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Again, the Apple TV take 2 can't (read: Apple won't let it) output higher than 720p. When the next one comes out, they'll advertise full 1080p output. But they can't very well do that when the device isn't out yet.

I was being sarcastic. Complaining about *only* 720p when it's a marvelous new method of streaming video?
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Would 3.8Mbps be an acceptable bitrate for that sort of thing?

I downloaded the 720p and 1080p files of this video from YouTube. The 720p option is 1967kbps and the 1080p is 3344kbps. I can't seem to find my iTunes Store tests that I took a couple years ago but I thought they hovered around 3-4Mbps making them inline with Google's 1080p. I'm not a big fan of letting the marketing jargon wag the wag dog but if people are going to want 1080p without thinking about it then why shouldn't Apple give it to them even if it doesn't mean any appreciable difference in quality?

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There isn't going to be an OS XI. Just Mac iOS.

By then Mac OS will be called the iOS Developer Platform.

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So much for the stupid, "Lion will be the last version of OS X," meme. Apple just put a bullet in that meme's head.

Not really now it's going to be "Mountain Lion will see an end to OS X!" heh

I'm waiting for OS X 10.9 Dingos Ate Your Baby edition.
post #125 of 274
So no evidence of HiDPI display support yet?

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post #126 of 274
They should call the next one Nyan.
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"Bringing more of iOS to Mac OS"

Which is why I'll be sticking with Snow Leopard...
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My computer. I install what I want if I so choose.

If this was true then I doubt folks would want this feature nor would there be much of a push toward locking machines down a la win 8.

Sony rootkit anyone?
post #129 of 274
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There isn't going to be an OS XI. Just Mac iOS.

Ew. No. Bad future.

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So no evidence of HiDPI display support yet?

Sure there is. The stock wallpaper's dimensions are 3200x(whateveritis)

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"Bringing more of iOS to Mac OS"

Which is why I'll be sticking with Snow Leopard...

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post #130 of 274
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And that was an arbitrary limit applied by Apple.

Yep, just like dropping floppy support.

Going 64 bit native across the whole mac platform has advantages you know.
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Yep, just like dropping floppy support.

Going 64 bit native across the whole mac platform has advantages you know.

Of course it does, I'm not saying it doesn't.

The fact that Core machines can run Lion makes the restriction arbitrary. An EFI-based lock-out is much harder to bypass.

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post #132 of 274
What seem interesting that no one is talking about is the Game Center integration. Yes, that is all nice and good, but what game can you play on a Mac and on an iPhone?? So, that means that we will finally have a central API that both Mac Game Center and iOS Game Center use to talk and communicate with, if I am reading that correctly? If so, this is going to be the biggest linch-pin for Mac gaming in its entire history. It is definitely a great time to be a Mac user, and even better time to be a Mac Developer!!
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post #133 of 274
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I think the next OSX will see a significant UI and underpinnings update. A year is not enough for that. This release does what it needs to do, which is provide powerful new integration with iOS, which most people will benefit from. I know absolutely noone with just a mac and no iOS device. These are features that will tangibly benefit a great many people.

Until last Wednesday that had described me since August. I replaced my PC w/a Mac Mini, but I was waiting for the 4s to come out to buy the phone. Then money was tight and I didn't get my phone till last week. My wife owned an iPad, but it wasn't mine, I just used it some

If they're good programs and make sense in a desktop OS, they'd be silly not to do it just b/c people might whine that that was a phone app first. Who cares. "Oh sorry, Shakespeare already told that same basic story, don't bother."
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What seem interesting that no one is talking about is the Game Center integration.

There is an article and thread for that.

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post #135 of 274
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Ew. No. Bad future.

I hope this happens.

Even Windows 8 is making the transition to a redesigned "touch-friendly" interface. Why should Apple spread out their resources when they can dedicate everything to one OS? Clearly we're around the corner from an a new Apple TV that will use iOS, and a user interface that allows users to easily navigate it. Pretty much every Mountain Lion feature is simply bringing iOS to Mac OS. I think it's all evidence that the current Mac OS is beginning to bog down Apple's business. Apple is doing everything they can to turn Mac OS into iOS, and one day in the not-so-distant future the transition will complete.
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And it makes no sense for Apple to release an AppleTV that can output 720p until they have iTS content that is also 1080p. Now I've heard that they have secured many of the rights thus far and have getting content owners to upload 1080p content in whatever bitrate was agreed upon. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an extra $1 per video over 720p if it's a substantial increase in the file size, but if they follow other distributors that claim 1080p but with bitrates around Apple's 720p (or worse) then I assume it will cost the same.

With a sophisticated codec and enough CPU/GPU compute power and RAM at the receiving end (the ATV3) Apple could drop intermediate frames, compress, stream/download on the server -- then decompress regen dropped frames on the ATV3.

I did some quick experiments and dropping 50% of the frames at 25 FPS, then compressing, reduces the file size (bandwidth requirements) by about 80%.

