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post #81 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:16am
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To an iPad in therapy: "Show me on this iPod where you were touched."

Actually, in some cultures/situations this would be valuable!
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post #82 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:21am
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AAPL is up $5 premarket and within $75 of GOOG... Could be a good day!

Apple is already well ahead of google and has npbeen for years and years.
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post #83 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:26am
I heard the new iPad is going to have a special tin-foil backing that will allow you to get text messages from the alien moon-base.
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post #84 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:30am
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I don't see a problem. I think the adverb highly is a bit much but I don't think it's incorrect.

A rumour cannot properly be "ambitious."
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post #85 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:32am
If this rumor turned out to be true, then I can see Android tablets coming out with something similar, but vastly inferior in 6 months time.

Pathetic Fandroids all over the net will proceed to claim that this feature is so obvious and it's only natural that everybody eventually include it, just like a rectangle or a square.

The rumor would make sense based on the wording of Apple's invitation. The super new hi-res screen is to see and the new touch surface is to touch.
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post #86 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:34am
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A rumour cannot properly be "ambitious."

Not if you keep hurting its self esteem. But seriously, I think it's fine for a news article. Nothing wrong with some colourful word play. I don't think the meaning was unclear and that's the important measure in all communication.

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post #87 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:34am
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This sounds like a rumor we'll be hearing for the next year or 2, maybe until the ipad 4 or 5.

Yes. Unless it's actually true and happens today, people will be dragging this thing up every time a new iOS product comes out.

Personally, I think this technique would have to border on miraculous to even be of interest to me. I am skeptical that it's even possible at this point. It would have to have ridiculous fidelity and speed to be truly useful.

Here's hoping if they do include it, that it isn't just a gimmick like 3D or something. Once Apple goes down that route it's really the beginning of the end.
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post #88 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:35am
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Apple is already well ahead of google and has npbeen for years and years.

You got that right.
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post #89 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Last hours to get your rumors about the new iPad. I would like to start the rumor that it will have a foldable screen, projector, and include an intel chip so it can run Windows 8. Also, it will have a phone and be renamed iPhone XL.

Don't be silly...it'll be iPhone HD XL. You aren't keeping up on the rumors!

I wonder just how precise/sensitive such a technology could be. Braille might be a bit much to ask for. But it could be used to simulate the "click" of a real button, in place of the audible "tick,tick" sound it makes now as you are typing on the onscreen keyboard. It could allow you to not have to lift your finger completely off the screen as you move between keys, and though the tactile feedback you'd learn just how "hard" you have to press for the keystroke to register. (it'd have to have a pretty fast response time for this)

It could also be used for games where you have to pick up an object or move a widget into a bin, etc. Instead of a visible highlight on the screen to let you know when you crossed a boundry (ie, you are over the item/bin), it could be physical feedback.

Or how about being able to feel where the onscreen playback controls are so you can control your music without looking at the screen.

I'd be surprised if it could be used for precise controls, but something like the ridges you feel on a old-school iPod's click-wheel to know where you are on the controls should be possible.
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post #90 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:38am
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If this rumor turned out to be true, then I can see Android tablets coming out with something similar, but vastly inferior in 6 months time.

Pathetic Fandroids all over the net will proceed to claim that this feature is so obvious and it's only natural that everybody eventually include it, just like a rectangle or a square.

The rumor would make sense based on the wording of Apple's invitation. The super new hi-res screen is to see and the new touch surface is to touch.

You did know this technology has been available for some time now, and the maker has showed it numerous times and were talking to parties to get it included on an actual product.

So it's a general technology, available to everyone (until a company pays for an exclusive license).
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post #91 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Not if you can't hurting its self esteem. But seriously, I think it's fine for a news article. Nothing wrong with some colourful word play.

I didn't even notice it when I read the article.

I think they were trying to capture the "out on a limb" kind of guesswork of the original source where the fellow explicitly says that he is making a sort of wild guess about the technology being included. *He* was being ambitious.
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post #92 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

A rumour cannot properly be "ambitious."

