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Flexible screens are not even close to the retina displays apple needs. Not to mention that for a flexible tab,et the other components will have to become smaller or flexible for a viable form factor. I have not seen concept that will truly work for daily use.

I mean batteries, motherboard/chips, etc... Will have to become flexible or a lot smaller it will take years IMHO.
post #162 of 293
This is to fool people that the Samsung 7" tablets is as good as iPad.
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What it Apple announces a 7" iPad on March 7?
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post #164 of 293
This looks to me like an attempt by Samsung to pick on Sharp for Apple contracts.
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What if Apple announces a 7" iPad on March 7?

I guess they figure they can make a go with a 7" iPad.

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post #166 of 293
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16:9 sucks at 7".

Even worse than it sucks at 10"
Who really wants to watch movies on a tablet anyway?

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How? You can't possibly reach the entire screen with one hand.

I can easly hold a book and turn pages with one hand on a 7" tablet.
Can`t do it with an iPad

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'Hood pockets, sure. Do you want that to be your main demographic?

7" tablet fits nicely in my inside jacket pocket.
iPad might fit in my purse, if I had a purse.

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You really think car manufacturers are going to let third party stuff where they could have full control?

I don`t think they have a choice.
Sound systems are sound systems, after market is always available for an audio system.

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They'd be brain-dead to make a 7" device.

I`d buy one in a heartbeat, I have no use for the current iPad form factor so I haven`t bought one.
If the Kindle Fires sales numbers are any indication there`s a market for a 7" form factor.
Those numbers would explode with an Apple device.

Just have to get the profit margins right and they`d be fools not to produce a 7" tablet.
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If the Kindle Fires sales numbers are any indication there`s a market for a 7" form factor.
Those numbers would explode with an Apple device.

Possibly, but remember it was a new release in a holiday quarter and being sold at the cost of a 8GB IPod Touch.

Now Apple could surely make the Kindle Fire for less money than it costs Amazon but can Apple make a 7" iPad that doesn't have the HW limitations of the Kindle Fire and still returns a reasonable profit that doesn't eat into their iPad sales thus making their net profits larger than with no 7" device?

At $199 that seems impossible. At $249, the cost of the B&N Nook Color, that still seems unlikely. I think $299 would be the minimum.

What is the cost of the missing HW. The Kindle Fire is limited in function much the same way the iPod Touch offers a lot less HW than the iPhone, but the Touch still can register 11 inputs while the Kindle Fire can register only 2. Since Android can register more than 2 inputs i have to think this is a limitation of the HW. How much money does that save Amazon per unit?

Would a 7" iPad be a milled aluminium chassis? Would people be okay with 8GB storage?

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post #168 of 293
Just to reiterate some stuff, since there seems to have been some misunderstanding:

I don't think Apple will introduce a 7" tablet just because they feel there is competitive pressure to which they're obliged to respond. Anyone who thinks that is the case hasn't really been paying attention to Apple the last 10 years or so. They evolve their platforms according to their own logic, and at times seem almost weirdly indifferent to what anyone else is doing. That's not sycophantic Apple worship, that's just stating facts.

I mentioned several examples of product categories that lots of people claimed Apple had to participate in (netbooks and cheap, easy to upgrade towers) which they never did (with no damage to their fortunes whatsoever), but the list can easily be extended to include other "critical" technologies or feature sets that people on these forums were dead certain Apple would have to adopt to remain competitive.

Remember "Viiv", Intel's home media chipset? Apple had no answer and was to be presently locked out of the living room. Or how Apple had to give up margins to get some cheaper hardware on the market before they inevitably became a niche boutique label for people with more money than sense? Or any given given "spec" that Apple is forever "falling behind" on, and which will presently doom them to technological irrelevance?

The trouble with this kind of thinking is that it buys into the shortsighted low margin logic of everyone else, wherein fast iteration of novel features is used to churn the market and drive volume. As we've seen of late, the entire model is broken and beginning to be abandoned by many of the incumbent players. Why? Because you don't actually make any money that way.

