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Apple on Friday posted a dozen job listings for iCloud-related engineering positions as it continues to place an emphasis on cloud services as a major component of the company's strategy.

Apple CEO Tim Cook indicated last month during an investor conference that iCloud will dictate the company's strategy "for the next decade or more." That's a dramatic change from the previous 10 years which saw the Mac as the hub for a digital life.

The Cupertino, Calif., company tipped its hand on Friday with a batch of job openings prioritizing iCloud. Apple indicated that it was looking for engineers interested in "developing the next generation of cloud support for iOS and OS X."

The listings include requests for an iCloud Server Software Engineer, iCloud Java Server Engineer, two iCloud Senior Software Engineers, two iCloud Software Engineers, iCloud Java Server Software Engineer, iCloud C/C++ Server Software Engineer, iCloud Game Center Server Engineer, iCloud Backend Server Engineer - Java, iCloud Backend Server Engineer - C++ and Windows Engineer - iCloud.

Apple has seen rapid adoption of iCloud over the past few months. Cook revealed in February that there are now more than 100 million iCloud users, up from 85 million users in January. He portrayed the service as part of the "profound category," major advances that change how devices are used over the long term.




The transition to iCloud may have proved more difficult from an engineering standpoint than Apple originally expected. Late Apple co-founder Steve Jobs proclaimed last year that iCloud "just works," while acknowledging that MobileMe, its earlier attempt at cloud services, was not the company's "finest hour." However, when iCloud launched last October, some users reported having trouble migrating to iCloud. The service has also experienced intermittent outages since it went live.

The release of OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion should help smooth the transition, as it will be the first major OS X release since iCloud was released. Mountain Lion will feature tighter integration with iCloud than its predecessor and will allow users automatic access to a number of features just by logging in to iCloud on their Macs. For instance, OS X 10.8 will include support for saving files directly to iCloud.

Apple's iCloud hiring push come on the heels of efforts by the company to highlight its role in creating jobs in the U.S. A new "Job Creation" page on the company's website touts more than 500,000 jobs that are "created or supported by Apple." Over 200,000 of those jobs are reported as having been created as part of the "iOS app economy."




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California has become a rather pathetic state, they might actually have trouble attracting top of the line talent.
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California has become a rather pathetic state, they might actually have trouble attracting top of the line talent.

That's a dozen jobs the qualified people of Maiden, NC can apply for.

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I've only ever been a visitor to California but am sorry to read your assessment. Perhaps companies such as Apple can breath life into sectors of Californian society and especially, higher education (including technical training). Spending a little time at UC Berkeley such as I have is a wonderful experience.

Apple innovated itself to relevance, California can do the same.

All the best.
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They better hire more than that. Siri regularly stops working, and my ICal events don't always sync.
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It doesn't need any more features right now, just speed and reliability.
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does anyone think we'll see iWork in the cloud (i.e. Pages, Keynote and Numbers files that are already stored in iCloud available through a browser for C.R.U.D.)?
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does anyone think we'll see iWork in the cloud (i.e. Pages, Keynote and Numbers files that are already stored in iCloud available through a browser for C.R.U.D.)?

iWork has been in the cloud since January 2009.

It's still in Beta and I think it was meant to be a paid web-based service once it goes live but I have to think that plan has been scratched just like charging for MobileMe was scraped in favour of the updated and rebranded iCloud.

I wouldn't expect iWork.com to be integrated into the iCloud front end but the back end has a lot of similarities with iCloud in the way it handles file sharing from within the iWork apps. It's possible that iWork is what gave Apple the idea for iCloud's app-focused syncing method.

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One of iClouds biggest issues is the assumption many apps make that you will always be connected to the cloud. Unfortunately this is not realistic. Even at work both my 3G and WiFi can go to zero.

Every app needs a clean way to mark files for both cloud and local storage and those files need to update automatically when a connection can be had.

Some apps like calendar and notes do seem to have more than a few ugly bugs. This is of course not totally surprising.

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iWork has been in the cloud since January 2009.

