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A report on Tuesday revealed that Apple has added a new barrier to the software needed to run Siri, a move that shows the Cupertino, Calif., company is actively tracking the growing number of iDevice users who have managed to port the voice-recognizing assistant to non-supported hardware.

In an attempt to halt the unauthorized use of its digital assistant on devices not intended to run the software, Apple covertly instituted a "SetActivationToken" property list file which effectively disables any attempts to communicate with Siri's servers, according to Apple blog Redmond Pie.

To get the voice-recognition software to work on other iOS devices, the so-called jailbreak community came up with a basic program called Spire which installs the required on-device files to communicate with the Siri servers. Spire's developers, the prolific hacker "chpwn" and Ryan Petrich, allege that the program is a completely legal port.

The software has caveats, however, as it is only available to jailbroken devices, requires a proxy Siri server and an iPhone 4S certificate.

Despite the troublesome task of installing and troubleshooting the workaround, the demand from users who don't have an iPhone 4S yet want a taste of Siri has been enough to warrant a response from Apple.

Since Siri was announced in October 2011 as the standout feature of Apple's iPhone 4S, users of other iOS devices like the iPhone 4 and 3GS have questioned the company's decision to keep the software locked to the newest generation handset.

Apple has not officially responded outside of saying that the hardware on the 4S makes Siri possible, though previous anecdotal reports have claimed that the exclusivity may stem from a modified proximity sensor or integrated noise reduction tech from EarSmart.

The feature has been seen as a driving force for sales of the newest iPhone, and Apple may be pushing users to upgrade rather than rely on an untested, unauthorized piece of software.


Apple's newest iPhone 4S commercial featuring Siri. | Source: Apple


The jailbreak community is already claiming that a simple "solution" to the "SetActivationToken" addition is to simply delete the entirety of a certain .plist information bundle, however the technique hasn't been fully vetted.

This latest attempt to free an iOS feature from Apple's "walled garden" is but one of a myriad jailbreak attempts by users who want interface with their devices in ways frowned upon by the company.

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Good. Screw the jailbreak community. Regardless of what anybody claims or says, I still believe that the majority of them are simple cheapskates and thieves.

And the few people who claim that they are not, well they should just go out and buy an Android phone if tinkering and wasting time playing around with their phones gives them hard ons.
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Good. Screw the jailbreak community. Regardless of what anybody claims or says, I still believe that the majority of them are simple cheapskates and thieves.

And the few people who claim that they are not, well they should just go out and buy an Android phone if tinkering and wasting time playing around with their phones gives them hard ons.

What about the people who like to vent on forums to get hard-ons?
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I have no problem with this as Siri's usefulness is usefulness is directly affected by the system load but I suspect they will going back and forth with the hackers until the iPhone 4S is the one of the oldest iPhone on the market.

I do hope that hackers aren't clever enough to figure out how to access Siri on non-iOS-based devices. Having Android users to use Siri because their service in unintuitive could be devastating to all Siri users.

I have noticed that Siri is more responsive and perhaps even more intelligent since it first debuted. I hope we get some info about Siri updates at the next event.

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This is great news for consumers. Siri doesn't work well on older devices that's why Apple was forced to make the very difficult decision not to offer the technology to 3GS and 4 owners.

Apple is always about protecting the user experience. That's why I love them.
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What about the people who like to vent on forums to get hard-ons?

What about them? Are you suggesting that I go out and buy an Android phone too?

I can afford to buy all of my apps. I have so many apps, that they all don't even fit on my current iPad.

Jailbreakers have the mentality of a Fandroid, and that's what they should be using, an Android device.
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Siri is "really sorry" she "can't help . . . now" often enough in the L.A. area, at least once a day it seems, to make me think that they don't have enough bandwidth for her yet. Or maybe datawidth is the term?

So keep her restricted to paying customers for the time being. She's one big reason why people who sprung for a 4S are impressed with the phone over and over again. I still haven't gotten over being amazed. In fact it's growing.

Of course the other amazing thing is the video out of this camera.

Edit: I say L.A. like as if it's a factor in Siri's overload episodes. I have no idea if geography has anything to do with it. Probably not, eh?
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This latest attempt to free an iOS feature from Apple's "walled garden" is but one of a myriad jailbreak attempts by users who want interface with their devices in ways frowned upon by the company.

Apple frowns upon crashing, the loss of all security and crummy-looking user interfaces.

Jailbreakers are the scum of the earth.
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Apple frowns upon crashing, the loss of all security and crummy-looking user interfaces.

