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Ok first of all it is no secret that I tend to lean more at Google. I personally own a Galaxy Nexus as my daily phone and a Galaxy Tab 10.1 for my tablet. But I also own a iPod touch 4g and own a decent amount of stock in Apple and Google.
I am also a real true to the core tech buff. I love technology in general. I want to see companies come out with new and great things. I would LOVE to see Apple go head to head with the best Google comes up with (Right now, ICS on the Nexus) and let the best phone win. The Nexus is NOTHING like any Apple product. It does not look like, feel like, nor work in anyway shape or form like iOS. There is no way you can confuse it. I want to see Apple do something new and different. However at this point, I think they are out of steam. Look at the launch of the past couple iOS's. Almost every feature has been a direct copy of its competitor. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that is a bad thing. You can take someone else's idea and improve on it. That is how we move ahead in the world. Apple did not come up with the touch screen smart phone. They took someone else's idea and improved it. Came up with better marketing which was better for everyone. Now they have this idea that they are the only ones that should have it now.
I would LOVE to see Apple to come out with something great and push innovation farther. That is win win for everyone. However the trend they are doing is looking like that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I hope for my stock sake, and my thirst for tech, they do.

As for the people here blindly saying go Apple without actually looking at both the merits of the case, as well as look at the competing phone, I would urge you to head to your local Verizon store and at least check it out. If you can honestly say it looks or acts anything like an iPhone from an objective point of view....then you win.

Oh hey look it's a "reasonable" troll who only wants what's best for everyone. Yeah, that iPhone that came out of nowhere and completely changed the phone industry? Just better marketing, but hey! That's cool! My hat's off to them!

And iOS, which is now ushering an enormous sea-change for computing in general via the iPad, one that is toppling incumbents and shaking the industry to the core? Sort of out of steam, unfortunately, and just copying shit, at this point. But I wish it wasn't! On account of I like technology!

I mean obviously Google would have done all this stuff anyway, at some point, Apple just sort of blundered into the next big thing a little early, is all (and don't forget the marketing!), so honestly, how can they think to hang onto it for themselves? Bad form, Apple, hope you come to your senses!

It sure is unfortunate that all this cool shit keeps landing in the labs of those greedy slackers over at Apple. It would be much better if it started with say, Google! The people that brought you ways to extract ad money out of every internet transaction! Because they're much cooler.
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Yes I heard rumors it was TSMC missing specs. But we don't know for sure. It could have just been Samsung under bid TSMC. Sure short term Apple would be hurt but like I said, Apple takes a chunk of their 100 billion and invests it into factories for TSMC or whoever and it's business as usual. What people fail to understand is Apple has locked down contracts with All of their suppliers. Samsung would probably have to pay a massive penalty for missing any "quota" due to "manufacturing difficulties" or whatever they call the reason for not supplying Apple their parts. If Samsung were to refuse any future contracts with Apple once again Apple would be hurt short term but guaranteed they would find another manufacturer and it would quickly be business as usual again. ANY company can make the chips for Apple. Apple owns the design. My opinion is Apple goes with Samsung because like you said, Samsung is the most reliable manufacturer in the business. Samsung is the most cost efficient manufacturer in the business. But make no mistake. They are NOT the ONLY manufacturer in the business. Push comes to shove, Apple spends the money and builds factories capable of duplicating Samsungs reliability. I agree with you tho, Samsung isn't going to do anything drastic.


Apple recently passed Sony as Samsung's biggest customer so I doubt Samsung will do any funny business with the supplies. And the fact is Apple has been depending on Samsung cpu's ever since the birth of the iphone, and Apple is not eager to make a change either.

And you make it sound like Apple can cure cancer with it's 100 billion lol.

Samsung, for their part, is investing $41.4 billion in 2012.
They invested $34 billion in 2011. And so on.

Quality does not just appear from out of the air.

You sound like a poor guy who just won the lottery beating his chest.
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Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post

Apple did not come up with the touch screen smart phone. They took someone else's idea and improved it. Came up with better marketing which was better for everyone. Now they have this idea that they are the only ones that should have it now.
I would LOVE to see Apple to come out with something great and push innovation farther. That is win win for everyone. However the trend they are doing is looking like that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I hope for my stock sake, and my thirst for tech, they do.

Yeah. It was Apple's superior marketing that really pushed the iPhone. All those other awesome touch screen phones back in 2007 were just waiting for a good commercial to really take off.

And you're right about Apple's stock too. Your portfolio must have really been taking a beating in the last few years on that one. You better sell quick before it goes any lower.

