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post #41 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:14am
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Show me a link to AAPL at that price? I can only find them up 60c

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post #42 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:16am
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For instance, at one point sound wasn't that big of a deal and a decent sound card was seen as something for gamers only.

I might add though that such technologies have become standard when the cost of including them became nominal. This seems like cutting edge technology. I cannot imagine that the costs are low enough that it could be included in a consumer product priced like the iPad.
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post #43 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:20am
I can conceptualizer (almost said visualize) a texture/haptic feedback UI where touch could include/enable multiple actions -- locate a small UI control, touchover (mouseover)...
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post #44 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:21am
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Felt visual technology?



BREAKING: ALL IPAD 3 GRAPHICS WILL TAKE ON THE APPEARANCE OF CUT OUT PIECES OF FELT!

That made me laugh out loud in a Starbucks! Perfect! So will the new iPad be blue? And I can only imagine the song that plays when you get mail.
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post #45 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:23am
This sounds like a rumor we'll be hearing for the next year or 2, maybe until the ipad 4 or 5.
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post #46 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by xSamplex View Post

A "highly ambitious rumor"?

That is simply embarrassingly bad writing.

Fiend! Are rumours not allowed to be ambitious?

Hath not a Rumour eyes? If you prick it, doth it not bleed? If you tickle it, doth it not laugh? If you poison it, doth it not die? And if you wrong it, doth it not revenge?
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post #47 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:29am
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This sounds like a rumor we'll be hearing for the next year or 2, maybe until the ipad 4 or 5.

I think the gaming possibilities, alone, would easily justify the feature!
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post #48 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:29am
So from the video interview with the company rep, it works by applying an electrostatic field to your finger increasing friction wherever developers want. So if I understand correctly, it could say help finding the home keys while typing without looking, but you wouldn't feel the buttons being pressed or anything like that.
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post #49 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:32am
but you have to touch it to feel it... and then you have already activated the touched area?... How would that work?
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post #50 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:32am
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post #51 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:33am
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but you have to touch it to feel it... and then you have already activated the touched area?... How would that work?

What do you mean? Put your finger on it and you feel the difference in texture.
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That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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post #52 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:34am
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I can see usefulness, especially with the visually impared. say you're trying to find an icon, drag your finger across the screen until you feel a rough spot, then you know your finger is on an icon that you can interact with... tactile feedback or the feeling of "textures" is a natural way of knowing what your finger is touching... its like those little nubs on the 'f' and 'j' keys on the keyboard... you dont have to look down at the keyboard to be able to find home row... the 'f' and 'j' keys on the ipad could be 'rough' to indicate your fingers are on the right keys for instance.

Great handle, ExceptionHandler! I'm not familiar with haptics and Senseg but feel that in time at least, this could be a big deal. I can imagine over the years becoming quite used to the subtle feedback and one day stopping to reminisce that in the past, feel was absent from our glass surfaces.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

It's more likely that Senseg has nothing to do with the iPad and is trying to get free publicity. Just like Proview.

I am not aware of the context for Senseg's comments but I would have thought that if they were not involved with Apple in pursuing the capability, they would surely just say so (must say so).

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I can conceptualizer (almost said visualize) a texture/haptic feedback UI where touch could include/enable multiple actions -- locate a small UI control, touchover (mouseover)...

Lots of room for imagination here Dick!
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post #53 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by tipoo View Post

So from the video interview with the company rep, it works by applying an electrostatic field to your finger increasing friction wherever developers want. So if I understand correctly, it could say help finding the home keys while typing without looking, but you wouldn't feel the buttons being pressed or anything like that.

With haptic feedback, you can get the sensation of a key or button press... There was an app, a while ago, on the iPhone that used the vibrator -- and did a decent job.
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post #54 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:34am
Hmmmm I'm curious, what if they can mimic Braille?

A iPad that the blind can read. You heard it here first.
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post #55 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by plexdk View Post

but you have to touch it to feel it... and then you have already activated the touched area?... How would that work?

Change the UI:

1) touch == locate

2) touch-tap == key press

No one said that multitouch couldn't evolve...
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post #56 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:39am
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but you have to touch it to feel it... and then you have already activated the touched area?... How would that work?

You don't actually have to touch a surface that is radiating a field, however, in this instance one's finger would be close. Perhaps, the system could also be applied in reverse, allowing pressure sensitivity and therefore allow an overt finger press to be detected. Finger proximity feedback (or fpf ).
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post #57 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:41am
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Show me a link to AAPL at that price? I can only find them up 60c

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL

Yahoo! Finance has close to real-time updates (not the charts, but at least the quote).

Anyway, I think haptic is a remote possibility, but not impossible. I won't be disappointed if it doesn't have this, or a quad-core processor for that matter. I'll pull the trigger if it has a Retina Display (guaranteed) and LTE (more likely than not).
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post #58 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Last hours to get your rumors about the new iPad. I would like to start the rumor that it will have a foldable screen, projector, and include an intel chip so it can run Windows 8. Also, it will have a phone and be renamed iPhone XL.

while you are correct that folks will toss in the last rumors I think that this one could be mildly true. As an accessibility tool. A way perhaps to signal when the finger is on a 'live' versus a 'dead' space. But that's probably about it.
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post #59 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:44am
Lots of great applications for this technology. The blind wouldn't have to rely on every element talking back to them on an iOS-based device. Apple could have a completely touchscreen car system that you could use while still paying attention to the road.

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post #60 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:45am
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You don't actually have to touch a surface that is radiating a field, however, in this instance one's finger would be close. Perhaps, the system could also be applied in reverse, allowing pressure sensitivity and therefore allow an overt finger press to be detected. Finger proximity feedback (or fpf ).