Apple has some very sophisticated algorithms, like Optical Flow, that, in many cases, do a very good job of generating missing frames. This is normally used to slow video without jerkiness and artifacts. Something like Optical Flow could be repurposed (with hinting) to drop and later regenerate frames with little effect on video quality -- and massive reduction of file size/bandwidth.

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post #137 of 274
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Apple is doing everything they can to turn Mac OS into iOS, and one day in the not-so-distant future the transition will complete.

Then it needs to be lighter, slimmer, require less RAM, and be blisteringly faster overall.

I don't like the connotation that "Mac iOS" brings. "OS XI" implies a continuation of OS' designed for desktop use, but allows for the introduction of a new interaction paradigm. Then iOS can be rewritten under the OS XI code base while keeping the same name.

"iPhone runs OS X," was the line in January 2007.

"iPhone 8 runs OS XI" should be the line in 2014.

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post #138 of 274
I hope they come out with a new Mac Pro by the time this release drops. Unfortunately we have quite a few machines that apparently will not be upgradable according to the reports.

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A good example of metaphor inflation.©Flaneur, 2012

Edit: Actually I see that I was anticipated at this curious website: http://www.thirdworldcounty.us/?p=10591

Then there is the story of the girl who had circles all over her body... People kept touching her with a ten-foot pole
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post #140 of 274
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I don't like the connotation that "Mac iOS" brings. "OS XI" implies a continuation of OS' designed for desktop use, but allows for the introduction of a new interaction paradigm. Then iOS can be rewritten under the OS XI code base while keeping the same name.

What exactly are you losing if the Mac OS goes away? Taking into account the inevitable increase in sophistication that will come to iOS.
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Then it needs to be lighter, slimmer, require less RAM, and be blisteringly faster overall.

I don't like the connotation that "Mac iOS" brings. "OS XI" implies a continuation of OS' designed for desktop use, but allows for the introduction of a new interaction paradigm. Then iOS can be rewritten under the OS XI code base while keeping the same name.

"iPhone runs OS X," was the line in January 2007.

"iPhone 8 runs OS XI" should be the line in 2014.

Perhaps OSX Everywhere...

Xx86 and XOA

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What's that icon where Spotlight used to be?

The icon to which you refer is the Notification Center icon. If you click the icon the desktop slides to the left and approximately 20% of the current screen becomes hidden while the notification center replaces said desktop real estate.
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What exactly are you losing if the Mac OS goes away? Taking into account the inevitable increase in sophistication that will come to iOS.

For one: Multiple resizable, overlapping windows open at the same time -- the ability to drag and drop from one to the other.

When you think about it, in many situations you can be more productive with multiple windows.

When MS previewed Windows 8 on a tablet, they showed the ability to drag a second app to half of the display which was then shared among the 2 apps... interesting!

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post #144 of 274
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For one: Multiple resizable, overlapping windows open at the same time -- the ability to drag and drop from one to the other.

When you think about it, in many situations you can be more productive with multiple windows.

When MS previewed Windows 8 on a tablet, they showed the ability to drag a second app to half of the display which was then shared among the 2 apps... interesting!


I agree that this is important and very useful. But it's really just a feature that can be added to iOS in a clever way, not a reason that Mac OS should linger around.
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Sweet

Safari has a universal URL/search bar now. Finally

The schizo Software Update versus Mac App Store update dichotomy is gone.

VIP settings in Mail.

I'm upgrading right away.
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I agree that this is important and very useful. But it's really just a feature that can be added to iOS in a clever way, not a reason that Mac OS should linger around.

Mac OS is a lot more than just one aspect of Aqua UI you pulled out.

Note that just because MS calls everything Windows doesn't mean they are same at their core. Windows Phone is not Windows desktop!

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Not really now it's going to be "Mountain Lion will see an end to OS X!" heh

I'm waiting for OS X 10.9 Dingos Ate Your Baby edition.

well, the mountain lion is actually the same spices as the puma (OS X 10.1), and the panther too (OS X 10.3). so Apple is really fudging its nomenclature now. and so is the cougar, which it hasn't used yet. so we're good for one more big bump to OS X 10.9 after this. but then ...

probably OS X.X and no more kitties.
post #148 of 274
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And all Core 2 Duos can boot into a 64-bit kernel. So if they're dropping support for some Macs that happened to ship with a Core 2 Duo, then they are doing it for a different reason.


Not according to what I have read.

Older Core 2 Duos are considered 64 bit in that they can run 64 bit applications but the kernel is not running in 64 bit.

Look in your Activity Monitor for kernel_task


About mid way down on this page is a list of capable 64 bit kernel machines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard

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post #149 of 274
IMO,

If Apple is dropping support for some 64-bit Mac's, it's probably has to do entirely with the Video or CPU features. Like they're probably dropping support for the systems that can't do OpenGL.

The White iMac's have GMA, Radeon 1600(OpenCL added during the 4000 series) or Geforce 7300GT (OpenCL was added during the 8600M series) but this doesn't exactly make sense since the ATI models in the next set of iMac's are the ATI 2600HD, and don't support OpenCL either.

