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post #41 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

16:9 sucks at 7".



How? You can't possibly reach the entire screen with one hand.



'Hood pockets, sure. Do you want that to be your main demographic?



You really think car manufacturers are going to let third party stuff where they could have full control?



They'd be brain-dead to make a 7" device.



Because the "iPhone nano" didn't pan out and the "Apple HDTV" looks to be a bust. They have to move on to some other lie.

How is Apple HDTV a bust?
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post #42 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:32am
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No doubt but without a working product this is at best a novelty and no threat to Apple.

And a working product available for sale to consumers is what Samsung has said is coming this year.

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post #43 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:32am
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How is Apple HDTV a bust?

The idea that Apple would make a television.
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post #44 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:32am
Speaking of 7" tablets, has there been any news lately about Kindle Fire sales?

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post #45 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:35am
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Speaking of 7" tablets, has there been any news lately about Kindle Fire sales?

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Barclays sees sales cooling off.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/...market-ereader

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post #46 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:38am
So is this a real concern for Samsung Securities or a weak attempt to get people's not to buy the 10" iPad in hopes of a 7" model coming soon?

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post #47 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:38am
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Barclays sees sales cooling off.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/...market-ereader

Yeah... Barclay's analyst moved his prediction of sales down from 18.4 million to 17.1 million KFs for 2012.

I think he's still out by about 14 million units.
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post #48 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:42am
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Barclays sees sales cooling off.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/...market-ereader

After the holiday quarter I expect most companies to sell product. The real test will be next holiday season and if sales have a reasonable spike when a new model is released.

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post #49 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:44am
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Creating a smaller iPad will open the door for future larger than iPad tablet computers. People could get introduced to the lower priced 7.85" iPad and love it. Then in another year when Apple introduces a fully capable tablet computer that is equal to or even better than Mac Books, there will be a natural progression for those people to purchase them. Since they will already be familiar with the OS and Apple, they will automatically go with an Apple tablet computer to replace their older Windows machine.

The iPods and iPhones have done this for Apple's iPad and Macs. A smaller iPad will do the same for the company. It will bring more people to the Mac line of computers. Somewhere in this ecosystem will be the Apple TV. I don't know how well it will fit into this. If it has great interoperability with the other Apple products then it too will be a great reason for people to purchase it.

The obvious solution is for Apple to create an iPad-Mini using the iPad's original resolution, if they are going to double it on the iPad HD. That's basically what they did with the iPhone, when they jumped to Retina.
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post #50 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:44am
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Yeah... Barclay's analyst moved his prediction of sales down from 18.4 million to 17.1 million KFs for 2012.

I think he's still out by about 14 million units.

Also interesting is the downgrade of dedicated e-readers overall, tho it probably shouldn't be any surprise.

BTW, Archos new 7" Child Pad is a good example of a company filling in a niche market that Apple wouldn't find worthwhile. At $129, and with a heavily curated Android app store appropriate for kid's, it's likely to get some parent's attention.
http://maxborgesagency.com/press/arc...iendly-tablet/

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post #51 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:46am
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So is this a real concern for Samsung Securities or a weak attempt to get people's not to buy the 10" iPad in hopes of a 7" model coming soon?

That's the kind of games Microsoft use to play with their vaporware announcements. Unfortunately, for Samsung that only works when your the leader and they are not the leader, Apple is. Also, marketshare is no longer enough to make you the leader, as Apple has shown in the PC market.
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post #52 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:51am
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The idea that Apple would make a television.

So Apple has told you this?
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post #53 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:52am
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So is this a real concern for Samsung Securities or a weak attempt to get people's not to buy the 10" iPad in hopes of a 7" model coming soon?

If this was meant as a public announcement for wide consumption I don't think they would have used that particular venue. So IMO it's not meant to influence potential iPad buyers. I consider it real, and Samsung would know if a 7" (nominal) iPad was in the works.

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post #54 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:53am
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So Apple has told you this?

What, about a vaporware TV?