I think pressure sensitivity can be approximated by determining a change in the area covered by the touch action... Especially if Apple were to include a more granular digitizer.
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post #61 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:45am
I think there may be a little something to this. It will not be full blown. Like maybe a slight feel when you type.
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post #62 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:46am
iPad porn is about to become a lot more interesting! Touch!
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post #63 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:50am
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In other words: we are not involved with Apple or the iPad but if they announce anything like what we're doing we're going to go after them very publicly and try to get a big settlement. And they would be right to do that considering they are shopping their technology around. Personally though I sort of wonder as to the usefulness of this technology in a product like the iPad. It's neat, sure, but ultimately pretty gimmicky.

I'll admit I haven't thought through the ramifications of this kind of technology, the first thing that comes to mind is touch screen gaming controls wherein a game controller is simulated on the touch screen. This technology would mean your thumbs never lose their place and you'll never have to look down to readjust them while you play on a touch screen.

Frankly, I really like "haptic feedback," however that is defined. Am I in the minority? I enjoy touching display keyboards and getting feedback, and I think I'd enjoy and prefer this kind of touch experience. What if they had a one inch area of the screen on the right or left that you could drag your finger into in order to "flip" through pages in a digital book? Not that you'd need it, but being able to interact without having to look at where my thumb or finger is going...I can interact without having to take my eyes off of what I'm doing. I like it.

I haven't sorted out in my mind whether my thoughts are objective or merely preference. Thoughts?
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post #64 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:52am
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A "highly ambitious rumor"?

That is simply embarrassingly bad writing.

I don't see a problem. I think the adverb highly is a bit much but I don't think it's incorrect.

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post #65 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I think pressure sensitivity can be approximated by determining a change in the area covered by the touch action... Especially if Apple were to include a more granular digitizer.

Yes, it is possible now, however, I wonder whether greater fidelity might result - high-fidelity finger proximity feedback or HFfpf
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post #66 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:56am
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Ok, so it has one use that I won't use.

Man, you have an amazing ability to see negative where there is positive. The name give to this affliction - curmudgeony. Before you diss me for wrong use of the word - it is right. It makes you a curmudgeon.


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Braille on the iPad?

This would be amazing for a lot of people.

Adding sensory feedback is huge (if it works well). Almost magical, imo
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post #67 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by Sol77 View Post

I'll admit I haven't thought through the ramifications of this kind of technology, the first thing that comes to mind is touch screen gaming controls wherein a game controller is simulated on the touch screen. This technology would mean your thumbs never lose their place and you'll never have to look down to readjust them while you play on a touch screen.

Frankly, I really like "haptic feedback," however that is defined. Am I in the minority? I enjoy touching display keyboards and getting feedback, and I think I'd enjoy and prefer this kind of touch experience. What if they had a one inch area of the screen on the right or left that you could drag your finger into in order to "flip" through pages in a digital book? Not that you'd need it, but being able to interact without having to look at where my thumb or finger is going...I can interact without having to take my eyes off of what I'm doing. I like it.

I haven't sorted out in my mind whether my thoughts are objective or merely preference. Thoughts?

Especially multiplayer games that are AirPlayed from the iPad to the AppleTV...

Mmm.... Maybe there is a market for an inexpensive 7-8" iPad HD (Haptic Device)...
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post #68 of 129
3/7/12 at 6:58am
If this is true then I will impulse buy even though I have an iPad 2.
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post #69 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:00am
A curmudgeon I once knew would say, "Pffft, it's just one more new thing that'll stop working the day after the warranty runs out..."
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post #70 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:01am
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If this is true then I will impulse buy even though I have an iPad 2.

Hopefully, even if untrue, you'll find an excuse in there somewhere.

(I have a first gen iPad, use it every day )
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post #71 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:03am
BrailPad

Could this be a device that changes the lives of the visually disabled?
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3/7/12 at 7:03am
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iPad porn is about to become a lot more interesting! Touch!

Just be careful of the money shot lol
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3/7/12 at 7:04am
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BrailPad

Could this be a device that changes the lives of the visually disabled?

Nah brother, I called it first.
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post #74 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by Stourque View Post

And Apple actually sells products.

Google sells products. Their products are avertising space but it's something
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post #75 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by plexdk View Post

but you have to touch it to feel it... and then you have already activated the touched area?... How would that work?

It's not that you need the texture information to decide whether you will touch the area, but rather that the texture gives you tactile confirmation...a more physically immersing experience. On the other hand, having areas of a given App gui that are dedicated to a particular tactile feedback would enable you to slide your fingers to the proper area without actually having to direct them with your eyes...meaning you can keep your eyes on what you're doing. In gaming this would be pretty useful, though I already posted a suggestion about its uses in reading. I think there will probably be many great uses for this.
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post #76 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:11am
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BrailPad

Could this be a device that changes the lives of the visually disabled?

If it can do braille, then yes - truly a game changer.
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post #77 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:11am
Oh man...

Just think of the possibilities -- medical; musician keyboards, fretboards, strings, percussion, valves; DJ Audio Mixers, pressure-resistive sliders; Video Editors could actually "touch the film"....

I sure hope Apple patents the "Diddle To Unlock" gesture
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post #78 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:11am
And the Apple Store has been taken down! So excited!
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post #79 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:14am
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I sure hope Apple patents the "Diddle To Unlock" gesture

To an iPad in therapy: "Show me on this iPod where you were touched."

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post #80 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:15am
Who has live feeds?
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