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iTunes 10.6 now available with support for 1080p video

post #1 of 30
3/7/12 at 12:48pm
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Support for 1080p video came with the new Apple TV announced on Wednesday, and Apple's iTunes software has also been updated accordingly with version 10.6.

iTunes 10.6 is now available for download direct from Apple or via Software Update, giving users access to 1080p high-definition movies and TV shows. That content can then be streamed to the Apple TV and played back in its native resolution on an HDTV.

The new iTunes also features a number of improvements for the $24.99-per-year iTunes Match service, including improved song matching, as well as improved album artwork handling, downloading and display. iTunes 10.6 also address an issue where songs may skip when playing from iCloud.

The release of iTunes 10.6 came on Wednesday alongside the iOS 5.1 software update for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. The new Apple TV with 1080p video playback will be available for $99 starting next week.

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post #2 of 30
3/7/12 at 12:51pm
Of note is that iTunes shows up in the Mac App Store in Mountain Lion, but as a "OS X Update". Interesting.

Also, the "HD" symbol next to the names of video content is broken. The left side is clipped.
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post #3 of 30
3/7/12 at 1:06pm
So, I buy a movie that is 1080p. I have an iPhone 4. What happens? Do I now have to sync the SD version? Or is there now an SD/720p/1080p version/option? Same for the Apple TV2. Will I be forced to watch the SD versions? If so, not cool.
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post #4 of 30
3/7/12 at 1:22pm
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So, I buy a movie that is 1080p. I have an iPhone 4. What happens? Do I now have to sync the SD version? Or is there now an SD/720p/1080p version/option? Same for the Apple TV2. Will I be forced to watch the SD versions? If so, not cool.

Whenever you bought a movie before, iTunes always downloaded multiple versions, and you had an option of syncing whatever you thought was best.
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post #5 of 30
3/7/12 at 1:29pm
Just to clarify, if you want to down load 1080p movies, go to Preferences in iTunes, then go to the Store tab and under When downloading High Definition videos, select: 1080p.
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post #6 of 30
3/7/12 at 1:50pm
iTunes 10.6? Sounds like it should have skipped to iTunes 10.80

Damn, I slay me.

OK, what I actually want to know is whether this means it's now iPad2 level hardware or iPad3 level. I mean... new iPad, but newer than new iPad2.
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post #7 of 30
3/7/12 at 2:02pm
1) You have to set whether you want 720p or 1080p in your iTunes Preferences.

2) As predicted since there is no additional fee the file size isn't that much larger than 720p despite the pixel size difference being over 2x as much for a 16:9 video. It appears to only be about a 15% increase in bit rate. Perfectly sound decision since even those n tech sites keep calling for 1080p without ever mentioning the other characteristics involved in picture quality.

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post #8 of 30
3/7/12 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Of note is that iTunes shows up in the Mac App Store in Mountain Lion, but as a "OS X Update". Interesting.

Also, the "HD" symbol next to the names of video content is broken. The left side is clipped.

That is one of the changes I was hoping for with Lion: merging Software Updater with the Update section of App Store. ML really does add all the things I had hoped for in Lion.

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post #9 of 30
3/7/12 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by mrstep View Post

OK, what I actually want to know is whether this means it's now iPad2 level hardware or iPad3 level. I mean... new iPad, but newer than new iPad2.

What does this mean?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

That is one of the changes I was hoping for with Lion: merging Software Updater with the Update section of App Store.

I expected it to at least show up with the iTunes icon. Sort of like a standalone application that can't be accessed any other way. Ah, well.
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post #10 of 30
3/7/12 at 2:32pm
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I expected it to at least show up with the iTunes icon. Sort of like a standalone application that can't be accessed any other way. Ah, well.

Yeah, that was a little confusing. They really need to make the non-App Store items a heading with the icons of the app to the left.

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post #11 of 30
3/7/12 at 3:06pm
Has anyone outside the US been able to download 1080p content? I've just bought a HD movie (Men In Black) hoping it would be 1080p but the size is still the same as the 720p version so I'm guessing it isn't 1080p (it's still downloading). I did set the store preference to 1080p.
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post #12 of 30
3/7/12 at 3:11pm
Just re-downloaded Iron Man in 1080p. Interestingly, the file size is smaller than the 720p: 4.21GB (1080) vs. 4.25GB (720). Also the bit rate is low, only 4,000. 720p is 4,100.
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post #13 of 30
3/7/12 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by gareth_moore View Post

Has anyone outside the US been able to download 1080p content? I've just bought a HD movie (Men In Black) hoping it would be 1080p but the size is still the same as the 720p version so I'm guessing it isn't 1080p (it's still downloading). I did set the store preference to 1080p.

