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Did they just show a bezel gesture ? So finally the bezel is touch-enabled ?
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The only surprise to me is the lack of Siri, especially since it does includes dictation, it feels intentional.

Of course it is. Not all iPads have perpetual Internet access. They can't give Siri to half of the models.

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Did they just show a bezel gesture ? So finally the bezel is touch-enabled ?

I seriously doubt that. The guy swiped in from the side. You can start on the bezel and do that now.

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They are emphasizing the microphone, but never said or showed a sign for Siri (based on the Engadget stream).

The 4 cores should be enough to do the Speech to Text natively. A huge plus for the iPad for writers.

the 4 cores are for the GPU not CPU, which wouldn't have a bearing on Speech to text.
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post #44 of 442
I hope that these new gestures in iPhoto for iPad is not the reference to the 'and touch' invitation. I was expecting more. Apart from this, the new iPad is a win for Apple for sure.

There's still a confusion about the name of the device either it's 3 or HD.
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They are emphasizing the microphone, but never said or showed a sign for Siri (based on the Engadget stream).

The 4 cores should be enough to do the Speech to Text natively. A huge plus for the iPad for writers.

I don't think processing is the issue. To do dictation I'd think you'd need something good like Dragon. Perhaps erroneously I thought Dragon wasn't feasible to be installed on a handheld.

I certainly hope it's local, as TS point out, not every iPad is connected to the internet, like a phone would be.

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I seriously doubt that. The guy swiped in from the side. You can start on the bezel and do that now.

Ok, still hope so, I've used it on a playbook and have seen it on the win8 arm tablets, and it does give new options for interaction with applications.
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I'm really curious... what the fuck were you expecting?

lower price, lighter in weight, longer battery life, bigger screen, 3D, 8mp camera minimum, hd facetime, maybe an ipad mini *7 inch.

I also for some reason thought we would see them do something like a touch screen bezel with dynamic buttons.

Maybe ipad 4
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Of course it is. Not all iPads have perpetual Internet access. They can't give Siri to half of the models.

Kind of lame excuse. All iPads have internet access and most of them all of the time with wifi. You might as well say iCloud is a waste too.
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lower price, lighter in weight, longer battery life, bigger screen, 3D, 8mp camera minimum, hd facetime, maybe an ipad mini *7 inch.

I also for some reason thought we would see them do something like a touch screen bezel with dynamic buttons.

Maybe ipad 4

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Are you having a laugh?

no I'm serious. Given where other tablets are, I thought Apple would raise the bar that high, but it's all good because the ipad 3 is still a great tablet. I guess I just revealed how highly I actually think of Apple.
post #51 of 442
As I predicted when iPad was announced Apple is making incremental, but useful updates to the platform. They are the most focused and diciplined company on the planet. Adding 4G is probably most useful to corporations, while Consumers will benefit most from the higher resolution display and graphics. Good job Apple. Your competitors are still trying to catch up with the iPad 2 and you've set the bar even higher. This will be another HUGE seller for Apple!
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Okay now Phil's back on stage. Time for 'one more thing'.
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no I'm serious. Given where other tablets are, I thought Apple would raise the bar that high, but it's all good because the ipad 3 is still a great tablet. I guess I just revealed how highly I actually think of Apple.

No, you've revealed how outlandish your predictions are.

The week before the first iPad launch, people were screaming for full OS X, a touch-sensitive back, solar charging, and all sorts of nonsense.

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This will be another HUGE seller for Apple!

But will they sell more tablets than they would have if they had kept the ipad2 and not introduced a new model (a new model with I should expect a lower margin).

we still have to wait for the 'one more thing', probably the ipad2 8gb at $100 less...
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no I'm serious. Given where other tablets are, I thought Apple would raise the bar that high, but it's all good because the ipad 3 is still a great tablet. I guess I just revealed how highly I actually think of Apple.

Apple goes after at least 80% of the people, giving them an enjoyable unified experience. I saw nothing on your list that makes the new iPad any more compelling.
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Remember, that's twice the resolution, four times the pixels. Say it with me now!

Resolution can be measured or expressed either linearly (one dimension) or by area (two dimensions).

In other words, it is correct to say that the resolution has doubled or that the resolution has quadrupled. It may make our geek heads hurt because language can be ambiguous, but that's just the way it is.
post #57 of 442
sweet! I'll got the WiFi only version, but amazing display!
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no I'm serious. Given where other tablets are,../snp

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Where other tablets are.
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post #59 of 442
And the iPad 2 stays on. Just like we thought.

