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Ã*Pad - problem solved.

Nice! (Of course, a high resolution screen would have helped in seeing just what you did there.)
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I wonder if Proview can really persuade China to block exports of iPads and thereby throw out of work hundreds of thousands of Chinese workers who make iPads?

Do you really think Apple has the right to cancel its contract with Foxcon due to an export ban? Seems pretty far fetched to me.

Something like "If Apple steals IP and gets in trouble, Apple can simply cancel this contract." Huh?
post #83 of 204
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Originally Posted by Sierrajeff View Post

The Chinese only own a miniscule portion of our debt - in the single digits.

On the other hand, does China really want to tell leading businesses around the world that their manufacturing lines are so vulnerable that a baseless IP suit can hold their entire product lines hostage? Some companies are already looking to take manufacturing out of China, due to cost, environmental and IP concerns. If China blocks the export of iPads made in China, the backlash by both consumers and international companies would be *enormous*.

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Don't forget any references of the iPad name in the OS or firmware...or business and legal documents, etc.

It doesn't matter. China can not stop Apple from manufacturing a product in China for export solely because they do not believe that Apple has the rights to the name in China. It doesn't matter if the product and the box and the documentation say 'iPad'. China can only prevent its sale in China, not elsewhere.
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post #84 of 204
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Originally Posted by decsramble View Post

China would be nuts to agree to that. An export ban on iPads would hurt Apple but it would terrify every company that uses China for manufacturing.


Only the companies who steal Chinese IP need be worried.
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Originally Posted by iCarbon View Post

Dear China,

we'll just default on our debt and destroy your economy, MAD still exists, but it's economy-based now!

If companies like Apple stop manufacturing in China there will not be an economy to destroy.
post #86 of 204
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Ã*Pad - problem solved.

Actually, it would have been interesting if Apple had employed a tactic such as this in the original naming convention for its products while maintaining ownership of the current names to cover possible naming knock-offs.

Does anyone remember PR1ME? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer)
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The problem with this scenario is that Proview (or the Chinese government) do not have the right to block Apple's manufacture and export of the product.

My guess is that you know little or nothing about Chinese law.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Only the companies who steal Chinese IP need be worried.

Such a Tekstudian remark, must be you under that mask, Tekstud!

Okay, so Apple needn't be worried then!
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No as much as the world hates you yanks already though for putting your noses where they have no business.

It's interesting that none of you non-yanks mind the billions of dollars [literally] in financial aid that comes out of the US every year. Hell, if all that economic aid that the US has passed out out every year for the just past few decades was actually repaid with proper interest, then there wouldn't be a US deficit (yes, even with rampant corruption, bloat and excess in government spending). I don't hear any cries of "no, no, no, we don't want your money, just keep it for yourselves" - no, it's hands out 24/7. How about every time there's a natural disaster, who's on the scene first? Agencies/organizations from the US. And what do the "yanks" get for offering (and executing) more assistance than everyone else in the world combined - they get labeled as "busy bodies sticking their nose in everyone else's business". The US has made some whopper mistakes in sending troops to various places, but how many of those were unilaterally-US? How many times did the US go in somewhere without the cooperation of forces from other nations (pitiful as they might have been)?

No, the US has done what no other nation has managed so far. Despite massive mistakes along the way, and massive problems yet to be tackled, the US is still the best option out there. Perfect? Not by a long shot, but frankly, better than any other option we have out here. People still immigrate to the US in droves every year - even though "the world hates those yanks". The ones that can't immigrate, simply emulate as best as they can. Why? Because even with the problems, it's just better in the US - better than the alternatives. Because the only people who "hate" the US, are the governments and organizations with a vested interest in the status-quo in their respective countries, as well as the ignorant pawns that have been duped into towing the party line and spout the anti-US rhetoric (even though it hurts them in the long run to do so, but such is the price of ignorance). So much venom constantly spit on the US, and interestingly enough, so much of it by anonymous voices on a globally-unifying medium (the 'internet') that wouldn't even exist were it not for the efforts initiated and largely executed by the US (look up ARPANET).

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USA and China have a love hate relationship; face it you are both fucked without each other.

And what do you think will happen to the global economy without the US & China both as significant players? (Hint: Welcome back to a pre-industrial world, mate.)
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Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post

It's not like a swimming pool isn't essentially a larger version of a bath tub anyway, ...

No... It Isn't, as one is used for bathing/cleaning one's body and other for swimming/fitness.

Strawman Much?
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Everyone knows China is a corrupt country, but it's only a tad more so than the USA.


Justify this - there is no widespread conception that the United States has a corrupt legal system. However, there IS the widespread belief that China's legal system is corrupt. Most of the commenters on the board have tacitly agreed with the underlying assumption that China has a corrupt legal system in their posts.