Your two points here are enough to tell you're full of shit.
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Originally Posted by orthorim View Post

That's the really weird part about this - can't Apple find anyone else to make these chips?

Sure there are water-tight legal agreements and contracts in place. But ... eventually... Samsung is going to strike back where it hurts.

You have to understand that the Samsung that makes the components is a far different part of the company that makes the phones, just like there are far different parts of Samsung that makes refrigerators. Each is a profit center, run by different management.

Think of it this way, RJR makes cigarettes and Kraft makes cheese. They are all part of one company, and yet totally separate accounting entities. If the federal government cracks down on RJR, you can bet that there will still be Kraft cheese available in the Senate dining room.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

IGoogle has no history because Google has no history. As Google acquires more patents they will get offensive, especially if their patents are worth protecting.

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Google has no history of using patents offensively in the first place, unlike Apple or MS, so I don't personally think they'd sue Apple first anyway. Perhaps that's why we haven't seen a direct suit against Google from one of those two.

To be clear I don't see any issue with striking the first blow as Apple has been doing, and think it's naive and starry-eyed for Google to think that they should be the "nice guy", different from Microsoft, Apple or any other big tech player.

At some point they'll strike back and then everyone will start the accusations of Google saying one thing about unfair patent practices but climbing right in with their own attacks.

Apparently you two haven't heard of Google's proxy (MotoMo) suing Apple in Germany for 2.25% of the retail price of an iPhone or iPad. Read up on it, it's all over the news.
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Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post

Ok first of all it is no secret that I tend to lean more at Google. I personally own a Galaxy Nexus as my daily phone and a Galaxy Tab 10.1 for my tablet. But I also own a iPod touch 4g and own a decent amount of stock in Apple and Google.
I am also a real true to the core tech buff. I love technology in general. I want to see companies come out with new and great things. I would LOVE to see Apple go head to head with the best Google comes up with (Right now, ICS on the Nexus) and let the best phone win. The Nexus is NOTHING like any Apple product. It does not look like, feel like, nor work in anyway shape or form like iOS. There is no way you can confuse it. I want to see Apple do something new and different. However at this point, I think they are out of steam. Look at the launch of the past couple iOS's. Almost every feature has been a direct copy of its competitor. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that is a bad thing. You can take someone else's idea and improve on it. That is how we move ahead in the world. Apple did not come up with the touch screen smart phone. They took someone else's idea and improved it. Came up with better marketing which was better for everyone. Now they have this idea that they are the only ones that should have it now.
I would LOVE to see Apple to come out with something great and push innovation farther. That is win win for everyone. However the trend they are doing is looking like that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I hope for my stock sake, and my thirst for tech, they do.

As for the people here blindly saying go Apple without actually looking at both the merits of the case, as well as look at the competing phone, I would urge you to head to your local Verizon store and at least check it out. If you can honestly say it looks or acts anything like an iPhone from an objective point of view....then you win.

What part of the patents suggested that the nexus has to look or feel like the iphone in order to be infringing on 4 specific patents quoted in the article??

Plus anyone who suggests that Apple completely innovating and disrupting the heck out of the mobile phone market was down to good marketing presumably has a screw loose... Please!! I mean, sure they market well, but there are numerous examples in the last 10 years alone that show that marketing can't cover crap.... Seriously, I can't believe people still try and say that. You can't have sales that Apple has just becoz of marketing. Please be honest and admit that Apple's fine attention to every little detail and overall user experience is the real reason why the iphone dominates. Not to me now... later on in the mirror.

Saying that you "thirst for tech" and that you're a "real true to the core tech buff" too, suggests that you probably don't get Apple's core thoughts when it comes to their products.

And suggesting that Apple isn't going to innovate anytime soon??? Hahaha I can't do anything but laugh at that. There are indeed blind people here... but they're not the ones you think...
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Apple doesn't seem to know how to innovate anymore and has to sue it's competition because they are far more advanced than they are.

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And you just proved to be a smug jackass

Sorry, but your first post deserved that and more...

If it wasn't so obvious trolling you might have had some elevated moral ground from which to make your second post but it was trolling so you didn't. Consequently it just looks weird for you to be upset at his reply....
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Originally Posted by Ratero View Post

A Foxconn factory worker has a better chance of getting paid $10 an hour or getting to take a vacation than Apple has at getting the Galaxy Nexus banned.

A Samsung factory worker has four times the chance of committing suicide than a Foxconn factory worker.

Based on South Korea having a 31.2 in 100,000 suicide rate the second highest on earth and Foxconn having a 7 in 100,000 rate.

