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Apple's sixth-generation iPhone will debut about a year after the launch of the iPhone 4S, maintaining a fall introduction, according to a new report.

Citing a "reliable source," Japanese blog Macotakara reported on Monday that Apple's next iPhone is expected to debut in September or October of this year. It was said it appears that Apple plans to maintain this cycle "for years."

That would place the launch of the next iPhone about one year after the iPhone 4S debuted. Apple launched its current flagship iPhone in October of 2011.

The fall launch for the iPhone 4S was uncharacteristic for Apple, which in years past had launched new iPhone models in the months of June or July. But at last year's Worldwide Developers Conference in June, Apple chose not to introduce a new iPhone.

Last year's iPhone event essentially took the place of Apple's annual iPod event, which, in previous years, was held ahead of the holiday shopping season. But with the iPod representing a much smaller part of Apple's business, last year its portable music player lineup went relatively untouched, aside from a new white version of the iPod touch.




The launch of a new iPhone during the holiday shopping season paid off in a big way for Apple, which saw record sales of 37 million iPhones during its December quarter.

Though it would be unusual for Apple to release an entirely new iPhone model less than a year after debuting its last update, there have been various rumors that Apple planned to switch back to a June introduction in 2012. But Monday's report, if accurate, would indicate that Apple is content with a fall iPhone release schedule for 2012 and beyond.

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The biggest advantage of an iPhone fall release appears to be the ample opportunity for Apple to finish up iOS which is typically introduced to developers at the World Wide Developers Conference.
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It makes sense to replace the former September iPod/iTunes event with the iPhone introduction.
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Big sigh. I know lots of us who bought an iPhone 4 the day it was released in June 2010 were hoping for an iPhone 5 as our AT&T contracts expire. I'll qualify for a 4S upgrade soon, but I think it's worth it to wait for a 5. Ah well. It really does make sense for Apple to release a new iPhone in Fall.
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It makes sense to replace the former September iPod/iTunes event with the iPhone introduction.

I think so, too. The iPod market is dwindling fast enough that it shouldn't be the focus of an entire event. Plus, with the iPad (and now iPod Touch) being rleased about 6 months apart with mostly the same components they can space out the component inventory crunch better.

I expect the iPad to have a quad-core Cortex-A9, the Touch to be updated along side it but with the A5 in the current iPhone, then in the Fall the 6th generation iPhone to get a dial-core Cortex-A15 with the iPad to get a quad-core Cortex-A15 about 6 months later.

New iPad, new iPhone, new Mac. Going to be a costly year.

PS: I appreciate Neil Hughes using the "sixth-gen iPhone" in the title and article.

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Oh is it really now?
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PS: I appreciate Neil Hughes using the "sixth-gen iPhone" in the title and article.


You really thing there's been enough discussion on what it will be named?
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Big sigh. I know lots of us who bought an iPhone 4 the day it was released in June 2010 were hoping for an iPhone 5 as our AT&T contracts expire. I'll qualify for a 4S upgrade soon, but I think it's worth it to wait for a 5. Ah well. It really does make sense for Apple to release a new iPhone in Fall.

Ditto. I bought my iPhone 4 late in the summer, and I am now eligible for an update. My wife is eligible in July. We were both hoping for a summer release as well.

This is one of the few times that I'm actually waiting for something from Apple, rather than just buying what I need (want) when I need (want) it.

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You really thing there's been enough discussion on what it will be named?

Lets just name it Fred.

I still don't it the 6th generation, but the 6th release.

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I expect the iPad to have a quad-core Cortex-A9, the Touch to be updated along side it but with the A5 in the current iPhone, then in the Fall the 6th generation iPhone to get a dial-core Cortex-A15 with the iPad to get a quad-core Cortex-A15 about 6 months later.

Any thoughts about what they'll be called? A6 to match (hopefully) the naming of the next iPhone, or the dual-core A6 and quad-core A6, or something else entirely?

We can probably rely on it being "less techy" than the ARM moniker, but not as crap as Intel's/Google's etc. naming systems of Sandyballs/Honeycomb/Snapdragon/Whatever.


On topic, this is a good idea if they're not going to be updating the iPods again, but this seems rather unlikely given the uncharacteristic non-update in 2011. The Bluetooth nano watch w/iCloud notifications could be a good step, a VOIP-compatible touch with slightly-more converged hardware, along with a shift to just those two lines, perhaps dropping the nano in price to offset shuffle demand. The shuffle and classic should be up for funerals IMO.

iPhone 6 will be sick, it's going to be worth waiting to see what Sir Joni and Mr Steve were working on last year. It wasn't the "4S", that's 4 Sure.
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Must be true. Otherwise we'd be seeing a developer preview of iOS 6 just about now.
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I have little faith in this rumor, but that timeframe wouldn't surprise me.

