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Rumor: 4G LTE is 'good to go' for Apple's third-gen iPad

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Yet another report surfaced on Monday to join the chorus of others who have indicated that Apple plans to add a high-speed 4G LTE wireless radio to its third-generation iPad.

Citing the same source who correctly told the site last month that Apple would hold an "iPad 3" event on March 7, iMore has said that Apple's next iPad will include 4G long-term evolution data connectivity. The site said that LTE in the new iPad is "good to go" and will be unveiled at this week's event.

The site also said it is "hearing" that the next iPad will ship with a quad-core processor. Recent reports have been split on whether the processor in the new iPad will be dual-core, like the current iPad 2, or quad-core.

As for 4G LTE, The Wall Street Journal first reported last month that Apple's third-generation iPad would feature a wireless radio compatible with the high-speed 4G networks of carriers Verizon and AT&T in the U.S. There has been no indication regarding compatibility with other LTE carriers around the world.

AT&T and Verizon are currently the only two operators in the U.S. that run LTE networks. Verizon's 4G network now reaches 200 million people, while AT&T, which began building out its LTE network later, covered 74 million people as of the end of 2011.

The next iPad is expected to resort to slower network technology, including 3G, when 4G LTE is not available. The iPad has offered built-in connectivity with AT&T since the first-generation model, while both AT&T and Verizon had their own iPad 2 models available from day one of last year.




The Journal's report came after Bloomberg claimed in January that the next iPad will feature 4G LTE. That same report also said it will feature a quad-core processor and a Retina Display that will have more pixels than many high-definition televisions.

Rumors of a 4G-compatible "iPad 3" have also gained steam after pictures of new LTE micro-SIM cards from AT&T emerged last month. Apple's current iPhone and 3G-capable iPad use micro-SIM cards.

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Paging Captain Obvious.

I'll wait until Digitimes confirms.
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Now all of you can take a deep breath.

Too much evidence pointing toward 4G. It's bound to be in the iPad 3


Edit: Now you can take a small breath and wait until Wednesday.
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Now all of you can take a deep breath.

Too much evidence pointing toward 4G. It's bound to be in the iPad 3

Doubt it... Ill believe it when I see it.

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Makes sense. I mean, the reason the 4S didn't have 4G is the 4G chips at the time added bulk (werent they separate chips?) and devoured battery. Have the chips gotten better? Regardless, those issues are less important on a tablet with a bigger form factor and better battery life.
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Perhaps "compatible with LTE" means the frequencies, encodings and such can be used, but not necessarily with the best (e.g., highest-speed) performance characteristics.
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I'll wait until Digitimes confirms.



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Have the chips gotten better? Regardless, those issues are less important on a tablet with a bigger form factor and better battery life.

Yeah, they are using the 28nm process now. I'd say they are more power efficient than the '3G' chips used in the iPhone 3G in 2008. Meaning, you'll lose a few hours in usage time over '3G' but it will still better than what the iPhone 3G got. Of course, that is all conjecture on my part so take it was a grain of salt.

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I didn't know Taco Bell was a valid source of Apple rumors.

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Now all of you can take a deep breath.

Too much evidence pointing toward 4G. It's bound to be in the iPad 3.

Either that or all the people holding Apple puts are spreading rumors so the stock will drop when Apple doesn't meet them on Wednesday.
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post #11 of 52
Isn't it easy enough for someone with the interest (ie, rumor bloggers) to be looking into 4g radio manufacturers / suppliers for huge recent increase in production / shipment volumes?
Mightn't that lend some greater credence to the rumor?
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Really one of the major LTE chip set providers announced a couple of weeks ago availability of a chip set that would be almost ideal for the iPad. The timing of the announcement should have sent up red flags for anybody following iPad development. Now that doesn't guarantee LTE in the next iPad but it does mean the capability to be in the machine is there.

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Makes sense. I mean, the reason the 4S didn't have 4G is the 4G chips at the time added bulk (werent they separate chips?) and devoured battery. Have the chips gotten better? Regardless, those issues are less important on a tablet with a bigger form factor and better battery life.

Actually battery life is and allays will be an issue. No matter how much they improve the chip set pushing data into free space requires power and the faster the data the more power required.

In any event I'm expecting LTE support in iPad 3. How exactly it is implemented via the carriers is another thing. By this I mean do we pay extra, and do we get the option of being just 3G support.

The other interesting thing here is the mention of quad cores. That could mean CPU's or it could mean GPU's or both. Frankly I suspect GPU's cores will increase as an imperative to drive the retina display, but it would be nice if we also got more CPU cores.

Still with all these rumors there has been no mention of RAM which is critical to making this all work well.
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I'm not too excited for LTE on an iPad.

But that opens the door for an LTE iPhone!!!
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Actually battery life is and allays will be an issue. No matter how much they improve the chip set pushing data into free space requires power and the faster the data the more power required.

