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Workers at Apple partner Foxconn have alleged that their employer transferred underage employees to other departments or did not schedule them to work overtime in order to avoid discovery during recent inspections by the Fair Labor Association, according to one non-governmental organization.

Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehavior (SACOM) project officer Debby Sze Wan Chan relayed the claims in a recent interview with AppleInsider. SACOM is a Hong Kong-based NGO that was formed in 2005 and has been researching labor rights violations in the electronics industry since 2007.

Chan said she had heard from two Foxconn workers in Zhenghou last week that the manufacturer was "prepared for the inspection" by the Fair Labor Association that had been commissioned by Apple and began last week.

"All underage workers, between 16-17 years old, were not assigned any overtime work and some of them were even sent to other departments," Chan reported the workers as having said.

Another Foxconn worker in Chengdu said she had been allowed three breaks a day recently because of the audit, whereas she is accustomed to only receiving one break a day.

Apple's supplier code of conduct allows for workers between 16 and 18 years old if they are legally allowed to work, but it requires special protections for those workers that limit how much and what kinds of work they are allowed to perform.

FLA president Auret van Heerden initially told reporters last week that Foxconn's facilities were "first class," though he did add that there are "tons of issues" that need resolving. He also revealed in an interview with Nightline that Apple had paid $250,000 to join the FLA and was picking up the bill for the audits.

van Heerden did say in that interview that he expected Foxconn to put on a show. The FLA plans to conduct "bottom up interviews" as part of its audit, as noted by TUAW.

According to SACOM, some Foxconn workers feel that Apple does not care about them because they believe the company's representatives have seen labor violations during their visits and have elected not to do anything. Chan recounted instances where she had told workers about a letter that Apple CEO Tim Cook allegedly wrote declaring that the company cares about "every worker in [its] supply chain."

"The workers just feedback that they don't feel this [care]," she said.


Foxconn workers file down the Apple logo on an iPad component. | Credit: Almin Karamehmedovic/ABC News


"Most of the time, the workers are aware of the presence of Apple's representatives inside the factories. It is not the problem that Apple doesn't know the real problems at their suppliers. They know, but it is only because they do not care," she added.

For her part, Chan said she hopes that Cook will work to improve working conditions among suppliers, but she also expressed doubts whether he has "any commitments to do so."

SACOM has drafted a petition calling for Apple to "end the use of student workers; provide a living wage for all the workers so they do not have to work excessive overtime hours; conduct labour rights training for workers, including training on occupational health and safety; facilitate the formation of a genuine trade union through democratic election; and compensate the victims if there is non-compliance with the Apple code of conduct."

Chan said she had yet to receive a reply from Apple after more than two years of trying to contact the company. She even visited Apple's Cupertino, Calif., headquarters in an attempt to deliver reports, documentaries and petition cards to the company, but, according to her, the receptionist refused to receive SACOM's materials.

"Finally, a security guard tried to disperse us and he promised that he would hand the materials to someone in charge, but I haven't heard from them since then," she said.

SACOM protesters attempted to deliver Apple a petition from Sum of Us on Tuesday at the Apple Store in Hong Kong, but no one from the company would accept it.

Apple did not respond to requests for comment from AppleInsider.

When asked whether recent reports from The New York Times and CNN on Apple's supply chain are accurate, Chan said their findings were "quite similar" to her organization's own research..

"The workers always tell us they resemble machines," she said of her trips to the Foxconn's Chengdu factory. "Their regular day at Foxconn is waking up, queuing up for baths and work, work and go back to the dormitory and sleep. They do not have a social life and they are doing the same monotonous task in the factory for thousands of times a day. If they are not efficient enough or they make some mistakes, they will be yelled at by their supervisor or punished."

Chan took things a step further and said that mainstream media outlets have left out an important issue that should be under the spotlight: involuntary labor and the use of student workers. According to her, local Chinese government departments provide recruitment assistance for Foxconn and sometimes require that schools send their students to the manufacturer for internships even if their studies are in unrelated disciplines.

She also said that a recent raise from Foxconn was not enough to provide livable wages to its workers. The company announced last week that it was raising worker pay by between 16 and 25 percent. Other manufacturers, including Flextronics, Huawei and Wintek have also increased their basic salaries for their workers.

