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A new breakdown of Apple's blockbuster 2011 notes that the company sold more iPhones, iPads and iPod touches in the 12-month span than it has sold Mac computers in the company's history.

The revelation was made this week by Horace Dediu at Asymco, who noted that Apple sold a total of 156 million iOS devices in 2011. That was enough to top the total number of Macs ever sold, which sits at 122 million.

As a whole, there have been 316 million cumulative iOS units sold to date. That means 2011 accounted for nearly half of all iOS devices sold by Apple since the platform launched in 2007.

Of course, the lead iOS device is the iPhone, which is likely to cross the milestone of 200 million units sold during the current quarter. Boosted by the launch of the iPhone 4S, Apple set a new record in the 2011 holiday season, with 37 million iPhones sold in that three-month span alone.

But Apple has also been surprised by the explosive success of the iPad. To date, 55 million iPads have been sold, a number that Cook admitted in a speech at this week's Goldman Sachs Conference exceeded even his most optimistic of expectations.




"To put it in context, it took us 22 years to sell 55 million Macs," Cook said. "It took us about 5 years to sell 22 million iPods, and it took us about 3 years to sell that many iPhones. And so, this thing is... on a trajectory that's off the charts."

iPad sales are likely to grow even more with the launch of a new model expected next month. Apple is rumored to hold a media event on March 7 to unveil the third-generation iPad, which is expected to feature a high-resolution Retina Display and the option of 4G LTE high-speed wireless connectivity.

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I was reading this on MacRumors yesterday. It is amazing and the Mac sales are going to trend up now in iOS coat tails I am sure. Just watch that iPad line go higher than them all soon. All good for AAPL in 2012. Come on Tim a 5:1 split ... Psychological inducement ...
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A new breakdown of Apple's blockbuster 2011 notes that the company sold more iPhones, iPads and iPod touches in the 12-month span than it has sold Mac computers in the company's history.


Likely Apple has made more profit form one year's iPhone sales than all the Macs put together from the dawn of time.

Macs seem to be a boat anchor for Apple these days.
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Likely Apple has made more profit form one year's iPhone sales than all the Macs put together from the dawn of time.

Macs seem to be a boat anchor for Apple these days.

"Boat anchor"??? Really can't see it that way.

Between my wife & kids, we have 3 iMacs, and 3 MacBooks (one doesn't get used extensively anymore).
We also have 3 iPads, 6 iPhones, 2 iTouches, 3 iPods and 4 Nanos.

So thats 6 MacOS machines, and 18 iOS devices.

While it is true that some of each group are eliminating themselves through redundancies, thats happening more in the iOS category so far. I really couldn't see eliminating either category anytime soon, if given a choice.

To continue your naval analogy, in any fleet, there are capital ships, and far more numerous support vessels. iOS devices, by their nature and intent, will be the more numerous.

All very much to Jobs' vision, and Apple's grand design...
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Likely Apple has made more profit form one year's iPhone sales than all the Macs put together from the dawn of time.

Macs seem to be a boat anchor for Apple these days.

you really are an irrational hater, aren't you? why bring the mac down?

just in case you forgot, apple makes more money from macs that all OEMs combined with their computers.
Also thanks to iOS, mac sales are exploding YaY, so your post makes 0 sense.
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Any potential implication gleaned from this post is meaningless because of one simple thing:

Tim Cook loves the Mac.

He has a FIRE for it. He ACTIVELY wants its marketshare to grow. And he'll do what he thinks is best to get that to happen.

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you really are an irrational hater, aren't you? why bring the mac down?

just in case you forgot, apple makes more money from macs that all OEMs combined with their computers.
Also thanks to iOS, mac sales are exploding YaY, so your post makes 0 sense.

I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
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iOS products cost a lot less and are a much more portable than most Macs that have been out in the last 28 years.
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Likely Apple has made more profit form one year's iPhone sales than all the Macs put together from the dawn of time.

Macs seem to be a boat anchor for Apple these days.

That seems like an odd comment. Both segments are profitable (Mac and iPhone) and doing the best they ever have. "Boat anchor" usually references a segment that is holding an organization back. That simply isn't true with the Mac.

Also, should it be any surprise that a $100-$300 device is outpacing a $999-$3,000+ computer?

Apples and Oranges
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That seems like an odd comment. Both segments are profitable (Mac and iPhone) and doing the best they ever have. "Boat anchor" usually references a segment that is holding an organization back. That simply isn't true with the Mac.

Also, should it be any surprise that a $100-$300 device is outpacing a $999-$3,000+ computer?

Apples and Oranges



Back when Apple's mainline product was computers, it:

sold less volume;
made a lower gross profit;
made a MUCH lower gross margin;
made a MUCH lower net profit.

Now, with Apple being a gadget company, each of these things has reversed.

