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post #81 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:00am
Just before its public release, and if the server farm can support it--they will announce "one more thing..." -- Siri!
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post #82 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:05am
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And all Core 2 Duos can boot into a 64-bit kernel. So if they're dropping support for some Macs that happened to ship with a Core 2 Duo, then they are doing it for a different reason.

while the CPUs are 64 bit, some of the systems are not capable of full 64 bit kernels due to other limitations, mostly in the EFI. There is a lot more to running a 64 bit machine than just the CPU.

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I think Gatekeeper is a feature to developers who go through the approval process of the Mac App Store. It gives consumers an outlet that is even more reliable option (ie. shopping at the Apple Store vs. Craigslist). The option to make apps and distribute them out of the App Store is still available, but it's looking a lot less desirable now...

Here is what is happening... Apple wants to force the Mac App Store on everyone. It knows its users and developers don't want to be forced and it would backlash on them. So they are slowly working their way to get it done using psychology. They are convincing all their users that it was the users idea themselves to only use the Mac App Store... you don't feel like your forced if you were convinced it was your idea in the first place. Once all the users are there, the Developers will be forced to follow, or they won't have any users for their apps.
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post #83 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:07am
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while the CPUs are 64 bit, some of the systems are not capable of full 64 bit kernels due to other limitations, mostly in the EFI. There is a lot more to running a 64 bit machine than just the CPU.

True dat.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3770
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post #84 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:09am
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Eh, I'm a bit underwhelmed too. Nothing here really enhances my daily use cases. It would be nice if they spent time overhauling iTunes, Safari, Finder, network drive mounting, or Mac OS Server. iTunes badly needs a major update. Hopefully they will at least add Siri.

It would be great if OSX apps could communicate and sync with your iPhone. Want to plan a trip to NY? Do it on your iPad or laptop and have the plan sync with Maps on your phone. They should come up with a way for 3rd party apps to communicate and sync too so your trip can be sent to the TomTom app or Navigon. Siri also needs to be able to communicate with 3rd party apps and this should be done on OSX and iOS all synced between all your devices. Ask Siri to add a reminder on your laptop and it should remind you on your iPhone too.

What you describe around syncing is already available in iCloud, and Mountain Lion will include Messages, Contacts, Reminders, and Notes that all sync across any iCloud enabled devices.

As for expanded Siri support, my prediction (worth exactly what you've paid for it) is that a Siri integration API will eventually appear. I don't think Apple feels comfortable doing that yet because they still have availability issues with the Siri service.
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post #85 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by hypercommunist View Post

True dat.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3770

That is not evidence that any Core 2 Duos are going to be dropped in the move from Lion to Mountain Lion, regardless of how the dev preview behaves.
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post #86 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:14am
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Here is what is happening... Apple wants to force the Mac App Store on everyone. It knows its users and developers don't want to be forced and it would backlash on them. So they are slowly working their way to get it done using psychology. They are convincing all their users that it was the users idea themselves to only use the Mac App Store... you don't feel like your forced if you were convinced it was your idea in the first place. Once all the users are there, the Developers will be forced to follow, or they won't have any users for their apps.

I don't see a problem with this forced move. Consumers get a more reliable product. Developers get a better platform to sell that product.
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post #87 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:16am
Any hope that autosave+versions will be a configurable setting in Mountain Lion?
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post #88 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:18am
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That is not evidence that any Core 2 Duos are going to be dropped in the move from Lion to Mountain Lion, regardless of how the dev preview behaves.

The Developer Previews for Lion dropped Core machines. You don't see them back.

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I don't see a problem with this forced move. Consumers get a more reliable product. Developers get a better platform to sell that product.

My computer. I install what I want if I so choose.
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post #89 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:18am
Yeah, Siri is a big omission for right now and you would think it would be a real opportunity since most of us weren't thinking that 10.8 would be available before 2013. There's still time to include it I reckon....Siri for iOS was trotted out at the last minute.
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post #90 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:20am
Apple has a habit of doubling the required amount of memory every release or so. Let's hope this isn't the case with Mountain Lion.


Cheetah/Puma/Jaguar/Panther - 128MB
Tiger - 256MB
Leopard - 512MB
Snow Leopard - 1GB
Lion - 2GB

iPod nano 5th Gen 8GB Orange, iPad 3rd Gen WiFi 32GB White
MacBook Pro 15" Core i7 2.66GHz 8GB RAM 120GB Intel 320M
Mac mini Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz 8GB RAM, iPhone 5 32GB Black

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iPod nano 5th Gen 8GB Orange, iPad 3rd Gen WiFi 32GB White
MacBook Pro 15" Core i7 2.66GHz 8GB RAM 120GB Intel 320M
Mac mini Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz 8GB RAM, iPhone 5 32GB Black

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post #91 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:22am
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Yeah, Siri is a big omission for right now and you would think it would be a real opportunity since most of us weren't thinking that 10.8 would be available before 2013. There's still time to include it I reckon....Siri for iOS was trotted out at the last minute.