Sure, but technically speaking a hope can't be "high," nor a pattern on a sports jacket "loud," yet the combining of incommensurate words is often precisely what adds depth to a description. It's an unusual pairing of adjective and noun, but that doesn't make it incorrect. More, if I said, "his jacket was...ambitious," and you saw that the pattern on it was pink plaid with patches of bag pipes and hello kitty, you probably wouldn't quibble with the grammar. Jacket's can't be ambitious, but the statement is more meaningful precisely for how the combination makes your mind stretch. Exaggeration and humor are two aspects of language that make use of incommensurate concepts.

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post #93 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by mausz View Post

You did know this technology has been available for some time now, and the maker has showed it numerous times and were talking to parties to get it included on an actual product.

So it's a general technology, available to everyone (until a company pays for an exclusive license).

Yes, I do know that a third party is behind it and not Apple, but if Apple were to use it then you can be sure that Apple would demand some kind of exclusive deal, barring anybody else from using the same exact thing.
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post #94 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:42am
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Sure, but technically speaking a hope can't be "high," nor a pattern on a sports jacket "loud," yet the combining of incommensurate words is often precisely what adds depth to a description. It's an unusual pairing of adjective and noun, but that doesn't make it incorrect.

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Ahhh... What about " hot pants" .
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post #95 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I didn't even notice it when I read the article.

I think they were trying to capture the "out on a limb" kind of guesswork of the original source where the fellow explicitly says that he is making a sort of wild guess about the technology being included. *He* was being ambitious.

I don't mean to bad mouth you but you're breaking my heart. (No coffee yet so that sentence is a lot less elaborate than I think I could otherwise muster).

I'm not sure about other languages but English has a lot of idioms that make no sense when you dissect their parts, but are perfectly understood and, in fact, reinforce meanings because they are so well understood. True, the term used is not an idiom but all forms of expression have to start somewhere.

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post #96 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:49am
I want to be able to "touch" a refreshed Mac Pro.
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post #97 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:49am
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Ahhh... What about " hot pants" .

Who's wearing them?
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post #98 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by mausz View Post

You did know this technology has been available for some time now, and the maker has showed it numerous times and were talking to parties to get it included on an actual product.

So it's a general technology, available to everyone (until a company pays for an exclusive license).

But if true it will still be a case of Apple leading getting this into the mainstream and everyone else following while bleating about how obvious it was and that they're not copying Apple. Again.
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post #99 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I don't mean to bad mouth you but you're breaking my heart. (No coffee yet so that sentence is a lot less elaborate than I think I could otherwise muster).

I'm not sure about other languages but English has a lot of idioms that make no sense when you dissect their parts, but are perfectly understood and, in fact, reinforce meanings because they are so well understood. True, the term used is not an idiom but all forms of expression have to start somewhere.

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post #100 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Yes. Unless it's actually true and happens today, people will be dragging this thing up every time a new iOS product comes out.

Personally, I think this technique would have to border on miraculous to even be of interest to me. I am skeptical that it's even possible at this point. It would have to have ridiculous fidelity and speed to be truly useful.

Here's hoping if they do include it, that it isn't just a gimmick like 3D or something. Once Apple goes down that route it's really the beginning of the end.

If it works and shows up, it sounds really cool. You rarely would be dragging your finger over the edge of a button on iOS, so raised buttons don't sound meaningful at least from how it's described, but more interactive applications would benefit.
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post #101 of 129
3/7/12 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Personally, I think this technique would have to border on miraculous to even be of interest to me. I am skeptical that it's even possible at this point. It would have to have ridiculous fidelity and speed to be truly useful.

Here's hoping if they do include it, that it isn't just a gimmick like 3D or something. Once Apple goes down that route it's really the beginning of the end.

If it works well I am not sure 'truly useful' matters. It may just be that living without it will be unthinkable once you are used to it. If it makes your Interactions with your iPad more intimate, for lack of a better word, it may be another game changer.
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post #102 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:01am
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I don't mean to bad mouth you but you're breaking my heart. (No coffee yet so that sentence is a lot less elaborate than I think I could otherwise muster).

I'm not sure about other languages but English has a lot of idioms that make no sense when you dissect their parts, but are perfectly understood and, in fact, reinforce meanings because they are so well understood. True, the term used is not an idiom but all forms of expression have to start somewhere.