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post #55 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:58am
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However, talk of a smaller-sized iPad has drawn skeptical looks from some who cite comments from late Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dismissing the possibility of a 7-inch tablet. "The reason we [won't] make a 7-inch tablet isn't because we don't want to hit that price point, it's because we think the screen is too small to express the software," Jobs said during a conference call in 2010.

Here's the problem: Steve Jobs is dead. He's no longer with us. Tim Cook is the CEO and he makes decisions which may not be what Steve Jobs wanted.

Steve Jobs simply told Tim Cook that Tim Cook can do whatever works best for Apple.

I trust Tim Cook to do his job and so far, he has done extremely well.
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post #56 of 293
3/3/12 at 10:58am
As others have noted, the 7" market could be huge. I believe the product would be branded iPad and not iPod, however. There are many precedents for Apple moving into different form factors and they all have been about usability and profitability. iPod Nano and Shuffle, 11" MBA, etc.

Apple isn't ceding any market; it's purely for now a prototyping/testing and go-to-market issue-if it is an issue at all. Steve has been known to throw off competitors by publicly denying an interest in entering certain product category markets. I also think Tim is a more aggressive competitor than folks realize.

With a smaller form for other consumer segments (including the education market) along with Apple's precious 40% net margin, Apple could afford to let the consumer decide-larger iPad or smaller iPad. All the bases would be covered, IMHO.

Price? $299 Wifi only and $399 Wifi and 3G. Smaller iPad for the kids, larger one for the 'rents. That would kill the Fire. If the current iPad 2 or iPad 3 is too expensive, a smaller $299 iPad would be a sweet spot for Apple and consumers. If that's too expensive, go for an iPod Touch at $199. The iPad 2 will never go down to $299. Apple knows pricing and the value of its products to the market.
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post #57 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:04am
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So Apple has told you this?

So has Apple told you they are?

Because we've heard this rumor since 2004, and I don't know if you've noticed, but it hasn't come true.

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Price? $299 Wifi only and $399 Wifi and 3G. Smaller iPad for the kids, larger one for the 'rents. That would kill the Fire. If the current iPad 2 or iPad 3 is too expensive, a smaller $299 iPad would be a sweet spot for Apple and consumers. If that's too expensive, go for an iPod Touch at $199. The iPad 2 will never go down to $299. Apple knows pricing and the value of its products to the market.

I just don't see Apple legitimizing an eReader as competition.
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post #58 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:04am
I think a ipad mini is a possibility. If they make one with the same resolution as the original ipad there won't be fragmentation. Also it will mean the end of the psp vita and 3DS If it has a 30 pin controller adapter or Bluetooth controller. And IMHO win8 tablet machines will give apple a lot of competition on 2013. This move will have all the price ranges cover before that.

I love touch gaming but if they want to own the segment on handhelds they need a 30 pin controller adapter for ios devices. That way Sony and nintendo games can be sold for iOS...
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post #59 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:09am
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I doubt we will see a 7 inch unit, but it would be about time for Apple to go into this market. There is no way in the world I would buy the current iPad for two reasons:

No Excel and Power Point
Too large

Without Excel and PP there is no way I could substitute my MBA for the iPad even on short trips, and regarding the size, unlike my wife who carries her iPad in her handbag, I want a device that fits into a large jacket pocket.

I'm sorry, I can't really reconcile the 2 simultaneous desires you want for the iPad. You want it to use it for MS office, yet you want it to be smaller? And you want it to be smaller so it can.. become a Macbook Air replacement? Your wants seem utterly contradictory and irrational. If I wanted a MBA replacement I'd want a BIGGER iPad, not a smaller one. More so if I wanted to use it primarily for productivity work like Excel/PPT which require keyboard input, and would be much more frustrating and unuseable with a smaller screen.

That being said, there's strong rumours Office for iPad will be revealed soon, so there's that.
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post #60 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:13am
FUD to keep people on the sidelines during the preorder and launch.
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post #61 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:19am
My first reaction is that this is a planned leak by Samsung as an attempt to dampen sales of the iPad 3 -- some people will delay buying, thinking a new model is coming in 6-7 months.

This is, indeed, a possibility!