Boat anchor.
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... and yet they remain clinged to that dinosaur of personal computing -- the desktop.

How about 13/15/17-inch MacPads -- with built-in stands & wireless USB [for obsessive-compulsives who can't/won't let go of
the "mouse & keyboard" pardigm -- instead, huh?

I know I'd get a 15 inch one.

A 15" tablet that also works as a full computer? I've been waiting for that since like ... forever.

It could also have a virtual trackpad for those times you need full featured software, but don't have a mouse handy.
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It looks impressive at first until you compare it to Windows/PC sales. The numbers posted by Apple are minuscule and pathetic in comparison. Thats just the truth. Google it.
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It looks impressive at first until you compare it to Windows/PC sales. The numbers posted by Apple are minuscule and pathetic in comparison. Thats just the truth. Google it.

I wouldn't say "pathetic!"
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It looks impressive at first until you compare it to Windows/PC sales. The numbers posted by Apple are minuscule and pathetic in comparison. Thats just the truth. Google it.

And in other related news: The combined sales of all car manufactures in the world, other than Mazda, was larger than than sales of Mazda sales by themselves. Just bloody amazing, eh Slappy?

Perhaps, considering the quality of your posts, we should refer to them as Sloppy huh?
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It looks impressive at first until you compare it to Windows/PC sales. The numbers posted by Apple are minuscule and pathetic in comparison. Thats just the truth. Google it.

Yes. If you look at the past. Look ahead 3 years out, and then let's see.

The rate at which iPad is growing it might very well take up a very significant portion of the PC market in 3 years time. Already Apple has over 20% of the US PC market including iPad as a PC. And even today there isn't a single Android tablet that is worth owning. I can just imagine Apple releasing 2-3 versions of the iPad and cornering 35% of global PC sales. With Macs at 10% and iPads at 25%.

Pretty soon people will realize Windows machines have ONE major disadvantage. That you can't run XCode on Windows machines!
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It looks impressive at first until you compare it to Windows/PC sales. The numbers posted by Apple are minuscule and pathetic in comparison. Thats just the truth. Google it.

Yep, you're a real genius there with your insightful and extremely intelligent comments.

That's like saying that Bill Gates is poor, because if you add up the incomes of everybody in the entire world, that would be greater than his wealth.

Really? So every single computer sold in the world from every single manufacturer in the world has moved more units than one single company called Apple has? Wow, that is truly shocking, and I find that so hard to believe.
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It looks impressive at first until you compare it to Windows/PC sales. The numbers posted by Apple are minuscule and pathetic in comparison. Thats just the truth. Google it.

Thattaboy, keep moving the goalposts. Now that Apple is outselling everyone and destroying all metrics, their sales are 'pathetic' because they sell less than the combined PC sales of every single other company on the planet? There's no other tech company, either currently or in the history of the world, that has had the insane success that Apple is having now nor the sales. Do you type your posts with a straight face? It's a serious question. [insult removed]
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I'm not insane. If you want to look at future outlook, then take a look at the recent MSNBC report. If you want to play the future game, Kindle is ready to blow out the iPad in 2012. Like I said, Android is going to make a killing this year.



"Kindle Fire has barely reached the toddler stage of its young life, but it's already shot up in tablet sales, second only to Apple's iPad at least for the last quarter of 2011."

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...main=gadgetbox
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just another example of the dumbing down of Apple.
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Also, should it be any surprise that a $100-$300 device is outpacing a $999-$3,000+ computer

The nice thing about that is it's really a $400-600 device. Customers end up paying the balance over the term of their contract, but Apple gets paid up front by the carrier. So they get the customer appeal of a $100-300 item and the profit potential of a $400-600 item.
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just another example of the dumbing down of Apple.

The only thing showing signs of dumbing down are Apple users, apparently.

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The only thing showing signs of dumbing down are Apple users, apparently.

I'm starting to dislike more and more Apple users every day, or at least certain people who claim to be Apple users.

I have more respect for Fandroids than these "Apple users", and that's saying quite a bit, as I'm not exactly known for being fond of Fandroids.
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In another year and a half there won't be any more Apple desktop computers. There will only be powerful tablets that communicate to the Apple TV screens. The tablets will have wireless remote keyboards for those that need to type.

Data will be stored in the cloud instead of within the iPads.

My Predictions;
Apple will announce Apple TV sets in May.

By the end of 2013 Apple will sell iPads that are as powerful as their laptops.

The iMac line will be discontinued at the end of December 2013.
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In another year and a half there won't be any more Apple desktop computers.

There will always be desktop computers. There will be desktop computers in 2050.

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Data will be stored in the cloud instead of within the iPads.

Not if I have anything to say about that.

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By the end of 2013 Apple will sell iPads that are as powerful as their laptops.