So care to fill us in on conditions in the factory where the Nexus is made?

You seem to be the expert in your own living room.
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An injunction against the Android 4.0 flagship would be a major blow to Google. I wonder when the vendors HTC and Samsung decide to call it quits and switch to another OS.

Doesn't look like Larry Page is a good chess player.

I think HTC are ready to make a switch anyway. Samsung have a lot more to lose on this.

I think Schmidt is the kind of guy who will tip up the chess board. Page only plays checkers
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Wow some of these replies are old.

Very intellectual and thought out I might add.

I will not dispute that Apple change the smartphone industry back in 2007. What they did was amazing. They created a wonderful product. So did Henry Ford back when he created the Model T.
My argument is what have they done lately? Seriously what great innovations have come out? Name me one thing in iOS 5 that was great (besides destroying my battery life in my iPod). I WANT them to innovate again. I WANT them to come up with something great. I am not looking to feed the trolls here but seriously, try to understand what I am saying. I am NOT ripping into Apple nor looking to start a pissing match. I am asking a legitimate question.

For those that asked what did the Nexus do? Well lets look at the Nexus line. (Starting with the Nexus S 4g, the previous model). They introduced NFC into the market. They introduced a true HD display. Android, introduced the notification system that has become the industry standard (now being used in iOS5). Android introduced front facing cameras (they did it before Apple did by 3 months). The list goes on and on.

Now in related to what this article is about the patents in question, they will be thrown out. All those patents where used in the industry before Apple filed for them. A first year law student can get that thrown out. All this is, is posturing for the public because Apple has been losing their cases left and right. The ones they are winning are very small and easy work a rounds.

The point is, what works best for everyone is TRUE competition. All this posturing and pissing matches is good for no one. If you are in the Apple camp, or Android camp, each one benefits from the other. I would say the same in a Android forum that is ripping into Apple. Respecting the competitor rather than trying to go "thermonuclear" on them is win win in the long run. If Apple was the only phone on the market, do you really think you would have something like Siri? Do you really think their would be a front facing camera? Or a drive to make things faster and smoother? What is the incentive into dumping millions into R&D when there is no one to beat? If that was the case, we would still be driving around Model T's to the store.

I just don't understand why people in both camps cannot see that. We are humans with the inherent design of freedom of choice. I do not look down for others to chose one product over another. What I will fight for is the ability to have a choice, and not be forced into one.
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A Samsung factory worker has four times the chance of committing suicide than a Foxconn factory worker.

Based on South Korea having a 31.2 in 100,000 suicide rate the second highest on earth and Foxconn having a 7 in 100,000 rate.

So care to fill us in on conditions in the factory where the Nexus is made?

You seem to be the expert in your own living room.

You know they are both made at Foxconn right??

Hell I believe that both camps both Apple and Android should at least band together in that aspect.
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A Samsung factory worker has four times the chance of committing suicide than a Foxconn factory worker.

Based on South Korea having a 31.2 in 100,000 suicide rate the second highest on earth and Foxconn having a 7 in 100,000 rate.

So care to fill us in on conditions in the factory where the Nexus is made?

You seem to be the expert in your own living room.

Actually they're third behind Belgium and Lithuania, the chart in wiki is not updated.

And the rate in China is 22.2 in 100,000 so your comparison is a bit skewed.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

Apparently you two haven't heard of Google's proxy (MotoMo) suing Apple in Germany for 2.25% of the retail price of an iPhone or iPad. Read up on it, it's all over the news.

By the way, I'm sending in a contractor to change the color of your kitchen to pink and rip out that pantry wall while we wait to see if the bank approves the loan to buy your house as we agreed on. That's OK with you isn't it? Oh, I forgot to mention: I told your neighbor you're suing him about that tree in case he says anything. Kinda had to use your name since, you know. . you kinda still own the house
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Apple needs to sue Google directly and not to mention Andy Rubin personnaly for stealing their technology.

Motorola is crooked at its core for trying this crap. Fortunately it's a worthless dying company.

I hope Apple drills them new A-Holes before they die.
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Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post

The Nexus is NOTHING like any Apple product. It does not look like, feel like, nor work in anyway shape or form like iOS.

You tap the power button to light up the screen, there's an image that you place your finger on and slide over a padlock to unlock the phone.

That's one of the patents under contention.

Then there's the other three involved in this suit.
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OMG. .

