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post #161 of 274
2/16/12 at 10:54am
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I doubt that will happen. IOS would be bloated with a whole bunch of features that are impractical on a tiny screen. And the Mac would be unnecessarily limited given the power of the hardware and its general production versatility.

What will continue to happen is that MacOS will borrow from IOS. I wonder if Apple will develop SimpleFinder further. In many ways Simple Finder is already closer to IOS and for a lot of people a simplified GUI IOS style (one document only visible at any one time, for instance), would be very helpful.

It'll continue to borrow forever?

If Apple makes the Mac iOS interface akin to iMovie or Final Cut Pro x, the interface will be only need to be slightly modified (as it already is between the iPhone and iPad) to work on all devices.
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post #162 of 274
2/16/12 at 10:55am
Having that real GPU has allowed me a longer usable life span for my MBP than I would have had otherwise. Descrete GPUs are highly reccomended even today.

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IMO,

If Apple is dropping support for some 64-bit Mac's, it's probably has to do entirely with the Video or CPU features. Like they're probably dropping support for the systems that can't do OpenGL.

The White iMac's have GMA, Radeon 1600(OpenCL added during the 4000 series) or Geforce 7300GT (OpenCL was added during the 8600M series) but this doesn't exactly make sense since the ATI models in the next set of iMac's are the ATI 2600HD, and don't support OpenCL either.

The other possibility that came to mind was Intel VT-x support for hardware assisted sandboxing or something, but the C2D polycarbonite iMac's have C2D's that support this.

So in looking at the cut offs...

iMac (mid 2007 or later)
- Has HD2600 or better

MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
Has Geforce 9400M or better

MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, 2.4/2.2 GHz), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later) are all models with the Geforce 9400M or better (assuming intel's video isn't laughable)

MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later) - Are Geforce 9400M or better
Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later) - Geforce 9400M or better
Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later) - Radeon HD 2600 XT or better
Xserve (Early 2009) , no idea.

So all that's been established is that only the models using Geforce 9400M or Radeon HD2600 are supported (or the HD Graphics that are part of the Core i5/i7 series)

Though it seems that if it was for OpenCL, that doesn't quite fit. The only fitting answer is that they don't want to support the GMA and any GPU older than the Geforce 9400M and Radeon HD2600
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post #163 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:04am
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The icon to which you refer is the Notification Center icon. If you click the icon the desktop slides to the left and approximately 20% of the current screen becomes hidden while the notification center replaces said desktop real estate.

Hopefully that can be activated by a gesture. Gestures are just so much quicker on a trackpad.
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post #164 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:14am
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It'll continue to borrow forever?

Yes, there will never be a final absolute ultimate iteration of either GUI
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If Apple makes the Mac iOS interface akin to iMovie or Final Cut Pro x, the interface will be only need to be slightly modified (as it already is between the iPhone and iPad) to work on all devices.

It will still need to be different because the screen sizes are different. iMOVIE and FCP on OSX have a menu bar, remember.
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post #165 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:19am
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Hopefully that can be activated by a gesture. Gestures are just so much quicker on a trackpad.

Great thought.

I couldn't ascribe any clicks, gestures or taps with either the default system preferences or BetterTouchToo. Additionally, I tried create a workflow using Automator but was unsuccessful.

I will submit that feedback.
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post #166 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:21am
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post #167 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

maybe already covered in this long thread, but what major features of iOS are still missing from OS.X after Mountain Lion? is this the ultimate integration?

True touch support (i.e. a multi-touch display, not a trackpad).

But it's debatable whether that'll ever be practical, as it may not be best suited for the form factor of PCs.
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post #168 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

For one: Multiple resizable, overlapping windows open at the same time -- the ability to drag and drop from one to the other.

When you think about it, in many situations you can be more productive with multiple windows.

When MS previewed Windows 8 on a tablet, they showed the ability to drag a second app to half of the display which was then shared among the 2 apps... interesting!


That's true. But there's nothing set in stone that says iOS can't do that. Look at how the iPad has a slightly different UI than the iPhone, despite running the same OS.

The reason why iOS is limited right now is so as to maximize the form factor and make things easier to use.
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post #169 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:24am
Thinking out loud here...