Jailbreakers are the scum of the earth.

Interesting. With that in mind, I wonder what TIm Cook thinks of Apple's own Mac OS X Lion developers.
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What about the people who like to vent on forums to get hard-ons?

The "hard-on" line immediately marks you as a juvenile (mentally, physically or both), and undercuts whatever "argument" you thought you had.

The content of your post might be better phrased as "Look at me, I'm an intolerant young guy with a potty mouth who attacks people for no reason!"
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The "hard-on" line immediately marks you as a juvenile (mentally, physically or both), and undercuts whatever "argument" you thought you had.

The content of your post might be better phrased as "Look at me, I'm an intolerant young guy with a potty mouth who attacks people for no reason!"

He was responding to a "Hard On" reference previously made. LOL!


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What about the people who like to vent on forums to get hard-ons?

The "hard-on" line immediately marks you as a juvenile (mentally, physically or both), and undercuts whatever "argument" you thought you had.

The content of your post might be better phrased as "Look at me, I'm an intolerant young guy with a potty mouth who attacks people for no reason!"

To be fair, he was simply referencing what Apple ][ posted.
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He was responding to a "Hard On" reference previously made. LOL!

Yep, let's all blame Apple ][! Apple ][ is the root cause of most problems in this world, or at least on this forum.
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Good. Screw the jailbreak community. Regardless of what anybody claims or says, I still believe that the majority of them are simple cheapskates and thieves.

And the few people who claim that they are not, well they should just go out and buy an Android phone if tinkering and wasting time playing around with their phones gives them hard ons.

Pretty ironic post considering your signature.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

Good. Screw the jailbreak community. Regardless of what anybody claims or says, I still believe that the majority of them are simple cheapskates and thieves.

And the few people who claim that they are not, well they should just go out and buy an Android phone if tinkering and wasting time playing around with their phones gives them hard ons.

I think what you meant to say is "regardless of any evidence". You just make a blanket assertion with no basis or evidence, and about something that has no negative impact on anyone whatsoever. You must be the life of every party.
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Yep, let's all blame Apple ][! Apple ][ is the root cause of most problems in this world, or at least on this forum.

Hey - can I use your line as a sig?


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...playing around with their phones gives them hard ons.

Apple ][

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I do wonder if there are license fees paid to companies like WolframAlpha or others associated with the tech that are built into the costs of the iPhone 4S. Purely speculation since it seems to work just fine on the 4.
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This is great news for consumers. Siri doesn't work well on older devices that's why Apple was forced to make the very difficult decision not to offer the technology to 3GS and 4 owners.

Apple is always about protecting the user experience. That's why I love them.

But Apple has every now and then also used new features, which could have been released on older devices, as the carrot to entice people to upgrade. I've not seen or read any reports specifically about how well Siri performs on the iPhone 4, perhaps there is some performance or hardware functionality in the 4S that is critical for Siri to work. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't and it was purely a marketing carrot for the 4S sales. (One that I believe is still "beta" software, isn't it?)
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Hey - can I use your line as a sig?


Sure, I don't mind.
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It's worth mentioning that Siri is still beta software, and Apple is no doubt collecting data from the server in order to further its development. They have good reason in my view to limit its functionality to the hardware it was intended for. Frankly they have that right in any event, but it makes even more sense considering the ongoing development.
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I have no problem with this as Siri's usefulness is usefulness is directly affected by the system load but I suspect they will going back and forth with the hackers until the iPhone 4S is the one of the oldest iPhone on the market.

I do hope that hackers aren't clever enough to figure out how to access Siri on non-iOS-based devices. Having Android users to use Siri because their service in unintuitive could be devastating to all Siri users.

I have noticed that Siri is more responsive and perhaps even more intelligent since it first debuted. I hope we get some info about Siri updates at the next event.

Huh, maybe it's me or something my evil offspring has done, but Siri seems to be less accurate and less helpful then before. Of course since the kids keep changing it so that Siri calls me big teddy bear* who knows what else they messed with.

*So embarrassing when out in public.

On topic.
In low volumes the Jail breakers probably are not hurting anything. However, in this instance, I think the jail breakers are stealing a service. If Apple chooses to lock them out I believe they have every right to do so. i also think that if Apple gets to aggressive with locking them out that they run tj=he risk of looking like a bullying asshat.
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Pretty ironic post considering your signature.

I don't see any irony. Think different is of course an old Apple marketing slogan. Apple doesn't approve of jailbreakers and neither do I. Just because I have a signature that says "Think Different", that doesn't mean that I am automatically obliged to approve of every retarded idea that exists in the universe.
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You must be the life of every party.

