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Bull. iCloud cannot and will NEVER replace the ability to have tons of movies and TV shows on your devices. Capacities will continue to increase until the telecoms are shut down and companies whose job it is to actually improve our infrastructure are put in place.

Google was doing gigabit fiber to the home. Whatever became of that? I don't want Google doing it, I don't want Google owning the servers, I don't want Google involved. I want that fiber made and I want it laid. By other companies.

This needs done. There's no excuse for it not to be. When more than 30% of the country has even a QUARTER of a gigabit fiber to a home, I'll start agreeing with you, but by then portable Apple products will hold a terabyte.


I see no trend towards increasing internal capacity at the greatest possible rate. In fact, I was surprised that the legacy iPhones were released only in 8 gig models.

I think that the portable devices will have only moderately high capacities. I think that iCloud is a big part of Apple's plan to integrate devices.

I don't see a terabyte iPhone any time soon. People who prefer to have segregated, incomplete storage locally will become a minority, IMO, with Apple encouraging the transition in not-so-subtle ways.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

IMO a tablet shouldn't really be any heavier than a thick magazine, and should be just as easy to hold in the hands.

I agree, but we may be a few years away from that, because of the battery life benchmarks Apple has set for itself. Isn't the battery a main cause of the "heaviness" of the iPad? I don't have time to Google the breakdown...
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The more storage Apple gives us in our devices, the less incentive we have to pay for iCloud.

I would not expect Apple portable devices to have lots of internal storage any more.

Right. Which is why they introduced iCloud with a 64GB iPhone 4S right?
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Yeah, hard to say. With Retina and 64GB + 128GB models that could be the premium iPad 3, then maybe iPad 2S with 16GB only. Or a full-on frontal assault with iPad 3 only at 16/32/64GB 3G/Wifi as per usual.

I'm sure it's a hot topic in Apple management right now!

Usually the cheaper models sell more than the more expensive models. You have an entry level price that is appealing and hope for a certain amount of up sale. You make more on profit with the up sale but you also sell less.

However, it seems to me the 64GB WiFi+3G iPad is the most popular among my friends and family. I'm not sure about too many surveys but I think I saw one that showed the most and least expensive iPads as the most popular.

With this in mind I can see a scenario for Apple capitalizing on that interest with a more expensive model that does that 128GB. The problem with this is that 4 model options can be bad for marketing.

I can also see a scenario where they charge more for the iPad 3. It's not like anyone is challenging them in this market but at the same time they can also wrap up their natural monopoly position this year, besting their iPod dominance time by many years.

Can this new display be had for about the same price as the current one when it came out in 2010? If not, let's say it's $20 more per unit, would Apple eat that cost to ensure their position or would they add other components to offset an increase in cost they will have to charge. For instance, more storage. If they are adding an 8Mpx camera which I think is pointless in an tablet) perhaps that's exactly what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Is it getting cheap enough that they can double it this year? Typically the doubling for the same price is because of a die shrinkage but there has been issues with that regarding speed and longevity. On top of that, if they are adding the Retina Display you have to consider of that component and marketing for doing both in the same year.

Apple hasn't marketed the increased storage capacity in the iPhone 4S. Additionally, the high resolution display will require high resolution graphics which will require more storage capacity.

I hope Apple releases a 128GB version, it would fit perfectly in-between my MacBook Air, with 256GB, and my iPhone 4S, with 64GB.
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The newest iPhone 4S has on-phone cameras in the world,

Pretty sure you accidentally a whole paragraph in this case.

Despite so many people thinking rear cameras on a tablet are pointless, I've always thought their potential was unrealized. With the iPad's processing power and large screen, it could have meant nice real-time effects being applied to pictures that were actually good, but instead we got the same shitty camera as the iPod Touch that even a dumbphone in 2012 would be ashamed to have. I hope it has the same sensor as the 4S, that would no doubt lead to some interesting capabilities.

I'll also hop on the boat that says its well past time for a capcity doubling, not just increasing the top end one but the base models too. Competitors at a similar or lower price are usually competing with an iPad at half the storage now. I'm sure Apple wants iCloud to be the future, but for me at least local storage is still important.
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Pretty sure you accidentally a whole paragraph in this case.

Despite so many people thinking rear cameras on a tablet are pointless, I've always thought their potential was unrealized. With the iPad's processing power and large screen, it could have meant nice real-time effects being applied to pictures that were actually good, but instead we got the same shitty camera as the iPod Touch that even a dumbphone in 2012 would be ashamed to have. I hope it has the same sensor as the 4S, that would no doubt lead to some interesting capabilities.

