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I guess the iPad name will now forever be "the new iPad". Year after year, the processor will improve, as well as the storage capacity, but the product is now finalized. It will be a Killer ...
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They did mention that the new iPad has more memory than either the PS3 or Xbox 360. Each of those has 512MB so it's possible to say this has 1GB in it.

I don't think Apple ever commented on the RAM. There was a developer who claimed it had 1GB, but not Apple themselves. The "twice as much RAM as the XBox" quote you may be remembering did not come from Apple.
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I predicated my supposition on the SoC and the display having the same power draw as the ones in the iPad 2.

It may be that the A5x or the display draws a lot more power, but I'm thinking not. The big power draw on the display will be the backlight, and I'm thinking they are fairly similar. In addition, if these are IGZO displays, it should be a quite efficient display. IGZO has 30% better electron mobility than amorphous silicon. The A5x should also be about the same power as the A5 as I don't think Apple would put in a bigger heat source in the package.

On the other hand, LTE chipsets are known to draw about 2x the power of comparative HSPA/CDMA chipsets. So, yeah, going with LTE being the big power drain is a pretty safe assumption now.



If the WiFi battery performance testing proves to be 10 hours, then it'll be the A5x or the display. Wait and see.

The backlight, the needed GPU boost, etc. are all part of things this new display needs to work. Since the WiFI model still gets 10 hours of usage with a 42.5 Whr battery you can safely say the display path is responsible... not LTE. I don't even know how one can say that LTE is responsible for the extra battery use on the WiFI-only iPad!!!!

Let me come at this a different way. Look ONLY at the WiFi iPads: 10 hours 25Whr battery v 10 hours 42.5 Whr battery. No cellular HW in either of them!

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Well then buy one of the OTHER iPad choices with the BIGGER storage options?

Yea but what if you can't afford the larger capacity model, adding a miniSD card is the best option I think. Apple you suck for not doing this.
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Basically making total data backups a complete nightmare. I run a 3 line script on my Asus Slider that basicly tars up my home directory, gzips it, ftps into a directory on my server pushes the file, and then closes the connection. All ran from a cron that goes off 3 times a week.

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I guess the iPad name will now forever be "the new iPad". Year after year, the processor will improve, as well as the storage capacity, but the product is now finalized. It will be a Killer ...

Like MacBook Pro with a date signifier "early 2011", "Late 2011".
post #247 of 442
Correct, it was the guy from Epic Games doing the demonstration on-stage... the Infinity Blade Dungeons. "It has more memory than either the PS3 or Xbox 360"
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I guess the iPad name will now forever be "the new iPad". Year after year, the processor will improve, as well as the storage capacity, but the product is now finalized. It will be a Killer ...

I have a friend who was at the event and she said that a number of people said it was 512mb. If it was more it would have been announced.
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Correct, it was the guy from Epic Games doing the demonstration on-stage... the Infinity Blade Dungeons. "It has more memory than either the PS3 or Xbox 360"

Then PS3 only has 256 right? Oh and the Xbox does have 512mb doesn't it.
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I have a friend who was at the event and she said that a number of people said it was 512mb. If it was more it would have been announced.

The same thing happened last year when the iPad 2 came out, wrong information was said. We won't know until Anandtech takes it apart, then we'll know for sure. As a reminder Apple didn't announce the iPad 2 went to 512MB either. All we have is the guy from Epic Games saying the new iPad has more memory than either the PS3 or Xbox 360 (both being 512MB)
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I thought Apple didnt need to boast about specifications to sell its products against companies who use Android?

I thought the usability is what is going to sell their products?

Why is Apple boasting about...... specifications?

My only gripe was when they compared it to the Xbox. I thought it was dumb and way out of left field. If Apple thinks the iPad is even in the same league as Xbox or PS3 when it comes to gaming they are kidding themselves. It is a completely different market. No one ever said, "Gee, I guess I won't get Xbox. I'll get an iPad instead!" If they did, they're not a gamer. Their comment that gamers prefer the iPad is laughable. Maybe casual gamers, not true gamers. So comparing it to the Wii would have been fitting, and more appropriate since Nintendo has been far more harsh toward iOS than Microsoft (MS has even made an iOS game for crying outloud).