AirPlay....

First iPhone/Touch/iPad AirPlay to ATV2

Now, add Mac AirPlay to ATV2

Soon ATV3...

So the infrastructure will soon be in place that any Apple device, Mac or iDevice, will be able to AirPlay to an humongous display connected to an ATV3.

And AirPlay is something that ATV3 will pull from a device as opposed to receiving it.

What room couldn't/wouldn't take advantage of this capability?

Class room, board room, meeting room, war room, game room, operating room, living room, lecture room, training room, room, lecture room, baby's room...


I can remember -- it was a very, very big deal when each class room got a Color TV and A VCR -- or a preso/board room had a reverse screen projector.


I can see this being a no-brainer... Why wouldn't you spend $99 to attach an ATV to any (every) HDTV -- if only to be able to pull AirPlay to it?
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post #170 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:30am
To your point the release notes explicitly state that no 32-bit kernel extensions will be supported.

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As we suggested might happen in our Lion review, Mountain Lion's developer preview appears to do away with support for any Mac that cannot boot into OS X's 64-bit kernel.
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post #171 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:37am
The last thing I want is my Mac to be more like my iPod. Crossing fingers that Apple doesn't screw this up...
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post #172 of 274
2/16/12 at 11:40am
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I can see this being a no-brainer... Why wouldn't you spend $99 to attach an ATV to any (every) HDTV -- if only to be able to pull AirPlay to it?

Agreed it's a not brainer. Every HDTV display become a larger display for your Mac now as well as iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch.

I suspect that the ATV will become more and more of a presenter's tool and tossed in the bag with other items.

I'm looking forward to buying video content and keeping it in the cloud so that I can just access it from a bunch of different devices.

One thing is for sure. 802.11ac is going to be a necessity sooner rather than later.
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post #173 of 274
2/16/12 at 12:21pm
1 year, a new app and a few tweaks, plus a shitload of security fixes? Sounds like while Windows users get a whole new user interface and touch functionality, Apple users will be buying what MS give away for free, a service pack.
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post #174 of 274
2/16/12 at 12:26pm
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I would expect it to be added before release. You have to keep in mind that they have to make a deal with publishers to allow this.

No they dont! If they sold me the content, why cant I read it on a laptop? thats like saying that Walmart has to get differant rights to sell a DVD to watch on my laptop vs my big screen, that cant be right...
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post #175 of 274
2/16/12 at 12:28pm
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1 year, a new app and a few tweaks, plus a shitload of security fixes? Sounds like while Windows users get a whole new user interface and touch functionality, Apple users will be buying what MS give away for free, a service pack.

That's one of the oldest trolling points in the book.
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post #176 of 274
2/16/12 at 12:37pm
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1 year, a new app and a few tweaks, plus a shitload of security fixes? Sounds like while Windows users get a whole new user interface and touch functionality, Apple users will be buying what MS give away for free, a service pack.

Ok, smart ass, go ahead and take the retail price of Windows best consumer version of Windows 7 and divide that cost by the number of Service Packs it gets before Windows 8 comes out. Now compare that to the $29 for each retail cost of Mac OS X for it's best consumer version between the same time frames. Can you guess which one is cheaper?

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post #177 of 274
2/16/12 at 12:39pm
I see OSX is finally catching up to desktop Linux distributions, which have had most of these features for some time.
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post #178 of 274
2/16/12 at 12:53pm
Wow. Did anyone see this coming today? Didn't think I could be surprised anymore. Impressive.
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post #179 of 274
2/16/12 at 12:54pm
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I see OSX is finally catching up to desktop Linux distributions, which have had most of these features for some time.

These posts crack me up. having a rudimentary version of something and having something that is well integrated and usable are two different things.

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post #180 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:01pm
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True touch support (i.e. a multi-touch display, not a trackpad).