Just noticed Florian Mueller has a name for this set of four patents. . .
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

I had no idea he was a man of religion. Ya gotta love him
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Wow some of these replies are old.
blah blah blah

So how's that Bluetooth 4.0 working out on the Nexus?

You picking up GLONASS to make the GPS more accurate?

How's that working for ya?

I guess you'll have to wait for the catch up unless you get an iPhone 4S

Nokia had NFC first.
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post #98 of 446
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Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post

Wow some of these replies are old.

Very intellectual and thought out I might add.

I will not dispute that Apple change the smartphone industry back in 2007. What they did was amazing. They created a wonderful product. So did Henry Ford back when he created the Model T.
My argument is what have they done lately? Seriously what great innovations have come out? Name me one thing in iOS 5 that was great (besides destroying my battery life in my iPod). I WANT them to innovate again. I WANT them to come up with something great. I am not looking to feed the trolls here but seriously, try to understand what I am saying. I am NOT ripping into Apple nor looking to start a pissing match. I am asking a legitimate question.

For those that asked what did the Nexus do? Well lets look at the Nexus line. (Starting with the Nexus S 4g, the previous model). They introduced NFC into the market. They introduced a true HD display. Android, introduced the notification system that has become the industry standard (now being used in iOS5). Android introduced front facing cameras (they did it before Apple did by 3 months). The list goes on and on.

Now in related to what this article is about the patents in question, they will be thrown out. All those patents where used in the industry before Apple filed for them. A first year law student can get that thrown out. All this is, is posturing for the public because Apple has been losing their cases left and right. The ones they are winning are very small and easy work a rounds.

The point is, what works best for everyone is TRUE competition. All this posturing and pissing matches is good for no one. If you are in the Apple camp, or Android camp, each one benefits from the other. I would say the same in a Android forum that is ripping into Apple. Respecting the competitor rather than trying to go "thermonuclear" on them is win win in the long run. If Apple was the only phone on the market, do you really think you would have something like Siri? Do you really think their would be a front facing camera? Or a drive to make things faster and smoother? What is the incentive into dumping millions into R&D when there is no one to beat? If that was the case, we would still be driving around Model T's to the store.

I just don't understand why people in both camps cannot see that. We are humans with the inherent design of freedom of choice. I do not look down for others to chose one product over another. What I will fight for is the ability to have a choice, and not be forced into one.

And what has Google "innovated"? From what I have seen, very very little.

You are almost pedantic. A "True HD Display" but Retina display was what? Garbage?

WebOS introduced the notification system both Android and iOS enjoy.

NFC? Still is not accepted except at about 0.001% of places and has already been fully hacked to suck your account dry.

Front facing cameras? Symbian and WinMo beat Android by over a year. Apple was the first to complete the system.

"Now in related to what this article is about the patents in question, they will be thrown out. All those patents where used in the industry before Apple filed for them. "

Then why have no first year law students succeeded? ADC were absolutely not in use in the industry when Apple came out with them. Learn some history before commenting. The fact ADC has already been held up and is not in any HTC phones is proof that your comment is all wet.
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So how's that Bluetooth 4.0 working out on the Nexus?

You picking up GLONASS to make the GPS more accurate?

How's that working for ya?

I guess you'll have to wait for the catch up unless you get an iPhone 4S

I thought you had an iPod touch 4 that you mentioned in your earlier post, so what happened you have a sudden urge to get an iPad in the last couple of hours?

This is an honest question question by the way: What's the current benefit of Bluetooth 4.0 on the 4S, and how are the offerings that take advantage of it? Accessory guys getting in the game pretty quickly?

EDIT: Doing some reading and it's not clear if the 4S actually uses GLOSNASS in positioning, or it's simply supported via the Qualcomm chip it's using. Most of the sources I find that will make a claim at all are saying it's just supported and not necessarily used. Do you have a definitive link either way?
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Actually they're third behind Belgium and Lithuania, the chart in wiki is not updated.

And the rate in China is 22.2 in 100,000 so your comparison is a bit skewed.

The rate at Foxconn is lower than China.
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And what has Google "innovated"?

Google TV.
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This is an honest question question by the way: What's the current benefit of Bluetooth 4.0 on the 4S, and how are the offerings that take advantage of it? Accessory guys getting in the game pretty quickly?

Lower power consumption as Motorola would probably agree, they've used it in the Droid Razr.

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Wow some of these replies are old.

Very intellectual and thought out I might add.