I love my iPad but I love my Xbox as well. Apple needs to stop pretending they are a hardcore gaming company. The new iPad is an incredible device, but it isn't the be all end all device that makes you throw away every other electronic device you own.

The Xbox comment was either marketing run amuck or Apple kidding themselves. Not sure which.
post #252 of 442
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Then PS3 only has 256 right? Oh and the Xbox does have 512mb doesn't it.

The PS3 has it's memory split up into 256MB for the system and 256MB for the GPU while the Xbox 360 has it's memory in a pool of 512MB to share.
post #253 of 442
Underwhelming! I will wait for a tablet with windows 8 and those specs!!
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What you can do is compare the iPad 3 on LTE to the iPad 3 on 3G. Same screen, same battery, same processor. Running on 3G, you get 10 hours. Running on LTE, you get 9.

Who said this?

The only thing we know is 10 hours of web browsing, watching video or listening to music on WiFi, and, 9 hours of web browsing on cellular, which we presume is LTE. Nobody has quoted a 2012 iPad battery performance number while on HSPA.

Obviously the "listening to music" thing is quite the lowball unless a visualizer was running at the same time instead of the screen being off.

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Sounds to me like LTE is not killing battery life as the two of you keep asserting.

It's got a 42 WHr battery. The 2011 iPad has a 25 WHr battery. We can agree that the 2012 iPad is drawing 1.7x more power while using Apple's battery performance benchmark. Some are saying it is LTE. Some are saying it is the display. Maybe some are saying it is the A5x. You can take you pick on what is drawing that much more power. Maybe it is all three.

By far the safest bet on what is causing the need for a 42 WHr battery is LTE.
post #255 of 442
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Yeah... try explaining that to grandpa or mom...

Gosh I hate that excuse, but let's forget about the computer illiterate for right now I'm wondering about corporations and power users. Look Apple even said it themselves that the iPad is out selling their computers and even PCs so why not make it more powerful then a OS that only belongs on a phone.

Yes, yes people are buying them by the butt loads regardless of how neutered the OS is. However until iOS is more like OSX I will just use my iPad2 as it was intended, a toy for media consumption and will continue using my Asus Slider with Android 4.03 for work.
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post #256 of 442
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I thought Apple didnt need to boast about specifications to sell its products against companies who use Android?

I thought the usability is what is going to sell their products?

Why is Apple boasting about...... specifications?

Uh . . . Apple is going to talk about the new features of their product. Which also happens to include a spec bump.

But yes, you're essentially correct: Apple's is the most usable tablet on the market.
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Apple reports returns in their investor reports? Where?

Apple says that in most instances shipped equals sold as far as they're concerned, but you already knew that.

1) Apple reports "Net" Sales. You are welcome to figure out what that means.

2) Where does "....Apple say in most instances shipped equals sold"? Care to provide a cite/link?
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The same thing happened last year when the iPad 2 came out, wrong information was said. We won't know until Anandtech takes it apart, then we'll know for sure. As a reminder Apple didn't announce the iPad 2 went to 512MB either. All we have is the guy from Epic Games saying the new iPad has more memory than either the PS3 or Xbox 360 (both being 512MB)


Yea your right, and we should also find out how fast the cpu is clocked at the same time or do you already know that.
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Underwhelming! I will wait for a tablet with windows 8 and those specs!!

Biz if you continued to Troll you WILL get a timeout. Throttle back the Trolling. It's ok to be a dissenting opinion if you can articulate your posting but a mere "underwhelming" is trolling. Cheers.
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Yea your right, and we should also find out how fast the cpu is clocked at the same time or do you already know that.

I don't think anyone will know more factual information until next week when someone can do a teardown and run a few tests. From now until then everything will be speculation.
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Biz if you continued to Troll you WILL get a timeout. Throttle back the Trolling. It's ok to be a dissenting opinion if you can articulate your posting but a mere "underwhelming" is trolling. Cheers.

If I had made multiple posts then it might be trolling. I have used the beta of 8 and think it is better. Just the usual heavy hands of apple fanboys that cannot take dissension I will move along rather than point out the disappointments as I will be attacked.
post #262 of 442
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Who said this?