"In Zhengzhou, the basic salary of new workers is CNY 1350 ($214)," Chan said. "And there is a deduction of CNY 150 ($24) for the dorm. If a worker eats inside the factory, there is another CNY 200-300 ($32-48) to pay. It is far from the living wage standard. Without overtime premiums, a worker can hardly support his/herself."

One Foxconn VP appeared to put the onus on Apple in a recent interview by saying that the company would welcome demands from its client to double worker pay.

Chan did admit that many factory jobs are better than opportunities in workers' hometowns, but she pointed out that the fact that the opportunities are better than others should not be an excuse to violate workers' basic labor rights.

It should also be noted that other brands have a responsibility to ensure fair conditions in their supply chains. As the biggest IT manufacturer in the world, Foxconn provides services for a number of Apple's competitors, including HP, Dell, Nokia, Samsung and Sony. Chan said working conditions on production lines for most companies at Foxconn are generally "quite similar," though she did note that interviewees have indicated that Finnish handset maker Nokia does try to guarantee at least one day a week off for Foxconn workers assembling its products. Other production lines might only allow one day off every two weeks, Chan added.

When asked what individual consumers should do to act on concerns about working conditions in the electronics industry, Chan urged buyers to put pressure on companies, including Apple.

"I think the pressure from consumers is definitely the most important incentive for Apple to reform because Apple, like any other corporation, aims to maximize the profits and minimize the responsibility. If there is no pressure from consumers then Apple does not need to care about criticism from the public."

"Apple has its code of conduct, but that is merely a piece of paper without a mechanism to enforce those standards," she continued. "When we demand that Apple should fix the problem, it's not just because Apple is under the spotlight, but it's also because we hope to hold Apple accountable because the company has publicly pledged lots of things, like that they will ensure decent working conditions at its suppliers."

To its credit, Apple has made some moves toward greater transparency with its supply chain as it looks to curb worker rights abuses and environmental violations in addition to its decision to join the FLA. One well-known Chinese environmental activist revealed earlier this week that Apple had agreed to allow his organization to audit two of its suppliers. Apple also released a public list of its suppliers last month for the first time. In addition, the company allowed Nightline an unprecedented look at iPhone and iPad production lines.

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1) Weir spoke to someone admittedly 17yo. Why is that too young? I was in college and living and working full time on my own at age 17.

2) With so many people vying for jobs at Foxconn why would Foxconn have to hire underage workers that would violate laws and/or contracts?

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It sounded like a lot of what a "friend of a friend saw" and not any kind of proof that what Chan is stating like it is fact, is anything other than rumors. Repeating a lie doesn't make it the truth. Besides everyone in the factory is wearing masks, how would an Apple executive know if those eyes peeking out between the hat and the mask were 16, 17, or even 26, or 27?
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It sounded like a lot of what a "friend of a friend saw" and not any kind of proof that what Chan is stating like it is fact, is anything other than rumors. Repeating a lie doesn't make it the truth. Besides everyone in the factory is wearing masks, how would an Apple executive know if those eyes peeking out between the hat and the mask were 16, 17, or even 26, or 27?

IS this really so hard to believe? I think not and Apple is also not all ice cream and candy.

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1) Weir spoke to someone admittedly 17yo. Why is that too young? I was in college and living and working full time on my own at age 17.

2) With so many people vying for jobs at Foxconn why would Foxconn have to hire underage workers that would violate laws and/or contracts?

Somewhat different from where you live and Chine, don't you think.

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Somewhat different from where you live and Chine, don't you think.

So tell me why 17yo can't work in China and how Weir talked to a 17yo if they are not allowed to work and were apparently locked away from the investigators.

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This whole affair isn't about China, it's about America. The unions, regulators, and taxes have driven labor abroad, and now they want to piss all over China to somehow force those jobs back. Not going to happen.

Our government and special interest groups have made manufacturing and labor impossible in the USA, which has utterly destroyed the middle class.

China wont make our mistakes, and they will continue to thrive. So before we start pointing fingers, remember how you voted in the last election first and blame yourself.
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I'm assuming if anybody is between 16-18 and working, then they are doing it because they want to and they are getting paid adequately, so what's the problem again? There are probably many in that age who would love to have such an opportunity, if the alternatives are far worse or none at all.

