MWC names Galaxy S II best smartphone, iPad 2 best tablet - Page 4

Poor parody by your standards, techdud.

Nope, free. Such was the situation for my 3GS that developed a minor flaw in the casing.

how on earth you managed to conclude all that from my post!

Wow, so the general consensus is

Pick a non-apple product: biased
Pick as apple product: logical

Anyways. The S2 is a great phone. And it is also very different from the iphone. If you have used only iOS and try to use it you will be lost for a while, and the same if you go from the Android to iOS.

The fact is both have their positive and negative points, and both sides borrow from the other.

Notification menu? Voice actions? Dragging icons on top of each other to make folders? Multitasking? Larger screen sizes (which the iphone will have sooner rather than later)? Face unlock?

Competition is better for both sides. If you can agree with nothing else, at least you can agree with that.

After all, the Kindle fire has shown that 7 inch tablets can be successful, and by most accounts (rumours) apple will soon release one.

Competition, always good for consumers.

Do you fail to notice how pathetic you all sound? It's some stupid award most of the world knows nothing about yet. Why are you all so childishly defensive about the fact that Apple didn't win?

Truly, completely pathetic.

in fairness, I have not been charged a fee at an Apple store yet. They replace or fix... (still under warranty though..)

I do have one of those

This all makes for a rather poor "pi$$ing competition".

Suggesting that the yard stick by which one measures technological superiority is unit sales is daft. It assumes that all customers have equal access and that they actually know anything about technology.

Comparing samsungs flag ship phone with the sales of apple's high end and budget phones is equally flawed. Comparing it with the sales of ipods is just bizarre. Would you include the sale of Honda bikes and cars when making comparisons to Ford's flagship car?

You know, I use + and it's a great tool. Moreover, whatever the media says, Youtube is Google's and Maps is Google's, and strangely, it helped Apple build their monopoly on high-end smartphones. Maybe Apple is not _that_ much at war with Google

It's business

Very true, or else Windows has been technologicaly superior to the Mac for what, 20 years or so?
Obviously, not the case

[QUOTE=caliminius;2059957]Do you fail to notice how pathetic you all sound? It's some stupid award most of the world knows nothing about yet. Why are you all so childishly defensive about the fact that Apple didn't win?

I couldn't agree more on the latter, especially when Apple did win in one of the categories.

Best Smartphone

Samsung for Samsung Galaxy S II

Best Feature Phone or Entry Level Phone

Nokia for Nokia C3-00

Device Manufacturer of the Year

Samsung

Best Mobile Tablet

Apple for Apple iPad 2

Best New Mobile Handset, Device or Tablet at Mobile World Congress 2012

Nokia for Nokia 808 Pure View

And the complete list if someone want it instead of focusing on a small portion and having a fight about it: http://www.globalmobileawards.com/winners2012.php

You raise an interesting point there, how frequently do we hear fanbois of (any camp) point to sales as the key metric but then insist that it can't be applied to the whole ecosystem when sales figures suggest that another part of their favoured eco system is performingly badly?

By and large Apple make good products, primarilly medium to high end, some budget. Other firms such as Sony and Samsung possibly push the boat out a bit more when it comes to high end but largely focus on the mid market.

All of the above are capable of making equally impressive devices. No firm is astronomically more advanced than anyone else. Nor is any more innovative than the other. TRUE innovation normally starts at grass roots or research facilities and is then adopted by the more shrewd and foresighted maker.

Fandroids never go on Android forums and say "Android needs competition from Apple" or "Samsung need competition from Apple." It's always about how stupid, irrational, cultish or biased Apple users are, worshipping the evil Steve Jobs who bullies everyone and takes credit for their work, living in Apple's "walled gardens" (usually meant in the pejorative) because they are too stupid to root their iPhone and run Ubuntu or whatever.

OK. So your argument is that the only thing good about Android is its logo.

I can buy that.

They can't all be gems. Sorry about that.

Jeez. I'll try harder. This post got lousy reviews. I guess it was pretty substandard.

Suggestions for improvements are always welcome.

Exactly

Three logos on the front of the latest Windows phones. Do you really think the fact that there are zero logos on the front of an iPhone is an accident? Of course, AT&T wanted theirs on the front and Apple told them where to go.

The point is, the little things matter, and if you can't control all the people who want to junk up your design, then you end up with junk throughout. Apple isn't smoking everyone because they are just lucky.

So funny how all you brainwashed fanboys are upset that the MWC, the biggest congress on mobile devices, acknowledges that the Galaxy SII was the best phone of 2011.