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But will they sell more tablets than they would have if they had kept the ipad2 and not introduced a new model (a new model with I should expect a lower margin).

we still have to wait for the 'one more thing', probably the ipad2 8gb at $100 less...

Make that 16 GB.
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Make that 16 GB.

8GB was always laughable.

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post #62 of 442
iPad 2 lives on at 16GB for $399.
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post #63 of 442
Name has come.

It's "The new iPad"

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I don't think processing is the issue. To do dictation I'd think you'd need something good like Dragon. Perhaps erroneously I thought Dragon wasn't feasible to be installed on a handheld.

I certainly hope it's local, as TS point out, not every iPad is connected to the internet, like a phone would be.

If you have att not all iphones are connected to the internet
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Name has come.

It's "The new iPad"

Hopefully the iPhone 6 will just be the iPhone.

Then the 'iPhone 5' nonsense will shut up once and for all.

And the event's over! Yay! Time to download me some GarageBand, wait for iOS 5.1, and then jailbreak it and put iMovie on my first-gen iPad.

Of course you know that iPhoto's not gonna work on my version. And then what's the point of the Photos app? I hope it gets REPLACED by iPhoto entirely.

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no I'm serious. Given where other tablets are, I thought Apple would raise the bar that high, but it's all good because the ipad 3 is still a great tablet. I guess I just revealed how highly I actually think of Apple.

Lower price - With that display and all the associated HW that wasn't going to happen. Next year we'll probably get a doubling of NAND, but the price won't be lower. After all they can't keep them in stock so I would argue that Apple priced them too low for the market*.

Lighter in weight - Again, the display. Even without the dual light bar it would likely need a larger battery to deal with the display and associated componets thus making it heavier, mostly because of the battery with a little for the additional casing material and any display panel weight. Note that the iPhone has gotten heavier on many occasions.

Longer battery life - Again, same thing with going Retina Display.

Bigger screen - You're talking about an entirely new UI. Add that to a new resolution for the 9.7" model and you just add insult to injury. Plus, this would fly against your desire to also make it lighter and have a lower in price

3D - I don't even now why that would be an option but it also would add cost and lower battery life.

8mp camera minimum - That could have happened. I can see that as a feasible expectation.

HD FaceTime camera - That didn't happen? I'm a little surprised since I think the iPhone 4S has it but I also don't think it's a big deal all this considered.

7" iPad Mini - That would be something that would come later when Apple isn't getting developers to start working on a new display resolution. Plus, with all the leaks of the 9.7" display there were no leaks of a 7" display.


* that's an economic observation not a desire for the prices to be raised.

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post #67 of 442
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i'm really curious... What the fuck were you expecting?

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Hopefully the iPhone 6 will just be the iPhone.

Then the 'iPhone 5' nonsense will shut up once and for all.

Agreed.
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Asus announced a tablet with similar specs, but it is 100 more than the base ipad. And with this announcement, I don't see that tablet being very desireable now.

It has the keyboard dock and sd card slot, but as always with apple's competitors the street price will be lower than the advertised price.

They will have to be b.t.w.
post #70 of 442
So high res screen (nice... i guess. Still not the greatest contrast ratio out there, would have liked to see OLED tech so you could get the deep blacks, but still good), 5MP camera (meh), speech to text (which has been on every phone for years now). Quad core processor (done to death at MWC, heck tegra 3 even has FIVE CORES!)

What is the game changer? What is the hype feature?

Was expecting more. If they did indeed find a way for you to 'feel' surfaces using haptic feedback so a rough surface feels rough whereas a smooth surface feels smooth, that would have been amazing.

Or even the rumoured gesture control so you could control the ipad using 3d space gestures without actually touching the screen.

As it is, it has a nice screen which not that many people will be even able to tell apart from the other screens out there.

Oh well, it will sell millions upon millions, and at the end of the day, its not whether its good or game changing, its that it sells millions.
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No, you've revealed how outlandish your predictions are.

The week before the first iPad launch, people were screaming for full OS X, a touch-sensitive back, solar charging, and all sorts of nonsense.

8mp camera is outlandish? Bigger display or lighter weight are outlandish?

What the hell are you talking about?? The touch sensitive dynamic button-less bezel idea was admittedly outlandish, but not beyond the realm of capability with Apple.
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Have they released the specs on the A5x yet? I know its 2x A9, but do we know the clock speeds yet? Any specs on the GPU; I would guess it will have to be significantly improved to be able to drive that screen.

GPU: SGX543MP4+, same as PS Vita.
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http://nexus404.com/Blog/2012/02/06/...ecent-reports/

They must've added the Audience EarSmart technology for cleaning up your voice for greater accuracy.
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What's the official name? iPad HD or iPad 3?