Do I give two shits if the worker assembling my iPad 3 is 17 or 18 or 19 or 20? No, I do not.

Are there any prepubescent children working there? Is anybody chained to the walls? Well, then there is no problem at all.

Maybe if the activist morons can get these workers fired, perhaps a few of the fired workers will proceed to blow their brains out in sheer desperation, because they no longer have any job or income, thanks to some hypocritical, ignorant activists who think that they know best. Maybe their whole family will starve too. Yep, that sounds like a real noble goal.

All of this China/Apple news and rumors is quite comical and also pathetic, as it's merely media hype.
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No matter what Apple does it will never be enough, as someone will always find something to complain about. No factory or company is perfect, there is and always will be room for improvement. Who can and / or who should determine what is enough as everybody and every country has different standards and expectations?

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Haha. Fuck these pathetic fools.



Many student workers report that after repeating the same motion thousands of times a day, they feel like machines.

No fucking kidding! You work in a factory, you dipshits! That's what people do! My Grandmother and Grandfather used to both work in a factory a long time ago. My Grandfather worked in a factory for decades. That's what fucking people do in factories. Jeez, these people are dumber than a rotten sack of potatoes.
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I'm assuming if anybody is between 16-18 and working, then they are doing it because they want to and they are getting paid adequately, so what's the problem again? There are probably many in that age who would love to have such an opportunity, if the alternatives are far worse or none at all.

Do I give two shits if the worker assembling my iPad 3 is 17 or 18 or 19 or 20? No, I do not.

Are there any prepubescent children working there? Is anybody chained to the walls? Well, then there is no problem at all.

Maybe if the activist morons can get these workers fired, perhaps a few of the fired workers will proceed to blow their brains out in sheer desperation, because they no longer have any job or income, thanks to some hypocritical, ignorant activists who think that they know best. Maybe their whole family will starve too. Yep, that sounds like a real noble goal.

All of this China/Apple news and rumors is quite comical and also pathetic, as it's merely media hype.

I think most of these big city liberal activist types don't understand anything outside of their academia circles.

And you are correct. I didn't see any walls or machine guns holding people in.

Clearly people would rather work hard for Foxconn than eat cat meat and rice in some shit hole Chinese country village.

China is a glorified 3rd world nation. No wonder thousands line up for work. I would too.

Also, all these leftists union morons need to get it through their noggin, Apple is not bringing those jobs here. They can do this smear campaign all day and night, never going to happen.
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The simple answer is to fully automate the system, replace them with robots and then they'll be wishing they could repeat the same action over and over again.
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Maybe if the activist morons can get these workers fired, perhaps a few of the fired workers will proceed to blow their brains out in sheer desperation, because they no longer have any job or income, thanks to some hypocritical, ignorant activists who think that they know best. Maybe their whole family will starve too. Yep, that sounds like a real noble goal.

Oh precisely. 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' as they say.

These people lack the brain power to perceive that the consequences of their actions are quite the opposite of what they hope to achieve.
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IS this really so hard to believe? I think not and Apple is also not all ice cream and candy.

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force.
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Haha. Fuck these pathetic fools.



Many student workers report that after repeating the same motion thousands of times a day, they feel like machines.

No fucking kidding! You work in a factory, you dipshits! That's what people do! My Grandmother and Grandfather used to both work in a factory a long time ago. My Grandfather worked in a factory for decades. That's what fucking people do in factories. Jeez, these people are dumber than a rotten sack of potatoes.

Are you saying that most factory jobs in China aren't white collar jobs? Jeez, what's up with that?

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"In Zhengzhou, the basic salary of new workers is CNY 1350 ($214)," Chan said. "And there is a deduction of CNY 150 ($24) for the dorm. If a worker eats inside the factory, there is another CNY 200-300 ($32-48) to pay. It is far from the living wage standard. Without overtime premiums, a worker can hardly support his/herself."

