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post #41 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:19am
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Launchpad? Hmm, perhaps named after the various rockets in the space program. Saturn, Apollo, etc.

Too predicable and cheesy. Named after some of the more simpler named astronomical objects perhaps. Perhaps. Or perhaps something completely out of left-field. Or perhaps simply the planets in our own solar system. What gives me pause to that idea, however, is the planet named uranus. Perhaps the name of moons?

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post #42 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:20am
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I would like to see a client for Windows 7 so I can send messages to the wifes iPhone when at work.

This would be where people tell you to buy yourself an iPhone and problem solved heh. Or a Mac, like someone else already said, but most people don't get to dictate their computer at work.

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I wouldn't be shocked if this Messages app, once out of beta, gets a Windows version. Tons of PC folks have iPhones and iPads after all. And then there are businesses with that combo.

I agree w/TS, there is no reason to put Messages on the PC. This is yet another selling point for the Mac. "Look how easily you can communicate with people, whether they're on a iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad or a Mac." I already use Adium to streamline my chatting as it is.

Also, yeah I'm nto a fan of the single box for iMessage either. I have too many people on my list to show up on a 1680x1050 22" screen w/my contact list stretched the whole way down as it is.
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post #43 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:23am
iChat could already send SMS to phones (albeit with the character limit inherent in SMS), and it could already message Apple ID's. What is iMessages bringing to the table?
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post #44 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:24am
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Too predicable and cheesy. Named after some of the more simpler named astronomical objects perhaps. Perhaps.

Mac OS XI

Version 11.0

Release name: Mercury (and the other nine planets fall in step afterward, giving us up to 11.9 for versions. Done and done.)

Code name: BHA
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post #45 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:26am
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Yes you can. All the features of iChat seem pretty much unchanged, they just stuffed Messages into it and renamed it.

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post #46 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:27am
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thanks very much!

Well, minus multi-person videoconferencing. I found screen sharing, then.
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post #47 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:29am
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Mac OS XI

Version 11.0

Release name: Mercury (and the other nine planets fall in step afterward, giving us up to 11.9 for versions. Done and done.)

Code name: BHA

But Pluto's not a planet anymore!
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post #48 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:41am
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But Pluto's not a planet anymore!

Pluto and Eris are both planets by virtue of the fact that the IAU's nonsensically arbitrary and disgustingly biased "definition" of a planet also excludes Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Neptune from planetary status.

They wrote it JUST to get Pluto out, and they refuse to apply their own rules to any of the other planets. That's not a definition, that's an excuse.

Since Pluto remains a planet, Eris, by virtue of being larger than Pluto, is also a planet. QED.
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post #49 of 74
2/16/12 at 9:54am
How can a simply message app not be made to work on Snow Leopard?

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post #50 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:08am
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iChat could already send SMS to phones (albeit with the character limit inherent in SMS), and it could already message Apple ID's. What is iMessages bringing to the table?

Answering my own question. It will send an iMessage directly to the phone using iMessage, bypassing the SMS text limit and not charging your account for the text (SMS) message. Added benefit is I get it on my Mac, my phone, and my iPad all at the same time.
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post #51 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:08am
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How can a simply message app not be made to work on Snow Leopard?

It can. Limiting new features to the latest hardware is how companies get people to upgrade their software. Lion is only $30. Mountain Lion most likely will be the same. I suggest paying the nominal upgrade fee to stay current and get all the latest features.
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post #52 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:17am
Is anyone actually getting messages updated on your phone as well? It seems to keep the messages separate from my iPhone. I made sure that the @me.com e-mail is correct on both the computer and phone and that the e-mail is connected to both. Is there a setting somewhere I am missing?
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post #53 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:17am
[QUOTE=AppleInsider;2047497]Though the new Mac Messages application with cross-platform support for iOS will be a major feature of the forthcoming OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, users can get their hands on an early beta immediately.

Will we still be able to hold a video conference with Mac users running iChat?
Will we still be able to hold a video conference with Windows users running AOL Instant Messenger?
Can we video conference with other than Mac/iOS?