It's still in Beta and I think it was meant to be a paid web-based service once it goes live but I have to think that plan has been scratched just like charging for MobileMe was scraped in favour of the updated and rebranded iCloud.

Beta? That seems a bit strong.
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I wouldn't expect iWork.com to be integrated into the iCloud front end but the back end has a lot of similarities with iCloud in the way it handles file sharing from within the iWork apps. It's possible that iWork is what gave Apple the idea for iCloud's app-focused syncing method.

I see iWork.com as a failure. I much rather never have to rely upon a network for my day to day apps. I really think Apple is on the right track with iCloud. The problem is people expect instant perfection and that won't happen.

Something's about iCloud I already really like. Being able to pick up X device and know that for the most part addresses or appointments will show up on all of them is very useful. Even Numbers is useful in this regard and needs a Mac OS update to bring it into the fold there.
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Beta? That seems a bit strong.

Apple calls it a beta.

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I may have mentioned this on an earlier thread, but it would be great if you could merge several AppleIDs into one for use with iCloud. Those of us that had for various reasons accounts in different countries would benefit greatly. I have also had a different ID for Mobile Me and I know many others that had an additional ID for .mac and even further back.

Until then I believe Cloud will be useful, but not as groundbreaking as it could be. However, if you are new to the Apple eco system it is no problem.
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Apple on Friday posted a dozen job listings for iCloud-related engineering positions as it continues to place an emphasis on cloud services as a major component of the company's strategy.



These jobs are always fakes. They put new hires on fake projects until they can be trusted,

The only thing we can be certain of is that Apple is NOT hiring a dozen iCloud engineers.
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Java is a legacy technology. Stupid Apple is building the future of their business on dead technology.

I'm being facetious of course, but that's exactly the kind of idiocy I have heard from Apple fans when deprecation and removal of Java from Mac OS X was announced.

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These jobs are always fakes. They put new hires on fake projects until they can be trusted,

The only thing we can be certain of is that Apple is NOT hiring a dozen iCloud engineers.

Your posts are always fakes. You put out new garbage in perfectly good threads so the progress of the conversation is interrupted or corrupted.

The only thing we can be certain of is that you do not MEAN what you are saying.
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Amongst all the news about more use of clouds and wifi recently the fact the transmission bands are getting pretty crowded keeps coming up. Has everyone here seen this apparent break through! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17221490
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Your posts are always fakes. You put out new garbage in perfectly good threads so the progress of the conversation is interrupted or corrupted.

The only thing we can be certain of is that you do not MEAN what you are saying.

As someone said to me recently after I made a similar comment ... We have a friend in the ignore list
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I may have mentioned this on an earlier thread, but it would be great if you could merge several AppleIDs into one for use with iCloud. Those of us that had for various reasons accounts in different countries would benefit greatly. I have also had a different ID for Mobile Me and I know many others that had an additional ID for .mac and even further back.

Until then I believe Cloud will be useful, but not as groundbreaking as it could be. However, if you are new to the Apple eco system it is no problem.

I too have .me ids, two app store ids in different countries and not merging any of that has been a headache. I recently downloaded the separate itunesU app and for some reason I can't login via my regular store id, the password when entered correctly doesn't login, and when ented wrong it outputs error in password. ICloud is indeed beta and someone else said they better hire more people as syncing across macs has been very error prone...
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Your posts are always fakes. You put out new garbage in perfectly good threads so the progress of the conversation is interrupted or corrupted.

The only thing we can be certain of is that you do not MEAN what you are saying.

"IGNORE LIST" this mangy troll and don't reply to the stupid comments they post. Then those that have used the ignore list to avoid seeing the stupidity don't have to see it in a reply.
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"IGNORE LIST" this mangy troll and don't reply to the stupid comments they post. Then those that have used the ignore list to avoid seeing the stupidity don't have to see it in a reply.
The ignore list is your friend. Learn it, know it, exercise it, live it....