Also of course to go with the Retina Displays ~ this, changes everything. Again.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Can this new display be had for about the same price as the current one when it came out in 2010? If not, let's say it's $20 more per unit, would Apple eat that cost to ensure their position or would they add other components to offset an increase in cost they will have to charge. For instance, more storage. If they are adding an 8Mpx camera — which I think is pointless in an tablet) — perhaps that's exactly what they are doing.

I agree with everything else you mentioned in your post, but was wondering: If Tim Cook managed to finagle lower prices on other of the components (e.g. the various radio chips) through economies of scale, perhaps that could have off set the increased cost of the new display, especially if the difference is only $20? I'd imagine having done away with the two separate models for AT&T and Verizon would have saved a small bundle... guess we'll find out soon enough, counting my shekels now...

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Also am curious about the RAM. Doubled from the first generation to the second but is still only 512MB, not enough for tabbed browsing without ever having to reload pages. With the low data caps this is quite annoying, not to mention time consuming with slow connections. Really hope Apple went with a full gig on the iPad 3.
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post #49 of 134
The only time I've used my rear camera (actually just the video) on my iPad (as opposed to the iPhone), is when I'm face timing and showing something to who I'm talking to. Outside of that, I don't really use it. But I'm not sure if it's because of the functionality, or because it sucks so bad.

I also hope my case still fits (as well as my awesome screen protector). Not a ton of money, but $70ish for the two nonetheless.

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post #50 of 134
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Apple hasn't marketed the increased storage capacity in the iPhone 4S. Additionally, the high resolution display will require high resolution graphics which will require more storage capacity.

I hope Apple releases a 128GB version, it would fit perfectly in-between my MacBook Air, with 256GB, and my iPhone 4S, with 64GB.

I thought the same thing but there seems to about 110MB average size increase between the non-HiDPI iPhone and Touch and HiDPI iPhones and Touch for iOS 5.1b3.

Even if we use a percentage and round up from about 13 to 15% we still only get about 850MB (rounded up) for the iPad 3 file size even rounding up. There is only about a 70MB difference between the file sizes of all current iPads and the iPhone 3GS and 3rd gen Touch.

However, Apple has been keeping the capacity of the iPad above the iPhone up until the 4S release.

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I agree with everything else you mentioned in your post, but was wondering: If Tim Cook managed to finagle lower prices on other of the components (e.g. the various radio chips) through economies of scale, perhaps that could have off set the increased cost of the new display, especially if the difference is only $20? I'd imagine having done away with the two separate models for AT&T and Verizon would have saved a small bundle... guess we'll find out soon enough, counting my shekels now...

*sigh* Yeah, I'm sure Apple has covered all the bases. 8MP sensors are probably no biggie in 2012. It's how ~we~ are going to pay for the iPad 3 we should be worrying about. \
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I agree with everything else you mentioned in your post, but was wondering: If Tim Cook managed to finagle lower prices on other of the components (e.g. the various radio chips) through economies of scale, perhaps that could have off set the increased cost of the new display, especially if the difference is only $20? I'd imagine having done away with the two separate models for AT&T and Verizon would have saved a small bundle... guess we'll find out soon enough, counting my shekels now...

It seems everything you mentioned it possible though note that economies of scale will plateau and could possiblely become diseconomy of scale. I assume Apple won't be affected by the latter but they are in a tricky situation with pushing along with their current growth and hoping no other tablet or tablet OS platform can find a niche or potentially taking less now to get more in the future. Lots of numbers need to be crunched.

As for th $20 I just made that up as an example. I have no concept of what the new display will cost, if a much more expensive GPU will be needed, if it will require new, or more expensive battery tech t keep the size, weight and usage duration within certain parameters. The only think I am certain of is that the RAM will need to be increased to at least 1GB for a Retina Display.

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iPad 3 needs a killer forward-facing camera much more than it needs a better rear-facing one. A Retina display and a better forward-facing camera lens/sensor would be a real game changer. Right now, the Facetime camera is the real weak link.
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Huh? I can't understand why anyone would prefer the thicker & heavier iPad with the bulging backside over the lighter, svelte iPad 2. Can't wait to get my clammy little hands on the iPad 3 so I can fob off my iPad 3G.

everyone I know who has iPad 1 envies how thinner and lighter my iPad 2 is. To each his own I guess.
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iPad 3 needs a killer forward-facing camera much more than it needs a better rear-facing one. A Retina display and a better forward-facing camera lens/sensor would be a real game changer. Right now, the Facetime camera is the real weak link.