That usually depends on how drunk or drugged up I am at that particular moment.
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That usually depends on how drunk or drugged up I am at that particular moment.

Hopefully not drugged or too drunk. Lol.
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Hopefully not drugged or too drunk. Lol.

I don't drink too often. If I'm first going to drink, then I will most certainly be getting drunk, otherwise I don't really see the point. Getting a girl drunk is also a good way to get them in to the sack, so alcohol does have it's uses sometimes.

I also don't use any hard drugs, I only stick to the extremely safe stuff, such as marijuana, which is a wonderful thing and hopefully any kids that I might ever have in the future will choose that instead of alcohol, which is a real killer.
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But Apple has every now and then also used new features, which could have been released on older devices, as the carrot to entice people to upgrade. I've not seen or read any reports specifically about how well Siri performs on the iPhone 4, perhaps there is some performance or hardware functionality in the 4S that is critical for Siri to work. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't and it was purely a marketing carrot for the 4S sales. (One that I believe is still "beta" software, isn't it?)

There might be some performance issues on the older phones, but I think the big factor is that a lot of the Siri processing happens on Apple's servers, so it would consume Apple resources if every iPhone had immediate access to Siri.
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Good. Screw the jailbreak community. Regardless of what anybody claims or says, I still believe that the majority of them are simple cheapskates and thieves.
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Allow me to speak for those of us who still believe in private property rights for a moment when I say "You couldn't be more wrong!"

I paid for my iPhone 4, its damn near out of contract at this point and it is MY PROPERTY. If someone or a group of people want to hack it to do something cool, that is our right! now, that said, Apple absolutely has the right to disable it too, as the ios updates are their property, but hey, I have the right to not run the update if I know or suspect that it will interact negatively with my unsupported use.

Why do Apple fans get so mad when people hack with apple goodies? When Windows Vista came out, there was a lot of hardware that idint run the transparency in the window borders (called aero glass. ) There was a hack discovered to enable it on unsupported hardware, MS didnt really care because no serious users who rely on Windows for critical situations would do such a silly hack, but it kept the tinkerers happy...

One more question, speaking as a college educated man who doesnt make a whole lot of money, I cant afford to get a new Apple product whenever it is announced, so what is wrong with me tinkering with my old one to get more life out of it? if I break it, its my problem and I can deal with it. How exactly am I a theif? because I dont have my amex on autofire aimed at Apple.com? Sorry I cant live up to your expectations of what an Apple product user should be economically.

That said, if you want to buy me a 4s, I am open to that idea.
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Apple frowns upon crashing, the loss of all security and crummy-looking user interfaces.

Jailbreakers are the scum of the earth.

Wow. Scum of the earth, huh? I have spent 22 years of my life, in numerous combat operations, so that you have the right to call people that. By the way, I am part of that scum, apparently.

And for Apple ][, you have your opinion about jailbreakers as well, just like I have just formed one about you. I'd rather be labeled a jailbreaker than a drug addict. Regardless of what anybody claims or says, I still believe that the majority of drug users are losers, a blight on society, criminals and belong in jail. How does that sound? By the way, I don't really believe that, but I wanted to show how making blanket statements just makes you look stupid.
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But Apple has every now and then also used new features, which could have been released on older devices, as the carrot to entice people to upgrade. I've not seen or read any reports specifically about how well Siri performs on the iPhone 4, perhaps there is some performance or hardware functionality in the 4S that is critical for Siri to work. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't and it was purely a marketing carrot for the 4S sales. (One that I believe is still "beta" software, isn't it?)

There are only two minor things that the 4S has that the 4 does not when it comes to using Siri. One is noise reduction and the other is "raise to speak" sensor. By the way, Siri works perfectly on an iPhone 4. Apple could very easily have put it on the 4 as well, but since the 4S looked identical to the 4, how many people would have gone for the 4S, without something special in it? The general populous probably couldn't tell ou the difference between an A4 chip and an A5, so Siri was the main thing Apple had to market for sales and commercials.
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Wow. Scum of the earth, huh? I have spent 22 years of my life, in numerous combat operations, so that you have the right to call people that. By the way, I am part of that scum, apparently.

I haven't heard many things in my life that are worse than the things Apple ][ and I am a Zither Zather Zuzz have said on these boards.

As for jailbreaking, the 2nd most expensive app for my iPhone was bought via the Jailbreak app store. It could $20 and was worth every penny. The most expensive app was on Apple's App Store That was TomTom for $50; worth every penny.

iOS 5.0 has removed any reason I'd have to jailbreak at this time.