I often wonder why the blog software used on sites like this can't exclude even replies to those that are on the ignore list? It seems to me it wouldn't be rocket science.
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"IGNORE LIST" this mangy troll and don't reply to the stupid comments they post. Then those that have used the ignore list to avoid seeing the stupidity don't have to see it in a reply.
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Exactly! Mine has just hit 60 entries, with a surge recently. \
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Exactly! Mine has just hit 60 entries, with a surge recently. \

Wow! Mine is only at ten so far. Maybe you should find a way to export the list and offer it to the rest of us?
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Wow! Mine is only at ten so far. Maybe you should find a way to export the list and offer it to the rest of us?

Perhaps. I for one am invested in the notion of ignoring trolls, otherwise AI would be too tedious to continue with.
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Your posts are always fakes. You put out new garbage in perfectly good threads so the progress of the conversation is interrupted or corrupted.

The only thing we can be certain of is that you do not MEAN what you are saying.

I see what you did there. SO clever!!
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I often wonder why the blog software used on sites like this can't exclude even replies to those that are on the ignore list? It seems to me it wouldn't be rocket science.


I looked into this awhile back. I also have VB running and the way the database is set up is that when you reply, the quoted part becomes part of your message in the same database field. The logical way to do what you suggest is with a regular expression rule. As you say, it is not rocket science. You would need another query in the show list function. The way it would work is it would find an open [Quote= then the semi colon, parse the word between them against the ignore list. If it gets a hit then it deletes all the way up to the end [/Quote] while adding it to the page output buffer.

Of course there could be a more robust implementation in that it puts the ignored text into a hidden div with a reveal button in case you did want to see the ignored text.

I didn't end up writing the code for myself since the board I have is private intra-company only but I have no idea why Jelsoft doesn't fix that.

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"IGNORE LIST" this mangy troll and don't reply to the stupid comments they post. Then those that have used the ignore list to avoid seeing the stupidity don't have to see it in a reply.
The ignore list is your friend. Learn it, know it, exercise it, live it....

Advice taken. But thanks for adding "mangy."
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The listings include requests for an iCloud Server Software Engineer, iCloud Java Server Engineer, two iCloud Senior Software Engineers, two iCloud Software Engineers, iCloud Java Server Software Engineer, iCloud C/C++ Server Software Engineer, iCloud Game Center Server Engineer, iCloud Backend Server Engineer - Java, iCloud Backend Server Engineer - C++ and Windows Engineer - iCloud.

This is probably the size of team you'd assemble to develop a workaround for the Motorola patents. These could be backfills for people already pulled into a high profile emergency project to come up with that solution.
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"IGNORE LIST" this mangy troll and don't reply to the stupid comments they post. Then those that have used the ignore list to avoid seeing the stupidity don't have to see it in a reply.
The ignore list is your friend. Learn it, know it, exercise it, live it....

Actually this is clearly an example of how AI forum moderation is failing and a general indictment of human-powered forum moderation. It scales poorly.

A dozen people could have this person on their ignore list, but you'd still see responses to that person and it is likely that there are people who are bothered by the individual who for whatever reason aren't using the ignore list feature.

The biggest problem with undesirable individuals (e.g., trolls) is that they bring down the entire quality of discussion and make the community less appealing to the infrequent, random visitor.

What would help would be a community-based comment ranking system that would allow participants to rate other users' comments. Below a certain score, a post may not be automatically visible.

Slashdot implemented this several years ago after years and years of some of the most heinous online behavior on the planet. Today Slashdot is actually readable, but for several years, it was not.

Ignore lists are the wrong way to handle this. Those are individually implemented against a particular person. The comment ranking system is a community-based system and judges the specific piece of content, not the source.

In any case, for AppleInsider to allow certain individuals to continue polluting this forum is bodes very poorly.
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The biggest problem with undesirable individuals (e.g., trolls) is that they bring down the entire quality of discussion and make the community less appealing to the infrequent, random visitor.