ARM can't hope to match Intel's laptop chips, much less its desktops.

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*Big hug*

You have no idea the poor quality of contrarianism we have had to put up with while you've been preoccupied elsewhere!!

Whew, now back on topic. And of course, we have to address the obvious elephant in the room, let in by our dear beloved curmudgeon - marketshare.

While marketshare obviously is an important part of the equation it is just one part, and the other is....wait for it... profitability.

Yes, I used the p word slapppy. I know that upsets you. But let's take this back to elementary school my dear Slapson!

If a fruit vendor is selling oranges to his customers at 10 cents a bushel (50 oranges on average in a bushel, just in case you had no idea), but the oranges could be old, diseased, smaller than average, as well as decent sized and healthy, and another vendor sells his oranges for 10 cents a half bushel, but ensures that his suppliers give him first pick and A grade oranges, that means his customers are going to be happier with their fewer but better quality oranges. He sells fewer oranges, but has happy, regular customers and a slowly increasing group of customers. The other vendor sells more oranges, but his customers are less happy and see less value in what they are getting and he doesn't make as much money from his sales.

So while the first vendor is selling more oranges per purchase, and his volume of oranges sold is greater, the second is making more money per purchase, which gives him the ability to improve his shop, and diversify into kumquats because he thinks the customers will enjoy them as well. Meanwhile the first vendor finds that while he is slowly losing customers to the other one, he has discovered that he can sell his lower quality, cheaper oranges for animal feed, which keeps his sales up and the animals are less fussy about the oranges.

There: economics my dear Slapson!
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"Boat anchor"??? Really can't see it that way.

Between my wife & kids, we have 3 iMacs, and 3 MacBooks (one doesn't get used extensively anymore).
We also have 3 iPads, 6 iPhones, 2 iTouches, 3 iPods and 4 Nanos.

So thats 6 MacOS machines, and 18 iOS devices.

While it is true that some of each group are eliminating themselves through redundancies, thats happening more in the iOS category so far. I really couldn't see eliminating either category anytime soon, if given a choice.

To continue your naval analogy, in any fleet, there are capital ships, and far more numerous support vessels. iOS devices, by their nature and intent, will be the more numerous.

All very much to Jobs' vision, and Apple's grand design...

Hey... Any chance you'd like to sell me that not used very much MacBook? I am very much interested in buying a used MacBook but find it hard to afford. Please let me know!
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There will always be desktop computers. There will be desktop computers in 2050.



Not if I have anything to say about that.





ARM can't hope to match Intel's laptop chips, much less its desktops.

You can argue there will be desktop computers - just like there will always be some kind of mainframe computer - there's a need for that sort of thing.

But if you are arguing that every consumer will need a desktop computer - I suggest that you are already wrong.

only 80% of US households have at least one home computer according to the Census Bureau - which leaves over 61 million people without. These numbers rise and fall percentage-wise as you move from country to country - better in parts of Europe, worse in other countries of course.

"Smart" mobile devices are rapidly replacing the basic functions of the desktop computer world-wide - especially in lower economic strata countries where the mobile devices are much cheaper than regular computers, and yet deliver the majority of needs that are required for average consumer use: internet access, email, filesharing, music, photography and some kind of video.

ARM doesn't need to "match" Intel's chipsets they just have to supply chipsets that deliver to the majority average needs. And that's what they do.

So yes - there will always be desktop computers - just not taking up space in every household, sucking energy and requiring the user to manage it with an esoteric and rapidly aging interface.

Anecdotally, I was visiting my local Apple Store recently, it was the busiest store in the mall, and they were doing an iPad workshop - that looked like an AARP meeting with a couple of younger folks thrown in for good measure. People who are by virtue of age and and inclination less likely to embrace new technology were lively, chattering away about their favorite apps with each other and the workshop leader - and there were 12-14 packed around the table for the workshop. A number of them (as I listened in, waiting for my Genius appointment) were actually replacing their desktop PC with an iPad, and apparently delighted to do so.
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In another year and a half there won't be any more Apple desktop computers. There will only be powerful tablets that communicate to the Apple TV screens. The tablets will have wireless remote keyboards for those that need to type.

Data will be stored in the cloud instead of within the iPads.

My Predictions;
Apple will announce Apple TV sets in May.

By the end of 2013 Apple will sell iPads that are as powerful as their laptops.

The iMac line will be discontinued at the end of December 2013.

Too quick, but otherwise spot on.

It will happen in stages - first off: Kill the Mac Pro.
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I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Perhaps a trip to your local opticians might be in order.
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Likely Apple has made more profit form one year's iPhone sales than all the Macs put together from the dawn of time.

Macs seem to be a boat anchor for Apple these days.

Yeah, a boat anchor that brings in billions of profits each year. A real boat anchor ties up your distribution pipeline while making you little or no money.