Wow. Chan really sucks at basic arithmetic! $214 - $24 - $48 = $142. In other words, with no overtime, workers have almost exactly two-thirds of their pay packet left after paying for accommodation and food. So how exactly is that "hardly supporting his/herself"? It's also interesting that her numbers (wage, accommodation costs and food costs) are all different from those reported by Nightline.
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Wow. Chan really sucks at basic arithmetic! $214 - $24 - $48 = $142. In other words, with no overtime, workers have almost exactly two-thirds of their pay packet left after paying for accommodation and food. So how exactly is that "hardly supporting his/herself"? It's also interesting that her numbers (wage, accommodation costs and food costs) are all different from those reported by Nightline.

$142? Only 3.5 years to buy an iPad? Really?
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other meals? other expenses? $142? really?

Yes, really. Costs in China don't equal costs in the U.S. Can you get accommodation in the U.S. for $24 a month? or all your meals for $48 a month?

Two-thirds of your pay packet left after paying for accommodation and meals is not "hardly supporting yourself".
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Hopefully justice is brought to these workers.
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Hopefully justice is brought to these workers.

And what exactly is "justice" for these workers?

If Foxconn closed, the lives of everyone working there and their families would get considerably worse. Why do people travel from all over the country to get a job at Foxconn? Why doesn't everyone quit after one or two weeks working there to get a better job?

The facts are that the pay at Foxconn is good for the type of work involved and no-one is forced to work there against their will.

However, I would say that I think the hours are high and living accommodation could be substantially better. In terms of conditions for workers, I would like to see Apple put their money where their mouth is and spend some of their $100 billion on funding improvements to accommodation at Foxconn and their other OEM partners (if Apple spent $500 million on this they'd still have $99.5 billion left in the bank and the accommodation would be amazing).
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"She also said that a recent raise from Foxconn was not enough to provide livable wages to its workers."

How are the wages not livable? Not only do they support the workers with food and shelter, but a significant portion goes back to the villages to improve the lives of their families. Will they be making livable wages if Foxconn adopts robots to do their jobs?
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$142? Only 3.5 years to buy an iPad? Really?

Do you understand the notion of buying power?
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Hopefully justice is brought to these workers.

Care to explain what injustice has taken place?
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Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force.

Ever heard of Occam's razor?

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I am so sick and tired of all these "labor" groups trying to find fault with Apple's factory suppliers in China. Who the fuck are we to complain about another country's labor laws? Could you imagine if Chinese groups started complaining about our labor laws? We think we are so high and mighty on the economic scale that we can dictate to other countries how we think they should run their companies. We can't even provide jobs for our own citizens right here in America!! We send our manufacturing business to other countries because it's cheaper to manufacture the products. Unions and labor lobbyists have completely ruined our working middle-class's chance of having any real chance of an economic future worthy of retirement. Meanwhile, The Chinese will sit back, collect all this economic wealth we give them, and they will laugh all the way to being an economic super-power.

If you don't like your "idea" of where and how electronics and clothing have been manufactured overseas, then stop buying those products. That means you need to stop using your precious smartphone, tablets, computers, televisions, kitchen appliances, and take those clothes off your back!! Go live in a fucking cave, hunt your food, cook it over a fire and STFU!!

I'm 37 years old and recently went back to school to earn my BA with high hopes it would help me get a decent job. I'm now unemployed and up to my neck in debt. Thanks American labor unions and elected politicians for forcing companies to send our manufacturing jobs overseas!!
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Hopefully justice is brought to these workers.

If the workers in these factories are even remembered in a few years time by some of the people here claiming to be looking out for their interests, then I will be very surprised.

Oh, and by the way, your good intentions cost them their jobs:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknap...n-three-years/

Mind if they stay at your house while they get back on their feet?

It's the right thing to do.
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This whole affair isn't about China, it's about America. The unions, regulators, and taxes have driven labor abroad, and now they want to piss all over China to somehow force those jobs back. Not going to happen.

Our government and special interest groups have made manufacturing and labor impossible in the USA, which has utterly destroyed the middle class.

China wont make our mistakes, and they will continue to thrive. So before we start pointing fingers, remember how you voted in the last election first and blame yourself.