I will not dispute that Apple change the smartphone industry back in 2007. What they did was amazing. They created a wonderful product. So did Henry Ford back when he created the Model T.
My argument is what have they done lately? Seriously what great innovations have come out? Name me one thing in iOS 5 that was great (besides destroying my battery life in my iPod). I WANT them to innovate again. I WANT them to come up with something great. I am not looking to feed the trolls here but seriously, try to understand what I am saying. I am NOT ripping into Apple nor looking to start a pissing match. I am asking a legitimate question.

For those that asked what did the Nexus do? Well lets look at the Nexus line. (Starting with the Nexus S 4g, the previous model). They introduced NFC into the market. They introduced a true HD display. Android, introduced the notification system that has become the industry standard (now being used in iOS5). Android introduced front facing cameras (they did it before Apple did by 3 months). The list goes on and on.

Now in related to what this article is about the patents in question, they will be thrown out. All those patents where used in the industry before Apple filed for them. A first year law student can get that thrown out. All this is, is posturing for the public because Apple has been losing their cases left and right. The ones they are winning are very small and easy work a rounds.

The point is, what works best for everyone is TRUE competition. All this posturing and pissing matches is good for no one. If you are in the Apple camp, or Android camp, each one benefits from the other. I would say the same in a Android forum that is ripping into Apple. Respecting the competitor rather than trying to go "thermonuclear" on them is win win in the long run. If Apple was the only phone on the market, do you really think you would have something like Siri? Do you really think their would be a front facing camera? Or a drive to make things faster and smoother? What is the incentive into dumping millions into R&D when there is no one to beat? If that was the case, we would still be driving around Model T's to the store.

I just don't understand why people in both camps cannot see that. We are humans with the inherent design of freedom of choice. I do not look down for others to chose one product over another. What I will fight for is the ability to have a choice, and not be forced into one.

You may be confusing the word 'innovation' with 'being first' (which also seems to get confused a lot with 'being the best').

Siri would be the latest 'innovation' that you are referring to with iOS5 but, obviously, only if you purchased an iPhone 4S.

Owning just an iPod, I can understand your point of view, but I have an iPhone 4S, an iPad, a MacBook Air, and, quite frankly, for the last nine months it's seemed like one big, long Christmas.

Apple wasn't the first with the introduction of any of these devices, but they did do them 'the best' at a point afterwards. The same will most probably occur with NFC, LTE, Cloud features, etc...

Do I think that Apple would still be innovating if they were the only smartphone in the market? You better believe it. Because that's what Apple does, and if you want proof, look at their history. And if you'd like further proof, watch what happens in the tablet market. Great products and 'making a dent in the universe' come first. The same cannot be said for most revenue-driven companies.

Notification system and a front facing camera are great, but let's remember it wasn't Google that changed the desktop, laptop, mp3 player, music, phone, tablet, and retail industries. And this list doesn't include the smaller things like format adoptions, etc...

The whole thermonuclear thing has got nothing to do with competition or lack thereof. Android is a stolen OS, and I fully understand their attitude toward it. I wish them the best of luck in their endeavors there.

I've been a PC user for over fifteen years. I worked in the industry for over ten of those. Take my advice when I say that nobody will ever comprehend why Apple products generate the passion that they do until you've either used or owned one long enough to truly understand it. They are far more than the sum of their parts.

P. S. Congratulations on finally getting Chrome on Android! Here's to many more future innovations!
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What if Samsung stops making the A4, A5 and A6? Wont this pretty much halt all Apple sales? this is getting out of hands.

Not sure if serious.

Let me elaborate. Sure Samsung fabs the SoCs for Apple but pretty much anyone can do so, this is number one. Number two is, there is a lot of SoCs in the market. Apple can very well switch to a 3rd party vendor, even temporarily, if Samsung stops fabricating the SoCs. Last but not least Samsung will never do so.

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They introduced a true HD display. Android, introduced the notification system that has become the industry standard (now being used in iOS5). Android introduced front facing cameras (they did it before Apple did by 3 months). The list goes on and on.

Now in related to what this article is about the patents in question, they will be thrown out. All those patents where used in the industry before Apple filed for them. A first year law student can get that thrown out. All this is, is posturing for the public because Apple has been losing their cases left and right. The ones they are winning are very small and easy work a rounds.

Em.... All Those tings have been on other platforms for some time now....

-Retina display iPhone was the first touchphone. But other manufacturers have had big dpi displays within 10 years... How does it matter what resolution you have if you scale 720p video on a retina display. No one can see a difference so what's the difference??? You need another argument!
-don't start about those notification systems. Windows mobile had these 10 years ago!
-android shure didn't introduce any front facing cameras!!! Where did you get that from??? Are you new to smartphones???