Will Screen Sharing be retained as with iChat? This is a GREAT feature!
Will the capability of iChat Theater (for presentations) be retained? No need for Go To PC.
Will send SMS go away to non-iPhones? It doesnt always work now anyway.

Will we be able to revert BACK to iChat during the beta period? How? Should we archive the app first?
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post #54 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:26am
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Is anyone actually getting messages updated on your phone as well? It seems to keep the messages separate from my iPhone. I made sure that the @me.com e-mail is correct on both the computer and phone and that the e-mail is connected to both. Is there a setting somewhere I am missing?

Works fine for me to my Mac and iPad. You're using the same address on both, right?

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Will we still be able to hold a video conference with Mac users running iChat?

I don't know. I haven't tried that yet, and my only remaining iChat contact isn't on right now. I'll report back once he is, though.

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Will Screen Sharing be retained as with iChat? This is a GREAT feature!

Yep, it's still there.

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Will the capability of iChat Theater (for presentations) be retained? No need for Go To PC.

I would imagine, but I'll confirm once he gets on.

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Will send SMS go away to non-iPhones? It doesn’t always work now anyway.

What? What does this mean?

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Will we be able to revert BACK to iChat during the beta period? How? Should we archive the app first?

There's an option in the Messages menu in the Menu Bar that says "Uninstall Messages Beta", so I assume there's a copy of iChat kept on your system somewhere.

Instantaneous edit: Ah, nope. It opens Software Update and downloads iChat again.
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post #55 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:26am
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How can a simply message app not be made to work on Snow Leopard?

Most likely because it replies on iCloud APIs, which is not included in SL. You lived without this until now, so you can continue living without it if you don't want to update. Simple as that, and not worth bitching about. It's pretty clear almost all new software released by Apple going forward will required at least 10.7.
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post #56 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:48am
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Is anyone actually getting messages updated on your phone as well? It seems to keep the messages separate from my iPhone. I made sure that the @me.com e-mail is correct on both the computer and phone and that the e-mail is connected to both. Is there a setting somewhere I am missing?

Just make sure you register your email address on your iOS device with iMessage and enable iMessage. It took about 5 mins before it started working after registering an email address. After that I received it on my mac, my iPad, and my iPhone.
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post #57 of 74
2/16/12 at 10:57am
This guy already made Growl and auto-resize for Messages:
http://tiagodovale.deviantart.com/ar...Beta-285399682
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post #58 of 74
2/16/12 at 11:00am
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Works fine for me to my Mac and iPad. You're using the same address on both, right?

For some reason, I had both the computer and the phone working with my @me.com account and it wouldn't sync... and then I changed over to another account with my regular e-mail. Just changed everything to that account now and it works fine. I don't know what the issue was, but it works now.
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post #59 of 74
2/16/12 at 11:08am
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Mac OS XI

Version 11.0

Release name: Mercury (and the other nine planets fall in step afterward, giving us up to 11.9 for versions. Done and done.)

Code name: BHA

Quit stealing my ideas. Besides, Pluto is no longer considered a planet and Uranus doesn't have the best connotations.

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post #60 of 74
2/16/12 at 11:08am
10.9 will be named Lynx, as Apple links OSX and iOS. OK, maybe not, but wouldn't that be great marketing? I think Lynx is a great name. I doubt whatever follows 10.9 will be anything more than just another (excellent) update to OSX. People on the web go nuts over silly things like the significance of numbers ("OMG! After 10.9 Apple has to give us a whole new OS!") but the truth of the matter is that OSX is strong and has many more years of growth and development ahead of it.

As for Mountain Lion... there's a lot for us to look forward to. I'll upgrade the day my 3rd party hardware runs on it (mainly, an Apogee Duet). Today's news is surprising, but I'm excited! I bet it'll be another cheap Mac App Store purchase.

Yeah, 1 year is a quick turnaround, but the timing is right for Apple to make some major strides toward integrating iOS and OSX.

It's a good time to be an Apple fan, eh? Good times indeed.
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post #61 of 74
2/16/12 at 11:09am
Perfect solution! Keep it simple.

