Apple announces new iPad with 3.1M-pixel Retina Display, 4G LTE, voice dictation - Page 11

Originally Posted by rednival

Nintendo had stabbed them in the back.

Imitation is seen as natural and expected in the gaming industry.

Furthermore, there isn't much love for Nintendo with long term gamers right now.

Nintendo decided to betray the fans that had stood by them and continued buying their systems so they could play Mario, Metroid, and Zelda. They sold out, built a casual gaming device, and lost the hearts and minds of the ones that loved them for so long.

The 3DS is not doing well because Nintendo stabbed their fans in the heart and twisted the knife for safe keeping.

Only time will tell if their renewed commitment to "hard core" gamers will reignite the passions of Nintendo fans.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I take issue with THAT. But anyway, this is an Apple forum.

Originally Posted by tyler82

Apple stock up 9 bucks. Cool.

Since I wanted to order a smart cover also, Dylan offered a leather cover to me for the same price as a polyurethane for my "troubles." I ordered the tan, which should look so classy against the black glass. Does anybody have experience with or opinion about the leather covers?

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

Can you do all this with the standard release of the Android OS?

Because, if you have to root the OS (or whatever they call it) to be able to setup a LAMP server -- it is no different than JailBreaking iOS to do the same thing.

As I stated earlier, I did this several years ago on an iPod (before iPhone), iPhone 1, Apple TV 1.

It is really no big deal as iOS is just Unix (OS X) with a kernel tailored to the device.

Here's a reference from 2007 -- almost 5 years ago:

Apache on iPhone - How Cool!!

This isn't really that big of a deal!


Is that a LAMP Server in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?


I abandoned the JailBreak approach with the advent of the iOS SDK, and the app store -- I found that I could buy most of the capability I needed a lot less expensively than messing about re-inventing the wheel.. For a few capabilities not available, I was able to roll-my-own apps within the constraints of the iOS SDK.

If you really want a useful server have a look at this:

Mac Mini

You can set up a legitimate server for as little as $599 -- even less if you buy a used mini on eBay, etc.

Originally Posted by thumbtackjagermeister

Man I love apple - but! I think they are slipping..

Apple is not meant to have loose ends. Apple users are never meant to be left confused, and for the first time, I am left confused.

Honestly, I am scared for the future of this company already.

Let me explain my beef with the new ipad.

1) Will the IPAD LTE work in the UK? No explanation whatsoever!

2) Which brings me to the second point. Google IPAD LTE UK. It leaves you confused.
If apple had called the device IPAD3, it would make it so much easier to Google it! There is no clarity in the nomeclature.

Why drop the number? What reason is there? It has made googling now and henceforth a bit more difficult when you want to trouble shoot.

3) Facetime HD Camera. Come on - the one thing I want to do is talk to my parents using Facetime! An ipad is much easier to use than a PC and my parents are not exactly computer engineers. Was an HD camera that difficult to implement Apple?

I actually went from being a definite buy on the IPAD3 (I will call it this - Apple go to hell) to having distaste in my mouth.

Sorry guys - this is just my opinion on the whole thing.

Originally Posted by oneaburns

I'm debating getting it at the store or ordering. I never know when FedEx or UPS are going to deliver so I don't want to be stuck at home all day. But I also don't want to go to the store to find they're sold out. Yes, this can be filed under "White People Problems"

I am really surprised they are not calling it the iPad 3, especially when they decided to continue selling the iPad 2. I can just see a less informed customer walking into the store:

Cust: Hello, I'd like to buy an iPad.
SA: Great! Which would you like, the iPad 2 or the new iPad?
Cust: Well, I guess I should get the newest one, so i'll take the iPad 2.
SA: Actually, the new iPad is the newest. The iPad 2 is older. See, here they are side by side.
Cust: Oh, they look the same, but the iPad 2 is slightly thinner and lighter. Are you sure that's not the new one? I want the new one.
SA: No, the new iPad is new, the iPad 2 is old. It's slower and has lower resolution.
Cust: Umm, OK? Did you just wink at me?

Now of course, a little more explanation as to the change in the naming convention and the customer will understand, it's just not as readily apparent as it would be if they kept the number.

I understand all the reasons they are going away from the number but I think it's a mistake. Now the customer doesn't know if it's more of a refresh or an all new revision simply by looking at the name. Then again, that might be something Apple wanted too.

Originally Posted by stoster1

Ok so you're not going to buy the iPad because:

1. Apple didn't list every single LTE carrier in the world.
2. No iSight camera for Facetime
3. The name of the device is not iPad3.