There is nothing original about android except the google spyware part to know what to market to you and by what price!
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Lower power consumption as Motorola would probably agree, they've used it in the Droid Razr.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUmOXxlnjf0

http://youtu.be/Sf08o_j68XA

I knew about the lower power requirements. I was more curious if accessories that take advantage of Bluetooth 4.0 are getting attention.

On the GLONASS question, I do see that Russia reportedly plans a 25% import duty on smartphones that don't support GLONASS, tho they stop short of the requirement to actually use it I guess. Thanks for both links.
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post #107 of 446
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Oh hey look it's a "reasonable" troll who only wants what's best for everyone. Yeah, that iPhone that came out of nowhere and completely changed the phone industry? Just better marketing, but hey! That's cool! My hat's off to them!

And iOS, which is now ushering an enormous sea-change for computing in general via the iPad, one that is toppling incumbents and shaking the industry to the core? Sort of out of steam, unfortunately, and just copying shit, at this point. But I wish it wasn't! On account of I like technology!

I mean obviously Google would have done all this stuff anyway, at some point, Apple just sort of blundered into the next big thing a little early, is all (and don't forget the marketing!), so honestly, how can they think to hang onto it for themselves? Bad form, Apple, hope you come to your senses!

It sure is unfortunate that all this cool shit keeps landing in the labs of those greedy slackers over at Apple. It would be much better if it started with say, Google! The people that brought you ways to extract ad money out of every internet transaction! Because they're much cooler.

Missed you, adda. How are you? My response to this troll is somewhat different, but I should state I agree with your completely.

First, while I agree with Apples that Google/Samsung have "slavishly copied" the look and feel of the iPhone and iPad, this really isn't about that. This is about specific patent litigation. We'll see what the courts say, but many of these patents seem cut and dried.

Secondly, Samsung (and Google's) problem here is that it's clear to any layperson that their devices really are copies of Apple's products. No, they are not knock offs (like this). But, the similarities are stunning, right down to similar icons and icon placement, features, etc.

Last, let's address the claim of "Apple did not invent the touchscreen smartphone." Well, here's the the thing: Yeah, they kinda did. There were touchscreen phones before the iPhone, but none that even approached it as a total product. In fact, they were not even in the same category.

Here's what a "smartphone" looked like in 2001.

And in 2002 it looked like this.

More: 2004 Blackberry.

Blackberry 2006

And a collection of phones in December 2006.

Abut the closest you'll get is the Samsung IP-830w. Even that is running Windows and isn't close to the iPhone. The point is that the iPhone was different. It was better. It was far more usable. And like may of Apple's products, it redefined the market segment. The iPad has done the same. It was obviously not the first tablet...but it was the first tablet really worth buying. It's now it's own market...there is the iPad and then everything else.
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post #108 of 446
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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

I'm sure Apple is having many sleepless night because of the awesomeness of that phone. What are the sales figures again? Strange, haven't seen any. With a completely redesigned iPhone 5 launching this year, on the back of 37+million supply-constrained quarterly sales without even a redesigned phone, I'm sure they're shuddering.

It's rare because Nexus wasn't meant for retail to begin with. It is a referenced handset, a test mule if you will, meant for App developers to learn and develop their apps for ICS on a vanilla Adnroid, be it features, stability or functions. So if your apps run on Nexus, it should run anywhere. Goggle doesn't have the option to give retail handsets to developers like Apple, but Nexus will be a yardstick all Android 4.0 apps will be tested on.

The first batch Samsung made are probably go direct to Google's developers and third-party clients who has signed up and has storefronts in Marketplace. Not much different from a contract developers signed before developing for iTunes Stores. Either way, Nexus is not for us retail buyers.

All the units you see on sale are leftovers from any developers who aren't interested to jump on ICS development right away. And when Samsung built all the units contracted with Google, that would be it.

If you want a proper working Android 4.0 handset, wait until May for Galaxy 3. That is what Samsung would like to sell more. Why put your back into promoting Google's line when you have your own to prop?
post #109 of 446
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Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post

Wow some of these replies are old.

Very intellectual and thought out I might add.

I will not dispute that Apple change the smartphone industry back in 2007. What they did was amazing. They created a wonderful product. So did Henry Ford back when he created the Model T.
My argument is what have they done lately? Seriously what great innovations have come out? Name me one thing in iOS 5 that was great (besides destroying my battery life in my iPod). I WANT them to innovate again. I WANT them to come up with something great. I am not looking to feed the trolls here but seriously, try to understand what I am saying. I am NOT ripping into Apple nor looking to start a pissing match. I am asking a legitimate question.