Regardless, I will hold onto my iPhone 4 and resist the 4S, even though I am just out of contract.

iPad 3 next month, iPhone 5 whenever, new MBP (or whatever they call it) upon all new Retina design.
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According to a new report... "no sh*t????" Sorry to be blunt but seriously, when has this ever not been the case? Give or take a month or two, it's always been roughly a year outside of new carrier additions. Any "reliable" source would be someone who can see an obvious pattern.
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Big sigh. I know lots of us who bought an iPhone 4 the day it was released in June 2010 were hoping for an iPhone 5 as our AT&T contracts expire. I'll qualify for a 4S upgrade soon, but I think it's worth it to wait for a 5. Ah well. It really does make sense for Apple to release a new iPhone in Fall.

Have you actually checked your upgrade eligibility or are you just assuming? I bought the 4 in October of 2010 but was able to get upgrade pricing in January of 2012. I don't know if my timing is shorter because of the type of plan I have or the fact that we have two iPhones on AT&T but I have generally seen much shorter upgrade times on my accounts.
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Will T-mobile get the iPhone this year?

My local bell offers cell phones and the roaming service is collaborated with T-mobile. If T-mobile gets iPhone, I feel that my local bell should also get it
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Is anyone here going to refuse to buy the next iPhone if Apple reveals to the world an iPhone 5 rather than a 6? Honestly, people seem to take that far too seriously as if it ends up being named the wrong number people will go into convulsive fits. For all we know someone at Apple took a liking to the name "Nexus One" and decided we'll go backward and call it the "iPhone One" simply because there never was a "1"...it was just "iPhone". I doubt whatever they call it will ultimately harm sales...regardless of a summer or a fall release.

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According to a new report... "no sh*t????" Sorry to be blunt but seriously, when has this ever not been the case? Give or take a month or two, it's always been roughly a year outside of new carrier additions. Any "reliable" source would be someone who can see an obvious pattern.

Last year was the first fall release... 16 months between update. Apple's pattern prior to that 4 years in a row was a one year release date.

Personally, I still think there is a chance for a late June reveal, early July release.

To me it totally depends on what Apple's number crunchers say. Last year they saw a serious drop off of sales in calendar quarter 2011. I think the phone is ready and Apple will release the next phone June if they see too much of a drop off in this quarter. Later only makes sense if 4S sales are strong over the next 2 quarters.

I also believe that the updated styling of the v6 phone will easily push iPhone sales into the stratosphere for the next 4 to 6 quarters after release... iow... sales will not dwindle in the quarter prior to the intro of a new phone.
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Is anyone here going to refuse to buy the next iPhone if Apple reveals to the world an iPhone 5 rather than a 6? Honestly, people seem to take that far too seriously as if it ends up being named the wrong number people will go into convulsive fits. For all we know someone at Apple took a liking to the name "Nexus One" and decided we'll go backward and call it the "iPhone One" simply because there never was a "1"...it was just "iPhone". I doubt whatever they call it will ultimately harm sales...regardless of a summer or a fall release.

I don't recall anyone saying they wouldn't buy the iPhone if were named one way or would only buy it if it were named another. The debate was squarely on what was logical from a development PoV, not on desirably. I'm still expecting it to be called iPhone ST (since T comes after S).

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Apple's sixth-generation iPhone will debut about a year after the launch of the iPhone 4S, maintaining a fall introduction, according to a new report. ...

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It'll be such a disappointment...if it's named iPhone 4G and has the same form factor. who cares that the insides would be better. Same form factor, not named 5/6 = failure.
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It'll be such a disappointment...if it's named iPhone 4G and has the same form factor. who cares that the insides would be better. Same form factor, not named 5/6 = failure.

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Last year was the first fall release... 16 months between update. Apple's pattern prior to that 4 years in a row was a one year release date.

Personally, I still think there is a chance for a late June reveal, early July release.

To me it totally depends on what Apple's number crunchers say. Last year they saw a serious drop off of sales in calendar quarter 2011. I think the phone is ready and Apple will release the next phone June if they see too much of a drop off in this quarter. Later only makes sense if 4S sales are strong over the next 2 quarters. ...

I think you are reasoning from the "wrong end" here.

The only drop off in sales volume the iPhone has ever experienced is last year because of the 16 months instead of twelve. This is the only time when Android was really "ahead" as well. This wasn't because the device wasn't ready or that they were having problems getting it out the door it was a deliberate planned move. Apple has rarely shown any trouble in meeting the yearly product release cycle for iPods and iPhones and iPads, and all the rumours of them delaying the 4s for technical reasons are actually completely unsubstantiated.

It was a one time hit necessary because they intentionally moved the iPhone release date to the Fall.