By and large, there is no large scale bribery of the judicial system in the US.
post #92 of 204
Go ahead and block all exports of the iPad! That will be a real genius move! Personally, it wouldn't affect me much. I'd just use my iPad 2 for a bit longer, I don't mind that too much as the iPad 2 is still awesome.

If a ban actually happened, then Apple needs to reconsider doing business in that corrupt, communist mafia country. China is currently one of the worst countries in the world and they usually side with evil when it comes to most situations.

Foxconn will have to fire a half million Chinese workers, because there will be no products for them to make. Let them starve! Fuck 'em! Foxconn can set up their main operations in another country.

As for the name, it doesn't matter if Apple calls it the CrapPad! It will still sell like hotcakes and people will be lining up to buy them all over the world.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

It doesn't matter. China can not stop Apple from manufacturing a product in China for export solely because they do not believe that Apple has the rights to the name in China. It doesn't matter if the product and the box and the documentation say 'iPad'. China can only prevent its sale in China, not elsewhere.

Unless, of course, they pressure Foxconn to stop manufacture as well - which is within the realm of possibility (but unlikely for the many reasons previously cited by others).
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Do you really think Apple has the right to cancel its contract with Foxcon due to an export ban? Seems pretty far fetched to me.

Something like "If Apple steals IP and gets in trouble, Apple can simply cancel this contract." Huh?

No need. Apple pays Foxconn for every unit shipped. If Foxconn can't ship any units, Apple doesn't have to pay. No need for Apple to cancel its contract.

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Actually, it would have been interesting if Apple had employed a tactic such as this in the original naming convention for its products while maintaining ownership of the current names to cover possible naming knock-offs.

Does anyone remember PR1ME? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer)

I used a Prime for solving x-ray crystal structures many years ago.

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My guess is that you know little or nothing about Chinese law.

[insult removed]

The difference is that I'm right and you're not.
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post #95 of 204
Fascinating. I'd like to see China try to enforce a global ban on Apple iPad sales, just because some company I've never heard of disputes ownership of the iPad name in China. I didn't know the Chinese could globally own any particular sequence of LATIN characters. How does that even work? Can I claim to own some squiggles that happen to form some Chinese characters and enforce it world wide?

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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

No... It Isn't, as one is used for bathing/cleaning one's body and other for swimming/fitness.

Strawman Much?

Make a call with your iPad. Do it.

Type with ten fingers on your iPhone. Do it.

Come off it. You can't possibly have missed what he was saying.

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post #97 of 204
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

It doesn't matter. China can not stop Apple from manufacturing a product in China for export solely because they do not believe that Apple has the rights to the name in China. It doesn't matter if the product and the box and the documentation say 'iPad'. China can only prevent its sale in China, not elsewhere.

You do realize that China is a Communist country and if they choose to stop the exports of ANYTHING they can and no one can do anything about it. Sure they can move manufacturing to other countries but that would take years, would not happen over night. Many here fail to understand that this case isnt "business" oriented, it is "Nationalism" oriented. Here comes the big bad American Apple trying to bully its way around (Like America does) throw money at everything and do what it wants with impunity. Even if Apple is 100% in the rights here, it is perception and "saving face" that is ruling the day on this one. If the Chinese government at all feels Apple is attempting to bully or disrespect them, they will halt shipments immediately, the old fashion "Chinese safety inspection" that lasts for years of cargo ships with Apple products on them.
post #98 of 204
So development of these can run rampant...






...but when Apple outright purchases the trademark name this company can renege on that agreement and get the okay to block exports?
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Justify this - there is no widespread conception that the United States has a corrupt legal system. However, there IS the widespread belief that China's legal system is corrupt. Most of the commenters on the board have tacitly agreed with the underlying assumption that China has a corrupt legal system in their posts.

By and large, there is no large scale bribery of the judicial system in the US.

I meant that both countries are corrupt in the sense of being anti-democratic and being ruled by an elite group that the laws don't apply to (among other things).

I think the onus is on you to prove that there is rampant corruption in the Chinese judicial system and that judges are regularly "bought off." Merely saying (paraphrased), "everyone here agrees with me" (about that) is not the same as proving your point. I could easily do the same.

I mostly only wanted to point out that the original statement was (IMO of course), borderline racist and had "a tone" that was hardly different from making jokes about "darkies" or whatever. It came across as a mean spirited dig at an entire culture and race for no reason other than pure nastiness.

I didn't *report* the post as offensive or racist as I know these things can be open to (some) interpretation, but it seemed to me like a pretty disgusting kind of remark to make.
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You do realize that China is a Communist country and if they choose to stop the exports of ANYTHING they can and no one can do anything about it.

You keep thinking that.