The Macs have a FaceTime HD camera (720p30) but the iPhone 4S only has a VGA camera so I am not expecting one.

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Also of course to go with the Retina Displays ~ this, changes everything. Again.

Exactly, the camera HAS to be as good as possible to take advantage of the display.

To those who think it will be awkward using a tablet as a camera, consider that the screen will amplify attention to composition. All the nasty mistakes hiding in the corners or the background will be visible. You will pause to frame. You will pick up scraps of paper on the ground that would be ruining the shot. The heft and squareness of the tablet will help you to be steady. Your pictures and videos will be insanely greater.

It will be part of the reinvention of photography that Mr. Jobs was wanting to do. This will be clearer when the 3D iPad comes out later. Or maybe this time around? I don't think so, but soon.
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Can't wait.

I'll be getting me one of those...

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Does anyone think any of these common rumours from components to event date are not going to happen? If you don't think some aspect will happen what is your reasoning?

Just a little affair back in 2010-11 called iPhone 5 with a larger screen and redesigned case. Photos were leaked too all throughout the year leading up to the unveiling of the iPhone 4S with the same screen and case as the iPhone 4. Whatever those leaked pictures were, it did not come to pass.

Unless a prototype was stolen from a bar, I don't put any weight to common rumors. The unknown is the canvas upon which we project whatever we want to believe. There are just as many rumors about aliens and crashed saucers at "Area 51."

I'm more interested in what Tim and Phil will say come March 7. I hope it is as lofty and magical as the rumor mill has made it out to be, but I'm going to give Apple the benefit of the doubt. They deserve an open mind, not supply-chain-leak-fed-prejudiced mind.

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I took "tapered design" as a reference to the speculated MBA-style tapering of an iPhone 5 (thinner on the bottom and thicker on the top), not simply to a tapered edge around the device. But I see what you mean.

True, "taper" is the wrong word, which comes from the shape of a candle, thin on one end, thicker on the other.

The better word would be "beveled" or "chamfered" or just "rounded edges."
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Exactly, the camera HAS to be as good as possible to take advatage of the display.

I'm not getting your reasoning. The display will be about 3.2Mpx. Even if we adjust for aspect ratio differences between the display and camera going past 5Mpx for stills seems plenty. For video 1080p will be standard for some time. For the front facing camera 720p is the max Apple has across the Mac line a you need real time video to be smooth. I can see going better but not as good as possible but I'm not a camera guy so why am I missing?

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I'm for better cameras front and rear. I don't have a smart phone.

Faster processors are always good to have. If the iPad 2's processor were compared to a desktop or netbook processor, which would it be closest to in performance? I have an older 1.8 GHz Intel Celeron with just 256 MB RAM running Windows XP. The iPad is probably as fast as that right now.

Apple should add a card reader to the iPads and just have one size fits all with the option to have connectivity to cell networks. It would make their supply line so much simpler. It might even give more space inside for the battery. They could drop the high capacity models and sell more iPads.

I've seen proof that dropping the price of a high priced product significantly will triple sales. Overall that means more profit with more people using the product. Doing this isn't a race to the bottom. It is about market penetration. All companies want as much of that as possible. Apple already dominates but could do even better.
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The question for me is "how do i use my iPad?" At home, traveling and on the go and increasingly for work.

Siri? Am I really going to hold up this tablet and talk to it like I do my iphone 4s? Probably not, I'm going to my iPhone. Its not in my pocket and as accessible as my iphone. Plus Siri is so hit and miss with its voice to text translation, its just not a deal breaker until the technology improves...and it will. For people without an iPhone 4s it might be a nice addition if you're looking at iPad.

Better camera? If I want to take quick pics on the move, I use my iPhone which has a good and very easy camera-like picture taking style. It is also imy pocket all the time so is super accessible unlike ipad which takes up a hand to hold it or you keep in a bag therfore not as accessible. Ipad trying to compete with iphone for photos is a losing battle. Its about accessibility, that why pocket camera sales are dwindling. If I'm at home then I'm going to use my DSLR and if I'm out and I have my DSLR then I'll use that. A really good camera on an iPad is not a deal breaker either, it's about accessibility. And most people have a decent smart phone with decent camera now, so why start using iPad camera?

Better resolution? Yeah that will be pretty nice but my iPad 2 is very good for movies, reading and surfing. Im not a big gamer so maybe this will be the place this feature will win. There is a trade off between movie size to match the screen res versus the memory of the device. So right now the rip quality for my movies versus my iPad 2 is perfect my my iPhone, HD tv and iPad. So a super high res screen? Another non deal breaker for me. As I said for gaming, maybe it will be a winner.