Indeed. I never use the Ignore feature because I find it infantile. It's the digital equivalent of 'la la la, I'm not listening' and can be abused by users to block from their sight people with legitimate (but opposing) viewpoints, simply because they're opposing. That's just not the way to lead your life. Think of how much trouble has been caused by people who are mostly in the right ignoring where they're truly wrong because it was pointed out to them by their self-designated opponents.

Also, I don't use it because they need to be challenged for your second reason there. We have way more guests read the forums than users. If everyone ignores people they consider trolls, their posts are still visible to ALL guests. And if no one challenges the lies they spew, the guests will take it as accepted fact and then be hurt by it later (and not return, not become members, etc.).

We don't really have a troll removal policy. Unless the offense is blindingly egregious (if they're just plain insulting, if the account looks to have been created just to be contrary to the forum's purpose, or if they have a history of violent anti-Apple rhetoric), they're allowed to stay. I agree wholeheartedly that this shouldn't become a forum of nothing but Apple ][s, back-patting each other and everything that Apple does, but that might be able to be dialed up a bit.

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In any case, for AppleInsider to allow certain individuals to continue polluting this forum is bodes very poorly.

Well, there's always the Feedback section. I'm sure we welcome all constructive comments on how to improve stuff.

But now let's get back to the thread. I could have sworn somewhere it talked about creating a dozen jobs? Sounds a little low to me. I don't suggest pulling from an unqualified pool, but for something as important to the future as iCloud, you'd think Apple would want a slightly larger team.

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Indeed. I never use the Ignore feature because I find it infantile. It's the digital equivalent of 'la la la, I'm not listening' and can be abused by users to block from their sight people with legitimate (but opposing) viewpoints, simply because they're opposing. That's just not the way to lead your life. Think of how much trouble has been caused by people who are mostly in the right ignoring where they're truly wrong because it was pointed out to them by their self-designated opponents.

Also, I don't use it because they need to be challenged for your second reason there. We have way more guests read the forums than users. If everyone ignores people they consider trolls, their posts are still visible to ALL guests. And if no one challenges the lies they spew, the guests will take it as accepted fact and then be hurt by it later (and not return, not become members, etc.).

We don't really have a troll removal policy. Unless the offense is blindingly egregious (if they're just plain insulting, if the account looks to have been created just to be contrary to the forum's purpose, or if they have a history of violent anti-Apple rhetoric), they're allowed to stay. I agree wholeheartedly that this shouldn't become a forum of nothing but Apple ][s, back-patting each other and everything that Apple does, but that might be able to be dialed up a bit.



Well, there's always the Feedback section. I'm sure we welcome all constructive comments on how to improve stuff.

But now let's get back to the thread. I could have sworn somewhere it talked about creating a dozen jobs? Sounds a little low to me. I don't suggest pulling from an unqualified pool, but for something as important to the future as iCloud, you'd think Apple would want a slightly larger team.

Someone, in this case myself, mentions the use of a forum feature designed to avoid the hassle of dealing with plainly objectionable material that forum moderators are incapable of managing and you describe that as infantile. Confirms my belief that AI was desperate when appointing you a moderator.
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Someone, in this case myself, mentions the use of a forum feature designed to avoid the hassle of dealing with plainly objectionable material that forum moderators are incapable of managing and you describe that as infantile.

That's not my job here, though.

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Confirms my belief that AI was desperate when appointing you a moderator.

And why's that? They were itching for spam cleanup, and as I was the one who found most of it, here I am. That's my job.

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Someone, in this case myself, mentions the use of a forum feature designed to avoid the hassle of dealing with plainly objectionable material that forum moderators are incapable of managing and you describe that as infantile. Confirms my belief that AI was desperate when appointing you a moderator.

