OS droning, whilst understanding that much of Apple's IP was stolen from other companies in the first place. If i were to guess, Android will continue to thrive and companies will continue to sue each other.
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I'm sure he's terrified now!

BTW, as a former iPhone user and current Galaxy Nexus owner I can confirm from actual experience that the Galaxy Nexus is a FAR superior phone.

Thanks for that 'confirmation', we can all sleep easy now. FYI I also own both phones, and you're kind of full of it. They're different and both have their good and bad points, and appeal to different people depending on their priorities. To say the NG is 'FAR superior' is just completely idiocy and lack of any type of objectivity. Off the top of my head, 5 areas it is VASTLY inferior in is the camera (garbage, and compares to the 4S just embarrassing), GPU (much less powerful), build quality (not even close). I can also mention the screen, although it is massive and higher resolution, is much lower quality to my eyes in turns of color balance, viewing angles, saturation, light bleed, etc. Last, the battery life doesn't compare in my experience. I didn't even mention performance, in which stuttering is not uncommon, even while scrolling simple lists- inexcusable for such high end hardware. And we're not even getting into the app situation, which most would agree is vastly superior on an iOS device and will be the deciding factor for most people, and the fact that the phone is physically too large for many.

Who does the NG appeal to? Those who want a massive phone, are neck-deep in the google ecosystem, have the need to customize/root/hack, and for some reason hate iOS.

But hey, thanks for that 'confirmation'.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Which mistakes have you admitted to? I don't remember a single one.

In all your time here since Jan 2012, right?
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Really??? Because what we as consumer's really need is a market without competing products ... <sigh>

I used a Galaxy Nexus for a couple of weeks. It's a nice device. It's not remotely similar to my iPhone 4S ... Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) is not remotely similar to iOS. Between the OS and the device itself, it couldn't be more different. I don't get where Apple thinks they have any grounds for an injunction.

IMHO, Apple will never be granted this injunction and, as a shareholder, it infuriates me to see them wasting more money on lawsuits that are contradictory to the greater good. Apple should compete through innovation, not through underhanded litigation. This injunction hurts *everyone* except Apple.

I love Apple products, I'm a shareholder, but I must say, Apple's litigiousness is really starting to rub me the wrong way.

It doesnt matter if you like Apple's stuff. Around here there is no dissonance allowed by questioning the company's ethics.
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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

Well in the sense of parading a future product, yes. But, to quote from the same source:

"This latest addition to the Transformer family is set to become available midway through the second quarter of 2012."

When is the iPad3 expected?

It is currently on sale.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new
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But unlike that tablet and others that will be satisfied with slapping such a screen on the device and calling it a day, Apple will no doubt be unveiling a whole host of software and possibly OS applications and enhancements that will instantly leverage and take full advantage of this increased resolution.

AFAIK, Asus is not a software house.

The other good thing about the Prime is the quad-core (five, actually) chip which gives it longer battery life/greater power depending on the task.

One of the best things about Apple is their integrated approach. My guess is that you are correct, and that they will have eye-popping graphics to go along with their display.

IMO, a high-rez display will make the new iPad MUCH more desirable than the current offerings.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Global Thermonuclear War always has exactly one winner.

Obviously Apple wins. They are the most innovative after all and protected by intellectual property that is lightyears ahead offering 100% thermonuclear protection
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Yea!!!!!

And, how many did they sell?

I think you missed the point of the exchange.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

It is currently on sale.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

That's the original. The higher resolution one is not, no.
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But unlike that tablet and others that will be satisfied with slapping such a screen on the device and calling it a day, Apple will no doubt be unveiling a whole host of software and possibly OS applications and enhancements that will instantly leverage and take full advantage of this increased resolution.

If by enhancements you mean the removal of suffering from reading low res text, then yes i'd agree. Photo editing would be markedly better but I doubt I'll be in any rush to do so when i have a desktop to do it properly.

I look forward to using my unknown-next-gen-high-res-tablet for reading and monitor extension
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It is currently on sale.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

So it is. Strange that the article you linked to, dated two days ago, stated otherwise. It's Amazon review ratings seem poor compared to the iPad2 ratings, but maybe as the bugs get ironed out they will improve.

EDIT: thataveragejoe appears to be correct - on closer inspection that is the old one.
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It is currently on sale.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

That's not the latest one though. Plus, even if ASUS would start selling it before the rumored iPad 3, the Transformer only had a 1920x1200 screen as shown at CES, while the iPad 3 sports a 2046x1536 screen as repeatedly speculated on rumor sites, so ASUS fail. No one will buy their low-res crap.
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That really great to hear.

No, really!

Let's hope your superior experience continues after the next Android update.

You will be getting another Android update for that model, won't you?

Of course they will. The one after Apple forces them to remove several features. I wonder how they'll word the update when they tell users certain features have been "disabled".

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You Apple guys having been declaring Android doom for years now while the platform's momentum has continued regardless. I don't buy the stolen OS droning, whilst understanding that much of Apple's IP was stolen from other companies in the first place. If i were to guess, Android will continue to thrive and companies will continue to sue each other.