Before, Id been wanting everything bundled within iChat itself... but that makes little sense, since FaceTime is not chatting per se, and iChat vs. iMessages work differently (and they have to: one is legacy compatibility with cross-platform users; one is an SMS-alternative).

The simple, best solutionas often with Appleis obvious in hindsight.

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post #62 of 74
2/16/12 at 11:23am
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For some reason, I had both the computer and the phone working with my @me.com account and it wouldn't sync... and then I changed over to another account with my regular e-mail. Just changed everything to that account now and it works fine. I don't know what the issue was, but it works now.

If you switch back to your @me.com address, does it now sync?
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post #63 of 74
2/16/12 at 11:24am
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YES. IT REPLACES ICHAT.

THANK YOU, APPLE.

For a horrible minute I thought it was going to be a THIRD application. Now all we have to do is combine FaceTime with this thing and we'll be golden.

Just what I was talking about... when was it...last week? two weeks ago? Same sentiment from me on the FaceTime. Make it ONE APP, Apple. Please!

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post #64 of 74
2/16/12 at 11:47am
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It can. Limiting new features to the latest hardware is how companies get people to upgrade their software. Lion is only $30. Mountain Lion most likely will be the same. I suggest paying the nominal upgrade fee to stay current and get all the latest features.

I get that, but 2 out of 3 Macs in my home are on Core Duo chips (32-bit, don't support Lion). The Mac Mini and my wife's MacBook. My MBP is the only one running Lion.

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Most likely because it replies on iCloud APIs, which is not included in SL. You lived without this until now, so you can continue living without it if you don't want to update. Simple as that, and not worth bitching about. It's pretty clear almost all new software released by Apple going forward will required at least 10.7.

I'm not bitching, see above, and no my wife hasn't lived without iChat up until now. Don't be so f***ing rude or presumptuous.

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2/16/12 at 1:09pm
I currently have an Android device, a Motorola Atrix. I'd prefer an iPhone, however it's paid for by my work so I don't really have a choice. Once I installed the Messages Beta today, when anyone with an iPhone (with me in their contacts) texts me from their iPhone I receive the message on my computer(s), but not on the Atrix phone. This could be a real problem as I won't get any texts when I'm not at my computer.

I realize that most Mac users are likely to use iPhones, but not all. Requiring anyone who wants to text me to create two separate contacts doesn't seem like a reasonable option either.

Is there a simple workaround I'm not thinking of?

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2/16/12 at 1:35pm
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Once I installed the Messages Beta today, when anyone with an iPhone (with me in their contacts) texts me from their iPhone I receive the message on my computer(s), but not on the Atrix phone.

Of course not.

… Wait, WHAT?! Oh, wait, that makes sense, I guess. Just tell them not to use your iMessage account ever.

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Is there a simple workaround I'm not thinking of?

Yep, just tell them not to use your iMessage account. You in turn then can't send them iMessages using Messages on your Mac unless you plan to tell them to never directly reply to those messages.
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post #67 of 74
2/16/12 at 1:45pm
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Of course not.

Wait, WHAT?! Oh, wait, that makes sense, I guess. Just tell them not to use your iMessage account ever.

Yep, just tell them not to use your iMessage account. You in turn then can't send them iMessages using Messages on your Mac unless you plan to tell them to never directly reply to those messages.

I get that, but when I looked on my girlfriend's iPhone running the latest iOS, I don't see a way to disable iMessage for myself. When I go to send a text on her iPhone and choose my contact it automatically chooses to use the iMessage network rather than sending a text/sms.

The only thing I see that would likely work would be to delete my email address from my contact on her iPhone. This means she can't send me email without manually typing the address each time.

Unless I'm overlooking something this will definitely cause a lot of issues for anyone who has any phone not running iOS 5. This includes people who are still using their iPhone 3G or older.
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2/16/12 at 1:53pm
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I get that, but when I looked on my girlfriend's iPhone running the latest iOS, I don't see a way to disable iMessage for myself. When I go to send a text on her iPhone and choose my contact it automatically chooses to use the iMessage network rather than sending a text/sms.

Yes, you'll have to tell everyone who messages you to delete your iMessage account that they have in their phone's Address Book.