My responses are as follows:

1. Since the event was held in the US it just made more sense to show the North American carriers. I understand that the iPad is being released in other countries. I'm sure more details will be forthcoming.

2. I don't use Facetime chat too much but the few times I used it the camera wasn't an issue for me.

3. The only products that had "versions" as part of their names are the iPhone and the iPad. All the rest of Apple products are just iMac, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, etc. I don't see the big deal that it's just called "iPad". That's not going to change what it can do.

I have the original iPad and will be upgrading so I'm looking forward to it. If these are the 3 reasons why you would not be buying an iPad they seem pretty weak to me. That's my opinion.

Originally Posted by tyler82

There was no iPhone 1

Originally Posted by Relic

Oh I have a Mac Mini believe me. No root, there is actually a app that installs a full copy of Debian along side Android. It 's really neat. I use the Asus on the train and when I'm traveling, I always like working on a local server anyway before syncing with my home server or work. I think I like that are more flavors of tablet for me to choose from. My Asus is a hybrid tablet with a built in keyboard that I use for work, my new Samsung 7.7 is a perfect jacket pocket computer and my iPad is my home entertainment.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

How in the world was the first iPhone not the first iPhone?

Originally Posted by hungover

Ermm... I would like to see option 2. Unfortunately Apple have gone for the unmentioned 3rd option of only supporting some LTE enabled countries.

My preferred option however would have been multi frequency support rather than locking customers to a given network.

Originally Posted by hungover

But that does mean that you have to phone the other person first and tell them to put their phone into wifi sharing mode and then grab a second compatible Apple product whilst you do the same.(assuming that both of you are out of range of a wifi network). The jail break option seems like less hassle.

Originally Posted by Vthree

I just had a thought regarding the naming going back to just iPad. Although it is likely I am totally wrong but throwing it out there.

What if we do have an iPad mini in the works? If the just released iPad were named iPad3, then apple would have 2 choices

1) name the mini iPad4 which would be confusing

2) name it iPad mini. But then next gen of that would be iPad mini 2 which would just get clumsy.

Now, we will just have iPad and iPad mini. Not suggesting it will be released this year or anything but they must be looking into and testing different form factors

Originally Posted by rednival

As someone who has read gaming magazines and followed gaming for years, I take issue with this. Nintendo created revolutions with the original Nintendo, Game Boys and Super Nintendo. The Nintendo 64 and Gamecube had far less success. It was Sony that revolutionized gaming in the 90's with the original Playstation after Nintendo had stabbed them in the back. They co-developed the Playstation with Nintendo as the SNES CD Drive. Nintendo decided optical disc had no future in gaming, dumped Sony, and started working on the Nintendo 64. The rest is history. Go look it up.

The thing you have to get a handle on is the gaming industry is very different. Don't look at it through Apple/Android tinted sun glasses. Imitation is seen as natural and expected in the gaming industry. There is a truce of sorts. If your competitors imitate you, you just have to work that much harder to innovate again. No one swears vengeance, or, god forbid, sues each other. Because you know what? All three current companies have either imitated or innovated at some point and have their specialties. Nintendo has controllers, Sony has optical discs and storage, and Microsoft has online gaming and distribution.

Furthermore, there isn't much love for Nintendo with long term gamers right now. Nintendo decided to betray the fans that had stood by them and continued buying their systems so they could play Mario, Metroid, and Zelda. They sold out, built a casual gaming device, and lost the hearts and minds of the ones that loved them for so long.

How this is similar to Apple is beyond me. I am very skeptical that Wii U will sell as Nintendo hopes. The 3DS is not doing well because Nintendo stabbed their fans in the heart and twisted the knife for safe keeping. They are paying for it now. There are people that have lost interest in Nintendo and may never come back.

Only time will tell if their renewed commitment to "hard core" gamers will reignite the passions of Nintendo fans.

Nintendo is no Apple. Not even close.

Originally Posted by jragosta


Your complaint was that the iPad's LTE wouldn't work in the UK. But since there is no LTE in the UK, there's absolutely nothing Apple could have done differently wrt the UK.

As for other countries which might use the same frequencies as the US and Canada, we have no way of knowing yet if the iPad will work on LTE there. If the iPhone is any indication, it will work fine if you can come up with a SIM.



It doesn't mean any such thing.