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Here comes the big bad American Apple trying to bully its way around (Like America does) throw money at everything and do what it wants with impunity.

Throwing money even at *GASP* the legal right to the trademarked name!

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post #101 of 204
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Proview, the company that claims ownership of the "iPad" name in China, has asked the Chinese government to block exportation of Apple's iPad, which would effectively bring global sales to a halt.

Apple seems to own the trademark outside of China so I'm not sure how they could ban the products from being exported but these are clearly the actions of a debt-ridden company:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1275792.html

$1.6b in damages for some low-end display manufacturer because of a name they probably don't even use for a product.

Maybe calling it the iPad would suffice. Just reprint some labels for the Chinese market.

If they do manage to block sales entirely in China, Apple should just withdraw it from sale. Chinese consumers will lose out more than anything and they just wait until ProView tanks.
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Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post

So... maybe China's not such a cost-effective place to do business after all.

Interesting point, and one with far-reaching conclusions.

These big tech (and other) companies discovered that low-priced foreign tech support lines were not always the cheapest alternative, if customer satisfaction is taken into account. Maybe these big tech companies will likewise discover that low-priced chinese labor is not always the cheapest alternative, if more factors are taken into account.

Maybe it is worth the extra labor costs to manufacture in first-world countries, like the US? I can't tell. Lots of numbers need to be crunched by the bean counters and the suits at Apple.
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Make a call with your iPad. Do it.

I can
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post #104 of 204
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Make a call with your iPad. Do it.

Type with ten fingers on your iPhone. Do it.

Come off it. You can't possibly have missed what he was saying.

FACT: I make FaceTime 'calls' equally well on my iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad quite often, as I'm certain many others do as well.

Anyway... Whether the naysayers want to acknowledge it or not - the aforementioned devices are all just touchscreen tablet devices of varying sizes, functionally the same, running the same OS, and many of the same apps, and it's only logical that larger screens tend to afford a more natural/comfortable touch/typing experience, so that argument is moot.
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post #105 of 204
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Apple seems to own the trademark outside of China so I'm not sure how they could ban the products from being exported but these are clearly the actions of a debt-ridden company:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1275792.html

$1.6b in damages for some low-end display manufacturer because of a name they probably don't even use for a product.

Maybe calling it the iPad would suffice. Just reprint some labels for the Chinese market.

If they do manage to block sales entirely in China, Apple should just withdraw it from sale. Chinese consumers will lose out more than anything and they just wait until ProView tanks.

If exports are blocked, this will become a significant trade dispute and the US government will become involved. China needs the world as much as the world needs China.
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post #106 of 204
Look what the cat brought in.

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post #107 of 204
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Dear China,

We have 100 billion dollars. We'll just stop selling all of our products to you and move all our manufacturing to Taiwan. You know, the place you pretend doesn't exist.

Sincerely,

Apple.


Dear Apple,

We dont need Apple as others will take its place.

Sincerely,

China


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Wow China really wants the world to hate it.


You dont want to piss of China. They own a large portion of US debt not to mention they own 70% of the worlds ENTIRE manufacturing output.

Might be beneficial for Apple to payup the $1.6 Billion before their stocks prices take a tumble.

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We dont need Apple as others will take its place.

Who?

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post #109 of 204
... the market value of Proview is bellow 300 M$ ...
Worst case is, its going to end up as a very aggressive IPO from Apple ... and then what ?
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In a worst case scenario Apple could ship them in bulk packaging without any branding. Then print the packaging and brand the device in the retail country. Those last two steps are really easy to do just about anywhere in the world. It might cost a little more to the end user or maybe Apple could just eat the cost. Then the threat of pulling out of China would have some teeth.

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Dear Apple,

We will stop buying American debt and destroy your economy. Don't forget that we have you by the short curlies.

Sincerely.

China

Right, China would risk destroying the global economy over a trademark dispute. Tell me, do you think before you post, or do you just blurt crap out?
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post #112 of 204
This entire story is a joke. There is no way Chinese courts will block the exportation of the iPad based on a trademark dispute.
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post #113 of 204
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You keep thinking that.



Throwing money even at *GASP* the legal right to the trademarked name!

I do not think it I know it. In my line of business I see the crazy things China does in the name of Nationalism. Makes zero sense to you and I, is extremely counter productive but never the less they still do these things. You are trying to rationalize like a business man or simply a rational human being but from the things I have seen, rational is way off the charts when it comes to Chinese Nationalism and "saving face". This deal is going to come down to how well Apple is at diplomacy and kissing butt, not laws or money, though I am sure large sums of money will change hands.
post #114 of 204
The possibility that China could stop export of the iPad over a disputed trademark when China does nothing to quell the manufacture of counterfeit products, including Apple products, for sale in China and for export worldwide is the irony of the century.
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Originally Posted by IQatEdo View Post

So, buying North Korea, is that the end run, the flanking manoeuvre, to beat the Chinese at their own game?



