RIM releases PlayBook OS 2.0 two months late - Page 2

Pretty lame attempt at trolling. More like two years and two months late. Personally, I like the latest Information Week article that says Blackberry dominance in business will drop from the current 70% to only 25% within two years. Sorry, RIM, but amateur hour is over.

Bad news for Netflix: I am not interested in their poor selection of old crappy movies!

In other news, Blizzard releases Diablo 3 two years late, everyone is so dissappointed, no way it will sell. :/

See, the difference here is Blizzard didn't release Diablo 3 a year ago as a game without any weapons, enemies, or levels unless you bought Diablo 1 and 2 and had them installed on your computer and running at the same time as 3.

And no Skype!

This is a pretty easy thing to do when all they did was buy a licence to ActiveSync.

It's not like RIM figured this stuff out. Microsoft's engineers did it years ago and RIM bought it in a nice little package.

I agree except the food part.

No such thing as "wasting money on food" IMO. Food is literally what your body is made of, and the better quality the food, the better ... you.

so ... does it run Android apps as well as regular Android tablets do? any issues? Android browsers with Flash? Android Skype? etc?

1) Buying food and then not eating it.

2) Buying food that you like but that offers no real nutrition value and perhaps could be longterm negative effects on the body.

Wait, are you seriously going to keep these wrapped in the closet for 10 months or do you just give really, really late Christmas presents?

You seem to have an unholy amount of hatred and resentment towards Apple, their employees, their products, and their entire philosophy, and I wonder why people like you still visit sites like these and posts on such boards. You even have the need to take vicious, hateful, belittling personal attacks on Apple's executives. Why is this necessary, and is all your frothing of the mouth based on the lack of matte screens? How utterly childish.

- WHat kind of interface do you want? From Microsofts own words, Windows 8 was a direct response to iOS. They had no choice, Apple forced them to completely revamp their UI. So now Apple should respond by randomly revamping theirs? Android has been flailing randomly the past few years trying to nail down a look and some consistency. Just because Apple was 1st to the game, they should just change their UI for the hell of it? Do you not realize their major advantage is familiarity and consistency? Their greatest skill is adding a ton of features and power to iOS since release, without cluttering anything up and keeping the interface simple and intuitive. Also, It's only been 4 month since Steve's death, and you're accusing the team of 'shitting their pants' and being 'vionsionless' because they didn't run and change everything right after he died? What the hell makes you think iOS would look any different now if Steve was still here? Obviously it wouldn't.

- Launchpad: You never, ever have to use it if you don't like it. Stop bitching about an ADDED option that does nothing to stifle your ability to use the old one. I've seen plenty of less technically inclined people who now use launchpad exclusively to browse additional applications- its a much more intuitive system than opening finder, getting a small window, click on application, then browsing a tiny list, then double-clicking. Especially people coming from iOS- what's wrong with familiarity and consistency? Have you heard of the halo effect? Obviously you have no clue what that even is.

- Why are you attacking Phil Shiller with such nastiness? Did he rape your dog? Yes, he demoed 10.8 to a bunch of journalists (not just John Gruber) a week before it was revealed. He wasn't 'leaking' anything- it was Apple's strategy to give tech journalists time to dwelve into the OS before it was made public, and was a move sanctioned by the whole company, not some sneaky initiative by him.

Your latest post is even more insane, and your 'suggestions' shows that you don't have the slightest clue of Apple's core and what has made them successful. 'Diversify' the lineup? Apple will more likely cut models, not add more. Overhaul iOS but give an 'option to switch back'. Wow. This is your definition of bold? Making something new but having so little confidence as to have a fall-back option, so that you have people running visually different OS styles, fragmentation, and then having to optimize every single update, addition, and feature for both a 'new' and 'old' look? That's a horrible idea about as un-Apple as I can imagine. A 'crazy bleeding edge division'? What the hell does that mean? Sounds like you want them to experiment and throw shit out there, for a niche audience, and to see what sticks, like everyone else. Again, so un-Apple-like.

If Apple followed your suggestions they'd start going down the shitter so fast. Yet you speak as if Apple needs to do exactly what YOU want them to do, otherwise everyone there is an imbecile and they're doomed. What hubris, especially when none of your suggestions are in Apple's DNA, and all things SJ would have laughed out of the room. You say they will fail if they dont do a complete 180 on their general philosophies, which is essentially what you're suggesting.