"Trotted ou"? It's an iPhone 4S feature, not an iOS feature. How in the world is 'One More Thing' supposed to equal "trotted out at the last minute"?
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post #92 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:26am
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They should FIX THE EFFING ADDRESS BOOK!

Whats wrong with it like?
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post #93 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post

Eh, I'm a bit underwhelmed too. Nothing here really enhances my daily use cases. It would be nice if they spent time overhauling iTunes, Safari, Finder, network drive mounting, or Mac OS Server. iTunes badly needs a major update. Hopefully they will at least add Siri.

It would be great if OSX apps could communicate and sync with your iPhone. Want to plan a trip to NY? Do it on your iPad or laptop and have the plan sync with Maps on your phone. They should come up with a way for 3rd party apps to communicate and sync too so your trip can be sent to the TomTom app or Navigon. Siri also needs to be able to communicate with 3rd party apps and this should be done on OSX and iOS all synced between all your devices. Ask Siri to add a reminder on your laptop and it should remind you on your iPhone too.

I think the next OSX will see a significant UI and underpinnings update. A year is not enough for that. This release does what it needs to do, which is provide powerful new integration with iOS, which most people will benefit from. I know absolutely noone with just a mac and no iOS device. These are features that will tangibly benefit a great many people.
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post #94 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:30am
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The Developer Previews for Lion dropped Core machines. You don't see them back.



My computer. I install what I want if I so choose.

The Core 2 Duo chip is 64bit, the 'Core' systems were 32bit, thats why they are not supported for Lion. Core 2 Duo will be fine with ML
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post #95 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:31am
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The Core 2 Duo chip is 64bit, the 'Core' systems were 32bit, thats why they are not supported for Lion.

And that was an arbitrary limit applied by Apple.

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Core 2 Duo will be fine with ML

The first Core 2 chips can't boot to 64-bit EFI. If they're not in the dev previews, they won't be in the final.
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post #96 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:36am
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Apple on Thursday announced Mac OS X 10.8, dubbed "Mountain Lion," the next major release of its Mac operating system, set to launch on the Mac App Store this summer, with a preview now available for Mac developers. ...

My only hope (and it's probably a long shot) is that they get rid of, or give us a way to disable ... "versions."

I'm not one of those people that instantly disabled most of Lion's features to make it work like Snow Leopard and I've tried over and over again to work with the idea of versions, but it's just impossible for my work flow. I need to be in control of my files.

Also, I use "Preview" almost daily, and the way they dumbed it down in Lion is annoying at best. I don't like to replace such a key part of the OS with a third party solution, if they just gave the power users some options for control they could leave the idiot proof stuff as the default and it would all be so much better.
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post #97 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:37am
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And "Mountain Lion"? Really? When I first heard it, I thought it was a joke. That makes three Apple OS releases that are basically the same animal (Puma, Panther, Mountain Lion).

Mountain Lion makes sense. It implies that it is Lion, but more. More as in added features but the core OS remains the same.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

They should FIX THE EFFING ADDRESS BOOK!

Its not really broken, just not great. Usability-wise it is clunky as hell. If you use keyboard shortcuts its a lot better but it would be great to be able to click some buttons at the top of the app to invoke some of the commands (like in every other app)

I am also with Solip in wanting an integrated Calendar, Address book solution like Outlook.
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post #98 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:38am
Can't wait to have my $2500+ laptop act just like a $49 cell phone. Oh joy.
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post #99 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:41am
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Can't wait to have my $2500+ laptop act just like a $49 cell phone. Oh joy.

So don't upgrade if you enjoy pretending that this is in any way the case. But when you're THAT wrong, just don't whine about it here, either.
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post #100 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The Developer Previews for Lion dropped Core machines. You don't see them back.

Yes, for the reason already mentioned, and this is not the same scenario as with Mountain Lion.

They may perfectly well drop support for 2007-era Macs (don't own any; don't care) but from a user experience and business perspective, it'd be odd to not be able to install 10.8 from the App Store when you installed 10.7 just fine less than a year earlier. Odd, but certainly possible given Apple's history of artificial restrictions.

Anyway, I hope they don't delay the new Macbooks for this OS. I don't see a single thing previewed so far making me significantly more productive (only more distracted). Finder is still virtually unchanged from 10 years ago, can we get a little UI innovation there please? Oh right, we're not supposed to know about files any more.
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post #101 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:44am
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My only hope (and it's probably a long shot) is that they get rid of, or give us a way to disable ... "versions."