Well I think the mountain was made out of this molehill several posts ago, but I would argue back that this is a factual report not prose and that the intention of the author didn't seem idiomatic to me.

We also have a long history of absolutely atrocious grammar and writing from AppleInsider to consider. If someone makes a thousand mistakes a day, is it right to assume that the thousandth and first one is simply an idiom in the making?

I think you are being overly kind to the writers, but as I said, I don't really care about it too much one way or the other. I was merely responding to your original assertion that there was nothing wrong with the sentence mentioned.
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post #103 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:04am
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You did know this technology has been available for some time now, and the maker has showed it numerous times and were talking to parties to get it included on an actual product.

So it's a general technology, available to everyone (until a company pays for an exclusive license).

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But if true it will still be a case of Apple leading getting this into the mainstream and everyone else following while bleating about how obvious it was and that they're not copying Apple. Again.

When you think about it... Other than Apple, likely, only MS could carry this off -- with devices manufactured to a required spec that is exploited by the OS...

I don't think Google has enough weight to dictate hardware, and then exploit it.

Quoting Alan Kay: "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."
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post #104 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:09am
I doubt it is true but as long as I can turn it off it doesn't matter one way or the other to me. Seems completely useless though because it would appear to interfere with the traditional iOS method of using the touch interface.

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post #105 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

We also have a long history of absolutely atrocious grammar and writing from AppleInsider to consider. If someone makes a thousand mistakes a day, is it right to assume that the thousandth and first one is simply an idiom in the making?

This is technically news so creative writing is not only allowed but oft expected.

As for the quality of AI writing there is an unfortunate deadline with web-based tech news but I'd like see more proofreading. Hell, I'd like to hire a proofreader for my comments on AI. Of all the spelling and structure issues that we read I think this one far and away the least offensive or confusing.

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post #106 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:14am
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post #107 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:16am
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I doubt it is true but as long as I can turn it off it doesn't matter one way or the other to me. Seems completely useless though because it would appear to interfere with the traditional iOS method of using the touch interface.

It doesn't need to be all or nothing...

Initially, it could only be activated when the virtual kbs are displayed -- and only for that area of the display.

Later, the OS UI could evolve to incorporate touch gestures with this additional dimension -- feel.
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post #108 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:24am
I hate to rain on this, but my hopes are low. Sensegs statements to CNet 3 months ago make it seem like this is being aimed at multiple vendors and could be up to 24 months (now 21) from the market.

I dont see how that jibes with delivery today: if Apple had a hand in Sensegs video spot on CNet, then they would have simply not allowed the spot at all! Senseg would have gone dark. And if Apple did NOT have a hand in it, then why wasnt Senseg confident of delivery in less than 12 months? This cant have been finalized more recently than 3 months ago, if its shipping by the thousands this month! Can it? Seems like a long shot.

I bet Apple HAS shown some interest at least. Maybe its not ready yet, maybe it never will be... but maybe its coming from Apple! I just dont think today.

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post #109 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:24am
Every PR firm in the country should be releasing press releases right now (or better yet a few days ago) saying "We won't have any announcement until after the Apple event." Would that be considered stock manipulation since even if you have nothing to announce it's a true statement?
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3/7/12 at 8:28am
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I doubt it is true but as long as I can turn it off it doesn't matter one way or the other to me. Seems completely useless though because it would appear to interfere with the traditional iOS method of using the touch interface.

What is the power cost of this technology? If it lowers battery life by any measurable percentage then there'd have to be a pretty compelling reason to include it. And if people are just going to turn it off to save battery life, then what's the point of including it?

It does have the sound of one of those "what would I ever use that for?" technologies that once you have it (and it is implemented well) you think, "How did I live without this?".

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3/7/12 at 8:31am
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What is the power cost of this technology? If it lowers battery life by any measurable percentage then there'd have to be a pretty compelling reason to include it. And if people are just going to turn it off to save battery life, then what's the point of including it?

It does have the sound of one of those "what would I ever use that for?" technologies that once you have it (and it is implemented well) you think, "How did I live without this?".

- Jasen.

It has a 5% impact on battery life when always on.