Originally Posted by LogicNReason

Oh man, we have an old school console fanboy here. I miss the days where tech sites and forums were debating between which console was better based on the quality of their games (rather than the strength of their IP portfolio )

Anyhow, as Tallest Skill has already pointed out, this response is so far from correct I'm not sure where to begin.

First of all, Nintendo and Apple are actually pretty comparable. Both companies have a notoriously dedicated fanbase, sell devices for a profit in industries where that isn't usually the case, have had ridiculously monetarily successful years, and have brought about the idea of making things easier for the average user. Ironically, both companies' fans tend to come under fire from the lack of caring about "technological" aspects, which is usually retorted with "it's about the experience." (for example, the wii is technologically lightyears behind its opponents, yet has 1st party games that often rate higher than their counterparts' best).

I'm not sure what you define as "no support from long term gamers". The only market Nintendo doesn't have control of is the newest market (the 16 year olds that think CoD is the greatest thing ever). Older gamers will still often swear to Nintendo simply because they're still here (unlike Sega and old Sony series'). How many gamers do you think still play their original Xbox? Or even their PSX to a lesser extent? I'm willing to bet less than 10% of those that still play their N64/SNES/NES, etc. Hell, Nintendo can STILL sell their systems based on porting older games.

While I won't comment on the Wii U, you're either lying or misinformed if you think the 3DS isn't selling well. Remember that Nintendo DS thingamajig that pretty much shattered sales records and brought about this "casual gaming" craze? The 3DS is outselling the DS when you compare their life cycles. The 3DS also hasn't even seen the release of the Super Smash Bros installment that has been promised. If that game drops and the 3DS doesn't break nearly every gaming sales record ever I'll eat my shorts. That series alone sold the failing Gamecube, imagine what it will do to an already growing 3DS? NOT EVEN FACTORING IN THE FACT THAT IT'LL BE ON A PORTABLE DEVICE. You must be one of those people that thinks because Apple isn't winning market share it's failing, right?

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Originally Posted by LogicNReason

Oh man, we have an old school console fanboy here. I miss the days where tech sites and forums were debating between which console was better based on the quality of their games (rather than the strength of their IP portfolio

Originally Posted by rednival

OK, first off you guys took my post as Nintendo bashing and that is not what it was meant to be. It was purely meant to point out the reasons I don't feel Nintendo and Apple are similar, but that is just me.

I see 3DS sales have improved. I know that I have read some things about it not selling well, but perhaps those articles were skewed. I know initially it was not doing well. I guess the price drop did a lot to help it, so I admit things have changed. It did not have a strong start, but it is doing better. Fine.

That out of the way, there is a lot on the Internet about how many gamers are jaded by Nintendo. Even Nintendo committed on how the Wii U was ideal for hardcore gamers to compensate for this. I guess you can just ignore these facts the same way I did 3DS sales number, or you can accept that your as misinformed on this point as I was 3DS sales.

Just look at this page and scan through he article some of the comments. It was just the first URL I came to when I searched "Nintendo hard core gamer". I am not alone in my feelings in the least.

You don't have to like it.
You don't have to agree with it.

But you and Tallest Skill need to get down off your high horse and stop talking like I am completely off base. I may be wrong about 3DS sales, but that was far for the crux of my point. My point is Nintendo did disappoint a lot of long time fans with the Wii. I still like Nintendo and I may even buy a Wii U.

I just don't see Nintendo and Apple as the same, and that was my primary point to begin with. It is simply my opinion.

Originally Posted by hungover

Complaint, moi?

I didn't complain. I was retorting to your suggestion that other countries don't deserve the LTE units because they opted for a seemingly esoteric frequency range, to wit I mentioned that Germany has a population of 80m but uses a different frequency range to the USA carriers.

Originally Posted by hungover

IMO the iPhone was a step forward with regard to compatibility (ie GSM/CDMA) whereas the LTE iPad is a retrograde, splintering step. Are you really suggesting that the Apple engineers don't have the ability to provide multi-frequency support?

Apple is supposed to be about simplicity. Although the Apple site says that the lte ipad will only work with the selected carrier, there will be many people that will cancel their rolling carrier contracts assuming that they can switch to another provider at some point.

BTW can you explain how two people with two standard iphones can conduct a facetime conversation over 3g without additional hardware?

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

I was going to post an image of Apple's competition using a tablet but really it's them at a drawing board... as in back to the drawing board... but none of the images I found seemed right.

Originally Posted by nikon133

...

Though... after using original iPad and original Transformer, I really don't see much point of such resolution on those screen sizes.