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I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

You apparently didn't see the upward kink in the graph for recent Mac sales. Almost as steep as the iPad.

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It looks impressive at first until you compare it to Windows/PC sales. The numbers posted by Apple are minuscule and pathetic in comparison. Thats just the truth. Google it.

You don't think Dell or HP wouldn't kill for the fat profits Apple gets off their Macs?
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You don't think Dell or HP wouldn't kill for the fat profits Apple gets off their Macs?

That doesn't matter at all. All that matters is the number sold. And when Apple surpasses everyone else in number sold, all that will matter is how many there are being used, regardless of if they're still running Windows 95.

Official slapppy color (#514999 for 'slappp') and everything, so you know it's right.

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post #33 of 47
Impressive figures.

It's exciting to see Apple showing us just how far the rabbit hole goes...
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Seriously some of us have followed Apple since the Apple I days when Byte magazine was real paper. This is truly amazing. It is even more amazing that an iPhone or iPad can run circles around most computers I've ever owned. Apples resurrection has been nothing less than a shock.
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Between my wife & kids, we have 3 iMacs, and 3 MacBooks (one doesn't get used extensively anymore).
We also have 3 iPads, 6 iPhones, 2 iTouches, 3 iPods and 4 Nanos.

So thats 6 MacOS machines, and 18 iOS devices.

Can you tell us what you do for a living please, and how you got into that career?
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I was reading this on MacRumors yesterday. It is amazing and the Mac sales are going to trend up now in iOS coat tails I am sure. Just watch that iPad line go higher than them all soon. All good for AAPL in 2012. Come on Tim a 5:1 split ... Psychological inducement ...

Many Apple people have said that they expected the iPad to be a success, but had no idea at all that it would sell in the numbers it has. It is nice to be surprised like that.

It should come as no surprise that sales volume (number of products) of devices costing hundreds of dollars exceed those which cost thousands of dollars. Likewise, it should come as no surprise that price is a factor in sales in general. Perhaps Apple will take a lesson from this and price their computers more in line with hardware of similar capability running other operating systems. It just could come as a surprise to them that they would sell more of them and making a greater profit, even if the margins per product sold were not as great. Greater market share would also allow the amortizing of R&D costs across more products, thereby reducing the R&D cost component per unit sold which does positively contribute to margins.
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Too quick, but otherwise spot on.

It will happen in stages - first off: Kill the Mac Pro.

If that comes to pass, there will be a lot of former Apple computer users. They may use the iPad or whatever it is, but will still need a real computer.
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Any potential implication gleaned from this post is meaningless because of one simple thing:

Tim Cook loves the Mac.

I'd say it's meaningless because of the fact you could also say that the Mac sold more in its latest 3 years than it did in the first 20 years.

There's also the points covered about relative product costs (Apple didn't make a $500 Mac until the Mini in 2007, notice the uptick at the 23 mark).

Also, more people buy phones than computers, the relative market sizes are about 5:1 (1.5b phones vs 300m computers) so if you get the same share in both, the phones should far outnumber the computers.

It doesn't matter, they are all on very steep climbing trajectories so no worries from any product line.
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If that comes to pass, there will be a lot of former Apple computer users. They may use the iPad or whatever it is, but will still need a real computer.

Wouldn't it be something to kill the "tower?"

In one fell swoop Apple would instantly make all the other PC makers look more stodgy, antiquated and pedantic than they already do! I mean really, cables are so 1992,

And, only Apple has the "b*lls" to do it, too!

Best

P.S. "Anyone who uses the word, 'pedantic....' is pedantic....". I got that from someone on these boards! Made me laugh!
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Wouldn't it be something to kill the "tower?"

In one fell swoop Apple would instantly make all the other PC makers look more stodgy, antiquated and pedantic than they already do! I mean really, cables are so 1992,

And, only Apple has the "b*lls" to do it, too!

Best

P.S. "Anyone who uses the word, 'pedantic....' is pedantic....". I got that from someone on these boards! Made me laugh!

Christopher,

I don't know what you are thinking, but there is no one in the rest of the market in a hurry to kill off the tower. Sure, laptop sales are the market leader and will continue to grow relative to tower sales, but there will be a market for towers, without regard to the installed OS, for the foreseeable future.


If you apply the "logic" that Mac Pros only represent a small percentage of Apple revenue and kill them off, the next step is "iMacs only represent a small portion of Apple revenue" and so on. I don't think that makes a great deal of sense, but you may be of a different opinion.

It would be a shame if Apple were to drop the Mac Pro.

This is not a "Nikon is slow delivering what I want, I'm going to switch to Canon" type of discussion. If Apple kills the Mac Pro there will be people who will have to turn elsewhere, but not out of choice.

Cheers
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