However in normal use it is only on when there is a touch being registered.
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post #112 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:34am
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=139

I am puzzled by why this would come as a surprise to anybody.
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3/7/12 at 8:41am
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I am puzzled by why this would come as a surprise to anybody.

I'm puzzled why you never mind. Of course it's a surprise. The tech was stated by its creator to be multiple years out. We'll just have to see.
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post #114 of 129
3/7/12 at 8:43am
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BrailPad

Could this be a device that changes the lives of the visually disabled?

That was one of the first things I thought of when I read the article. If it would allow for Braille, that would provide an alternative to a screen reader for the blind. It would also give an option to those who are both blind and deaf.


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Who has live feeds?

If you mean of the announcement, AI, Arstechnica and Engadget for sure. Engadget always gives me the least trouble so I've had it up and read for about 3 hrs now. If you mean stock prices, I can't help you
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3/7/12 at 8:53am
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I am puzzled by why this would come as a surprise to anybody.

Oh, that was YOU that started that rumour? Man, YOU are clever.

This is not a vibration feedback system, of course. And its not as if it hasn't been discussed before, such as when the iPhone first launched and everybody was dissing the glass surface. \
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3/7/12 at 8:56am
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What is the power cost of this technology? If it lowers battery life by any measurable percentage then there'd have to be a pretty compelling reason to include it. And if people are just going to turn it off to save battery life, then what's the point of including it?

It does have the sound of one of those "what would I ever use that for?" technologies that once you have it (and it is implemented well) you think, "How did I live without this?".

- Jasen.

To be practical it has to be low-power... It appears to be electrostatic so, possibly, an initial charge could be maintained with a periodic refresh.

But, just think about visiting a shopping site and being able run your hands across a wooden surface or feel the texture of a fabric, leather or skin...

Think of a 3D app where you push gelatinous blobs of finger paint around the screen...

If it is hardware -- with not, yet, fully baked software... they could limit it to a virtual kb option -- and release it as a beta ala Siri...

I'm certain that Apple would only do this if it has some exclusive agreement for the technology.
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post #117 of 129
3/7/12 at 9:04am
Man, the obsession with the author's use of the word "ambitious" cracks me up. I imagine reading Mark Twain would # you up really good. Notice that virtually all language about the mind is metaphorical and composed of incommensurate adjectives and nouns: (I pictured in my head, I visualized, my mind is clear, I can't "handle" your point of view, that person isn't very "bright,"...metaphor is a crucial and routine facet of language). This isn't "creativity" or "wit." It's just normal use of language. That you're not used to it says more about your experience with language than it does about the aptitude of the author....and that you might be reading proportionally way too much literal, dry tech writing.
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3/7/12 at 9:10am
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Here's hoping if they do include it, that it isn't just a gimmick like 3D or something. Once Apple goes down that route it's really the beginning of the end.

Nice little anti-3D poison pill you've embedded there, and "beginning of the end" is a bit too shrieky for me to ignore.

If Apple does do a glasses-free 3D display, it will be switchable to 2D so people without good binocular visionor people maybe like yourself with an abhorrance of stereo vision's extra weight of stimuluscan use the device as if it were old-fashioned flat picture. Or, they will make both a 2D and a separate 3D device, and charge more for the latter. Or something like this. It would not be done without the deliberation of many minds, including Steve Jobs's Pixar-focused mind, and Jony Ive's fully engaged senses. It won't be the beginning of the end, except maybe for . . . those who want the pictorial world to remain flat.

Also, Apple may skip the 3D screen altogether and just come out with their patented stereo video glasses. Those you wouldn't have to buy or even look into.
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3/7/12 at 9:25am
This is a wild guess but what if Apple found a way to convert text on the new iPad's screen into braille so blind people can use it too. Blind people have very good touch sensitivity and could sense the smallest of differences. Now that would be historic.

Edit: I see a few others beat me to this idea.
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3/7/12 at 9:34am
I'm now thinking there might be something to this. This rumor is all over the tech blogs. The last time something like this happened was when a late rumor saying the iPhone 4S would be an LTE device burned up the blogs just before that announcement. There seemed to be specific leaks to trusted writers before the keynote to slap that down.

This morning? Radio silence.
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