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Originally Posted by Flaneur 
Speaking of Viet Nam, and add Laos and Cambodia, the US has a lot of carpet bombing and biocide with Agent Orange to live down.
The point should be that calling the nation you want to work with a butcher is no way to open understanding and improvement of civilized relations.
I said the number one American pathology right now is the refusal to evolve. You make me realize that the refusal is based on an inability to recognize progress. You would rather froth away in what you probably think of as "realism" than see working with the Chinese as mutually beneficial for both nations to rise above their sorry past and present "butchery."
Apple would get nowhere with your attitude. China is helping the US and Apple is helping China. Beginning of a long story.
Speaking of Viet Nam, and add Laos and Cambodia, the US has a lot of carpet bombing and biocide with Agent Orange to live down.
The point should be that calling the nation you want to work with a butcher is no way to open understanding and improvement of civilized relations.
I said the number one American pathology right now is the refusal to evolve. You make me realize that the refusal is based on an inability to recognize progress. You would rather froth away in what you probably think of as "realism" than see working with the Chinese as mutually beneficial for both nations to rise above their sorry past and present "butchery."
Apple would get nowhere with your attitude. China is helping the US and Apple is helping China. Beginning of a long story.
If you think Apple or any other western multinational is dictating sweeping terms to the CPC on human rights etc., well son, you've hopped the Happy Plane to LaLa Land. This could easily be put to the test. Apple releases a Free Tibet iPod and within hours are banned from China. In China-western relations business is business and politics is politics and ne'er the twain shall meet.
Hmmmm, let's see...."Apple getting somewhere" VS. the Hanification (read" BUTCHERING) of TIBET, lack of basic human rights, total Party control over the media and freedom of speech, one of the highest execution rates in the world, refusal to admit Tiananmen ever really happened, the gutting of American manufacturing, the illegal status of Chinese unions, a massive military buildup set to challenge NATO down the road, arguably the worst environmental record on the planet, torture,...... yeah that's a real tough choice for me
and a wonderful example of "Han" rationalization from you. Collect your CPC bonus recently?And seeing as you mentioned Cambodia let's not forget China's propping up of the Khmer Rouge genocide machine (only 2 million dead there), its continued propping up of wonderful little bastions of joy like North Korea, its attack on the UN Forces in Korea (this after the west had saved its a** from Japan just five years prior)... its 'ask-no-questions-human-rights-be-damned economic policies in Africa, Burma, etc., and just for fun its 1979 invasion of Vietnam (in which China was promptly handed its a*s on a platter by the Vietnamese) and if you want to talk about things to "live down" how about the Cultural Revolution" (talk about a people in full-on Lemming Mode!) or Mao's Famine (43 million dead). Oh dear, seems you put your foot in your mouth on that one.