You are partially correct, though I'm sure by special interest you're referring to unions, in which case you are entirely wrong. You need to tune off Faux News, or at least expand your news reading list. First, the Wall St. Journal (not a leftwing paper by any means) is reporting that corporate taxes are at the lowest they have ever been, and in fact, are, on average, lower than most other western countries. Now you have the super rich running elections with their superpacs and what's Washington talking about? Lowering corporate taxes, so yeah, special interests are responsible, but not the ones you think. It is the same corporations that are outsourcing jobs that are lobbying congress for more free trade markets and lower taxes. It isn't taxes that is driving corporations to move jobs oversees, it is their greedy owners who want to make a bigger profit by exploiting the Chinese workforce. You want to blame something for manufacturing jobs being shipped overseas? Blame free trade.

It costs apple nothing to import all the products being manufactured in China, so of course, they are going to seek a cheaper labor force where there really aren't labor standards. It won't last long, as Chinese workers are moving from poverty to the middle class and are demanding a better quality of life and better job conditions. Chinese workers will unionize and labor standards will improve, and corporations will seek a new labor force to exploit: Africa.

As always, you people are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.
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Ever heard of Occam's razor?

I hate Occam's razor. Occam's razor exists so that stupid people can simplify complicated things at the expense of reality.
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However, I would say that I think the hours are high and living accommodation could be substantially better.

Their accommodation is considerably better than most that I have seen in China. I travelled through there this year, standard housing is pretty grim!
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This is retarded & very lame!!!
i started working when i was 16, my step brother was almost 15, he wanted to work at mcdonalds to get some cash to buy stuff he wanted.
the is bs, why its even given the light of day & wasting my time by reading such retardation i have no idea.....The End...
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Foxconn should raise their pay to something decent and surprise audits should happen 10 times a year completely randomly. Eventually the whole thing would be tidied up. Yes they are bored, but Foxconn should continue to try ways to alleviate their boredom. You'll never win entirely, but Foxconn should be in a position to listen to their workers concerns and to try to help solve their work problems. If they limited every worker to a particular job for 3 months and then reshuffled that may have a very positive affect on their well being.
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Disney Corporation owns the ABC News network. The fact that the Steve Jobs Trust is Disneys largest individual shareholder, coupled with Disney CEO Bob Iger now having a seat on Apples board of directors, certainly helped win the official approval from Apple. It also raises questions on a possible conflict of interest with this report.


Hopefully justice is brought to these workers.

She would say that wouldn't she! This self-appointed NGO gets a lot of free publicity, and probably nice interview fees from making these allegations, backed up by no evidence whatever.

This is just hearsay evidence. Unsubstantiated allegations about 2 anonymous workers allegedly complaining who are allegedly aged between 16 - 18 years old.

Since when is working between 16-18 child exploitation? Get real! It might be in some liberal Utopia, but not in the rest of the world. I was working at that age and it did me no harm.

The most amazing fact so far to come out of this artificial furore, is that Foxconn's workers are paid $1.75 an hour. That is a massive, massive increase in recent years. 10 or 15 years ago the average Chinese worker was earning just $1 a day, so this means 1,400% to 1,750% rise in a few years.

That's a huge, huge improvement in their standard of living

Moreover, the cost of living in China is a fraction of that in the West. So by Chinese standards these workers are exceptionally well paid, which is why there are long queues trying to get a job at Fozconn.
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Apple should open an office inside Foxconn with Apple & FLA staff permanently based there. That way they could walk around daily making sure everything is ok. Add a hotline for employees to call in confidence to report anything and Foxconn would not be able to get away with any abuses for long before Apple caught up with them. Much better than planned inspections where Foxconn can easily hide things.
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Foxconn should raise their pay to something decent and surprise audits should happen 10 times a year completely randomly. Eventually the whole thing would be tidied up. Yes they are bored, but Foxconn should continue to try ways to alleviate their boredom. You'll never win entirely, but Foxconn should be in a position to listen to their workers concerns and to try to help solve their work problems. If they limited every worker to a particular job for 3 months and then reshuffled that may have a very positive affect on their well being.

