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RIM has a great opportunity in the gag holiday gift market.

Preload it with a whoopee cushion app that is meant to actually be sat upon and a rubber chicken that has some good physics replication and jiggles based on the accelerometer and you might have something there.
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It's all good and well to poke fun at rim who has neither apple's clout nor their resources in LCD, flash and CPU parts and who can't bully exclusivity out of manufacturers, hence they opt out for said size of tablet, but if yet another tablet os gets nowhere this is going to do competition and innovation no good. Having said that it was indeed a poor decision, and a hasty one to opt for said size to undercut apple in price, a lot of us saw this size as doa without other prerequisites such as e.g. Amazons clout behind it.

Having said that too, can anyone explain to me why the iPad os still looks like what my iPhone used to look like 5 years ago in its main interface? Do I detect a little lack of vision there, is Scott Forestall and his clones a bit shitting their pants now that the leader isn't there to make the bold move? Oh yeah but now the mac has the great option from launchpad to stick a dozen of apps in folders each one showing eventually a pretty much indescernible end folder view from the others with miniaturizations only to be told apart by reading very fine print underneath. Encouraging to see rather s**t ideas cross pollinating the apple ecosystem.

My enduring image of Phil Schiller is that of jumping off a few tens of feet height on a mattress like contraption to appease his master... Lately he's allegedly also taken up the onerous task of having cocktails with Grubber in hotel lounges and leaking os x 10.8 mountain lion.



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post #123 of 143
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Having said that too, can anyone explain to me why the iPad os still looks like what my iPhone used to look like 5 years ago in its main interface? Do I detect a little lack of vision there, is Scott Forestall and his clones a bit shitting their pants now that the leader isn't there to make the bold move? Oh yeah but now the mac has the great option from launchpad to stick a dozen of apps in folders each one showing eventually a pretty much indescernible end folder view from the others with miniaturizations only to be told apart by reading very fine print underneath. Encouraging to see rather s**t ideas cross pollinating the apple ecosystem.

Can anyone explain why my car has the same gas and brake pedals that I had 20 years ago? And why my toaster has the same lever on the side and the same cord and plug to go into the outlet? And why the heck does my mailbox still have a door that folds down in the front? Maybe they all lack innovation?

Changing things for the sake of change is ridiculous. If someone comes up with a better way to do things, you can be sure that Apple will change the interface. But until then, the iOS interface is the best on the market so why change it?
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post #124 of 143
this has regift written all over it!
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

What did you get the members you liked?

The art of regifting!!
post #126 of 143
I saw a chap on a plane with one of these the other day. I almost felt sorry for him.
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Every time I read news about the Playbook I end up going back to my first experience with it. My daughter and I spotted a couple of demo units and picked them up. Within 2 minutes, the browser had crashed on me and the entire unit rebooted. Even after the reboot, the browser kept crashing. The one my daughter had froze and wouldnt power down. We couldn't figure out the magic key combo to force a restart.

Terrible first impression, and before anyone scoffs at me making judgments based on demo units, bear in mind that I've played with dozens of iPad demo units and I've never seen anything even close to that.
post #128 of 143
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Ailing Research in Motion on Tuesday released the long-awaited PlayBook OS 2.0 update

[ View article on AppleInsider ]

Well, this is surely the most biased review I have ever read. I love my iPad, but I have also a new PlayBook with 2.0 and absolutely love it.

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Originally Posted by raymondinperth View Post

Where is my Playbook Android emulator ?

It is built in, you just download the android app and it plays

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Originally Posted by inkswamp View Post

Every time I read news about the Playbook I end up going back to my first experience with it. My daughter and I spotted a couple of demo units and picked them up. Within 2 minutes, the browser had crashed on me and the entire unit rebooted. Even after the reboot, the browser kept crashing. The one my daughter had froze and wouldnt power down. We couldn't figure out the magic key combo to force a restart.

Terrible first impression, and before anyone scoffs at me making judgments based on demo units, bear in mind that I've played with dozens of iPad demo units and I've never seen anything even close to that.

You should then try 2.0, the browser is far better than the Apple one and more compliant, which mean it works on all websites
post #129 of 143
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Originally Posted by sfsfca View Post

You should then try 2.0, the browser is far better than the Apple one and more compliant, which mean it works on all websites

Can you explain what you mean by "far better.

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post #130 of 143
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Originally Posted by Kibitzer View Post

I know this is leading us astray, but have you considered that if you stop bobbing your head up and down, you might be more successful in attracting a human mate?

Depends on which kind of mate he wants to attract. Komodo dragon women would be all over him.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Can you explain what you mean by {the Playbook browser is} "far better{than the iPad browser}.