Face it: it was, the 4S can't top it in any objective way.
It's thinner, lighter and more robust than the iPhone, has OLED with beautiful colours (instead of the washed-out IPS displays apple uses), has a user-friendly interface, comes with a free full-fledged office software package, has swype and very decent camera's. Furthermore the CPU and GPU are still among the best available to this day.

Meanwhile the 4s was an acknoledgement of Apple that they couldn't finish their new design in time. So they rehashed the 4 and released Siri just to be able to show something new: they could have just emphesised the new CPU (which is a big deal) but since apple has been unrightfully bashing Android-manufacturers about how specs don't matter, they kinda shot themselves in the foot.

Result: Siri, which currently still is a buggy POS had to be released as a beta. Meanwhile 75% of all iPhone customers (those that are clueless sheeple) get the iPhone 4 because they look the same. So they all got an overpriced, outdated singlecore piece of shit. But hey: it has the Apple-logo


Come on people, you all know it: just like the iPhone 2G and 3G, the 4S is a total fiasco.


ahem PING ahem...

Ironically, you fail to see how most of the comments on this story actually bear out that point of view of Apple users. Stupid irrational, cultish and biased sums up the majority of them quite nicely.

Well, I presume the guy is a stockholder.

If you want to benefit from Apple's profitability, then buy some stock too.

And if you can afford to purchase an iPhone, iPad or Mac then I'm pretty sure you can very well afford to buy either a share of Apple stock, or shares in a tech mutual fund that's heavy on AAPL.

I'm assuming you meant "so now"? Check your grammar here, as I'm not exactly sure what you're saying.


So you're telling me you picked up a phone that you absolutely hated and played with it for an hour? Seems even less likely to me. And what is "the Galaxy"? The S2? The Note? The Nexus? You seem to be jumping between devices, which further leads to my conclusion that you're just making up a story to fit all of the generic Android criticism you've ever heard, despite all of those above devices (except the Note...I think?) garnering near universal appraisal. "Big and clunky?" Please. I am one of several people who skipped the iPhone 4 because I was impressed with the HTC Evo's screen size. While I dislike the plasticy feeling, you'd be hard pressed to find people who find it to feel "flimsy".


So the people who develop the design and software for the iPhone are alpha-males who spend their free time socializing and don't really spend much time or effort on their work? You know who I want making my products? People that spend a lot of time designing what I buy and that love making it. In the tech world, that's your arbitrarily defined "geek". I want geeks to make the software for my phone, my iPad, and my MacBook because I know it'll run better.


...I'm pretty sure you're just making up stories now. Samsung has been (rightfully) criticized for their ad campaign of attacking Apple users; not for promoting a weather widget.


Really? So I should have to search through an app to find the search feature. Have a dictionary app? You can either press a button or search for the search feature in the app. Have a photo album app? You can hit a button or search through the app to find a search feature (if it exists). Have a web browsing app? You can either press a button or scroll up to the top and type it in (or go to Google/bing first). Some people prefer to have those buttons hardwired/always available. I LOVE having a dedicated back and menu button, and I really wish my iPad had that feature. But someone don't feel like it's necessary; to each his own. But please do not take your radical opinion and proclaim it is the end all be all.

The total shipments is the important figure. If I started selling a portable games console this week and outsold the Nintendo 3DS by 2:1, all it means is that the growth is higher at the present time. It doesn't mean that my platform in any way rivals Nintendo's if the number of units I've sold is 100k. Growth doesn't impact software or hardware support, only the size of the user base.


I was mainly taking issue with the article saying "Android continues to rule the handset market" based on the current sales share but it's misleading in that it makes people assume that out of the people who own competing smartphones, 25% of them are iOS devices and 50% Android, which is not correct.

I readily acknowledge the Galaxy S2 to be the best Android smartphone.


The iPod sales aren't included in the latter stat, that was just iPhones vs Galaxy S2. You are right in a sense that this includes the 3GS and 4 but apparently the 4S accounts for the vast majority of the last quarter number anyway.

Did Apple even attend MWC? It didn't last year.

And, are the networks still doing a buy-one-get-one-free for Android phones? If so, some of those figures need adjusting -- some of the people I know who bought Androids at ridiculous prices have now stuff'd them in a drawer and gone back to their non-smartphone-phones. Same with Blackberry users, especially after the worldwide system crashes -- apparently, the BB service is very slow now.

That's not true.