Apple may or may not elect to make a 7" iPad at some point. If they do so it will be because they think they can make a great product that they can sell in great numbers which addresses an actual market. But to point to "successful" 7" devices somehow "requiring" that Apple respond or lose market share takes more account of the noise being made by Apple's rivals than the actual numbers involved, IMO, and is reminiscent of previous claims that Apple wasn't being sufficiently aggressive, creative, imaginative or broadminded, according to this or that poster.

As the most astonishingly successful company on the planet I think we can maybe at this point give the benefit of the doubt and assume their reasons for doing or not doing something are pretty sound.
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post #169 of 293
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Possibly, but remember it was a new release in a holiday quarter and being sold at the cost of a 8GB IPod Touch.

Now Apple could surely make the Kindle Fire for less money than it costs Amazon but can Apple make a 7" iPad that doesn't have the HW limitations of the Kindle Fire and still returns a reasonable profit that doesn't eat into their iPad sales thus making their net profits larger than with no 7" device?

At $199 that seems impossible. At $249, the cost of the B&N Nook Color, that still seems unlikely. I think $299 would be the minimum.

What is the cost of the missing HW. The Kindle Fire is limited in function much the same way the iPod Touch offers a lot less HW than the iPhone, but the Touch still can register 11 inputs while the Kindle Fire can register only 2. Since Android can register more than 2 inputs i have to think this is a limitation of the HW. How much money does that save Amazon per unit?

Would a 7" iPad be a milled aluminium chassis? Would people be okay with 8GB storage?

Solipsism, I'm beginning to believe that these 7" tablets may not be costing as much to manufacture as we might think. Did you see Archos announcement of the Child Pad? A 7" slate running Android ICS on a 1ghz processor, and just $129 at retail. Wholesale would be less than that, so imagine how inexpensive it must be to produce. Granted it only includes 1GB RAM, but increasing it to 8GB would only have added $10 or so to the production cost.

EDIT: I think it's a safe assumption that the retailer is making at least 30% if selling at full retail, and with a distributor probably involved they'd be likely to take another 20% or more for themselves. That would leave Archos' wholesale selling price at less than $70. They aren't selling it at cost, so I personally believe the build itself before shipping and support costs couldn't be more than $45 or so.

IMHO, with Apple's greater economy of scale and aggressive price negotiations, I think a build cost of $110 or perhaps $120 for a quality 7" iPad including IPS display, 8GB RAM, camera and bluetooth/wifi is achievable.
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post #170 of 293
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Solipsism, I'm beginning to believe that these 7" tablets may not be costing as much to manufacture as we might think. Did you see Archos announcement of the Child Pad? A 7" slate running Android ICS on a 1ghz processor, and just $129 at retail. Wholesale would be less than that, so imagine how inexpensive it must be to produce. Granted it only includes 1GB RAM, but increasing it to 8GB would only have added $10 or so to the production cost.

The fun is watching the evolution of products. Discussion on pricing are difficult unless you can peer into the availability of new products and see where consolidation can happen.

What's clear to me is that every n amount of time a product has it's allowed to incorporate new more efficient products. A Q3 launch product is going to have more access to the upcoming hardware than the previous generation.

I'm eagerly awaiting faster Wifi, more integrated sensors (Accel, Gyro, Compass) and other components that drive down cost and increase reliability.

I'd love to find a great source for seeing what's new with battery technology.
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post #171 of 293
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Flexible screens are not even close to the retina displays apple needs.

Actually they are pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJEHp15Hoo0

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This is to fool people that the Samsung 7" tablets is as good as iPad.

The only place this made news is AI.

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As the most astonishingly successful company on the planet I think we can maybe at this point give the benefit of the doubt and assume their reasons for doing or not doing something are pretty sound.