Stick to bitching about lack of matte screens, and less of personally mocking and attacking the people at Apple that have been critical to its success, calling them visionless, because they're not implementing the short-sighted, asinine moves that you fantasize about. Better yet, stop using their products if you hate what the company has become. Why would you stick with a company you believe is being run by vision-less clowns that you have no confidence in? You There's a ton of options out there, and they won't be giving in to your demands anytime soon. Save yourself from stress. Because contrary to your ranting, it is still the same company that existed under the leadership of Jobs, and has become successful exactly by doing the things that you hate.

It's hard to take anything you say seriously when adding more choices, like with Launchpad as an option, is exactly what they are doing.

You really sound like an elitist who doesn't want Macs to be used by people who only bought one because they'd use an iPhone or iPad. How dare Apple capitalize on the success of those devices by innovating ways to make the desktop OS more attractive¡

I suppose that for you, living in ignorance is bliss. Feel good making most things up?

It doesn't run Android apps. Developers have to decide that they want their app on the Playbook. Then they run it through RIM's recompiler. Then, if they need to they tweak it. Then somehow, it becomes available to the Playbook to run within RIM's emulation environment in the Playbook.

For those thinking that all those Android apps are available, think again.

This software is not two months late. It was first promised for early summer. Then for late summer. Then for December. Then for February.

This is all for features that needed to be there in the beginning.

In addition, this still can't use the BES server, and is therefor required to use a simplified version of Exchange. The security is much poorer than what is available in iOS, and even Android. Only when linked to a BB is BES invoked. But when disconnected, all files through BES disappear from the Playbook, and it goes back being the same poorly secure device it is. The only good thing is the seperate partitions for business and personal data. But iOS is about as effective in that area.

One major reason why this software is so late is that RIM was hoping to fix the problem they have with BES. That problem is due to a lack of foresight by RIM, likely by Lazarius. BES can only handle one device per account, unlike iOS, and Android. So if you have a BB already linked to BES, you can't have a Playbook linked too. Another major problem, and a bigger one looms that has prevented this. Even now, RIM hasn't figured out how to get BB 10, their new QNX based OS to work with BES. That's one major reason why the phones based on it are going to be so late. They were first promised for the first quarter of 2012, but now, the one phone left, the London, won't be seen until late in the year.

If they can't get BES to work with BB 10, then they are sunk!

I'm not really sure if you are "real", or being sarcastic about RIM.

He registered on an Apple forum just to insult all Apple fans. He's real.

This is totally off topic but I would agree with point two. I never buy food that "offers no real nutrition value (pop, chips, candy, wonderbread, etc.) for that reason.

Point one I disagree with. Stale or old food is one of the biggest source of health problems. I regularly discard/compost food that isn't fresh and I'm rather proud of that. The money you save by eating that slightly mouldy dairy product or that leftover that "doesn't taste too bad yet," is a false economy IMO.

If one has to eat out of the garbage, or eat poor quality food, then fair enough. One does what one has to do. But if you can afford to, buying quality food is always a good idea and IMO should be the last thing in your budget to scrimp on.

The comment I applied to stated, 'No such thing as "wasting money on food" IMO.' It's possible not to buy only what you need at a store or restaurant. I do agree that eating food that could be harmful to your health is not good but that doesn't mean you didn't waste money.

I know he's real, I just don't know if his personality is real in that he's being serious, or is being sarcastic about RIM. Sometimes, its hard to tell.

This is to hopefully clear up the misconception that the Playbook can run Android apps. It can't. Period. At first, RIM was being very coy about that, but it was rapidly cleared up after being asked pointed questions about it.

This is from RIM's web site, in one of their FAQ's:


Repackaged actually means recompiled and tweaked.

If all you want is social networks, calendar, and contacts then that commercial might be compelling. Otherwise if you want movies, games, and real productivity software then get an iPad or Kindle Fire.

Despite your attitude, if I can understand this remark to mean that we should be able to choose custom icons for folders in iOS, then I would agree. But since that is such a simple thing for Apple to do there must be a reason why they have chosen not to provide that feature, although, I cannot think of one.

The rest of your rant is just nonsense. You might want to look into counseling for those anger issues.

my only question is why was this article posted. It has nothing to do with anything Apple.

Okay sure one could argue that its about an Apple competitor and therefore is relevant but I personally don't buy that argument. I would rather no articles be posted then to see ones about other companies that just happen to have slightly similar products in the same markets.