A panel of academics, analysts, and journalists made that determination.

And, frankly, I am not impressed with the amount of technical knowledge in ANY of those groups.

Oh, and btw, if you want an explanation, try:
http://www.cultofmac.com/149720/forg...ress-mwc-2012/

The REALLY funny part is that even with that inherent bias, none of them could bring themselves to choose an Android tablet for the award.

A tad unfair. if Apple decide not to have a presence at the largest world trade show, it is hardly reasonable to then slam the show for not having an Apple stand. I would have imagined that there would be many firms there that make accessories or apps for iPhones.

With no Apple it is to be expected that most stands would be Android related. This does not however mean that the show is a platform for Android, after-all it has been running since 1987.

With regard to bias and technical knowledge, whose judgement do you value? Many of those voting probably own both an iPhone and Android.

BTW the iPhone 4 won best phone at the MWC last year... 'nuff said.

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One share costs £550 (approx 120 pints of beer)

The life time of the contract costs less than one share.

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Why am I not surprised no one can rebut this?

BS BS BS BS BS

This was your statement


Based on your history of supporting Apple, defending them and suppressing other dissidents from voicing their opinions (or try to), its pretty clear which side of the fence you stand.

Having said that, any reply from you will generally be categorized into the two things mentioned above A) statements to defend apple or B) statements to suppress dissidents.

The quoted statement that I have posted can be categorized into category B).

You challenge the dissident by arguing for a more exact definition of "25% Samsung". This is an appropriate and a correct judgement.

However, your latest reply to my post in claiming you "never claimed not implied that he did pull it out his ass" is a flat lie. The intentions of your post and the wording of it

CLEARLYdemonstrates that you were trying to accuse him/her of generating false statements. All that I did was step in and present evidence to the contrary and that his

statements were not "ass pulling" but rather based on facts. He may not have stated what metrics the 25% were, but you already knew what he was referring to.


Show me a better component price comparison break down. Preferably with official links.


Cost to acquire said components goes to no other than Samsung. The development/R&D costs are irrelevant as they are fixed costs and therefore sunk costs. Note that iSuppli's data is strictly acquisition costs (as Apple doesnt have a single factory in its assets) and does not even factor in variable overhead costs allocated to these components.


Until someone has a better understanding of the extent to which those companies are involved with the development of the SOC or Nand, the data from iSuppli is the best estimate.


I just did with the graphical post. And dont be so naive as if you dont know what he meant by "25% Samsung" as you yourself have seen the data before.

It's hard for me to believe an Apple proponent like yourself havent come across the component breakdown of the iPhone.

Lastly, to be fair, these third party datas are just estimates. The true cost of the iPhone will never be known unless someone inside Apple spills the beans. However, they are

reasonably good estimates to base other hypothesis on (like profit margin per unit). Regardless of the actual cost percentage to Samsung, its pretty clear that they

play a significant role in the production of the iPhone.

You'll find plenty of Android fans who believe that Samsung needs competition from other companies (HTC, LG, Lenovo, Huawei, Panasonic, Sony, etc...). Competition is good, especially in an open ecosystem.

Does Android need competition from Apple specifically? No, because improvements in Android come from HTC, Motorola, Samsung, etc.., who all modify the system in different ways, until Google implements all their features in the next version, moving the entire ecosystem along. But yes, competition is always good - no one company has a monopoly over the Android ecosystem, and no one hardware maker has a monopoly either (since ARM also licenses their chips, you'll never see a monopoly like 'Wintel' in the mobile space).

The people I know who have the S II love it as a small tablet but hate it as a phone. I think the line of primary functionality for a phone is being blurred.

Do you mean the Galaxy Note rather than the Galaxy SII?

You might want to work on your retention. I said which phone it was in my original post, the one you first got all freaked out about. It also seems the above article is about said phone, so it does take a brain surgeon to figure it out.

I understand you have the geek button fetish, which is why you probably shouldn't design a phone.

What's wrong with having a choice.

The Samsung Galaxy II is a fantastic phone, I skipped it for the Note but thier basicly the same phone except for the huge screen on the Note. Performance, screen, call quality, weight, OS, a real filemanger with access to the entire drive, open platform, who can ask for anything more. Plus I really don't see any Apple likeness in either the OS or the body. The OS especially, the only thing that even comes close is maybe the way the icons are displayed but I saw that way before Apples iPhone in my beloved Nokia Comunicator 9500. If anything I'm starting to see a lot of Android in my iPhone like the new notification system.