But it's debatable whether that'll ever be practical, as it may not be best suited for the form factor of PCs.

right that's not in ML, nor the ability to run iOS apps like widgets. i don't think we'll ever see that in OS X. just seamless integration of what the apps actually do (not the UI) between iOS and OS X. so you start with one and can pick up and finish with the other or vice versa, via iCloud. i get the impression Mountain Lion opens up API's for third party apps to do this too, yes?

didn't mention it, but i certainly do expect Siri to be added to ML for its release. Apple is just saving that news for a big splash at WWDC. Siri will also be coming out of beta by then and probably with a lot more abilities added too.
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post #181 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:03pm
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By iOS-esque I hope he means price too. The last OS X upgrade cost $29. iOS upgrades don't cost a thing.

Lol. Complaining about $29/year for OS updates...
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post #182 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:04pm
btw, didn't anyone notice that Apple released this ML developer preview just two weeks before MS will release its Windows 8 consumer preview at the MWC?

not that Apple would want to steal the show from them ...
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post #183 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:07pm
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btw, didn't anyone notice that Apple released this ML developer preview just two weeks before MS will release its Windows 8 consumer preview at the MWC?

not that Apple would want to steal the show from them ...

Usually they seem to come out right after someone else makes an announcement which sucks all the oxygen out of the room, so to speak, but I don't think they had that luxury this time around. Perhaps not entirely but I think the timing was more to put it between their events. In this case iBooks Author and the iPad/AppleTV/iPod/iTunes event in early March.

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post #184 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:17pm
Even microsoft followed vista with windows 7...

Touting a reminders app and a notes app, twitter integration, and a couple of safari tweaks as new features...

Hasn't ANYONE in the os x team have ANY vision whatsoever? Does no one have any guts to stand up and say, what the hell are we releasing as a new os?

Or is the vision to just morph os x to ios so more iphone users can buy macs?

Ghastly news...
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post #185 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:37pm
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The first Core 2 chips can't boot to 64-bit EFI. If they're not in the dev previews, they won't be in the final.

They can:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773
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post #186 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:38pm
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Even microsoft followed vista with windows 7...

Touting a reminders app and a notes app, twitter integration, and a couple of safari tweaks as new features...

Hasn't ANYONE in the os x team have ANY vision whatsoever? Does no one have any guts to stand up and say, what the hell are we releasing as a new os?

Or is the vision to just morph os x to ios so more iphone users can buy macs?

Ghastly news...

Take a step back and realize you're complaining about an update you don't have to install, pay attention to, or even care about at all.
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post #187 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:48pm
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Even microsoft followed vista with windows 7...

Touting a reminders app and a notes app, twitter integration, and a couple of safari tweaks as new features...

Hasn't ANYONE in the os x team have ANY vision whatsoever? Does no one have any guts to stand up and say, what the hell are we releasing as a new os?

Or is the vision to just morph os x to ios so more iphone users can buy macs?

Ghastly news...

You can't seem to get beyond a glossy screen versus matte. Why should we expect you to glean anything on a more technical level?
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post #188 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:51pm
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They can:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773

Oh, neat (except that link doesn't actually say anything about any of those devices being able to do that…)

But they're still not going to work with Mountain Lion. If it's not supported by the Developer Preview, it's not going to be supported.
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post #189 of 274
2/16/12 at 1:58pm
I'm hoping that Apple's addition of Game Center to ML, along with the "new graphics underpinnings" supports better performance for high end games that significantly utilize the dedicated ATI hardware Apple has been touting for years. I've always been hesitant to switch to Macs for gaming only because I tend to play system-taxing games that would be held back by the performance of the video drivers on the Mac. Otherwise, a MacBook Pro or Mac Pro would be stellar systems for 3D games.

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2/16/12 at 2:05pm
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Ghastly news...

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2/16/12 at 2:31pm
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Then there is the story of the girl who had circles all over her body... People kept touching her with a ten-foot pole

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post #192 of 274
2/16/12 at 2:38pm
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Thinking out loud here...

AirPlay....

First iPhone/Touch/iPad AirPlay to ATV2

Now, add Mac AirPlay to ATV2

Soon ATV3...

So the infrastructure will soon be in place that any Apple device, Mac or iDevice, will be able to AirPlay to an humongous display connected to an ATV3.

And AirPlay is something that ATV3 will pull from a device as opposed to receiving it.

What room couldn't/wouldn't take advantage of this capability?