But, consider this: there may be a way to use a smaller screen (with smaller buttons and controls) -- without the need to sand your fingers to a point or carry a stylus.

Some possibilities that could be used in combination:
  1. Device-resident Siri subset for dictation and commands
  2. A transparent HUD with resized (full-sized) buttons and controlls
  3. User and app-definable keyboard macros and shortcuts
  4. Additional virtual keyboard keys like: home, tab, arrows, select start/end...
  5. An invocable "cursor/keypad" HUD with magnifying glass, arrow, mouse overs, etc.

Several 3rd-party apps have virtual kbs with additional keys as above.

I am entering this post on my iPad in portrait mode using the split keyboard... It is quite nice and has a transparent center area that could easily provide the additional keys and the cursor/keypad.

Try it -- I think you will see the possibilities!

IMO, if there is a demand for a smaller device, it need not have exact 1x-2x or retina resolution -- 1.5x would be OK. This could be handled by an enhanced SDK and execution-time hardware assist... Say, preferential resolution-independence...

If the need is there, the developers will come -- and often lead the way!
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post #62 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:24am
They made a big deal about textbooks and education. I'm thinking small, cheap, low storage iPad with A5X SoC exclusively for education, and the normal one with A6 for everyone else.
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post #63 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:26am
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I'm sorry, I can't really reconcile the 2 simultaneous desires you want for the iPad. You want it to use it for MS office, yet you want it to be smaller? And you want it to be smaller so it can.. become a Macbook Air replacement? Your wants seem utterly contradictory and irrational. If I wanted a MBA replacement I'd want a BIGGER iPad, not a smaller one. More so if I wanted to use it primarily for productivity work like Excel/PPT which require keyboard input, and would be much more frustrating and unuseable with a smaller screen.

That being said, there's strong rumours Office for iPad will be revealed soon, so there's that.

A long time ago, I managed to do my spreasheets and presentations on an SE/30 on VGA, I do prefer to do them on my 27 inch iMac, or, unfortunately, on my employers HP 24"/Win7. I see no problems in updating my spreadsheets and presentations on a 7" when traveling, and all the rest I need when out of town I can do on a 7". A 10" forces me to bring a briefcase wherever I go, in which case I would bring my MBA, making the purchase of an iPad meaningless for me.
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post #64 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:27am
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They made a big deal about textbooks and education. I'm thinking small, cheap, low storage iPad with A5X SoC exclusively for education, and the normal one with A6 for everyone else.

Forcing every single textbook already made to be REMADE for the new screen.

I don't think so.

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post #65 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:32am
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The benefits of a 7" model in my opinion:
Better for bedtime reading and browsing
Better for travelling
Great size for a Sat Nav/In car unit
Good size for children
Great size for portable gaming (more so than the iPod touch)
Makes a good A5 notebook
The size & weight will allow even more businesses to utilise them everywhere (9.7" can be a bit cumbersome on the shop floor but great for meetings)

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"Great size for a Sat Nav/In car unit"

...For a [navigation] direction lasting more than four hours -- you should seek the services of a physician
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3/3/12 at 11:38am
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I know exactly what the current unit is like, after all I gave one to my wife. And I do not believe there is one ideal size and not possible to make a smaller one that I, and many other, would like better. When i only had a MBP 15", I believed that that size was the perfect size and a smaller screen would not work. Having had an 11' MBA for a year I have clearly seen that 11" is a much better size for my use.

So show me a music sheet app on a 7" iPad then?

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post #67 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:38am
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You have no imagination.

That's not true. So tell me the advantage of being able to roll up my iPad. Don't give me gimmicks.

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post #68 of 293
3/3/12 at 11:43am
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Here's the problem: Steve Jobs is dead. He's no longer with us. Tim Cook is the CEO and he makes decisions which may not be what Steve Jobs wanted.

Steve Jobs simply told Tim Cook that Tim Cook can do whatever works best for Apple.

I trust Tim Cook to do his job and so far, he has done extremely well.