For those that asked what did the Nexus do? Well lets look at the Nexus line. (Starting with the Nexus S 4g, the previous model). They introduced NFC into the market. They introduced a true HD display. Android, introduced the notification system that has become the industry standard (now being used in iOS5). Android introduced front facing cameras (they did it before Apple did by 3 months). The list goes on and on.

Now in related to what this article is about the patents in question, they will be thrown out. All those patents where used in the industry before Apple filed for them. A first year law student can get that thrown out. All this is, is posturing for the public because Apple has been losing their cases left and right. The ones they are winning are very small and easy work a rounds.

The point is, what works best for everyone is TRUE competition. All this posturing and pissing matches is good for no one. If you are in the Apple camp, or Android camp, each one benefits from the other. I would say the same in a Android forum that is ripping into Apple. Respecting the competitor rather than trying to go "thermonuclear" on them is win win in the long run. If Apple was the only phone on the market, do you really think you would have something like Siri? Do you really think their would be a front facing camera? Or a drive to make things faster and smoother? What is the incentive into dumping millions into R&D when there is no one to beat? If that was the case, we would still be driving around Model T's to the store.

I just don't understand why people in both camps cannot see that. We are humans with the inherent design of freedom of choice. I do not look down for others to chose one product over another. What I will fight for is the ability to have a choice, and not be forced into one.


An old reply is, as I've already pointed out, to suggest Apple success is due to marketing...
Now you introduce another old reply (in your last paragraph)- Apple's lawsuits are all about getting rid of competition. I believe they are just trying to protect their "tech". If the courts don't agree then then they will throw them out, but if they didn't fight them they would be automatically ceding any rights to their own R&D - the point is, all companies do it. Apple is no more anti choice than anyone else, they just don't want others using what they "believe" is theirs.

And saying a "first year law student can get them thrown out"?? So what you're saying is the others need only turn up with first year law students to fight them? coz that'd be certainly a lot cheaper.... - a totally unrealistic comment (to put it mildly).

What do you mean by "lately" as far as innovations??
The iPad and it's successors have done to tablets what the iPhone did to the cellphone industry and who knows if they will with tv's too - but I won't bet against them....

Your comments on NFC, front facing camera etc. again show you don't get Apple's approach. Apple could have put all sorts of tricks in the iphone from the start and it would've worked crappily and not very well (like other phones) - I used to own some htc thingo before my iphone 3GS and it had a front facing camera, it had many things beside and ran windows mobile 5/6 - (so Android hardly introduced front facing cameras...) but the point is i never got any work done with it coz i spent my time "setting it up" visiting that XDA site, working on it, doing all sorts of things - but i got no actual work done with it at all - plus they never made the graphics chip available for 3rd party software to work with so my movies always stuttered (another story!)- and that's typical enuff i guess of mobile computing before the iPhone.

The whole point of the above is that Apple implements things when they believe it will work seamlessly eg. NFC - they don't put it in yet coz there are still no real standards (I believe) and other issues.

Apple have always done their own thing with little regard for anyone else so no, i don't believe your comment on competition applies too much to Apple - it might apply to the rest in competition with Apple becoz, until Apple came along (in phones), it was an absolute hotspotch with regard to "innovation".

Nobody here (well maybe a few ha) look down on other's choices. We all used whatever was available until the iPhone came along - we now use it becoz it's actually good and works. I honestly don't think you get it at all.

Lastly (while i get the reference) I don't believe that anyone is going "thermonuclear" here as you put it... People come along to troll and get the replies they deserve. And I don't think many of us could care less who's saying what about Apple on an Android site - so what?
post #110 of 446
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

Apple's really been getting busy on the legal front these past few days.

I fully support their offensive and it's time to step up the blitzkrieg and take no prisoners.

Until Google's acquisition of Motorola completes and Google shuts down everything from iCloud to banning all iDevices that use 3G due to patent infringements. Apple is not going to be the one that ends the patent wars.
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Originally Posted by GTR View Post

Genuine question here:

What innovations do you think Google has brought to the table recently?

Just look at 50% - 80% of the "new" items in iOS 4 and iOS 5 and you'll see Google's innovations.

"Great artists steal"
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Apple recently passed Sony as Samsung's biggest customer so I doubt Samsung will do any funny business with the supplies. And the fact is Apple has been depending on Samsung cpu's ever since the birth of the iphone, and Apple is not eager to make a change either.