And a better chip? That would, be nice. iPhone 4 to 4s was good but not like VHS to DVD. Am I going to rush out and spend $899 (cause you have to have the best, right), no I am not.

So apart from having to have the newest Apple toy in my pocession, the rumored features coming are not ground breaking (based on MY usage) so why would I buy a new iPad?

How do you use your iPads?
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Faster processors are always good to have. If the iPad 2's processor were compared to a desktop or netbook processor, which would it be closest to in performance? I have an older 1.8 GHz Intel Celeron with just 256 MB RAM running Windows XP. The iPad is probably as fast as that right now.


A rough geustimate, but Medfeild is within 10% of the performance of laptop single core Atom chips, and it comes out ahead of dual core Cortex A9's which the iPad uses. So its still behind an Atom in performance, which is probably pretty close to your 1.8GHz Celeron.

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Better resolution? Yeah that will be pretty nice but my iPad 2 is very good for movies, reading and surfing. Im not a big gamer so maybe this will be the place this feature will win. There is a trade off between movie size to match the screen res versus the memory of the device. So right now the rip quality for my movies versus my iPad 2 is perfect my my iPhone, HD tv and iPad. So a super high res screen? Another non deal breaker for me. As I said for gaming, maybe it will be a winner.

I think you have this point backwards. For gaming it will probably be best to downgrade to a lower resolution put for better frame rates, but for HD movies it'll be better and for reading (anything) it will blow you away. Consider the difference between the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 displays when it came to crisp and clear text. I couldn't go back after I saw the Retina Display.

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As I said for gaming, maybe it will be a winner.

The iPhone 4 almost uniformly performed lower than the 3GS in GPU benchmarks despite faster hardware, and it was because the GPU had to put up with so many more pixels. I think its pretty certain the iPad 3 will have a better GPU to cope unlike the 3GS-4, but the improvement won't be as much as it would have been if they stayed with the same resolution, since again its putting up with way more pixels, and in this case more pixels than even 150+ watt desktop GPUs have to handle. So the resolution alone isn't great for gamers, but rather everything else will benefit more than games.

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How do you use your iPads?


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Funny, I still think the original iPad case was a classier design. The iPad2 felt a bit cheaper.

Either way, I'm, surprised they haven't included the metal volume buttons introduced on the iPhone 4.

Dunno about design, but my arm gets tired holding my iPad1 up to read in the bathtub. Yeah, I know, risky business.
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Dunno about design, but my arm gets tired holding my iPad1 up to read in the bathtub. Yeah, I know, risky business.

They make waterproof cases or you could just use a Ziploc bag.

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Does anyone think any of these common rumours from components to event date are not going to happen? If you don't think some aspect will happen what is your reasoning?

I think the rumors are generally true. It's the details that might not be.

For example.

Rumor has it that the iPad 3 will have a better camera. I think this is a given and thus true.

But will it be an 8MP with 1080p video, a flash etc. Perhaps, perhaps not. It all depends on the pricing and quality difference between that camera and say a 5MP with the same add ons. If the quality difference is scant but the price is not then I could see this time being lower on the MPs. After all, how many people are expected to use the iPad as a camera the way that a handheld item like the iPhone could be used. Probably not that many. The cameras are there mainly to support things like FaceTime.

do I believe that the iPad 3 could get a better processor and more RAM. Sure. Will it be a quad core with 1GB. perhaps not.

Do I believe that the iPad 3 could get a better display. Sure. But what about it will be better. Will it be the resolution, the backlight or perhaps both. Will it be a 'retina' in the sense of going up to 300+dpi, possibly not. Will that matter, perhaps not. Many folks will be fine with a display that can playback a 1080p video and have a backlight that makes outdoor use feasible in place of a display that has a vert of 1600p (only really the super geeks that live and die by fancy specs are going to care about that one)

And so on.

By the same token there are rumors that the Apple TV is going to revamp with the iPad 3 thus all the shortage talk. I think this is true. BUT will it be a 'real' tv. No, I don't think so at this time. Well in true I think never on that one but I admit that I could be wrong on that point and Apple might be going such a way. However I think that if they are, they will say that release until closer to the holidays since a new TV for the family is the type of thing folks are known to buy at that time.

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perhaps having a 4S in my pocket at the time and PhotoStream means it's pretty pointless now(?)

Agreed. The iPhone is much easier to hold stable for photo work.

That said, I wish they would add a way to either transfer photos via bluetooth or create an adhoc wifi connection for such transfers. Because many of my fav photo and video apps are much easier to use on the iPad but the camera on my 4s are so much better. And I often forget to put my camera connector kit in my bag.