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Allow me to speak for those of us who still believe in private property rights for a moment when I say "You couldn't be more wrong!"

I believe that jailbreaking is technically legal, so I'm not saying that you're not allowed to do whatever you want with a device which you bought, though Apple has stated that it might violate your warranty.

My main beef is with people who jailbreak in order to steal apps. It is mainly those people who I take issue with.
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I haven't heard many things in my life that are worse than the things Apple ][ and I am a Zither Zather Zuzz have said on these boards.

Then I think that you need to get out a bit more.

Seriously, you haven't heard many things in your life that are worse than the things that I say?
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As for jailbreaking, the 2nd most expensive app for my iPhone was bought via the Jailbreak app store. It could $20 and was worth every penny. The most expensive app was on Apple's App Store That was TomTom for $50; worth every penny.



From everything I've seen and heard, even when jailbreakers buy some programs, they also pirate others.

For example, most of them download a stolen copy and justify it by saying that it is "for evaluation" or some such nonsense. They claim that they pay for some of these programs.

Are you saying you've never done anything like that?

Those are they guys that I was talking about. They hurt the entire community.
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Jailbreakers are a good part of the Apple community. Let 'em go. They do security checking, and their hacks can then be buttoned up later.

I'd say that people put all kinds of nasty motives on Apple for this kind of thing, but there is firmware in the 4S that actually makes the speech recognition work so well. And the speed. So for Apple, which never wants to cripple some feature with insufficient hardware.

The personality of Siri, though it's not at the core of the technology, is almost as important. She is a credible, funny, sarcastic personal assistant.
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What about them? Are you suggesting that I go out and buy an Android phone too?

I can afford to buy all of my apps. I have so many apps, that they all don't even fit on my current iPad.

Jailbreakers have the mentality of a Fandroid, and that's what they should be using, an Android device.

I jailbreak my phone solely to enable tethering, which my carrier has disabled and have no way to enable otherwise. I'll stick to my iPhone, but thanks for the advice.
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I believe that jailbreaking is technically legal, so I'm not saying that you're not allowed to do whatever you want with a device which you bought, though Apple has stated that it might violate your warranty.

My main beef is with people who jailbreak in order to steal apps. It is mainly those people who I take issue with.

I know tons of ppl who jail break and I dont know one who steals bootleg apps, it was mostly to run apps that for whatever reason Apple didnt allow, like unix shells, and in earlier times, things like remote terminal apps, and remote desktop apps and such, but hey when all that stuff was made available in the app store, most of us stopped. The ones who continued, wanted home screen flexibility not offered by the stock apple stuff, so yeah the bootleggers are a small minority -- very small.
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Yep, let's all blame Apple ][! Apple ][ is the root cause of most problems in this world, or at least on this forum.

It was at the center of why Steve got fired from Apple

I have no problem w/Siri, she's usually very helpful. It would be nice if she could pronounce my damn name right when I correct her. My name is Hagen (long A). She calls me Hagan (short A, sounding like Haggen Daz ice cream). I say "No Siri, call me Hagen" and she says "Ok. I'll call you Hagan." So annoying.

Otherwise I've had my 4S a week tomorrow and I'm completely happy

EDIT: BTW just tested. Siri will happily call me "Stupid Piece of Shit" but can't pronounce my name. *shakes head*
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I don't drink too often. If I'm first going to drink, then I will most certainly be getting drunk, otherwise I don't really see the point. Getting a girl drunk is also a good way to get them in to the sack, so alcohol does have it's uses sometimes.

I also don't use any hard drugs, I only stick to the extremely safe stuff, such as marijuana, which is a wonderful thing and hopefully any kids that I might ever have in the future will choose that instead of alcohol, which is a real killer.

I hope for everybody else's sake that you never in your life procreate. Drinking for the sole purpose of getting drunk, getting girls drunk so you can defile them, and turning your future kids onto illegal substances. You would make a great father.
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What a wonderful way to thank customers for buying your wares... Completely dictate what they can do with it post-purchase. \
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I hope for everybody else's sake that you never in your life procreate. Drinking for the sole purpose of getting drunk, getting girls drunk so you can defile them, and turning your future kids onto illegal substances. You would make a great father.

I think Apple IIs post history gives clear indication he's somewhat of a shitty human being. Also, I call BS on 'getting girls in the sack' part. Everything from his posts indicate he's most likely an angry virgin who hates life, and most people.
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