There's always room for growth. If I were an Apple stock holder, I would definitely want Apple to start selling 7" tabs. There are too many people who use them as e-readers, and because of the portability factor, especially for women because they fit better in purses than full size tabs. Apple would be stupid not to get into this market.
post #172 of 293
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This looks to me like an attempt by Samsung to pick on Sharp for Apple contracts.

You have a flawed analysis then.

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Flexible screens are not even close to the retina displays apple needs. Not to mention that for a flexible tab,et the other components will have to become smaller or flexible for a viable form factor. I have not seen concept that will truly work for daily use.

I mean batteries, motherboard/chips, etc... Will have to become flexible or a lot smaller it will take years IMHO.

There are already plastic electronic components in the labs. Displays were the last hurdle to a true flexibility enabled electronic device.

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post #173 of 293
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Solipsism, I'm beginning to believe that these 7" tablets may not be costing as much to manufacture as we might think. Did you see Archos announcement of the Child Pad? A 7" slate running Android ICS on a 1ghz processor, and just $129 at retail. Wholesale would be less than that, so imagine how inexpensive it must be to produce. Granted it only includes 1GB RAM, but increasing it to 8GB would only have added $10 or so to the production cost.

There are certainly cheap tablets out there, even at 10", just as there are cheap PCs on the market. I don't think anyone is saying that you can't make a cheap product.

Is the 1GB RAM referring to NAND storage or the amount of RAM on the SoC? I can't find any info on the amount of storage. And note that simple specs like 1GHz CPU and 1GB RAM might look impressive but they only tell you two simple specs and they are quite inexpensive. For instance, the iPhone 4S only has 512GB RAM but that RAM is cutting edge for a smartphone.

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post #174 of 293
you can't please all the people all the time.. and you know what? that is ok. The best customers are the reasonable ones that want to be your customers. There are plenty out there. For those that don't, they will always standing on their soapbox and demanding a 7" root-able iPad with removable battery, OLED flexible screen, SD card slot, USB ports, slide out keyboard, 4G LTE, which allows you to run Microsoft Office and play Flash for less than the cost of the HW while calling you a money greedy evil monopolistic corporation.
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post #175 of 293
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There are certainly cheap tablets out there, even at 10", just as there are cheap PCs on the market. I don't think anyone is saying that you can't make a cheap product.

Is the 1GB RAM referring to NAND storage or the amount of RAM on the SoC? I can't find any info on the amount of storage. And note that simple specs like 1GHz CPU and 1GB RAM might look impressive but they only tell you two simple specs and they are quite inexpensive. For instance, the iPhone 4S only has 512GB RAM but that RAM is cutting edge for a smartphone.

I don't know if you saw my edit, or whether your reply addressed it.
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post #176 of 293
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EDIT: I think it's a safe assumption that the retailer is making at least 30% if selling at full retail, and with a distributor probably involved they'd be likely to take another 20% or more for themselves. That would leave Archos' wholesale selling price at less than $70. They aren't selling it at cost, so I personally believe the build itself before shipping and support costs couldn't be more than $45 or so.

IMHO, with Apple's greater economy of scale and aggressive price negotiations, I think a build cost of $110 or perhaps $120 for a quality 7" iPad including IPS display, 8GB RAM, camera and bluetooth/wifi is achievable.

I hadn't even thought about a camera and Bluetooth. Does the Kindle Fire even have a speaker and mic? There are a lot of little things that just add up.

If it's a 7" iPad then I would expect IPS panel aluminum casing... the works. If it's a 7" iPod Touch I would expect an IPS panel though wouldn't be surprised by TN (note that every 7" tablet under $199 seems to be TN except for the Kindle Fire), and I would expect a plastic backing.

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post #177 of 293
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But when I say the same thing you get your panties in a bunch.