He can watch his favorite Flash pr0n sites. Mostly.
post #132 of 143
I just watched the embedded video. And my first thought was, OMG this is so far behind my iPOD Touch. Except it doesn't fit into my pockets. What on earth are they thinking? This is so sad really.
post #133 of 143
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Originally Posted by inkswamp View Post

Every time I read news about the Playbook I end up going back to my first experience with it. My daughter and I spotted a couple of demo units and picked them up. Within 2 minutes, the browser had crashed on me and the entire unit rebooted. Even after the reboot, the browser kept crashing. The one my daughter had froze and wouldnt power down. We couldn't figure out the magic key combo to force a restart.

Terrible first impression, and before anyone scoffs at me making judgments based on demo units, bear in mind that I've played with dozens of iPad demo units and I've never seen anything even close to that.

My first iphone, and my second had safari crashing a lot... it took a couple of years for safari to be a stable release for most people - that's the nature of software. Ios being a more mature platform is a more stable one too. Even maturity though doesn't guarantee a software is going to run well or, sadly at all, again that's the nature of software. Currently my ipad 2 (which I plan to update to the ipad 3 for that by all accounts glorious retina display) can't sync with itunes for some crazy bug, and I am waiting for ios>5.01 since my icloud backup (to apple's fault...they should have though of that...) seems not to be incremental so I 'll have to revert to a recent back up with the bug and not some set point in the past a month ago when the bug wasn't there. It's software.

OS X at the moment has some crazy ass bug that smb shares can't be searched via the finder, and no one really knows why (there's a very detailed discussion going around in circles at apple's site), this started with lion and apple's new smb2 compliant v.1 implementation as opposed to the reverse engineered gpl samba they were using, but it might not be due to that since one can search via the terminal.

That's software for you, more mature platforms offer better odds of functionality, but even mature platforms can come up with very frustrating bugs. You wanna give rim's playbook a go for whatever reason with that in mind if it suits some of your needs, why not?

I am opting for the retina display of ipad 3 cause legibility of font is what I value most at the moment, as well of course as apple as a mobile platform. In OS X due to apple's insistence on not catering for resolution independence (finally...) I am getting effed with the tiny font of the system, as well as their insistence on not colour coding anything in their new paradigm. If they wise up and give me options to get larger and user selectable font system wide and colour coding on their toolbars, I 'll stick with them, otherwise I 'll ditch them, it's not as if the finder has really advanced, or the file system, and things like versions and mission control are at best dubious if they are more helpful or not.

No one is perfect as Steve said, and I firmly believe no matter what the apologists might say, as I 've written here before, that if Steve in his the last years of his life, esp. the last two had not been suffering so much so as to have his wits and his vision more intact he would have definitely have realized that apple should go on in a new direction with proving the user more options and more diversification of products. What worked for apple circa 2000 won't necessarily work circa 2012.

Cause Steve was indeed a smart guy with foresight and an ability to change gears when it was warranted. And when it was warranted he would also bust down the occasional door and tell everyone why the hell this does that (ios waking from stand by) and this doesn't do that (the mac waking from stand by). And he also had the guts to say how can you trust us with icloud when we brought you mobile me. I am sure if he were up to scratch these last years here on earth (or at least I d like to believe that) he would barge in the os x dev. room and tell them what the hell is wrong with you and all the monochromatic bs that you are making the mac look as if something from the 1980s, and people are emailing me that they can't tell anything from anything else apart and most of our user base is up in arms about this, get off your high horse and just put a damn switch in settings that colour codes os wide if the user wants to.

end of rant.
post #134 of 143
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Originally Posted by sfsfca View Post

It is built in, you just download the android app and it plays

You seem to be banned, but I'll correct it anyway: No, this is not at all how it works. Try again.
post #135 of 143
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end of rant.

Let's hope so

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post #136 of 143
not worded well enough, my bad, pause in rant.
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I saw a chap on a plane with one of these the other day. I almost felt sorry for him.

Sure hope he wasn't the pilot. Then I'd say a prayer for you both!

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post #138 of 143
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

wow. so all that hype about the Playbook running Android apps is, in fact, total bullshit. unbelievable shuck and jive. has even one actually been recompiled? (probably, but 100?)?

so why hasn't the blogsphere piled on this blatant fraud?

It's been talked about, but even some analysts and financial writers have stated the incorrect story in articles. Too many of these people just don't do their own face to face research. RIM users don't seem to want to talk about it, and the rest really do believe that BB10 devices will be able to run Android apps. I've come across this many times since QNX was first announced.
post #139 of 143
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Originally Posted by sfsfca View Post

It is built in, you just download the android app and it plays

No, you can't even download an Android app, and even if you could, it wouldn't run. You obviously have never used a Playbook, and haven't read anything useful about it.
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Originally Posted by sfsfca View Post

Well, this is surely the most biased review I have ever read. I love my iPad, but I have also a new PlayBook with 2.0 and absolutely love it.

Please tell the truth at least. You don't have either device. It's pretty obvious.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Please tell the truth at least. You don't have either device. It's pretty obvious.