Doesn't f'ing matter. It's awesome.

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Have they released the specs on the A5x yet? I know its 2x A9, but do we know the clock speeds yet? Any specs on the GPU; I would guess it will have to be significantly improved to be able to drive that screen.

Speaking of screens, I hope this will act as the catalyst to drive screen improvement on laptops. It doesn't feel right that the ipad has a significantly better screen than the macbook pro.

The non-increase in price is a big deal imo. It will be interesting to see how Apple's competitors will react to this. Asus announced a tablet with similar specs, but it is 100 more than the base ipad. And with this announcement, I don't see that tablet being very desireable now.

GPU is rumored to be the same with the sony vita which is a SGX543MP4+ a quadcore version of the current iPad 2 gpu a SGX543MP2+.

CPU is probably 1.5 GHZ A5
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5MP camera (meh)

So from "it's a tablet. Who takes pictures on a tablet? This is stupid." to "the camera isn't good enough", huh?

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speech to text (which has been on every phone for years now).

I'm sorry, we're talking about working technology. If you like, we can create a humor category and submit that stuff.

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Quad core processor (done to death at MWC, heck tegra 3 even has FIVE CORES!)

Why haven't you been banned yet?

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What is the game changer? What is the hype feature?

The game changer is that Apple has done all these features correctly and will make money on them while everyone else just cries silently to themselves and pretends not to notice that no one is buying their tablets or making any money.

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As it is, it has a nice screen which not that many people will be even able to tell apart from the other screens out there.

"I have never even seen this screen, and as such am an expert on how it looks and how every single person on the planet will judge it."

SHUT UP. This is foolishness of the highest tier.

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They are emphasizing the microphone, but never said or showed a sign for Siri (based on the Engadget stream).

The 4 cores should be enough to do the Speech to Text natively. A huge plus for the iPad for writers.

It could be that, since unlike the iPhone the iPad is not always a connected device, that Apple chose not to release a feature that would only work some of the time and on only a percentage of models.

Native speech to text is huge though.
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8GB was always laughable.

A non-insignificant percentage of iPad users have no media stored on their iPad. For these customers, minimal storage is desirable from a price standpoint. This is especially true for businesses that use iPads. Frequently they only need email, web browsing and a couple custom apps. These fit quite easily in 8GB. They'd probably even fit in 4GB.

Though with declining prices for storage, it isn't unreasonable to include more than needed. Either way, 8GB wasn't laughable. It served a subset of customers quite well.
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Resolution can be measured or expressed either linearly (one dimension) or by area (two dimensions).

Wrong.

You have to use some sort of qualifier if you only mean "one dimension". For example, the display has a vertical resolution of 1536 pixels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

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Lower price - With that display and all the associated HW that wasn't going to happen. Next year we'll probably get a doubling of NAND, but the price won't be lower. After all they can't keep them in stock so I would argue that Apple priced them too low for the market*.

Lighter in weight - Again, the display. Even without the dual light bar it would likely need a larger battery to deal with the display and associated componets thus making it heavier, mostly because of the battery with a little for the additional casing material and any display panel weight. Note that the iPhone has gotten heavier on many occasions.

Longer battery life - Again, same thing with going Retina Display.

Bigger screen - You're talking about an entirely new UI. Add that to a new resolution for the 9.7" model and you just add insult to injury. Plus, this would fly against your desire to also make it lighter and have a lower in price

3D - I don't even now why that would be an option but it also would add cost and lower battery life.

8mp camera minimum - That could have happened. I can see that as a feasible expectation.

HD FaceTime camera - That didn't happen? I'm a little surprised since I think the iPhone 4S has it but I also don't think it's a big deal all this considered.

7" iPad Mini - That would be something that would come later when Apple isn't getting developers to start working on a new display resolution. Plus, with all the leaks of the 9.7" display there were no leaks of a 7" display.


* that's an economic observation not a desire for the prices to be raised.

A lower price isn't a far off out of this world idea. These things are pretty pricey for the actual use you get out of them.

The lighter weight would have simply been the result of components inside shrinking or the PCB being streamlined, also not a far out idea.

Longer battery life - I figured we would see this from optimized software (which would be what kicks the battery life up and probably what can be credited now for the battery life it currently has.)

bigger screen - that admittedly was an ill thought expectation

3D - it's the future, it's here, it's not implausible that a tablet be 3D. If anything, it's MORE plausible given that a single person tends to watch movies on these things, and it's far easier to deliver a rich 3D experience when one viewing angle is considered.

HD facetime might actually be on the ipad3, maybe I spoke too soon. Same with ipad mini, maybe it's still coming.
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