I didn't like the way your usual apologist persona here was splitting hairs with it being a larger iPod touch and not an iPad mini so as not to dilute the iPad brand. Whatever name they call it should they release it it's going to be a 7-8" tablet - which they claimed had no inherent benefit to it more than a year ago. I still don't think Steve's claim then was all marketing and no substance as this size has much more shortcomings than it has benefits, but some benefits for the form factor do exist, apple just didn't think it worth going against competitors at that stage in this format, before allowing the ipad to enter as many homes as it could, but now could very well be thinking that that iPad is already established enough to have a smaller cousin for different purposes, and that they shouldn't be allowing amazon and android's to enter their market from the bottom up so to speak by carving a nice segment for themselves with their cheaper smaller form factor before moving on to sell a later larger iPad like tablet to the same customers. If that's what they are thinking now, I am 100% with them and it will be good to see that there's still some foresight at apple after the os x debacles...
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I didn't like the way your usual apologist persona here was splitting hairs with it being a larger iPod touch and not an iPad mini so as not to dilute the iPad brand. Whatever name they call it should they release it it's going to be a 7-8" tablet - which they claimed had no inherent benefit to it more than a year ago. I still don't think Steve's claim then was all marketing and no substance as this size has much more shortcomings than it has benefits, but some benefits for the form factor do exist, apple just didn't think it worth going against competitors at that stage in this format, before allowing the ipad to enter as many homes as it could, but now could very well be thinking that that iPad is already established enough to have a smaller cousin for different purposes, and that they shouldn't be allowing amazon and android's to enter their market from the bottom up so to speak by carving a nice segment for themselves with their cheaper smaller form factor before moving on to sell a later larger iPad like tablet to the same customers. If that's what they are thinking now, I am 100% with them and it will be good to see that there's still some foresight at apple after the os x debacles...

That's right, having distinct differences in design, HW inclusions, overall cost and marketing mean nothing because the iPad is just a large iPod Touch.

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post #179 of 293
I seem to recall a time, fairly recently, when many where sure Apple was presently to release an "iPhone Mini", since obviously they'd need to extend the product line to cover all the action and not leave any money on the table.

Of course, you don't hear too much about that any more, since the new "action" is all about 5"+ screens and Apple needs to make one of those, now.

As Soli pointed out, touch devices are inherently different from iPods or Macs, since the screen size is part of the UI. The iPhone is the size it is because Apple's exhaustive pre-release testing suggested to them that that size works best as an aspect of the entire device, software and hardware. Same goes for the iPad. Apple didn't make the iPad the size they did for laughs, they did it because they determined that that was the best size for a device other than the iPhone. Pocketable: 3.5" screen. Not pocketable: 9.7" screen. It could have been 7 at launch. It could have been 11. They chose 9.7" because of how it worked.

So a 7" iPad wouldn't just be device to slot in between the iPhone and existing iPad, to cover the market and satisfy "choice." It would have to work, in the sense Apple defines work-- do something better in a compelling way. Samsung makes devices in every size just in case. Not Apple.
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post #180 of 293
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That's right, having distinct differences in design, HW inclusions, overall cost and marketing mean nothing because the iPad is just a large iPod Touch.

Putting words in my mouth while missing my point again? You are very well aware, or you should be, that a 9.7" tablet is quite distinct than a 3.5" iPod and those who claimed otherwise were cretins, but that this is not down to marketing hardware inclusions and whatever you mean by loosely referring to as design but due to the distinct usage and user interface capabilities due to the quite distinct form factor. But at 7-8" inches the lines blur especially so when iOS interface has so many common elements across the two sizes it caters for now. The only reason you were splitting hairs and opted for a large iPod touch as opposed to a small iPad was that you did not want to implicitly admit that more than a year ago Steves claim that a smaller iPad would be a completely pointless form factor was a half truth, and a half marketing ploy to sell apple's product instead.