The other possibility that came to mind was Intel VT-x support for hardware assisted sandboxing or something, but the C2D polycarbonite iMac's have C2D's that support this.

So in looking at the cut offs...

iMac (mid 2007 or later)
- Has HD2600 or better

MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
Has Geforce 9400M or better

MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, 2.4/2.2 GHz), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later) are all models with the Geforce 9400M or better (assuming intel's video isn't laughable)

MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later) - Are Geforce 9400M or better
Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later) - Geforce 9400M or better
Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later) - Radeon HD 2600 XT or better
Xserve (Early 2009) , no idea.

So all that's been established is that only the models using Geforce 9400M or Radeon HD2600 are supported (or the HD Graphics that are part of the Core i5/i7 series)

Though it seems that if it was for OpenCL, that doesn't quite fit. The only fitting answer is that they don't want to support the GMA and any GPU older than the Geforce 9400M and Radeon HD2600
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Can anyone with Developer Preview comment whether they unfucked Expose?
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post #151 of 274
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well, the mountain lion is actually the same spices as the puma (OS X 10.1), and the panther too (OS X 10.3). so Apple is really fudging its nomenclature now. and so is the cougar, which it hasn't used yet. so we're good for one more big bump to OS X 10.9 after this. but then ...

probably OS X.X and no more kitties.

In all fairness it was fudged from the start. Since each version of Mac OS X is an evolutionary step off each other using separate species that diverged eons ago doesn't make sense unless... unless they are just code names.

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post #152 of 274
maybe already covered in this long thread, but what major features of iOS are still missing from OS.X after Mountain Lion? is this the ultimate integration?
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I predict that the Apple OS naming convention will evenutually be iOS and xOS.
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Mac OS is a lot more than just one aspect of Aqua UI you pulled out.

Note that just because MS calls everything Windows doesn't mean they are same at their core. Windows Phone is not Windows desktop!

I didn't fetch that example, it was another poster. Sorry, I don't get your point?
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In all fairness it was fudged from the start. Since each version of Mac OS X is an evolutionary step off each other using separate species that diverged eons ago doesn't make sense unless... unless they are just code names.

yeah, marketing computer OS's is like naming car models. Apple's got big cats. Google's got candies. MS has got ... well, how do you classify Vista and Metro? basically ad slogans.
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I don't see a problem with this forced move. Consumers get a more reliable product. Developers get a better platform to sell that product.

The new "Allow applications downloaded from:" feature is actually the opposite of what the poster to whom you are responding is stating. The new "Allow applications downloaded from:" is a new feature for iOS 6 as well which will officially allow non-iTunes approved applications on iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch.

Apple prefers users to use the Mac App Store and iTunes App Store but pressures have caused Apple to reconsider their "walled garden" approach. The current default in Mac OS X (Mountain Lion) is to allow applications downloaded from anywhere but for iOS the iTunes App Store will be the default.

Apple is slowly but steadily removing restrictions from iOS. Once iOS 6 no longer requires jailbreaking for non-Apple approved apps and provides the best in class Mapping and Navigation app, Fandroids can no longer dispute which smartphone OS is best. While I don't expect Fandroids to admit Apple iOS superiority, only virulent Fandroids should have any reluctance to adopt Apple products.
post #157 of 274
A release in and of itself hints at nothing. Considering what Lion was I found it to be one of Apples best releases yet. Perfect nO but far better than some Mac OS/X releases.

Now being cautious is always a good idea, so I'm not saying jump into a release the first minute it is out. Instead you should have a sound idea of its suitability for your use within a few weeks of release. If you think long and hard about it, using your logic, Mountain Lion wouldn't be useful for you at all.

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I decided to hold off on 10.7 because the new feature list was long enough to hint at bugs and incompatibilities. This may be the one to go for. I'll be watching for reviews and bug reports.

You make no sense here.
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yeah, marketing computer OS's is like naming car models. Apple's got big cats. Google's got candies. MS has got ... well, how do you classify Vista and Metro? basically ad slogans.


Check out the Red Hat naming conventions:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Red_Hat_Linux

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Apple is doing everything they can to turn Mac OS into iOS, and one day in the not-so-distant future the transition will complete.

I doubt that will happen. IOS would be bloated with a whole bunch of features that are impractical on a tiny screen. And the Mac would be unnecessarily limited given the power of the hardware and its general production versatility.

What will continue to happen is that MacOS will borrow from IOS. I wonder if Apple will develop SimpleFinder further. In many ways Simple Finder is already closer to IOS and for a lot of people a simplified GUI IOS style (one document only visible at any one time, for instance), would be very helpful.
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I guess young men would go for Cougar as an OS.

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well, the mountain lion is actually the same spices as the puma (OS X 10.1), and the panther too (OS X 10.3). so Apple is really fudging its nomenclature now. and so is the cougar, which it hasn't used yet. so we're good for one more big bump to OS X 10.9 after this. but then ...

probably OS X.X and no more kitties.
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