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while I envision using the iPad's camera primarily when I need to take a photo while using the iPad.

The only person I know that uses the iPad cameras on a regular basis is my step brother and that's when he can get on the rec center's wifi to FaceTime our little brother's soccer games to me (I'm in Cali and they are in New York). If he can't get on wifi he borrows his dad's iPhone to film the games and then sends it to me (generally edited, the kid is a 13 year old iMovie master. lol)

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What's the deal with the black strip we keep seeing across the top of these iPad 3 shots? ...and the iPad 2 shot in this article, for that matter.
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I think the rumors are generally true. It's the details that might not be.

For example.

Rumor has it that the iPad 3 will have a better camera. I think this is a given and thus true.

But will it be an 8MP with 1080p video, a flash etc. Perhaps, perhaps not. It all depends on the pricing and quality difference between that camera and say a 5MP with the same add ons. If the quality difference is scant but the price is not then I could see this time being lower on the MPs. After all, how many people are expected to use the iPad as a camera the way that a handheld item like the iPhone could be used. Probably not that many. The cameras are there mainly to support things like FaceTime.

Goog points but Apple would also consider the future releases in their specs. For example, the first iPad has no camera, the 2nd iPad has a 0.9Mpx still/ 720p30 video camera. If the 3rd generation jumps not to 2.1Mpx still/1080p30 video (which I think makes sense) but instead matches the iPhone 4S in the camera quality then what does that leave for the following years? I'd think that going with 5Mpx still/1080p30 would be a large enough jump.

PS: I don't use the camera so I'm not sure if it changed with iOS 5.0 but in 4.x the camera button was on the button in the center despite the use holding it most likely on the sides. Did they fix this usability oversight?

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do I believe that the iPad 3 could get a better processor and more RAM. Sure. Will it be a quad core with 1GB. perhaps not.

If it's the HiDPI display then I think 1GB is required.

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Will it be a 'retina' in the sense of going up to 300+dpi, possibly not.

300 PPI was presented on a slide behind Jobs as a very basic measure that was only relevant to a phone. At 265 PPI a 10" tablet can be marketed as Retina Display for those with 20/20 vision (or worse) at 13" away from the eyes.

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By the same token there are rumors that the Apple TV is going to revamp with the iPad 3 thus all the shortage talk. I think this is true. BUT will it be a 'real' tv. No, I don't think so at this time. Well in true I think never on that one but I admit that I could be wrong on that point and Apple might be going such a way. However I think that if they are, they will say that release until closer to the holidays since a new TV for the family is the type of thing folks are known to buy at that time.

I'm thinking an updated iPod Touch (maybe a larger display Touch), a 1080p AppleTV (along with other HW changes), 1080p content in iTunes Store, and the iPad 3 at the end.

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What's the deal with the black strip we keep seeing across the top of these iPad 3 shots? ...and the iPad 2 shot in this article, for that matter.

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What's the deal with the black strip we keep seeing across the top of these iPad 3 shots? ...and the iPad 2 shot in this article, for that matter.

That's the radio transparent plastic strip for the models with cellular connectivity. The WiFi antenna is behind the Apple symbol on the back panel.

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Under no circumstances was Apple ever interested in LG or Samsung high-resolution screens that would have required a second backlight.

Was it Steve or Jonny that told you that.

Thought so.

We don't KNOW what Apple has been or is interested in. We KNOW only what they released.

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The iPad 3 will include this:

New, improved camera, both front & back.

Slightly larger battery.

Either new Dual Core CPU or Quad Core CPU. I don't really care which one, as they both will represent an improvement in speed. The GPU will also be improved obviously.

1 GB of RAM.

The Hi-Res retina display of course.

LTE/3G in certain models. I'll be getting the WIFI model as I don't really give a crap about LTE and I refuse to be ripped off by greedy and overpriced telecom companies.

SIRI. Apple will be including the same noise cancellation tech which is on the iPhone 4S and they will include it with the iPad 3.

iOS 5.1.

128 Gb in the highest model.

Simply put, the iPad 3 is going to be freaking irresistible! It's going to be a marvel of tech, unlike anything else seen before.
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Unless a prototype was stolen from a bar,

Can't really trust that either since it wouldn't be that hard to trump up a rumor that you had a prototype

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I'm more interested in what Tim and Phil will say come March 7.

Another alleged 'fact' that is in fact not at this point.

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I hope the iPad 3 will include this:

fixed it for ya

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fixed it for ya

Yep, those are my predictions.
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