In any event I'm expecting LTE support in iPad 3. How exactly it is implemented via the carriers is another thing. By this I mean do we pay extra, and do we get the option of being just 3G support.

The other interesting thing here is the mention of quad cores. That could mean CPU's or it could mean GPU's or both. Frankly I suspect GPU's cores will increase as an imperative to drive the retina display, but it would be nice if we also got more CPU cores.

Still with all these rumors there has been no mention of RAM which is critical to making this all work well.

Yes, battery drain will always be present, but in a device such as the iPad, the drain is less of an impact than in a smaller device such as the iPhone.

Also, for all your love of RAM, RAM also eats battery power. RAM is cheap, and I think Apple's engineers know more about the situation that you. More isn't always better. Remember, the device is built for the benefit of the majority of normal users.
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Really one of the major LTE chip set providers announced a couple of weeks ago availability of a chip set that would be almost ideal for the iPad. The timing of the announcement should have sent up red flags for anybody following iPad development. Now that doesn't guarantee LTE in the next iPad but it does mean the capability to be in the machine is there.



Actually battery life is and allays will be an issue. No matter how much they improve the chip set pushing data into free space requires power and the faster the data the more power required.

In any event I'm expecting LTE support in iPad 3. How exactly it is implemented via the carriers is another thing. By this I mean do we pay extra, and do we get the option of being just 3G support.

The other interesting thing here is the mention of quad cores. That could mean CPU's or it could mean GPU's or both. Frankly I suspect GPU's cores will increase as an imperative to drive the retina display, but it would be nice if we also got more CPU cores.

Still with all these rumors there has been no mention of RAM which is critical to making this all work well.

A few weeks ago was too late, at that time iPad 3s were already being manufactured or do you think they can make several million iPads available overnight?
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I'm not too excited for LTE on an iPad.

But that opens the door for an LTE iPhone!!!

it would make sense that ipad3 includes LTE, though might be in small portion of deployment of ipad3. so apple could pilot testing Qualcomm LTE chipset well before iPhone LTE comes in fall.
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Also, for all your love of RAM, RAM also eats battery power. RAM is cheap, and I think Apple's engineers know more about the situation that you. More isn't always better. Remember, the device is built for the benefit of the majority of normal users.

I can't wait until we start switching to the type of RAM that only powers what the system is using at any given time. Then we can have terabytes of RAM and not worry that it'll suck the battery down to an hour at a time.

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it would make sense that ipad3 includes LTE, though might be in small portion of deployment of ipad3. so apple could pilot testing Qualcomm LTE chipset well before iPhone LTE comes in fall.

Yep... exactly!
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Isn't it easy enough for someone with the interest (ie, rumor bloggers) to be looking into 4g radio manufacturers / suppliers for huge recent increase in production / shipment volumes?
Mightn't that lend some greater credence to the rumor?

Business analysts use appleinsider, macrumors, and ifixit as sources for AAPL.

Besides there is exactly two manufacturers. Broadcom and Qualcomm. Their parts are exactly the same parts that are in competing devices.

What non-tech people forget is that Qualcomm's Gobi chips are used by the iPhone, here's what else does:
http://www.m2msearch.com/devicesearc..._one%5B%5D=LTE

MDM9200 and MDM9600.
http://www.qualcomm.com/media/releas...m-4g-lte-conne
Note that is a November 2011 press release. It first sampled those in November 2009.

So there has been plenty of time to design, test and manufacture devices that can use them. It's not like each device is engineered overnight.

The 9600 has the Verizon/Sprint legacy 2G network, and the 9200 does not. So for European models that don't need to support 2G CDMA, Apple may opt to use the 9200 instead of the 9600.

The current chip is the 6610 in the 4S, the Verizon iPhone 4 had the 6600.

The Droid 4 is using the MDM9600, so that means the chip is available.
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I think I will just buy a Clear Internet device for my new iPad. It's 4G, it's unlimited and it's exactly $50 a month.

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it would make sense that ipad3 includes LTE, though might be in small portion of deployment of ipad3. so apple could pilot testing Qualcomm LTE chipset well before iPhone LTE comes in fall.

I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?

I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.

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Yet another report surfaced on Monday to join the chorus of others who have indicated that Apple plans to add a high-speed 4G LTE wireless radio to its third-generation iPad.

LTE sucks batteries dry.

Hardly nobody can even use it.

LTE makes you exceed data caps in no time flat.




Why would Apple ruin the User Experience with LTE?
post #24 of 52
I will be very surprise if the 4g LTE ipad on both verizon and AT&T will be available at launch. I expect it to come later than the wifi version and IMHO there is still a big chance the ipad 3 is not LTE. I REALLY want LTE but Apple could wait for iphone 5...
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Not interested in anything but the wi-fi model unless the AT&T CEO comes out on stage and announces we can finally start sharing our monthly data block amongst both our iPhone and iPad. If I'm buying 3GB of data per month, I shouldn't have to buy a second block of data for another device.
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I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?

I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.