Funny, I don't remember many Apple fans talking about the demise of Android. I have, however, heard countless Android fans always talking about the number of Android devices activated per day and how Android growth will soon result in the death of the "closed" iOS. Or the next iPad killer that'll knock the iPad out of the market. In fact, I've been hearing these for years. After the Galaxy Tab, ASUS Transformer, Playbook, TouchPad, Transformer Prime.....which one is next?

Which Apple IP was stolen from other companies? I'd really like to see your "list" of said thefts. And where are the lawsuits from these companies? If Apple has stolen as much as you imply then there must be someone out there, after seeing Apple's huge profits, that figures they should get a piece of the pie. Or at least a few quick $$$ from Apple to have them "go away".

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That is total complete and utter nonsense

The Nexus is NOT a developer handset, it is a full commercial product. You do not make a million developer handsets.

The Nexus One was Google's own attempt at alternative marketing and it failed miserably

The Nexus S was another alternative marketing ploy suggested by BestBuy Europe to Google and manufactured by Samsung using existing Galaxy S parts with only added NFC as Google wanted to get it to market as it was rumoured Apple were going to. It too, failed miserably.

The Galaxy Nexus is a joint Samsung/Google device intended as a high end with Samsung seeking to gain high profit margins on it from the Google association even though its production costs are probably the same as the SGS2. It is not selling well outside the US because people aren't being fooled

All this "reference handset" is crap dreamed up by Andy Rubin to brainwash Fandroids

Its strange so many people don't bother concealing their biasness around here. That aside the nexus is not a developer handset but rather marketed as an alternative for people who do not want to be boiled down with the manufacturer's customizations. In any case it was a valid marketing strategy and they didn't cheat or shortchange anyone for that matter.

Also over here in Singapore the galaxy nexus ran out of stock the day our telcos rolled it out. I guess everyone is entitled to their own preferences and no one is a fool.
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

You tap the power button to light up the screen, there's an image that you place your finger on and slide over a padlock to unlock the phone.

That's one of the patents under contention.

Then there's the other three involved in this suit.

That sliding to a padlock might just make it different enough. It sometimes takes a slight lil tweak for a judge to rule that there's no infringement.
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Kindly mind your own business.

I suggest if you do not want people "in your business" you refrain from posting on publicly accessible forums.
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

That's not the latest one though. Plus, even if ASUS would start selling it before the rumored iPad 3, the Transformer only had a 1920x1200 screen as shown at CES, while the iPad 3 sports a 2046x1536 screen as repeatedly speculated on rumor sites, so ASUS fail. No one will buy their low-res crap.

WUXGA is hardly low res crap. You're mainly talking the difference between 16:10 and 4:3
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

The big news for the Transformer family is a new version of the Prime with a high-density display. Yep, Asus has beaten Apple to the punch, at least publicly. The Transformer Prime TF700 features a 10" IPS panel with a 1920x1200 display resolution.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/22284

Here we go again.

Android reigns supreme with the future release of a tablet that has just one supposedly better feature.

Haven't we been through all of this with the Xoom, the Touchpad, and the Tab?

Why don't we wait for a few reviews and see how many they sell before we accuse anybody of beating anybody 'to the punch'.

Hell, why don't we wait until we all actually see one.
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318 posts for this thread so far.

Impressive!

Okay, we're all going to use the buddy system here.

Can everybody form up, check your buddy, confirm that he's been insulted at some point during the thread, then we can all move on to the next one...
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WUXGA is hardly low res crap. You're mainly talking the difference between 16:10 and 4:3

It will be quite a large difference, I believe, some 136% more pixels [2048x1535 vs 1920x1200]:

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new...llofpixels.png
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Name me which OS was syncing settings to a cloud before Android.

I think it's amazing how the Fandroids can praise Android to high heavens - but apparently can't use Google Search.

You've gotten the wrong dates. Here's the history:

Apple's first attempt was iTools - released in 2000. (Note: I'm not claiming that this is the first time that any OS sync'd to the cloud. IIRC, there were third party solutions before that).

Dot Mac replaced iTools in 2002

Mobile Me replaced dot Mac in 2008

And iCloud replaced Mobile Me in 2011.

So iTools was at least 8 years ahead of Android - and long before Android even existed.

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Seems mostly that we stand on a fine line between "rewarding innovation" and "strong arming your competition with a broken patent system and astronomical financial resources". You're just looking in the direction that favors Apple. And it's ALL about Steve's ego. He instilled it into his business and it lives on in full force, ready to go "thermonuclear." Apple needs to stop wasting resources fighting a stupid battle and get on with what they do best-- creating new and improved products and services.

And you've obviously never had any intellectual property worth defending.

Apple has billions of dollars invested in their IP and has every right to defend it. And their court victories indicate that their defense is justified. They haven't won every battle, but it would be surprising if they did. But they've won enough that the courts clearly think that their arguments are at least plausible.

Your final sentence is absurd. How much damage would it do to Apple's business if they simply let people copy everything they did without making an effort to stop them? They would undoubtedly lose many billions of dollars of business. Not only would it be foolish not to attempt to protect their property, but it would probably be a violation of their fiduciary responsibilities.
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