Posters argue all the time about how Samsung etc would do better to ignore their competition in advertising and such. Doesn't that argument hold true for a site such as APPLEinsider (not tabletinsider or computerinsider). With or without the fact that this other product is hardly a viable threat particularly with the rumors that Apple will have out a new iPad within the next month

You forgot the old standby "Apple needs competition!"

Also, why would anyone hate the taste of lizard brains? The secret is to add butter and salt.

Has "lizard-brains" become the new replacement descriptor for Apple fans? Since the OTHER word is now taboo, that is.

Gotta keep up with the kids' trends these days…

They even make apps for reptiles and amphibians now so I guess so.

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It has a lot to do with Apple. Not a single one of those other tablets would have ever existed if it were not for the iPad. And remember, these other companies have challenged Apple, by making such stupid statements as "amateur hour is over."

It's good to lay the facts down on the table, so that we can all see who the real amateurs are.

And besides, I like to see certain companies fail, and I enjoy these kinds of articles.

What I love about this... the *ONLY* thing of value left at RIM is the BES server. And they don't even bother making the Playbook part of that world. The amount of fail here is beyond belief.

I'm having lizard-brains for dinner tonight. It's actually not that bad, and I hear that it's quite nutritious. I prefer mine medium rare. And for dessert, I'll be serving Fandroid intestines sprinkled with a touch of iHater BBQ sauce.

That's a rub. In and of themselves they aren't bad and would have been wildly successful had they beaten everyone else to market, but since they are all following Apple and are not better than what Apple offers by any valid measure they are DOA. The same goes for the smartphone market. WP7 is great but it's just not nearly good enough to pull people who care about quality from the iPhone to a WP7-based device.

Tastes like chicken.

Then clearly you have never had real lizard brains because they don't taste like chicken at all. Faux lizard brains are flavored like chicken because they can't make them taste like lizard brains because real lizard brains taste like Tasty Wheat

So nobody ever told you not to mix marihuana psilocybe mexicana and cocaine in your smoke?

Get some sleep boy.

No-you have it all wrong. Sol isn't human.He's half Darwin Unix programing and half Appleinsider posting monster in a custom aluminum unibody enclosure.

I picked up a PlayBook when it was on sale through BB's web store for $187 shipped.

Even with the 2.0 update, it's pretty well useless compared to an iPad, I can nearly replace a laptop with my iPad2, I can replace virtually nothing with the PlayBook.

That is my feeling, too. Granted I have only use the PlayBook (and HP Touchpad and Moto Xoom) in a very limited capacity but it seems to me that even a refurbished or used iPad 1 would be a much better option for nearly every user, sans some bizarre fringe need.

It doesn't hold true for a site like this because it's here to cater to its readers' interests, which happen to include news about competitors that may affect Apple's sales, profits, or viability in some other way. Or competing technologies.

If no one posted to these articles, then it could be assumed there was little interest, and so articles like this would cease to be written. But as that isn't the case, we'll continue to see them.

I find it interesting that on ArsTechnica, where about one third are Apple product users, they have an Apple section. But we still get posts from people who think like you do, and insist that there are far too many articles about Apple on the site, even though they must go to the article in a deliberate way to read it.

If you don't want to read an article that isn't exactly pointed at Apple, then don't read that article. I don't see the problem.

Believe me, they want to make it work with BES, but they haven't been able to so far. Hopefully for them, they will be able to when the new BB10 phone, London, appears late in the year(hopefully it will appear late this year).

with all this talk about lizard brains, I'm still not sure if he was calling us lizard brains for hating the Playbook, or whether he was telling Playbook users who have lizard brains to not worry about the haters. It reads either way.

One can never argue with the self appointed minister of propaganda here.


Oh yeah? Tell me three things I stated as fact and i made up? As for my attitude it's expected at some point when I just finished reading one snarky comment after the other on a competitor (which I don't care that much about anyway, but nastiness is nastiness). Its all good and well and we can poke sarcastic fun at others but when someone (who also admittedly happens to like apple for the most part) has a bit of a mean spirited go too we suddenly lose our sense of humour? How convenient.


Yeas, thats exactly what i mean, and we agree, I am making a point that they are cross pollinating one bad interface iOS idea to os x. You might want to look for councelling at your blind subservience issues though if you think the rest is nonsense, and grow a sense of humour.


It's always ad hominems when we can't actually argue with what someone is saying... You sure know how to make these cocktails it seems...