Originally Posted by LogicNReason

Oh man, we have an old school console fanboy here. I miss the days where tech sites and forums were debating between which console was better based on the quality of their games (rather than the strength of their IP portfolio )

Anyhow, as Tallest Skill has already pointed out, this response is so far from correct I'm not sure where to begin.

First of all, Nintendo and Apple are actually pretty comparable. Both companies have a notoriously dedicated fanbase, sell devices for a profit in industries where that isn't usually the case, have had ridiculously monetarily successful years, and have brought about the idea of making things easier for the average user. Ironically, both companies' fans tend to come under fire from the lack of caring about "technological" aspects, which is usually retorted with "it's about the experience." (for example, the wii is technologically lightyears behind its opponents, yet has 1st party games that often rate higher than their counterparts' best).

I'm not sure what you define as "no support from long term gamers". The only market Nintendo doesn't have control of is the newest market (the 16 year olds that think CoD is the greatest thing ever). Older gamers will still often swear to Nintendo simply because they're still here (unlike Sega and old Sony series'). How many gamers do you think still play their original Xbox? Or even their PSX to a lesser extent? I'm willing to bet less than 10% of those that still play their N64/SNES/NES, etc. Hell, Nintendo can STILL sell their systems based on porting older games.

While I won't comment on the Wii U, you're either lying or misinformed if you think the 3DS isn't selling well. Remember that Nintendo DS thingamajig that pretty much shattered sales records and brought about this "casual gaming" craze? The 3DS is outselling the DS when you compare their life cycles. The 3DS also hasn't even seen the release of the Super Smash Bros installment that has been promised. If that game drops and the 3DS doesn't break nearly every gaming sales record ever I'll eat my shorts. That series alone sold the failing Gamecube, imagine what it will do to an already growing 3DS? NOT EVEN FACTORING IN THE FACT THAT IT'LL BE ON A PORTABLE DEVICE. You must be one of those people that thinks because Apple isn't winning market share it's failing, right?

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Originally Posted by oneaburns

I'm debating getting it at the store or ordering.

Originally Posted by tyler82

From the apple website:

-Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating

Is this a new feature of the iPad display or did previous models have this as well?

Originally Posted by jragosta

Why don't you stop making things up? Where did I say that anyone didn't deserve LTE units?

Read the link I gave you. Or Google 'FaceTime 3G'

And please stop commenting on things that you don't understand and that you're too lazy to look up.

Originally Posted by hungover

I will concede that there are many things that I don't understand, such as why you are so rude.

You malign (pretty much) everyone outside of the North of America for being disappointed that the iPad will not provide them with LTE, stating (correctly) that it is not Apple's fault that LTE is so fragmented.

You feign privileged insider knowledge, stating that those countries on other frequencies don't have a large enough market base to make it worthwhile for Apple to support them.

The USA uses "700MHz and 2.1GHz frequency, unlike the rest of the civilized world, which usually uses the 800MHz, 1.8GHz, 2.3GHz and 2.6GHz". Are you really trying to tell me that that the USA and Canada has a larger customer base than Asia and Europe?

Then you whine about your cellular tariff limits suggesting that Apple didn't include HD facetime because it would be a bandwidth hog. I retorted that Facetime isn't even officially supported over 3g, thus invalidating your arguement. In an attempt to demonstrate your superiority you provide a link to a site that says that you can use ICS over Wifi to bypass the Factime restrictions. Now please tell me how two people can conduct a facetime conversation if each of them each owns one piece of (unadulterated) Apple hardware and have no other hardware capable of acting as a WiFi access point.

Before accusing people of being lazy and stupid, perhaps you should read your own posts.

Originally Posted by nikon133

I don't fully agree with you. Nintendo doesn't have loyal fans as much as loyal age group.

I am 44 and still active gamer on PC and PS3 (PS2, PSP and original PS before that). I had some exposure to Nintendo in 8-bit era but got bored with Mario and company early and moved to other franchises. Most of my friends - heck, all of them - did the same, but some of them are returning to Nintendo as their kids have grown up to "early gaming age". I might get Nintendo as well in a few years, when my kid gets there - no way I'll give him/her to play BF3 or Uncharted or Resident Evil or... - but I have no doubts he/she will grow out of Nintendo like I did.