@addagox, I don't disagree, I never claimed a smaller iPhone or a net book where anything but idiotic propositions that apple had no part in. As to how they can make, or if they can make a 8" iPad mini/ iPod touch mega compelling enough and differentiated enough while also keeping common ui cues remains to be seen, I don't think they have much room for movement, and I wouldn't put it past them at this stage of their evolution to just shrink the iPad ui with a modicum of changes and rationalise that they are offering some distinct capability, maybe their native maps/navigation app, who knows.. I am always prepared to be amazed by apple but I am never prepared to be uncritical of them.
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The only reason you were splitting hairs and opted for a large iPod touch as opposed to a small iPad was that you did not want to implicitly admit that more than a year ago Steves claim that a smaller iPad would be a completely pointless form factor was a half truth, and a half marketing ploy to sell apple's product instead.

I stated his comments shouldn't be taken verbatim when he said them. I distinctly recall you being quite upset about his "sand down their fingers" comment despite not realizing they make 1/8th size devices.

Steve never said that any other size wasn't possible. He stated they found the 9.7" 4:3 panel to be ideal for their needs and that the then current 7" tablets were DOA. Show us one comment where Steve said no 7" device would ever work. If you had a solid grasp of English I don't think you'd start to comprehension language a little better and wouldn't add absolutes to comments that were never implied.

I've clearly stated why I think a larger iPod Touch makes more sense than a smaller iPad. I've stated many reasons for it, namely as a way to profit from using cheaper components and to prop up the iPod arm.

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Samsung makes devices in every size just in case. Not Apple.

Apple makes iPod Touch, iPod Classic, Shuffle, and Nano.

They will make a smaller tablet.
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If you had a solid grasp of English I don't think you'd start to comprehension language a little better and wouldn't add absolutes to comments that were never implied.

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If you had a solid grasp of English you'd start to comprehend language a little better and wouldn't add absolutes to comments that were never implied.

Fixed.

And I 've wagered they ll make an iPad mini and increase the iPod sizes according to the new iPhone display size. So we shall see what they choose in the end.
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Apple makes iPod Touch, iPod Classic, Shuffle, and Nano.

They will make a smaller tablet.

You sound like myapplelove when you make these absolute statements and use irrelevant examples to justify your unqualified claims.
  • Apple could make a smaller tablet. √
  • Apple should make a smaller tablet √
  • Apple will make a smaller tablet. X
You guys should really learn the difference.

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And I 've wagered they ll make an iPad mini and increase the iPod sizes according to the new iPhone display size. So we shall see what they choose in the end.

I've been speculating that Apple might make a larger iPhone and iPod Touch for a couple years, including how they might best release it and when. I'm perfectly okay with you taking my ideas if it means you are actually reading.

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If other companies start to gain traction in the 7" space then Apple will make one. Otherwise they will just cater to the lower end market using last year's model.
Maybe the Kindle has already made them decide to enter this market.
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You really think car manufacturers are going to let third party stuff where they could have full control?

Yes, and they are doing that now. Maybe not the main dashboard, but there is an open media console available that a number of vehicle manufactures are involved in
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If other companies start to gain traction in the 7" space then Apple will make one. Otherwise they will just cater to the lower end market using last year's model.
Maybe the Kindle has already made them decide to enter this market.

That puts Apple in a reactionary mode. I don't believe any changes to the iPad size are in response to anything other than "one size does not fit all".

I think iCloud is a bigger incentive to add another size versus any competitor.
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That puts Apple in a reactionary mode. I don't believe any changes to the iPad size are in response to anything other than "one size does not fit all".

I think iCloud is a bigger incentive to add another size versus any competitor.

They can afford to he in reactionary mode, they are on top. It's the others that have to try desperate things to unseat them, such as different form factors or selling at a loss.
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No matter what apple decides to call it -and I will wager it will be an iPad mini, and we are also going to see slightly enlarged iPod touches to match the iPhones- it will still be a 7-8" tablet.

A wager is a wager, I don't need to qualify it with anything. Plausible arguments have time and again preceeded erroneous predictions.
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...if apple do release a 7" tablet they won't be flip flopping on their previous stance...