Look, there two different phones and both are very popular so why all the need to bash the one that you don't like. Can't we all get along? By the way MWC is the largest mobile trade show in the world, it's absolutely huge and makes CES look like a doll convention.

Right, 2011 was a big year for Android, the OS has finally caught up with iOS and now with Android 4.03 has defiantly surpassed it in a lot of ways. As long as you have a good phone that runs it of course like the Samsung Galaxy.

I was at MWC this last week and I saw a lot of great phones that will defiantly give Apple a run for their money this year.

Me personally I think my next phone will be from Asus, the Asus Padfone is fricken so awesome. Phone that becomes a tablet then the tablet becomes a notebook with the keyboard dock and all weighs less then 2 lbs. Man that's sexy and as a owner of a Asus Slider I know from experience that it will actually work.

Nothing, as long as it's an Apple product. Everything else is just a blatant copy and inferior.

I've been reading since Android was first released how superior it is to iOS (née iPhone OS). Then when a new version of Android comes out it's always "well now it really is better than iOS" yet even with ICS and Chrome on ICS the browser still isn't nearly as smooth as Safari in the original iPhone with iPhone OS 1.0 running a 412MHz ARMv6 ARM11 CPU with 256MB RAM. What's the deal with that?

The only thing that seems undeniably true is that Android is better than it was previously but I've seen nothing to indicate that it's caught up or surpassed the UX of iOS, which is the only metric that can be measured when talking about an entire OS).


There is a lot of great HW out there. Larger displays, some extra features, yada yada yada, but it's not any one feature in and of itself that make an impact with buyers. The feature has to be intermixed with other features well. Why Apple is succeeding is because of factors that can't be placed on spec sheets. Intangibles, many of which can't be experienced at a tech conference.

Did you use any WinPh devices? If the iPhone wasn't an option I'd definitely go for a WinPh device. The Lumias look and feel great... though there is that battery issue plaguing many of them.


These devices should get more popular as there performance grows but I don't think that time has come except for some niche buyers.

Overall I think you just get less devices to use. I like having my MBP, iPad and iPhone and wouldn't want to Voltron them together in order to use a notebook. Any word on pricing?

PS: if anyone can do this right it's Apple because they more than anyone can two UIs that work on the same foundation OS. MS could do it with Win8 on tablets but they use a completely different core on their phones.

The price will be between 650 and 700 with the keyboard. That's not bad, I really think these devices are ready. As I stated before I have Asus Slider which has a built in keyboard and I love it. Android 4.03 really is a full featured OS and can be used as a Desktop OS.

There is an app called Linux Installer that installs Debian inside the Android OS and can be used side by side. The performance is really good to, I have a LAMP server, Eclipse runs great, Chromium with the Chrome Store, Gimp and much, much more. Plus Android has the one thing that I can't stand not having on my iPad, a friggen file manager. I really do not want to connect my iPad to my MacBook Air every time I want to delete, move, copy, make a directory, BS.

Going back to the Padfone after using it for more 45 minutes I really can see using it as my every day laptop and phone. The phone is fully integrated into the tablet so phone calls popup and all you have to do is say, "answer". Talk while your still working, uploading files to the caller is also a really neat trick. Having three parts is kind of strange but I think I won't have any problems and when Ubuntu finally releases its Phone version well then this becomes the coolest device ever. When it's in phone mode, ie Android I have access to all my work files then I simply stick it into the tablet part and wham it becomes a full Ubuntu Desktop.

Can Apple make this device better, well the hardware yes no question but after iOS Apple is becoming to much like Microsoft. I want a fully open device to do with what I want. Right now on my Asus I can dual boot into Ubuntu 11.10, my 600 dollar tablet has become a really capable developing machine. I couldn't do that with my iPad I'm stuck using a very closed OS. I do like the apps though, they are very cool and I won't be giving up my iPad anytime soon as I need it for my music composing. Which is bar none the best device I have ever used for that purpose.

Yes I agree that the original idea behind the tablet was for media consumption, games and light productivity. However you are now seeing more and more people buying a tablet as there only computer, Apples own sales data shows that. So people are expecting to be able to do most things that a computer can do. I know many friends who though have an extra computer in the house but just don't use them anymore and are now a tablet house hold.

I really believe that Windows 8 will be a successful tablet OS and I hope so much so that it will force Apples hands into adding more features to the iPad that make it more like there laptop brothern. Lets start with completely severing the need for iTunes and a filemanger that can see the entire system directory. Things that a Android tablet user had from day one.