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

You seem to have an unholy amount of hatred and resentment towards Apple, their employees, their products, and their entire philosophy, and I wonder why people like you still visit sites like these and posts on such boards. You even have the need to take vicious, hateful, belittling personal attacks on Apple's executives. Why is this necessary, and is all your frothing of the mouth based on the lack of matte screens? How utterly childish.

- WHat kind of interface do you want? From Microsofts own words, Windows 8 was a direct response to iOS. They had no choice, Apple forced them to completely revamp their UI. So now Apple should respond by randomly revamping theirs? Android has been flailing randomly the past few years trying to nail down a look and some consistency. Just because Apple was 1st to the game, they should just change their UI for the hell of it? Do you not realize their major advantage is familiarity and consistency? Their greatest skill is adding a ton of features and power to iOS since release, without cluttering anything up and keeping the interface simple and intuitive. Also, It's only been 4 month since Steve's death, and you're accusing the team of 'shitting their pants' and being 'vionsionless' because they didn't run and change everything right after he died? What the hell makes you think iOS would look any different now if Steve was still here? Obviously it wouldn't.

- Launchpad: You never, ever have to use it if you don't like it. Stop bitching about an ADDED option that does nothing to stifle your ability to use the old one. I've seen plenty of less technically inclined people who now use launchpad exclusively to browse additional applications- its a much more intuitive system than opening finder, getting a small window, click on application, then browsing a tiny list, then double-clicking. Especially people coming from iOS- what's wrong with familiarity and consistency? Have you heard of the halo effect? Obviously you have no clue what that even is.

- Why are you attacking Phil Shiller with such nastiness? Did he rape your dog? Yes, he demoed 10.8 to a bunch of journalists (not just John Gruber) a week before it was revealed. He wasn't 'leaking' anything- it was Apple's strategy to give tech journalists time to dwelve into the OS before it was made public, and was a move sanctioned by the whole company, not some sneaky initiative by him.

Your latest post is even more insane, and your 'suggestions' shows that you don't have the slightest clue of Apple's core and what has made them successful. 'Diversify' the lineup? Apple will more likely cut models, not add more. Overhaul iOS but give an 'option to switch back'. Wow. This is your definition of bold? Making something new but having so little confidence as to have a fall-back option, so that you have people running visually different OS styles, fragmentation, and then having to optimize every single update, addition, and feature for both a 'new' and 'old' look? That's a horrible idea about as un-Apple as I can imagine. A 'crazy bleeding edge division'? What the hell does that mean? Sounds like you want them to experiment and throw shit out there, for a niche audience, and to see what sticks, like everyone else. Again, so un-Apple-like.

If Apple followed your suggestions they'd start going down the shitter so fast. Yet you speak as if Apple needs to do exactly what YOU want them to do, otherwise everyone there is an imbecile and they're doomed. What hubris, especially when none of your suggestions are in Apple's DNA, and all things SJ would have laughed out of the room. You say they will fail if they dont do a complete 180 on their general philosophies, which is essentially what you're suggesting.

Stick to bitching about lack of matte screens, and less of personally mocking and attacking the people at Apple that have been critical to its success, calling them visionless, because they're not implementing the short-sighted, asinine moves that you fantasize about. Better yet, stop using their products if you hate what the company has become. Why would you stick with a company you believe is being run by vision-less clowns that you have no confidence in? You There's a ton of options out there, and they won't be giving in to your demands anytime soon. Save yourself from stress. Because contrary to your ranting, it is still the same company that existed under the leadership of Jobs, and has become successful exactly by doing the things that you hate.

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post #143 of 143
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It's been talked about, but even some analysts and financial writers have stated the incorrect story in articles. Too many of these people just don't do their own face to face research. RIM users don't seem to want to talk about it, and the rest really do believe that BB10 devices will be able to run Android apps. I've come across this many times since QNX was first announced.

Yes, there are many incorrect stories, including your comments.

Here is the correct story:

(1) It is NOT an emulator. Google open sourced Android Dalvik engine. RIM grabbed the source code and ported the Dalvik engine to QNX. When you have the actual source code, it is called a port.

(2) Repackaging doesn't involve recompiling. You don't even need the source code of the Android app to repackage said app to work on the Playbook. Crackberry volunteers grabbed hundreds of android apps and converted them to work with the OS 2.0 beta for the past 3 months.

Repackaging an Android app is actually something like changing a zip file to a rar file. That's it. The "real" Android package (.apk format) is a variant of the zip file format designed by Google. The "fake" RIM Android package is a variant of the zip file format designed by RIM. There are only 2 files that are different. Android uses 96x96 icons and the Playbook uses 86x86 icons. And the second difference is the manifest file for the respective "zip" files.

(3) The "limitations" of the Playbook's Android support are about the SAME as the "limitations" of Amazon Kindle Fire's Android support. No Android Market, no real GMail, no Google Maps... They are limitations because of Google's proprietary licenses for these services.
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