Which previous stance did Apple have on 7" tablets? Try to get some actual and full quotes when you reply. It would be nice for you to actually have a plausible argument instead of your usual erroneous assertions.

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"The reason we [won't] make a 7-inch tablet isn't because we don't want to hit that price point, it's because we think the screen is too small to express the software," Jobs said on Monday's quarterly earnings conference call. "As a software driven company we think about the software strategies first."

"We know developers aren't going to deal well with these different sizes and they have to change their software every time the screen size changes," he added. "When we make decisions on 7-inch tablets it's not about cost, it's about the value of the product when you factor in the software."

You see what I'm getting at?," Jobs continued. "So we're all about making the best products at aggressive prices and that's what we do, and that's what we will do with the iPad and iPod."

Asked by an analyst how he would respond -- and whether Apple would lose share -- if the market suddenly moves to a lower price point with fewer features, Jobs said "You're looking at it wrong, […] looking at it as a hardware manufacturer who doesn't know much about software who assumes the software will take care of itself."

"Hm, how can we make this cheaper? Well let's put a smaller screen, slower processor, less memory, and you just assume the software will somehow come alive on this product but it won't," Jobs quipped. "Developers have taken advantage of faster processors and bigger screens to make better apps for customers."

"It's a hard one," the Apple co-found said of such a strategy, "because it throws you in the chicken-and-egg question to change assumptions on developers." Most developers won't follow that lead, he suggest. Instead, they're more likely to say, "Sorry, I'm not going to write a watered down version of my app just because you can sell this version of your phone for $50 less."

Rumors of a 7-inch iPad have come from numerous publications, but were first dispersed by Taiwan's DigiTimes. In addition, other reports, largely from the Far East, have alleged that Apple is working on a smaller version of the iPad.

Those reports suggested that the current iPad is too heavy for users, and that a smaller form factor and lighter weight would be more ideal for reading.

Jobs' comments on Monday come as a number of competitors are embracing the 7-inch form factor with their own touchscreen tablets. Samsung's Galaxy Tab is set to launch this year with all four major U.S. wireless carriers, while BlackBerry plans to release its own PlayBook in early 2011.

Earlier this month, it was suggested that Apple developed a 7-inch iPad alongside the current model, but eventually opted just to release the current 9.7-inch model. Jobs' comments Monday would support that rumor, as the CEO noted that his company has done extensive research on touchscreen interfaces and what works best for users.

"We really understand this stuff," Jobs said.

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“While one could increase the resolution of the display to make up for some of the difference, it is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of their present size,” Jobs said.

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“The current crop of 7-inch tablets are going to be DOA, dead on arrival,” Jobs said.

Those last are usually not complete and taken out of context. You can't simply shrink everything down and expect to be the same experience you will need to adjust the UI to meet this new need. You can deny that is what Jobs meant the context is clear. You're wrong!

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I’m taking this with as much salt as any other random tech pundant. Think about it - if Samsung knew something (as a component maker), they would be under NDA and their legal team (busy with lawsuits) isn’t going to want the headache of dealing with a blatant violation possibly affecting other IP suits.

No, this is nothing more than a “Apple has to do X” or “Apple should do X” or “Apple will do X to compete with Y”. We know how Apple appreciates outside advice on how to run their company right???
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Loser terminates account?

Where are you? In a grade-school playground?
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I've been speculating that Apple might make a larger iPhone and iPod Touch for a couple years, including how they might best release it and when. I'm perfectly okay with you taking my ideas if it means you are actually reading.

I am perfectly happy with your broad speculation of what apple might do, but I am not so sure about your reading, so I ll remind you that I wagered on what exactly the will do by 2012, ipad mini, and new larger screen iPhone and touches.
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I am perfectly happy with your broad speculation of what apple might do,

You should be. I try to qualify my statement and not to state my speculative opinions as unquestionable fact.