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The only thing I see that would likely work would be to delete my email address from my contact on her iPhone. This means she can't send me email without manually typing the address each time.

There's that, too.
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2/16/12 at 3:00pm
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I currently have an Android device, a Motorola Atrix. I'd prefer an iPhone, however it's paid for by my work so I don't really have a choice. Once I installed the Messages Beta today, when anyone with an iPhone (with me in their contacts) texts me from their iPhone I receive the message on my computer(s), but not on the Atrix phone. This could be a real problem as I won't get any texts when I'm not at my computer.

I realize that most Mac users are likely to use iPhones, but not all. Requiring anyone who wants to text me to create two separate contacts doesn't seem like a reasonable option either.

Is there a simple workaround I'm not thinking of?

--laurence

Messages lets you choose the recipient type. They don't create a separate contact, they would just need to send you an SMS rather than sending to your iMessage account. They can do that by clicking on your name in the TO field and selecting either your SMS number, or an email address that is not registered with iMessage. Optionally from your end on the Mac, you can unregister a specific email address from your Mac iMessage account so it doesn't receive emails at that address. Then just have your girlfriend send to the unregistered email.
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post #70 of 74
2/17/12 at 2:06am
just curious, how to share a location from Messages app from mac?

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2/17/12 at 2:33am
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10.9 will be named Lynx, as Apple links OSX and iOS. OK, maybe not, but wouldn't that be great marketing?

OS X and iOS are already closely linked: they run the same core OS. The iOS emulator that comes with the development tools is a very thin layer that actually runs x86 versions of iOS apps natively on OS X.
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People on the web go nuts over silly things like the significance of numbers ("OMG! After 10.9 Apple has to give us a whole new OS!") [...]

People that say such things haven't the slightest clue about software versioning and should shut the hell up about things they know nothing of. And everyone else should stop paying attention to these knuckleheads.

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2/17/12 at 7:29am
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I get that, but when I looked on my girlfriend's iPhone running the latest iOS, I don't see a way to disable iMessage for myself. When I go to send a text on her iPhone and choose my contact it automatically chooses to use the iMessage network rather than sending a text/sms.

The only thing I see that would likely work would be to delete my email address from my contact on her iPhone. This means she can't send me email without manually typing the address each time.

Unless I'm overlooking something this will definitely cause a lot of issues for anyone who has any phone not running iOS 5. This includes people who are still using their iPhone 3G or older.

When using your girlfriend's phone, go to Contacts and select you. Then at the bottom push "send Message". Select MOBILE and then all of those messages will go to your Android phone. I don't think they will show up on your Messages app on your Mac though.

Oh and another solution is to create a second contact for you, such as Bob Jones and Bob Jones Mac. That way when she gets a message from you she will immediately know which source you are sending from. She could also create a group message with both contacts so it will always go to both your Mac and Android and you could respond from either. You just won't be able to see your responses from your other device that you sent to her.
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post #73 of 74
2/17/12 at 11:36pm
Hopefully gtalk compatibility makes its way to the iOS version. It's the major thing I'm missing on the iPad/iPhone. The 3rd party apps are pretty ugly, using iMessage for all aim like here on OSX would be epic.
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2/18/12 at 9:47am
The Mac Messages beta application uses e-mail addresses (since most Mac's do not have an associated phone number).

Using my iPhone Messages app; How do I enter an e-mail address to address a new message to aMac Messages beta recipient?. The iPhone Messages app keyboard only displays alphabetic characters and numbers, no symbols, like the 'at' sign ( @ ) and the period ( . ) that are required in most e-mail addresses.

Also, the iPhone Messages app To: field Plus sign ( + ) allows one to select a recipient from the Contacts app, but it only shows phone numbers, no e-mail addresses.

I have used the Siri voice recognition to spell out the special characters to compete the e-mail address and I suspect copy / paste would also work but there should be a way to address a new message to an e-mail address using the Message app keyboard.

Here is a link to images of the iPhone Messages app To: field keyboard to show that it is configured to not include special characters.

http://gallery.me.com/vcina#100895

Of course, I could be missing some simple way to enter the needed e-mail special characters using the keyboard on the iPhone Messages app keyboard.
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