I'm not one of those people that instantly disabled most of Lion's features to make it work like Snow Leopard and I've tried over and over again to work with the idea of versions, but it's just impossible for my work flow. I need to be in control of my files.

Also, I use "Preview" almost daily, and the way they dumbed it down in Lion is annoying at best. I don't like to replace such a key part of the OS with a third party solution, if they just gave the power users some options for control they could leave the idiot proof stuff as the default and it would all be so much better.

Version don't bother me so much. But each time I open an app I have 5 - 20 windows all over the place. I hate that.

I also use Preview all the time but I am happy with it. What did they dumb down?

Btw - over at MacWorld they posted a Terminal prompt to enable text selection in QuickLook. Its awesome.
To make text selectable in Quick Look previews, you just need to enable a hidden Finder setting. Select and copy the code below, open Terminal (/Applications/Utilities), paste that code at the prompt, then press Return:

defaults write com.apple.finder QLEnableTextSelection -bool TRUE; killall Finder

After a second or two, the Finder will restart. Once it does, you'll be able to select text in Quick Look previews and copy it to the Clipboard for use elsewhere.

If you decide you dont deserve to select text in Quick Look, you can turn this feature off with another Terminal command:

defaults delete com.apple.finder QLEnableTextSelection; killall Finder
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post #102 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:45am
Very well done here.

It appears that Lion was never going to be the iCloud savvy OS that I had imagined and that Mtn Lion will be that creature.

I, for one, like the iOSification of OS X. I believe the mobile devices to be the breeding ground for new UI conventions and I've really grown accustomed to the workflow on iOS and with gestures now becoming important on both devices this melding of UI is a good thing.

Looks like I won't have to load my system up with extensions like Growl and we now have a nice syncing tool for notes that supports pictures.

One thing I noticed that I really like is the ability to pick up from where you left off on iMessage. I learned the hard way that today things aren't quite so seamless.

I welcome the new annual upgrades to OS X
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post #103 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:47am
This makes me wonder if this will be the last major version of Mac OS X before they introduce a new OS direction — that in all honesty is just more of the same direction*— in 2013 for release in 2014.


PS: Nailed the name!

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Apple has a habit of doubling the required amount of memory every release or so. Let's hope this isn't the case with Mountain Lion.


Cheetah/Puma/Jaguar/Panther - 128MB
Tiger - 256MB
Leopard - 512MB
Snow Leopard - 1GB
Lion - 2GB

Not going to happen of most of the new MBAs wouldn't make the cut.

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post #104 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:50am
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defaults write com.apple.finder QLEnableTextSelection -bool TRUE; killall Finder

That is damn handy.
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post #105 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:52am
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Wow, still only 720p. Sad.

Yes, flawless wireless streaming and mirrored content at only 720p? Sad.
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post #106 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:52am
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Cook talked about the halo effect from the iPhone being much stronger than the iPod's ever was. This OSX update is going to drive a HUGE halo effect. The driver of the halo effect won't change, but the back end conversion rate will.

Once the person is driven into an Apple store by the "this device is awesome -- I want to see what else they make", having all these familiar apps and features (messages, reminders and notification center are probably the biggest in this regard) is going to be incredibly compelling.

Great news for shareholders.

Perhaps later, but not today. Down to $491. But my guess was Renaissance Capital want some cash in a hurry and sold lots stock. Could be that Greek Default talk drags on for another week, Renaissance' client got cold feet and want to cash out now. So the fund sell some AAPL. Happens all the time.

I'm going to assume that any AAPL blip from now until end of March happens from some investment banks and big funds want lots of cash fast. Apple stock is a kind of a piggy bank now...

Back again in Friday then. We should know more why there is a blip today.
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post #107 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:53am
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Can't wait to have my $2500+ laptop act just like a $49 cell phone. Oh joy.

Yes, because ADDING features will obviously do as you stated. Idiotic post of the day.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, what is the vision and direction you see for OSX, seriously? To make it LESS integrated and compatible with iOS? To NOT take advantage of iCloud and syncing? What features do you think most people need or want? My guess is that you don't really have a clue. If you do, give us a list of 10 features that you think Apple should add to OSX that would benefit most consumers.
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post #108 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:55am
Almost totally unrelated (but not completely), ENIAC turned 66 today. For some of the youngsters here, just Google the name.

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post #109 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:55am
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Apple has a habit of doubling the required amount of memory every release or so. Let's hope this isn't the case with Mountain Lion.


Cheetah/Puma/Jaguar/Panther - 128MB
Tiger - 256MB
Leopard - 512MB
Snow Leopard - 1GB
Lion - 2GB

no way. 2GB will probably remain
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2/16/12 at 8:57am
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By iOS-esque I hope he means price too. The last OS X upgrade cost $29. iOS upgrades don't cost a thing.