You guys might be on to something here. Steve wanted to go Thermonuclear. If Apple buys North Korea, they could do so literally!

And they could set up factories there with rules like the death penalty for sleeping on the job, and working conditions would STILL be better than other jobs available to the workers.

Thermonuclear capabilities combines with the ability to use horrible labor practices! That's the ticket!
post #116 of 204
Normally I wouldn't resort to the childish response, but hey, it seems more than appropriate. I say that until the Chinese government takes their knock-off, piracy, IP-theft seriously, then their companies should be ignored when they make the kinds of complaints that foreign companies have been making for years about China. They can't let their homegrown companies rip everyone else off then suddenly find religion when one of their own companies feels it's IP/trademark/etc is being abused...
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Apple seems to own the trademark outside of China so I'm not sure how they could ban the products from being exported but these are clearly the actions of a debt-ridden company:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1275792.html

$1.6b in damages for some low-end display manufacturer because of a name they probably don't even use for a product.

Maybe calling it the iPad would suffice. Just reprint some labels for the Chinese market.

If they do manage to block sales entirely in China, Apple should just withdraw it from sale. Chinese consumers will lose out more than anything and they just wait until ProView tanks.

It's common to suggest some excessive fee so a less excessive, though still excessive, fee will seem more reasonable. I don't think for a second that Proview thinks they will get anywhere near $1.6B even if they are in the right, which don't seem like the smart bet considering we know Apple licensed the iPad name from Proview already. Seems to me that the parent company misrepresented its ability to license the iPad name in China or that the Proview China is misrepresenting itself are more likely than Apple having done a half assed job with their previous deal and knew full well they didn't have the rights to the name in China despite the $55 million payout.

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post #118 of 204
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It doesn't matter. China can not stop Apple from manufacturing a product in China for export solely because they do not believe that Apple has the rights to the name in China. It doesn't matter if the product and the box and the documentation say 'iPad'. China can only prevent its sale in China, not elsewhere.

If a company were set up making counterfeit iPads (or any other name-brand product) in the USA, all for export, do you really think that US law would allow that?

That seems pretty unlikely to me. ISTM that manufacture of counterfeit goods can be prevented under Chinese law too, and that if they are produced, export can be stopped.

Do you really think otherwise?
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It's interesting that none of you non-yanks mind the billions of dollars [literally] in financial aid that comes out of the US every year. Hell, if all that economic aid that the US has passed out out every year for the just past few decades was actually repaid with proper interest, then there wouldn't be a US deficit (yes, even with rampant corruption, bloat and excess in government spending). I don't hear any cries of "no, no, no, we don't want your money, just keep it for yourselves" - no, it's hands out 24/7. How about every time there's a natural disaster, who's on the scene first? Agencies/organizations from the US. And what do the "yanks" get for offering (and executing) more assistance than everyone else in the world combined - they get labeled as "busy bodies sticking their nose in everyone else's business". The US has made some whopper mistakes in sending troops to various places, but how many of those were unilaterally-US? How many times did the US go in somewhere without the cooperation of forces from other nations (pitiful as they might have been)?

No, the US has done what no other nation has managed so far. Despite massive mistakes along the way, and massive problems yet to be tackled, the US is still the best option out there. Perfect? Not by a long shot, but frankly, better than any other option we have out here. People still immigrate to the US in droves every year - even though "the world hates those yanks". The ones that can't immigrate, simply emulate as best as they can. Why? Because even with the problems, it's just better in the US - better than the alternatives. Because the only people who "hate" the US, are the governments and organizations with a vested interest in the status-quo in their respective countries, as well as the ignorant pawns that have been duped into towing the party line and spout the anti-US rhetoric (even though it hurts them in the long run to do so, but such is the price of ignorance). So much venom constantly spit on the US, and interestingly enough, so much of it by anonymous voices on a globally-unifying medium (the 'internet') that wouldn't even exist were it not for the efforts initiated and largely executed by the US (look up ARPANET).



And what do you think will happen to the global economy without the US & China both as significant players? (Hint: Welcome back to a pre-industrial world, mate.)


I wouldn't even bother defending against the "America sucks/capitalism is evil" diatribes...it's been trendy to hate the States for a few decades now, and obviously because the Bible says greed is bad, it must be, and no one needs to defend that assertion.
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If a ban actually happened, then Apple needs to reconsider doing business in that corrupt, communist mafia country. China is currently one of the worst countries in the world and they usually side with evil when it comes to most situations.



Lots of people think that Apple should reconsider doing business in China whether or not a ban actually happens. Labor conditions alone are enough to cause Apple to reconsider.
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