Honestly you should probably read up on the situations there before saying they should raise the pays of workers there, in actual fact cost of living is lower & jobs that aren't in the foreign run are generally significantly lower paying, so these workers would be getting better pay then others in the same town or city at other jobs, wonder why so many people want to work at these places?.
the minimum wage between different countries is very very different.

say in the US, from what i can tell minimum wage is about $7.25 & can go lower then $5 per hour.
Australian national Minimum wage is $15.51 per hour, from my perspective americans are animals for underpaying people, but cost of living is different. (by the way AU & US dollars are currently 1 to 1) But hey depends on your perspective, im not saying things cant improve but, its not change in one company thats needed, it has to be bigger then that otherwise you are wasting your breath.
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Foxconn should raise their pay to something decent and surprise audits should happen 10 times a year completely randomly. Eventually the whole thing would be tidied up. Yes they are bored, but Foxconn should continue to try ways to alleviate their boredom. You'll never win entirely, but Foxconn should be in a position to listen to their workers concerns and to try to help solve their work problems. If they limited every worker to a particular job for 3 months and then reshuffled that may have a very positive affect on their well being.

10 times a year? That's talking out your rear end!! Do you think these audits are free? Who pays for them? The consumer does! Stand up and let the blood flow to your brain before you make such inane comments.
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Sounds about 'right.
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Yes, really. Costs in China don't equal costs in the U.S. Can you get accommodation in the U.S. for $24 a month? or all your meals for $48 a month?

Two-thirds of your pay packet left after paying for accommodation and meals is not "hardly supporting yourself".

that sounds like more than have left at the end of each month.
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10 times a year?

5 times a year, whatever.
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Honestly you should probably read up on the situations there before saying they should raise the pays of workers there, in actual fact cost of living is lower & jobs that aren't in the foreign run are generally significantly lower paying, so these workers would be getting better pay then others in the same town or city at other jobs, wonder why so many people want to work at these places?.
the minimum wage between different countries is very very different.

say in the US, from what i can tell minimum wage is about $7.25 & can go lower then $5 per hour.
Australian national Minimum wage is $15.51 per hour, from my perspective americans are animals for underpaying people, but cost of living is different. (by the way AU & US dollars are currently 1 to 1) But hey depends on your perspective, im not saying things cant improve but, its not change in one company thats needed, it has to be bigger then that otherwise you are wasting your breath.

I'm not sure if you read my endless tirades but long story short I'm back in Oz after six years in Malaysia. What I'm seeing is that it is really hard to understand what is going on in the developing world. In summary, it ain't pretty there. Yes, worker's rights are important but it's not only the money. The systematic challenges throughout the socioeconomic fabric of Asia needs to be looked at more closely.

Why here in sunny Perth good ol' Curtin University is facing a massive backlash due to giving Malaysia's most heinous and corrupt first lady an honourary degree. I think Curtin didn't take into consideration how bad government is in Malaysia. (Also bl**dy ironic since Curtin has probably one of the highest percentages of Malaysian students ~ who, have to go to Curtin or overseas universities because, oh, institionalised racism [in Malaysia, so far here in oz a few yobos/bogans/etc have shouted at me but it's all good]).

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1) Weir spoke to someone admittedly 17yo. Why is that too young? I was in college and living and working full time on my own at age 17.

2) With so many people vying for jobs at Foxconn why would Foxconn have to hire underage workers that would violate laws and/or contracts?

I agree with you on on points 1 and 2. The only caveats would be if the 17 year old was still in high school. Then they should not working long hours o anything that would interfere with the job of graduating high school. College is another story. You are on your own to mange work school and your grades.
One point I want to make is that Apple should be commended for allowing inspections at all!
But if they want to really make this effective they need to have some sort of non affiliated body to do the inspections. Then these need to be un announced inspections. I worked in retail 20 years ago. When we would have general managers or regional managers or some sort of VIP inspection the stores everyone knew about it in advance. The stores never looked so good as when the VIPs were coming. There was always enough checkout people at the cash registers so no lines. The bathrooms and aisle ways were spotless. The bathrooms were never so clean as then. All the displays and merchandising were perfect. So i kinda see this inspection and filming to fall into that category for me. Everyone knew what was coming and prepared for it. I am not saying there is some really bad smoking gun here that Apple did not want people to see. But to truly be effective they have to be un announced.
EDIT We would even schedule labor for the visits. We made sure only the fastest most friendly employees worked that day to put a nice little shine on it all.

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