In iTunes, that title shows as "3.21 GB (720p HD), 1.09 GB (SD)", so I'm guessing you'll only get the 720p version.
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post #14 of 30
3/7/12 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by nkingman View Post

Just to clarify, if you want to down load 1080p movies, go to Preferences in iTunes, then go to the Store tab and under When downloading High Definition videos, select: 1080p.

Thanks for the update.

If you select that option do you happen to know if all HD movies are 1080p from now on?
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post #15 of 30
3/7/12 at 3:35pm
The download of Men In Black has just finished and it's still 720p so it seems like 1080p is only available in the US. I think this is very bad on Apple's since its not clear. People with Apple TV 2 could go out and buy an Apple TV 3 and it won't give them anything new.
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post #16 of 30
3/7/12 at 3:38pm
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Just re-downloaded Iron Man in 1080p. Interestingly, the file size is smaller than the 720p: 4.21GB (1080) vs. 4.25GB (720). Also the bit rate is low, only 4,000. 720p is 4,100.

LOL The ones I checked were about 16% larger, which is still nominal and less data per pixel, but at least it was more.

The people wanted 1080p and they got 1080p. They should have much "better quality" but that isn't how the marketing has steered them.

You see any other files that were encoded with a smaller bitrate than 720p? Could that slight difference be an artifact of a frame having a lot more chances of the same pixels color being represented by other pixels in a frame?

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post #17 of 30
3/7/12 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by gareth_moore View Post

The download of Men In Black has just finished and it's still 720p so it seems like 1080p is only available in the US. I think this is very bad on Apple's since its not clear. People with Apple TV 2 could go out and buy an Apple TV 3 and it won't give them anything new.

It says it on the iTS page if it's 720p or 1080p and the file size. 3.95GB for 1080p, 3.28GB for 720p, and 1.38 for SD. 1080p is a 20% in size.

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post #18 of 30
3/7/12 at 5:07pm
I think they've gone on the cheap side with 1080 @ 4Mbps. They could've gone to 10Mbps, or even 7Mbp, I understand a higher bit rate would've been stressful on the bandwidth, but users have a choice between 720 or 1080. So if people can't handle the 1080 bandwidth, they can opt for 720.
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post #19 of 30
3/7/12 at 5:11pm
The bitrate here won't be an issue much longer.

I can see Apple being the first to adopt HEVC once it's finalized and iTunes to be the first digital store to push HEVC content.

My stars, talk about your small file sizes. We could have twice the bitrate for 1080p content in the same size file. There's your quality for the quality freaks and your size for the well, everyone since US "broadband" speeds are so pathetic.
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post #20 of 30
3/7/12 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by gareth_moore View Post

The download of Men In Black has just finished and it's still 720p so it seems like 1080p is only available in the US. I think this is very bad on Apple's since its not clear. People with Apple TV 2 could go out and buy an Apple TV 3 and it won't give them anything new.

It's completely clear. In iTunes it tells you whether it's a 720 or 1080 file. So far in Canada I've only found 1080p tv content.
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post #21 of 30
3/7/12 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The bitrate here won't be an issue much longer.

I can see Apple being the first to adopt HEVC once it's finalized and iTunes to be the first digital store to push HEVC content.

My stars, talk about your small file sizes. We could have twice the bitrate for 1080p content in the same size file. There's your quality for the quality freaks and your size for the well, everyone since US "broadband" speeds are so pathetic.

I think we should wait to see some side-by-sides of similar frames before judging the quality of the encoding.
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post #22 of 30
3/7/12 at 6:20pm
Typical iTunes with Windows. If you upgrade and restarted with an error window about SQLite3.dll, here's the solution. This happened before for x.x updates.

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By Allan123
This solved my question
Re: I see a AppleSyncNotifier.exe - Entry Point Not Found error when my PC starts.

Oct 4, 2011 4:17 PM (in response to ejrcpa)

With Windows Explorer, navigate to your C: \\Program Files\\Common Files\\Apple\\Apple Application Support folder.

Copy the SQLite3.dll that you should find there, navigate to the nearby Mobile Device Support folder, and Paste it in there also.