And iOS updates only go back 3 years which usually means some features can't make it, yet with Mac OS X updates they go back 5-6 years and every feature comes with it for a machine type.

It's so odd to hear people complain about $29 for an major desktop OS update. Seriously?! You have to know that the accounting of the iDevices using iOS are different than with Macs, not to mention the level of complexity and scope between the two OSes.

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2/16/12 at 8:58am
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Yes, flawless wireless streaming and mirrored content at only 720p? Sad.

Again, the Apple TV take 2 can't (read: Apple won't let it) output higher than 720p. When the next one comes out, they'll advertise full 1080p output. But they can't very well do that when the device isn't out yet.
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post #112 of 274
2/16/12 at 8:59am
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My computer. I install what I want if I so choose.

Forced is the wrong word. No one is forcing you to use anything. You can still download outside the App Store
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post #113 of 274
2/16/12 at 9:03am
Isn't it strange there is no Facebook integration? They're adding Twitter, just like on iOS, but could this still be the result of Facebooks' absurd amount of money they asked from Apple/Jobs for integration with iTunes Ping?
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post #114 of 274
2/16/12 at 9:07am
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Sounds to me like you'd want integration with iMovie then. No format with a data rate low enough to be able to beam that fast would be anything close to a pro format. Besides they've already got iMovie for iOS

The iPad can handle editing h.264 video just fine, and ingest it rather quickly with the CCK.

The iPad edit could be done with iMovie or Avid Studio -- or maybe a flavor of FCP X for the iPad.

While one iPad is doing the fast turn-around edit, another could do an ingest and upload of the source data.

This would work over cell or better over WiFi.

Once uploaded to the cloud, you can edit directly from the cloud with FCP X -- I've edited using source clips on iDisk.

I'm talking about short highlight videos edited in the field... And the full video available later (news at 11:00).

Here's an interesting video... At about 21:37 it shows the concept of using dual codecs -- one for fast turnaround and a second for pro editing:

Michael Cioni talks 4K workflow and FCP proxies for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo


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post #115 of 274
2/16/12 at 9:08am
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Again, the Apple TV take 2 can't (read: Apple won't let it) output higher than 720p. When the next one comes out, they'll advertise full 1080p output. But they can't very well do that when the device isn't out yet.

And it makes no sense for Apple to release an AppleTV that can output 720p until they have iTS content that is also 1080p. Now I've heard that they have secured many of the rights thus far and have getting content owners to upload 1080p content in whatever bitrate was agreed upon. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an extra $1 per video over 720p if it's a substantial increase in the file size, but if they follow other distributors that claim 1080p but with bitrates around Apple's 720p (or worse) then I assume it will cost the same.

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2/16/12 at 9:12am
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And it makes no sense for Apple to release an AppleTV that can output 720p until they have iTS content that is also 1080p.

With Mountain Lion, Apple might not have 1080p content, but Mac owners certainly will. 1080p will come soon.
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2/16/12 at 9:14am
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And it makes no sense for Apple to release an AppleTV that can output 720p until they have iTS content that is also 1080p. Now I've heard that they have secured many of the rights thus far and have getting content owners to upload 1080p content in whatever bitrate was agreed upon. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an extra $1 per video over 720p if it's a substantial increase in the file size, but if they follow other distributors that claim 1080p but with bitrates around Apple's 720p (or worse) then I assume it will cost the same.

Would 3.8Mbps be an acceptable bitrate for that sort of thing?
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2/16/12 at 9:21am
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Isn't it strange there is no Facebook integration? They're adding Twitter, just like on iOS, but could this still be the result of Facebooks' absurd amount of money they asked from Apple/Jobs for integration with iTunes Ping?

Not really strange at all. Facebook is all about being exclusive...that's what keeps people coming back. They also don't allow for other social networks to use your facebook friends...except Instagram...
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2/16/12 at 9:22am
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So much for the stupid, "Lion will be the last version of OS X," meme. Apple just put a bullet in that meme's head.

A good example of metaphor inflation.©Flaneur, 2012

Edit: Actually I see that I was anticipated at this curious website: http://www.thirdworldcounty.us/?p=10591
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2/16/12 at 9:24am
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Personally, I'm a little bothered by how fast this came. It seems to me they'd want to kill as much time as possible before they hit OS XI so that development can properly get done. I still expect a paradigm shifting multitouch desktop computer platform with that, not some jacked up "oh, we added a multitouch screen to the exact same desktop OS everyone's already using" crap.

There isn't going to be an OS XI. Just Mac iOS.
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