Again, I speculate an iPad HD, an AppleTV FHD, iTunes Store FHD, updated iPod Touch. And if Apple was going to release a larger iPhone for the presumed Autumn release I think it might make sense to first launch a larger iPod Touch that would mirror the display size so that there will be little to no issues for 3rd-party apps to be adopted even though it is against Apple's grain. My reasoning is looking back on the iPad and the very few idealized apps for the platform. While this wouldn't be even close to the severity it might be more than Apple is willing to handle, which is with their grain.

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but I am not so sure about your reading, so I ll remind you that I wagered on what exactly the will do by 2012, ipad mini, and new larger screen iPhone and touches.

Can you use 'by' to mean within the stated parameter or did you just lose your own bet?

PS: Did RPT take your wager? You didn't exactly spell out any criteria for it. It read like an idiom but now you're referenced it twice like it was an actual bet. Did you guys set something up in a private conversation.

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Looks like the 30-pin connector is the same.
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Even worse than it sucks at 10"
Who really wants to watch movies on a tablet anyway?

my kids do. great for trips in the car or airplane.


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Even worse than it sucks at 10"
I can easly hold a book and turn pages with one hand on a 7" tablet.
Can`t do it with an iPad

Agreed, this is why I bought a Kindle. $79.. Great battery life, great screen for reading in the day time. Get one. Dedicated buttons from turning pages.. great book reader! Buy one.
Crappy tablet however.


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7" tablet fits nicely in my inside jacket pocket.
iPad might fit in my purse, if I had a purse.

my iPhone fits in my shirt, pants or shorts pocket , don't need inside jacket pocket. Work much better especially, when its inappropriate to haul around a jacket (i.e. summer time).



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I`d buy one in a heartbeat, I have no use for the current iPad form factor so I haven`t bought one.

I highly doubt it.. you don't want to be a customer. If you really wanted an iPad, you would have bought one already. You don't want to buy one, you just want to complain. Sounds like what you want is a Kindle Fire.. go buy one and stick it in your inside coat pocket.. be happy.

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If the Kindle Fires sales numbers are any indication there`s a market for a 7" form factor.
Those numbers would explode with an Apple device.

All it proves is there is a market for cheapskates. Just like the Netbook market.
The fire is worse book reader (bad battery and bad screen compared to eInk) than the $79 Kindle and a worse tablet then an iPad. If someone gave me a Fire for x-mas, I would return it and buy one normal Kindle and spend the other $120 on something else.

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Just have to get the profit margins right and they`d be fools not to produce a 7" tablet.

the same could have been said about Netbooks.
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Just to be picky ... the most noticeable feature of roll up projector screens is how almost no one rolls them up most of the time.

Haha...so true

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Apple makes iPod Touch, iPod Classic, Shuffle, and Nano.

They will make a smaller tablet.

The Touch is in that list in name only, as it is an iOS device and shares the iPhone's screen size.

The other iPods actually make my point, with the evolution dependent on the following: the Classic form factor was roughly what was possible with the technology of the time when the iPod was originally released. However, technology permitting, you actually want a music player as small as possible, since the interface isn't significantly compromised by shrinking it down. Hence, once flash drives allowed it, the Mini then Nano were introduced, with the Classic retained because a big HD required the larger size. Finally, the Shuffle represented the tiniest possible personal music playback device, marketed as a gym and running adjunct, with the notable downside of having no UI at all.

None of those factors are in play with the iPad, since "small as possible" is already covered by the iPhone/Touch, and the iPad, at launch, could have been significantly smaller if Apple had opted for a smaller screen. An iPad shuffle would be pointless, the iPhone/Touch is your Mini/Nano, and the iPad itself represents what Apple believed to be the ideal device size for what they wanted to make, not a somewhat compromised device awaiting further technological innovations to shrink it down.

Apple didn't proliferate the iPod lineup just to be doing it, they shrunk it as technology permitted. For a single purpose device with limited user interaction this makes sense. For a laptop replacement it does not.
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