Why is everyone so focused on Tim Cook? He hasn't the aesthtics or vision to replace Jobs. Jobs said that his chosen successor was Jonny Ives and that he had engineered the power structures within Apple so that Ives would have more operational power than anyone else. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._at_apple.html
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3/3/12 at 11:45am
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That's not true. So tell me the advantage of being able to roll up my iPad. Don't give me gimmicks.

You can hit flies with it, just like a real newspaper*!

*Apple is not responsible for the iRoll breaking when you swat flies with it.
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3/3/12 at 11:49am
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That's not true. So tell me the advantage of being able to roll up my iPad. Don't give me gimmicks.

You're being pragmatic here. No one has demonstrated why you would need a tablet that can be rolled up. There are some case uses in which a flexible panel might have a niche but for general use no one has presented why this would be needed.

I'm not eve going to get into technical issues of such a device in 2012.

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3/3/12 at 11:49am
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So show me a music sheet app on a 7" iPad then?

I don't have a clue, but I never said that the 7" was for you, however it would be pretty good for me, and I believe a lot of others, including some people who make go with Android.
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3/3/12 at 11:50am
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It'll eat into the sales of the 'regular' iPad.

Ain't happening. Apple has no need to tinker with a BLOCKBUSTER product for which there is zero competition.

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3/3/12 at 11:52am
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So how does the battery roll up?

Minor detail.
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3/3/12 at 11:55am
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It'll eat into the sales of the 'regular' iPad.

Ain't happening. Apple has no need to tinker with a BLOCKBUSTER product for which there is zero competition.

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+1 perfect

Not so sure, here...

Paraphrasing Tim Cook and Pogo -- "We have met the competition and they are us!"
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3/3/12 at 11:57am
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Why is everyone so focused on Tim Cook? He hasn't the aesthtics or vision to replace Jobs. Jobs said that his chosen successor was Jonny Ives and that he had engineered the power structures within Apple so that Ives would have more operational power than anyone else. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._at_apple.html

I think you are misinterpreting that article. Tim Cook is the CEO. That gives him the most power and control. Cook can fire Ives (not that he would or he would probably need board approval) but Ives can't fire Cook. Remember, it was the CEO that gave Ives this additional freedom.

What Steve has done is given operational autonomy to Ives. Clearly Ives has proven himself time and time again, and surely by working with Ives over the years Jobs realized that the more freedom he was afforded the better the yields. Since he seems to be a very creative engineer this leap seems easy to make.

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3/3/12 at 11:58am
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+1 perfect

If Apple doesn't start expanding is product range, it will follow the dinosaurs, and making a 7 inch has very low development cost, and however much I like Apple, having had about 20 Macs since my first in 1989, I never admired it's arrogance. Give the customers the respect of giving them a choice. One size doesn't fit all.
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3/3/12 at 11:59am
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Forcing every single textbook already made to be REMADE for the new screen.

I don't think so.


They were made for todays iPad resolution. The smaller one would almost certainly use that same resolution. Why would everything have to be remade then?
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3/3/12 at 12:01pm
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They were made for todays iPad resolution. The smaller one could use that same resolution.

That is the real beauty of the 7 inch!
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3/3/12 at 12:06pm
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If Apple doesn't start expanding is product range, it will follow the dinosaurs, and making a 7 inch has very low development cost, and however much I like Apple, having had about 20 Macs since my first in 1989, I never admired it's arrogance. Give the customers the respect of giving them a choice. One size doesn't fit all.

I agree that Apple should expand its product range but I think they should do it because it will benefit their bottom line and help sustain growth rates. But I don't think that Apple is arrogant because they choose not to cater to every possible person with their product offerings. Clearly they are successful because of their strict focus. This is actually harder to do than throwing everything you can think of at the world and hoping for something to stick.

Now I can see a 5-8" iPod Touch. I can see Apple having component supply issues which could lead to lost sales and possibly diseconomy of scale with trying to obtain 80-120 million iPad 3 2048x1536 displays in 2012. To me this leaves a good opportunity to relieve pressure by offering an additional size device that will still be profitable and will better balance out supply and demand.

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3/3/12 at 12:06pm
Im goona start my own rumor. The 7" flexible device is actually the iPhone 6 with 4g.
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