And you make it sound like Apple can cure cancer with it's 100 billion lol.

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cure cancer. funny. hold on...wait.....wtf?
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Samsung has the Bada OS and is working on another they are calling Tizen. So they have a few moves worked out I think.

That's called giving up on chess and going to play something else instead
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Just look at 50% - 80% of the "new" items in iOS 4 and iOS 5 and you'll see Google's innovations.

"Great artists steal"

Nothing innovative in those. Apple was adding features they deliberately left out in earleir version to keep it fast and smooth. Google didn't innovate them - they existed in other OSs such as WebOS and WinMob.
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Multi-touch is the clearest example to me of Android and Samsung stealing from Apple. I do not believe Apple has brought any lawsuit on this yet, outside of the swipe to open including in this compliant.

My understanding is Apple has a library of patents on it, some dating back 20 years. If so, this could be the next hammer that comes down. This would be the nuclear bomb, as Android would not be able to work around it.

Any insight from the board is appreciated

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post #116 of 446
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Until Google's acquisition of Motorola completes and Google shuts down everything from iCloud to banning all iDevices that use 3G due to patent infringements. Apple is not going to be the one that ends the patent wars.

They aren't going to get their ban on the 3G patents - more likely they will be investigated for abuse of Frand as Samsung are. APple are already suing for breach of contract on that one in the US.

The iCloud one is a bit more problematic. It is very debatable that a pager patent should be applicable anyway but Apple may have help from an unexpected source on that one as MS were granted a patent for virtually the same thin and it does apply to phones and PDAs. If Apple cross-licence that, as they do most MS patents, Moto start looking silly again
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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

Apple needs to sue Google directly and not to mention Andy Rubin personnaly for stealing their technology.

Motorola is crooked at its core for trying this crap. Fortunately it's a worthless dying company.

I hope Apple drills them new A-Holes before they die.

Apple is a newbie in the cell phone industry and doesn't have a leg to stand on against a company that invented what they use today. Nice try but Motorola is just welcoming them to their own party. Sucks when someone has been doing this for decades longer than you and actually has something of substance doesn't it?

Motorola invented a technology millions use today.

Apple took current technology, modded it, put a nice face on it, added an ecosystem around it and marketed it. They invented nothing that wasn't already possible. However, they took what was already there and made it functional. There's no other way to spin it. EVERYTHING the original iPhone did, was already something that could be done on another *existing* device. Palm and Microsoft paved their way.
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Originally Posted by MicroNix View Post

Until Google's acquisition of Motorola completes and Google shuts down everything from iCloud to banning all iDevices that use 3G due to patent infringements. Apple is not going to be the one that ends the patent wars.

apple continues down the path of stupidity with respect to the brand name and that is the most important thing they have. they had this mentality in the 80's (can't be beat, full of themselves, money) and they did the mac and then just kind of sat there and went down the tubes and going down the tubes didn't have anything to do with Windows per se. it had to do with price and convenience and attitude. Apple wants to control price and let you have NO OPTIONS. you can have any smartphone with a touchscreen you want as long as its an Apple. They tried this with the mac. they thought no one had the right to do a graphical interface but them. stupid.
once apple completes its image make-over and starts being referred to as the 'evil empire' by the mass media then we will see a change. too many people are ignorant of what apple is doing and the 'big lie' behind the company.
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Nothing innovative in those. Apple was adding features they deliberately left out in earleir version to keep it fast and smooth. Google didn't innovate them - they existed in other OSs such as WebOS and WinMob.

Oh, ha ha ha ha..."deliberately left out in earlier version"....ha ha ha. No, the fact that the notification bar on iOS 5 operates EXACTLY like the Android notification bar isn't because they copied it, it was because it was locked up in the lab awaiting technology to catch up to fuel an animation of a drop down window. Oh, ha ha ha, that is rich! Where do you people come up with this garbage? Are you part of the Apple marketing team?!?!?!
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Originally Posted by Galeforce View Post

They aren't going to get their ban on the 3G patents - more likely they will be investigated for abuse of Frand as Samsung are. APple are already suing for breach of contract on that one in the US.

The iCloud one is a bit more problematic. It is very debatable that a pager patent should be applicable anyway but Apple may have help from an unexpected source on that one as MS were granted a patent for virtually the same thin and it does apply to phones and PDAs. If Apple cross-licence that, as they do most MS patents, Moto start looking silly again

Tech is tech no matter how its used. Doesn't matter if it is in a phone, PC, pager or whatnot. If there's a patent on a specific i/o operation, there's not much disputing.
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