Reboot and see if all is well



In case that your OS is Windows 7 (64 bit)

1. Open windows explorer, go to location C: \\Program Files (x86)\\Common Files\\Apple\\Apple Application Support
2. Copy file "SQLite3.dll"
3. Open new windows explorer, to to location C: \\Program Files (x86)\\Common Files\\Apple\\Mobile Device Support
4. Paste file "SQLite3.dll" to the location.
5. Reboot your computer, it should not display that message, it should be clear.
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post #23 of 30
3/8/12 at 4:22am
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iTunes 10.6? Sounds like it should have skipped to iTunes 10.80

Damn, I slay me.

OK, what I actually want to know is whether this means it's now iPad2 level hardware or iPad3 level. I mean... new iPad, but newer than new iPad2.

we have a winner! and BTW i'm not being sarcastic!... geek humour.
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post #24 of 30
3/8/12 at 5:19am
We finally have the option of 192Kbs and 256Kbps bitrates when transcoding audio for transfer to an iDevice.
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post #25 of 30
3/8/12 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The bitrate here won't be an issue much longer.

I can see Apple being the first to adopt HEVC once it's finalized and iTunes to be the first digital store to push HEVC content.

My stars, talk about your small file sizes. We could have twice the bitrate for 1080p content in the same size file. There's your quality for the quality freaks and your size for the… well, everyone since US "broadband" speeds are so pathetic.

Don't worry, Australia too is dropping down the OECD broadband list. But luckily the government has started mandating a rollout of fibre (National Broadband Network) that will initially wholesale 100mbps Level2 to resellers, with capacity for higher speeds down the track. This fibre is supposed to cover almost all of populated Australia, as opposed to the paltry fibre coverage even in major cities right now. LTE also has started for 5km from CBDs, and is expanding gradually. Stay on the ball, Australia! Let's not rely just on digging stuff up from the ground and selling it to China.
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post #26 of 30
3/8/12 at 6:23am
Also note the following regarding 1080p from iPad3:

~AirPlay Mirroring to Apple TV (2nd and 3rd generation) at 720p

~AirPlay video streaming to Apple TV (3rd generation) at up to 1080p and Apple TV (2nd generation) at up to 720p

~Video mirroring and video out support: Up to 1080p with Apple Digital AV Adapter or Apple VGA Adapter (adapters sold separately)

As such I'll hold of on Apple TV 3 for now and go for iPad 3. Time to pre-order, BRB.

Edit: Boom! For the first time ever in my life, I have actually been able to pre-order an Apple product and expect to receive it at the same time as the USA. Gawd Bless Australia. Gawd Bless America.

Thanks for the info on the file sizes, I went ahead and got a 16GB iPad Retina WiFi, white. Will sit nicely next to my 16GB iPad 2 Wifi, white. Finally also got decent broadband, 15mbps download. Now I can finally have first world problems like watching a whole season of Big Bang Theory in one night and then cry the next day of having to wait months for the new season. Finally I can find out what the heck all this "Cloud" stuff is whereby you can get by with a 16GB iPad 1/2/3 and not be hunting for 64GB SD cards and what not. Gawd Bless Western Civilisation.

As for Android, I'm sorry, but this year, no dice. I tried to keep in touch with developments there but, ah, forget it.
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post #27 of 30
3/8/12 at 7:43am
Check this interesting stuff out about iPad 2 1080p output:

"AirPlay Mirroring to Apple TV support at 720p
Video mirroring and video out support: Up to 1080p with Apple Digital AV Adapter or Apple VGA Adapter (adapters sold separately)
Video out support at 576p and 480p with Apple Component AV Cable; 576i and 480i with Apple Composite AV Cable (cables sold separately)
Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 1080p, 30 frames per second, High Profile level 4.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format"
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post #28 of 30
3/8/12 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by sunilraman View Post

Edit: Boom! For the first time ever in my life, I have actually been able to pre-order an Apple product and expect to receive it at the same time as the USA. Gawd Bless Australia. Gawd Bless America.

10 countries zero day, 25 more countries day 7. That's unbelievable for this scale.

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post #29 of 30
3/8/12 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by 11thIndian View Post

I think we should wait to see some side-by-sides of similar frames before judging the quality of the encoding.

I'm not judging it, I'm just commenting on the bitrate in comparison to where many quality fanatics claim is an 'appropriate' bitrate. And then talking exclusively about HEVC in relation to file sizes and apparent bitrate.
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post #30 of 30
3/8/12 at 1:37pm
Now we need HD sound and 1080p/24.
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