Class room, board room, meeting room, war room, game room, operating room, living room, lecture room, training room, room, lecture room, baby's room...


I can remember -- it was a very, very big deal when each class room got a Color TV and A VCR -- or a preso/board room had a reverse screen projector.


I can see this being a no-brainer... Why wouldn't you spend $99 to attach an ATV to any (every) HDTV -- if only to be able to pull AirPlay to it?

What we also need, methinks, is the ability to stream from one computer or iPad to many iPads or iPhones simultaneously. Maybe we can already via some app or other?
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post #193 of 274
2/16/12 at 2:58pm
If I have one complaint it's that I expected all this stuff to come with Lion last year.

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post #194 of 274
2/16/12 at 3:06pm
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So that's a load of features I don't need. But is it going to work faster and more reliably?

You THINK you don't need.

From an iOS user this update is a really welcome one. The syncs will be more on its place, with notes in its own application, Messages, Notifications, everything is just what all want.

Perfect move from Apple. Never sleep.
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post #195 of 274
2/16/12 at 3:14pm
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Even microsoft followed vista with windows 7...

Touting a reminders app and a notes app, twitter integration, and a couple of safari tweaks as new features...

Hasn't ANYONE in the os x team have ANY vision whatsoever? Does no one have any guts to stand up and say, what the hell are we releasing as a new os?

Or is the vision to just morph os x to ios so more iphone users can buy macs?

Ghastly news...

Ok so now we're supposed to be outraged that Apple is still putting major attention on OSX and we'll have new features sooner than we ever expected. Last week it was outrage that Apple has 'abandoned' OSX.

Let me know guys, its tough to keep up.
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post #196 of 274
2/16/12 at 3:22pm
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I see OSX is finally catching up to desktop Linux distributions, which have had most of these features for some time.

OSX is 'catching up' to shitily-implemented features in an OS that nobody uses. Good for linux.

I propose we start a petition, so we can solve this outrage. For their next OS, we should petition Apple to include every single feature and every single implementation of said feature that is available on every single OS out there, both in their current forms, and also any feature that might also be included in any other OS in the future, spanning an infinite timeframe. This way, APple will never need to 'catch-up'.

ML has really brought out the stupid today.
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post #197 of 274
2/16/12 at 3:23pm
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Ok so now we're supposed to be outraged that Apple is still putting major attention on OSX and we'll have new features sooner than we ever expected. Last week it was outrage that Apple has 'abandoned' OSX.

Let me know guys, its tough to keep up.

It's fucking insane how some people react.

"Apple is focusing on Mac OS faster and more heavily than we expected? That reminds me: How dare they not focus on the Mac." and "Apple is adding new features while not taking away old features? That reminds me: How dare they take away old features."

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post #198 of 274
2/16/12 at 3:36pm
"Incredibly successful release of Lion"? There's a 150-page "discussion" on the Apple Forum, one of several such threads, that indicate the release was anything but successful. Sure, if you blatanltly misrepresent a weak product, people are going to buy it based on their expectations from the past. For Apple to try and ignore what's gone down with Lion is outrageous.

And oh, how we so love those great iPad and iOS operating systems. Buy me an app for my birthday! And who can live without "Siri"? Systems designed for children.

Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce, unable or unwilling to respond to its still-hopeful computer users who want to remain a a part of the dream. But whose dream? They know what we need so much better than we do ourselves..

Maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere -- or for Apple to cut loose the Mac division and let it sink or swim without the baggage of the digital toys. Keep the compatibility but lose the lame interface designs and performance. I bet it -- and we -- would do just fine.
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2/16/12 at 3:39pm
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Maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere -- or for Apple to cut loose the Mac division and let it sink or swim without the baggage of the digital toys. Keep the compatibility but lose the lame interface designs and performance. I bet it -- and we -- would do just fine.

I agree that you should start looking elsewhere.

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2/16/12 at 3:45pm
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So that's a load of features I don't need. But is it going to work faster and more reliably?

Right. Features that further degrade the Mac experience, that blend it into an "Apple experience" mush, are features that can be done without. I don't want my Apple Mail to look like an iPhone list. What about new ideas beyond cellphones?
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