The only thing we know is 10 hours of web browsing, watching video or listening to music on WiFi, and, 9 hours of web browsing on cellular, which we presume is LTE. Nobody has quoted a 2012 iPad battery performance number while on HSPA.

Obviously the "listening to music" thing is quite the lowball unless a visualizer was running at the same time instead of the screen being off.

That makes my point even stronger. If it's 10 hours when not using the radio and 9 hours when using LTE, then LTE clearly can't be all that much worse than 3G.

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It's got a 42 WHr battery. The 2011 iPad has a 25 WHr battery. We can agree that the 2012 iPad is drawing 1.7x more power while using Apple's battery performance benchmark. Some are saying it is LTE. Some are saying it is the display. Maybe some are saying it is the A5x. You can take you pick on what is drawing that much more power. Maybe it is all three.

By far the safest bet on what is causing the need for a 42 WHr battery is LTE.

Then explain how they get 10 hours when not using LTE and 9 hours when using LTE? Obviously, LTE can't be the cause for them needing 70% more battery power.

Try to think about it logically. Let's say that the 3G radio uses zero power at all (obviously not real, but it's the worst case). If the iPad 3 gets 10 hours without LTE and 9 hours with LTE, then LTE can't be more than 10% of the total power budget. That would mean that the majority of that 70% increase in battery size is due to the display and the CPU.
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post #263 of 442
So.... it's iPad 2s. Still dual-core, probably still 512 MB RAM.

I believe now it will be safe to presume no quad-core inside the next iPhone.

It feels like Apple run out of battery behind it's innovation engine.
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1) Apple reports "Net" Sales. You are welcome to figure out what that means.

2) Where does "....Apple say in most instances shipped equals sold"? Care to provide a cite/link?

I agree. I've never heard Apple say anything but "sold". They leave the much more spineless "shipped" for other manufacturers that aren't as proud of their actual sales numbers.
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If I had made multiple posts then it might be trolling.

Multiple posts would be spamming. Trolling is ANY post that exists for the purpose of being inflammatory or contradictory for contradiction's sake.

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Just the usual heavy hands of apple fanboys

We don't use that term here.

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that cannot take dissension I will move along rather than point out the disappointments as I will be attacked.

It's not that we can't take it, it's that you're completely wrong and would do well to stop the nonsense. You're being snickered at, not taken seriously.

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So.... it's iPad 2s. Still dual-core, probably still 512 MB RAM.

Most likely 1GB. Need it for the display.

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I believe now it will be safe to presume no quad-core inside the next iPhone.

I sure hope it's dual-core and not quad-core because I want a faster system that uses less battery, not a slower system that uses more battery.

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It feels like Apple run out of battery behind it's innovation engine.

They stuck in 3.1 million pixel into a 9.7" display with 10 hours of battery life. They aren't innovating at all¡

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Who said this?

The only thing we know is 10 hours of web browsing, watching video or listening to music on WiFi, and, 9 hours of web browsing on cellular, which we presume is LTE. Nobody has quoted a 2012 iPad battery performance number while on HSPA.

Obviously the "listening to music" thing is quite the lowball unless a visualizer was running at the same time instead of the screen being off.

It's got a 42 WHr battery. The 2011 iPad has a 25 WHr battery. We can agree that the 2012 iPad is drawing 1.7x more power while using Apple's battery performance benchmark. Some are saying it is LTE. Some are saying it is the display. Maybe some are saying it is the A5x. You can take you pick on what is drawing that much more power. Maybe it is all three.

By far the safest bet on what is causing the need for a 42 WHr battery is LTE.

Seriously, Dude, get your grey matter working. It's 10 hours without any cellular chips installed, much less used... yet only 1 hour less, same as with the previous iPad, for using cellular connectivity. That points to something they have in common across both model types. Possibly something to do with the 2048x1536 display? That's crazy talk¡

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So.... it's iPad 2s. Still dual-core, probably still 512 MB RAM.

I believe now it will be safe to presume no quad-core inside the next iPhone.

It feels like Apple run out of battery behind it's innovation engine.