I'm not sure why we need to insult someone who is volunteering their time to make the forum spam free for all readers. From what I recall, before his appointment spam was getting annoyingly bad on this site so I can't help but think he's doing a commendable job. You don't have to like or agree with his the mods but I think you should at least appreciate this unpaid service they offer to this community... except for Mr. H, that guy's a jerk¡

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I'm not sure why we need to insult someone who is volunteering their time to make the forum spam free for all readers. From what I recall, before his appointment spam was getting annoyingly bad on this site so I can't help but think he's doing a commendable job. You don't have to like or agree with his the mods but I think you should at least appreciate this unpaid service they offer to this community... except for Mr. H, that guy's a jerk¡

This person often is the first to lower the tenor of conversation. Mods previously could not be accused of that. As for Mr. H, I do not share your experience. (I too am a mod on another site, I know what it takes.)
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As for Mr. H, I do not share your experience. (I too am a mod on another site, I know what it takes.)

That was meant to be a joke. The upside exclamation point is how I signify irony.

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That was meant to be a joke. The upside exclamation point is how I signify irony.

Please forgive me for missing that! (I did notice what I thought was a typo).
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We don't really have a troll removal policy. Unless the offense is blindingly egregious (if they're just plain insulting, if the account looks to have been created just to be contrary to the forum's purpose, or if they have a history of violent anti-Apple rhetoric), they're allowed to stay. I agree wholeheartedly that this shouldn't become a forum of nothing but Apple ][s, back-patting each other and everything that Apple does, but that might be able to be dialed up a bit.

I'm not asking the AI forum moderators to turn this place into a country club for fanbois. I have no problem with alternate viewpoints, as long as they are carefully considered and thoughtfully presented.

I am requesting the implementation of a comment-scoring system that would allow readers to judge the content, not the source.

Again, my main point is that undesirable participants are being allowed to pollute this spot mostly because current forum administration policy restricts banning to "all-powerful" moderators. My proposal for a comment-scoring system would actually reduce workload for forum moderators. Again, let the community police itself for inappropriate content, not castigate specific users. If a particular user frequently posts inappropriate items, well, eventually that person may go away on his/her own volition. But until that time, that person is welcome to contribute thoughtful, relevant commentary.
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I'm not asking the AI forum moderators to turn this place into a country club for fanbois. I have no problem with alternate viewpoints, as long as they are carefully considered and thoughtfully presented.

I am requesting the implementation of a comment-scoring system that would allow readers to judge the content, not the source.

Again, my main point is that undesirable participants are being allowed to pollute this spot mostly because current forum administration policy restricts banning to "all-powerful" moderators. My proposal for a comment-scoring system would actually reduce workload for forum moderators. Again, let the community police itself for inappropriate content, not castigate specific users.

vBulletin 4.0 does list "post rating" as a feature. Personally I'd like to see AI update so their forum can finally be optimized for smartphones over adding any specific forum features. Not that I'm against new features but i've seen sites fall apart after adding new features. Engadget tried a lot of different things before finally getting Disqus for their comments.

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vBulletin 4.0 does list "post rating" as a feature. Personally I'd like to see AI update so their forum can finally be optimized for smartphones over adding any specific forum features. Not that I'm against new features but i've seen sites fall apart after adding new features. Engadget tried a lot of different things before finally getting Disqus for their comments.

One site that I encountered recently required that someone posting a (casual) reply had a facebook account. Replies were conducted through facebook. I'm sure that AI would not be sucked into this but just to say it - please, no!
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One site that I encountered recently required that someone posting a (casual) reply had a facebook account. Replies were conducted through facebook. I'm sure that AI would not be sucked into this but just to say it - please, no!

Oh yes, heavens no to that. I have the Get Off My Lawn extension for a reason.

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One site that I encountered recently required that someone posting a (casual) reply had a facebook account. Replies were conducted through facebook. I'm sure that AI would not be sucked into this but just to say it - please, no!

TS just informed me that MR uses a slightly older version of vBulletin than AI yet has a rating system in place. Perhaps you can request and make a case for it in the Feedback forum section.

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"The real haunted empire?  It's the New York Times." ~SockRolid

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

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Will more staff help make iCloud good for something beyond consuming what passes for art during the trashy end of the nasty American empire?

I need more ways to consume (note I do not say "listen to") what we now call music like I need more ways to eat fat.
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