Regarding old games still being around - I kno some people who will, on occasion, run their ZX Spectrum or CBM64 emulators and have a go of Manic Miner or Jet Set Willy... outside of retro-nostalgics, I'm not surprised that kids will play old games as well. Not so long ago I let my friend's kid play Rachet & Clank 1 on PS2 and Rachet & Clank: A Crack in Time on PS3, and to my surprise, after just a few minutes on PS3, kid wanted to go back to PS2 game. Even if gameplay was mostly the same, he found PS3 version to complex (visually) and off-putting, compared to much more cartoonish PS2 version. He was 5 at the time.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Look up 'straw man argument'. Where did I malign anyone for being disappointed?

I simply stated that Apple made it clear which markets were covered and if you buy it without checking to see if your market is covered, it's your problem.

I also stated that it's not Apple's fault that LTE is so fragmented - which is absolutely true. Why in the world would you think that it's Apple's fault?

I also pointed out that in the past, Apple has started with the most readily accessible markets and later added new markets as time went on (see the iPhone 4 or 4S introductions, for example) and that the same thing would probably happen with LTE.

And I've told you how to find a way to use FaceTime over 3G. I'm not going to go on a wild goose chase to add all of your other new restrictions.

Originally Posted by hungover

Do you tell people that you were raised in the wilds of Africa by apes following the death of your family? I ask because of the ease with which you seem to be able to "re-invent" the past.

You bandy around accusations without bothering to understand the context in which fellow members post.

You condescendingly state that any Apple customer that is confused by the fragmentation of LTE is a victim of a failed education.

You dismiss dissenting voices by highlighting improbable scenarios whilst trying to imply that you speak from a position of authority.

You lay claim to posts that don't exist.

You cry foul and then imply that the poster has said something other than that which they said.

Silly boy...

Originally Posted by hungover

Ermm... I would like to see option 2. Unfortunately Apple have gone for the unmentioned 3rd option of only supporting some LTE enabled countries.

My preferred option however would have been multi frequency support rather than locking customers to a given network.




But that does mean that you have to phone the other person first and tell them to put their phone into wifi sharing mode and then grab a second compatible Apple product whilst you do the same.(assuming that both of you are out of range of a wifi network). The jail break option seems like less hassle.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

The subject of that sentence doesn't connect with the predicate by any method of logic that I can parse.

Originally Posted by spish

Why not? It's a well-formed english sentence which disputes your suggestion that Sony copied the Wiimote.

Perhaps your inability to comprehend it comes from a blind hatred of Sony.

Whatever, it's your problem, not mine.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

No, the sentence implies that nothing was copied because of some earlier work.

Originally Posted by spish

No it doesn't. It explicitly refers to the Move controller and the Wii.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Your educated guess isn't very good. You're pretending that you know more about the iPad 3's performance than Apple does. That is, of course, total BS.

The fact is that LTE only reduces the tablet's life by 10% - so LTE on the iPad clearly isn't the battery life killer you're whining about.

But feel free to provide evidence (rather than your uneducated guesses.

Originally Posted by Shrike

Here is where I'll eat my words. It does appear that the new display and maybe the A5X is what is drawing a lot of power. And the radio chipset is the MDM9600 which is a 40/45 nm chipset that's been used since last year. Last to know is whether the A5X is a 45 nm or 32 nm part.

That's a lot of high power drawing parts if they are using a display that requires 2x the light power, an MDM9600 chipset which is known to eat power, 2x that of mature HSDP chipset, and if the A5X is a 45 nm part, than wow. 42 Watt-hour battery indeed.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

You're still missing the point if you are including the MDM9600 in a measure against what makes the 42W battery last as just long as the 25W battery in its predecessor.

Originally Posted by Shrike

Yeah, yeah, 4G is not the "problem". I'm eating my words after all. But it grates on my design senses such that I think Apple is reaching here. Every single part in the device has a certain power draw, and you have to be judicious about them. You get caught in a box were every decision you make results in some unsavory consequence: weight, size, and heat. A 42 WHr battery to power the device to 10 hrs on WiFi and 9 on LTE!

When I see that 42 WHr battery, and it only yields the same usage performance as prior iPads, it just grates.

Hopefully the tear downs and further testing will determine the partials. Based on the 10 and 9 quoted hrs, the MDM9600 is costing 4.2 WHrs. That's ~80% of the iPhone battery. The display, WiFi and the A5X is burning about 3.5 to 4 W when running video or browsing over WiFi. That's 50 to 70% more than the iPad 2. Just don't like it. I'd rather they keep the total power draw less than 3 W and make the device thinner, lighter and last longer.

They're caught in a mis-timing with the immaturity of display tech as it is apparently still amorphous silicon and it seems only Intel can produce CPUs at 32 nm or better.