You only have to look at the sales graph of iPods (the *only* Apple product actually declining in sales), to see that they needed a *star* for the September event to replace it.
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The iPhone next will be released on the day Apple thinks will result in the biggest sales. A lot of factors will go into the decision. Renewals, available,supply, competitor release plans. No analysts outside of Apple have even a slight idea of what that day will be. It is like.tring to guess the picture based on two pieces from a 1000 piece puzzle.it is just as likely to be a frog as a moon or a space station.
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The only drop off in sales volume the iPhone has ever experienced is last year because of the 16 months instead of twelve.

Don't forget the end of the first iPhone release when they stopped production of the original that caused about 6 weeks of virtually no sales for the device.

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This is the only time when Android was really "ahead" as well.

Are we talking Android OS for all devices compared to iOS for all devices or Android OS for smartphones compared to IOS for iPhone?

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The iPhone next will be released on the day Apple thinks will result in the biggest sales. A lot of factors will go into the decision. Renewals, available,supply, competitor release plans. No analysts outside of Apple have even a slight idea of what that day will be. It is like.tring to guess the picture based on two pieces from a 1000 piece puzzle.it is just as likely to be a frog as a moon or a space station.

I think that is why they moved to a fall release date to begin with. You always see those numbers that 50% of consumer spending (or whatever the actual # is, but it's way higher than 25%) is done in the 4th quarter. With Apple releasing the iphone in the summer, it was a 6 month old (give or take) phone by Christmas. Launching it in October made it brand new for Christmas & had to help sales compared to Android phones. And October was still close enough to the beginnign of school that anyone who wanted to send their kid to college with a new smartphone could wait it out.

I really think that the fall refresh is the way to go. When ipods were the big drivers they were updated in the fall (IIRC). Now the iphone has taken over that spot in the lineup.
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Chalk one up for sanity - one year cycle looks good for all involved - purchasers, developers, manufacturers, Apple - less chaos, more value, etc.
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I want to know if other vendors are going to learn from Apple's yearly release cycle or continue flooding the market with poorly serviced bi-monthy release cycles. Of all the things companies copy from Apple the things they don't seem to copy are the unprotected business model and quality that has made Apple the leader in all arms of its business.

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The biggest advantage of an iPhone fall release appears to be the ample opportunity for Apple to finish up iOS which is typically introduced to developers at the World Wide Developers Conference.

Good point. Announce the new iOS at WWDC and ship with the new iPhone in Sept/Oct.

I hope this doesn't mean the end of new iPods every Sept/Oct.
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I think so, too. The iPod market is dwindling fast enough that it shouldn't be the focus of an entire event. Plus, with the iPad (and now iPod Touch) being rleased about 6 months apart with mostly the same components they can space out the component inventory crunch better.

I expect the iPad to have a quad-core Cortex-A9, the Touch to be updated along side it but with the A5 in the current iPhone, then in the Fall the 6th generation iPhone to get a dial-core Cortex-A15 with the iPad to get a quad-core Cortex-A15 about 6 months later.

iPhone coming out in October is perfect, lines them up nicely for the holiday sales. If they release the phone in the summer, it's still popular, but less "ooh shiny" factor by Christmas. Previously the iPod was the big sales item. That's been replaced.

Also, why would you expect the processor to split designs? Part of Apple's economy of scale is the fact that so far, they have been debuting a new processor in the iPad, then having it trickle down to the iPhone later that year. This lets them buy many more of the same processors and have a lower cost per chip. I don't think they will go quad A9 iPad, dual A15 iPhone, quad A15 iPad. That just doesn't make sense w/the way Apple is currently doing business.
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Lets just name it Fred.

I still don't it the 6th generation, but the 6th release.

Generations:
1st: iPhone
2nd: iPhone 3G and 3Gs
3nd: iPhone 4 and 4s
4th: Fred

My sources say they are going to drop gen numbers and just reference the year

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I think so, too. The iPod market is dwindling fast enough that it shouldn't be the focus of an entire event. Plus, with the iPad (and now iPod Touch) being rleased about 6 months apart with mostly the same components they can space out the component inventory crunch better.

I expect the iPad to have a quad-core Cortex-A9, the Touch to be updated along side it but with the A5 in the current iPhone, then in the Fall the 6th generation iPhone to get a dial-core Cortex-A15 with the iPad to get a quad-core Cortex-A15 about 6 months later.

New iPad, new iPhone, new Mac. Going to be a costly year.

PS: I appreciate Neil Hughes using the "sixth-gen iPhone" in the title and article.

Really? Typically, the iPad has been the device with the newest chipset, with the iPhone getting an underclocked version later.
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Also, why would you expect the processor to split designs? Part of Apple's economy of scale is the fact that so far, they have been debuting a new processor in the iPad, then having it trickle down to the iPhone later that year. This lets them buy many more of the same processors and have a lower cost per chip. I don't think they will go quad A9 iPad, dual A15 iPhone, quad A15 iPad. That just doesn't make sense w/the way Apple is currently doing business.