-kpluck

Difference here being you only need the cellular chips for certain models of the iPad whereas you'd need one in every iPhone.
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Not interested in anything but the wi-fi model unless the AT&T CEO comes out on stage and announces we can finally start sharing our monthly data block amongst both our iPhone and iPad. If I'm buying 3GB of data per month, I shouldn't have to buy a second block of data for another device.

I'm on board with data sharing (as well as rollover data) but I would expect AT&T to charge for that "convenience" with a straight up fee or require a large data package like with a family plan.

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LTE sucks batteries dry.

Hardly nobody can even use it.

LTE makes you exceed data caps in no time flat.




Why would Apple ruin the User Experience with LTE?

How exactly does LTE make one exceed their data cap?
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I'm on board with data sharing (as well as rollover data) but I would expect AT&T to charge for that "convenience" with a straight up fee or require a large data package like with a family plan.

I've read the plan for Verizon and ATT will be along the lines of

Step 1

Buy a block of data say $60 for $50.

Step 2

Each device you want to share this pool will cost roughly $10 a month.

Step 3

There is no step 3
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How exactly does LTE make one exceed their data cap?

You should have ignored that one. It wasn't a serious post.

Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.

LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G
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How exactly does LTE make one exceed their data cap?

Faster load times allow more content to pass through in a smaller amount of time, leaving more time for further content to load.

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A few weeks ago was too late, at that time iPad 3s were already being manufactured or do you think they can make several million iPads available overnight?

Or perhaps the manufacturer made a few million chips for Apple before they announced availability? It has happened before (Intel Xeon chips for one model of Mac Pro).
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I think I will just buy a Clear Internet device for my new iPad. It's 4G, it's unlimited and it's exactly $50 a month.

I already have one at home and I love it!


On previous iPads you only got GPS with the cellular model so if you wanted GPS, you could opt out of the onboard 3G and use a tethered solution like you suggest instead. Not sure if it will be the same situation with 4G if/when we get it, but I have a good feeling that it LTE will arrive with iPad 3. In fact I would be delighted if it came standard since they need to support CDMA and 3G anyway. Just go ahead and make it universal!

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You should have ignored that one. It wasn't a serious post.

Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.

LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G

Oh I know his posts are rarely serious, I wanted to hear his asinine reasoning.
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A few weeks ago was too late, at that time iPad 3s were already being manufactured or do you think they can make several million iPads available overnight?

Depends on what "a few weeks ago" refers to. A design being finalized? Then it could be more than a year before it'll be in devices. Getting production going at full tilt or being able to distribute outside their Apple contract? Then it's possible.


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I guess that could be it. However, to me it seems weird that a LTE iPad would be available in March but Apple would make it customers wait 6 months for a LTE phone?

I am going to go out on a limb and say that if the iPad 3 has LTE (4G, whatever) and is available almost immediately, that a LTE iPhone won't be more than 3 months behind.

The 6 months delay and wanting wanting certain features/tech to be showcasing on the iPhone is one reason I think LTE might not come with the iPad HD.

I don't think an iPhone in 3 months in doable. We haven't even seen iOS 6 with devs getting the SDK so they can have apps ready.

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We haven't even seen iOS 6 with devs getting the SDK so they can have apps ready.

Apple doesn't trust the devs. If there is some kick ass stuff in there they will only test it internally or perhaps with a handful of trusted partners like a few game makers. Remember they didn't give us any Siri testing at all before it was released. Of course we didn't have the hardware but they also stripped it from the SDK and betas.

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I've read the plan for Verizon and ATT will be along the lines of

Step 1

Buy a block of data say $60 for $50.

Step 2

Each device you want to share this pool will cost roughly $10 a month.

Step 3

There is no step 3

I like it but isn't that too simple and straight forward for the telcos? They might get confused by it not being confusing.


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Not only does a 28nm LTE chip have the potential to reduce battery consumption the prevailing thought about faster baseband technologies is that you want data to come down quickly so that the radio can stop transmitting and go back to a low power mode.

LTE, in areas with adequate LTE coverage, can actually save battery life as opposed to 3G

The iPad on '3G' gets 9 hours of data usage. I would expect the 28nm LTE to get about 6-7 hours of data on ''4G'. However, if they are increasing the battery capacity this tech could get some overflow of that gain so LTE could last even longer, right?

PS: I'm still thinking it's less than 50% chance given the focus they like to put on the iPhone and that the display on the iPad could be the biggest focus but it's certainly feasible.

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I'm thinking 80% chance.

28nm means lower power consumption
MDM96xx means wide support in the chip
But last, the new chip is probably the same price or slightly cheaper than the former parts.


At this point it's hard to make a viable argument for not putting LTE in.
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Faster load times allow more content to pass through in a smaller amount of time, leaving more time for further content to load.

But we as humans still have to process that content at our speed, meaning if it takes a book 5 mins to download instead of 15 minutes, its still going to take me the same time to read said book regardless of how fast I was able to download it.
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