It's still the fastest Arm tablet on the market regardless if it doesn't have a quad core. I think people get to overwhelmed with all this tech hype. Let's face it do you really understand the differences between the technologies that goes into making one of these chips. No you most likely do not, you look down on your hand and you see 4 fingers is more then 2 fingers and then you assume more is better. The new TI S4 dual core cpu has been getting consistently better benchmarks then the Nvidia Tegra3 with a quad core. These two chips have been released and are on the market go look for yourself.

Apples new iPad 3 is the most state of the art tablet ever produced.
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Then explain how they get 10 hours when not using LTE and 9 hours when using LTE? Obviously, LTE can't be the cause for them needing 70% more battery power.

Like I said earlier, Apple could be lowballing the WiFi benchmark. 10 hrs appears to be one of those magic numbers to Apple, and they may not want to over advertise the number (ie, quote a 15 hr number) to protect their future products.

And like I said earlier, if the WiF battery performance testing shows it is indeed 10 hours, than Apple is using an LTE radio with the same power draw as HSPA radios today and it is either the A5x or the display causing the increased power draw.

I however am skeptical about this. It seems like a very poor design choice to use a display or a SoC that is almost 2x the power draw.
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It feels like Apple run out of battery behind it's innovation engine.

Really!? Because of RAM?

The phrase "innovation engine" must mean something else where you live.
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If I had made multiple posts then it might be trolling. I have used the beta of 8 and think it is better. Just the usual heavy hands of apple fanboys that cannot take dissension I will move along rather than point out the disappointments as I will be attacked.

Oh man Windows 8 is all over the place, talk about having a multi personality disorder. It wouldn't be so awful if they would have chosen one desktop but now you have two and you bounce back and forth so much I get a a headache just thinking about working in that environment. I say good luck with your new choice of tablet OS and don't forget to buy lots of aspiran because you are going to need it.

Start in Metro, launch Google Chrome -> Classic, check emails -> Metro, play Modern Warfare 3 -> Classic, instant messaging -> Metro. Back and forth, back and forth, blaaaghgblaaahghg, oh excuse me I need to brush my teeth.
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1) Apple reports "Net" Sales. You are welcome to figure out what that means.

2) Where does "....Apple say in most instances shipped equals sold"? Care to provide a cite/link?

Aren't you an Apple shareholder? Did you ever look at the 10-K?

“(Apple) recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable, and collection is probable. Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title and risk of loss have been transferred. For most of (Apple)’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped."
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I also for some reason thought we would see them do something like a touch screen bezel with dynamic buttons.

Ok so as soon as you indicate dynamic buttons, they are just a boarder on the screen itself, why would anyone want to waste pixel real estate for a dedicated button space. I have the Nexus Prime and the buttons are dynamic but they are just a dedicated part of the screen , really , why waste the space that an application could have taken advantage of otherwise.
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It's still the fastest Arm tablet on the market regardless if it doesn't have a quad core. I think people get to overwhelmed with all this tech hype. Let's face it do you really understand the differences between the technologies that goes into making one of these chips. No you most likely do not, you look down on your hand and you see 4 fingers is more then 2 fingers and then you assume more is better. The new TI S4 dual core cpu has been getting consistently better benchmarks then the Nvidia Tegra3 with a quad core. These two chips have been released and are on the market go look for yourself.

Apples new iPad 3 is the most state of the art tablet ever produced.

Krait cpu the a5x is not.

Imagine a quad core krait cpu. Wait that's S4 Pro.
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Really!? Because of RAM?

The phrase "innovation engine" must mean something else where you live.

Sounds like something you would find on the floor of Willy Wonkas factory.
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Underwhelming! I will wait for a tablet with windows 8 and those specs!!

...Until the twelfth of Never... And that's a long, long time...
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Krait cpu the a5x is not.

Imagine a quad core krait cpu. Wait that's S4 Pro.

I was comparing the S4 to Nvidia Tegra3 not Apples A5x, please read my post again.
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and then you assume

Please stop assuming for other people. It looks really silly.

anantksundaram, I live in London, so probably you're right, and it does mean something else.
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Please stop assuming for other people. It looks really silly.

anantksundaram, I live in London, so probably you're right, and it does mean something else.

I assume that my assumptions are better at assuming.
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The New iPad.

Stunning.

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