1) Apple is making so many of these processors between just the iPad and just the iPhone that there is probably little to no gain at that level of scale. By then the cost per unit has long since plateaued for the years the device will be sold.

2) Apple's A# PoPs are showing to be unique between the iPad and iPhone even when having the same name. So far they've had the same processor but there have been some differences. For instance the iPad A4 had only 256MB RAM yet the iPhone's A4 had 512MB RAM. There is also the iPad's A5 not having the Audience EarSmart noise reduction tech that came in the iPhone's A5 chip.

3) This is an unusual time for ARM in that he quad-core Cortex-A9s are at production now, with the dual-core Cortex-A15s are suppose to be at production when the next iPhone is ready and the quad-core Cortex-A15s are tentatively suppose to be at production around this time next year when the iPad 4 is expected to drop.

4) So should Apple not use Cortex-A15 this year simply to stick with the same CPU as the iPad even though there are difference between them for the same year and name, and when there is likely no cost savings, especially when you consider that Cortex-A15 could reduce power usage while increasing performance thus increasing sales for the device? I don't think so.

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Are we talking Android OS for all devices compared to iOS for all devices or Android OS for smartphones compared to IOS for iPhone?

LOL!

You say that so often you should put it in your signature.
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LOL!

You say that so often you should put it in your signature.

I probably should. I'm sure by now you have noticed I like my statements properly qualified to remove all ambiguity.

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Big sigh. I know lots of us who bought an iPhone 4 the day it was released in June 2010 were hoping for an iPhone 5 as our AT&T contracts expire. I'll qualify for a 4S upgrade soon, but I think it's worth it to wait for a 5. Ah well. It really does make sense for Apple to release a new iPhone in Fall.

Ditto. AT&T is the reason I am skipping the 4S. I am waiting for the iPhone 4SS

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My sources say they are going to drop gen numbers and just reference the year

That would be a good idea - iPhone 2012. That way you know exactly how old a used model is.

If the next iPhone runs on an A5X processor and runs iOS 5, it's just too confusing having it sequentially numbered after a 4S.
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I think you are reasoning from the "wrong end" here.

The only drop off in sales volume the iPhone has ever experienced is last year because of the 16 months instead of twelve.

Well, there shouldn't have been any drop off in sales according to your logic. Please note there was one other drop off as well and I'm not sure if Solipsism is totally correct in saying that it was because of a complete lack of production. I'm also wondering if you have a crystal ball because you seem to be saying that there won't be a drop off in sales for this quarter compared to the holiday quarter. News to me, I haven't seen the figures yet. Please provide a link. If Apple sees a drop 2 quarters in a row you can believe the update will happen sooner than later. Regardless, it won't matter next year because the v6 iPhone will have blow out sales for much longer than the usual one year cycle.

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This is the only time when Android was really "ahead" as well. This wasn't because the device wasn't ready or that they were having problems getting it out the door it was a deliberate planned move. Apple has rarely shown any trouble in meeting the yearly product release cycle for iPods and iPhones and iPads, and all the rumours of them delaying the 4s for technical reasons are actually completely unsubstantiated.
It was a one time hit necessary because they intentionally moved the iPhone release date to the Fall.

LOL. I never even mentioned this but, please, knock yourself out. By the way, nobody has ever proven one way or the other that this was a planned move or that it was necessary because of changes to iOS that Apple wanted to incorporate into the 4S on release. Maybe you have insider information. Link please.

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You only have to look at the sales graph of iPods (the *only* Apple product actually declining in sales), to see that they needed a *star* for the September event to replace it.

LOL! There's that crystal ball thing again... actually, it looks like more insider information. Link please. Why couldn't that *star* event be the new TV this year? Perfect for the holiday quarter.
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I want to know if other vendors are going to learn from Apple's yearly release cycle or continue flooding the market with poorly serviced bi-monthy release cycles. Of all the things companies copy from Apple the things they don't seem to copy are the unprotected business model and quality that has made Apple the leader in all arms of its business.

i agree....Apple chooses quality over quantity and blends hardware with software into an overall device experience. Taking their time for better design and inovation in their product.

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And the 7th gen will be.....?

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i agree....Apple chooses quality over quantity and blends hardware with software into an overall device experience. Taking their time for better design and inovation in their product.

And yet they are sell more PMPs, smartphones, and tablets per model than anyone. I don't even think Apple predicted this level of success.

I predict that with ML and the new MBPs we'll see an even faster rise in Mac PC sales, an area they already dominate in profit but still aren't top dog in revenue and of course not in unit market share. I think MS Win8 will be a dud for tablets even if they are the closest competitor for the iPad which will continue the iPad stripping away at PC market share. In the end Windows will be much less affected than PC vendors due to it's spread but it will continue to get its market share chipped it over the quarters.

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