Originally Posted by addabox
I must say I'm not really looking forward to the coming years of "Steve would have never done this."
It's disturbing how much some people disregard the effects of a team effort and only credit one person. If he and the rest of their management staff couldn't bring in real talent and interesting design staff, you wouldn't have these products. I think the perception of what he added is really distorted. You can look at when he returned to Apple, but fewer people seem to mention how many people he brought along or recruited after that point.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Which has absolutely no legal power behind it, but yes.
Well they were warned. I doubt the potential legal battle is worth the trademark for Apple. The iTV thing really just grew from idiot analysts anyway, the same ones that get flamed on here when they criticize Apple.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Be prepared for something wonderful, then. Soon. It's a shame that it all comes at different times, though.
So Ivy Bridge will give us a standard performance bump, sure. But we expect a case redesign and line combination (at least, I do the latter), removing the optical drive entirely. Finally.
The next update will be Haswell (or will there be a speed bump on Ivy Bridge first?) in 2013. Haswell is expected to give us TWENTY FOUR HOURS OF BATTERY LIFE. I mean MY STARS. Can you IMAGINE. That's a paradigm shift for laptops right there. I also expect Retina screens at the same time.
So yeah, we'll see some good stuff coming with laptops in the next year or so. The Mac Mini will get an Ivy Bridge bump sometime, and hopefully the next iMac release also drops the ODD.
And then there's the question of the Mac Pro, which should (didn't say will or even might) drop the ODD, too.
I want Apple to pull a G3 iMac with the next Mac Pro. Complete case redesign inside and out, drop all legacy connections (okay, keep PCIe accessible), eight Thunderbolt ports, no optical drives. Make the computers themselves daisy-chainable. You want more power? Buy another computer and plug it in. Your model three years old now? Buy a new model and daisy-chain to the old one. Sure, your power draw goes up appreciably, but you'll have their combined power if you want.
If we see any truly major changes on the mac pro end, Haswell would be about the time i'd expect them given the trend toward lower power consumption and more parts being integrated into the cpu. I don't believe them on laptops. Their marketing guys seem to believe that white papers are intended only for ass wiping. The daisy chaining thing has been done for some time, but it's still annoying to set up. You need some kind of queue management for distributed tasks though, and I don't know how well thunderbolt has been tested as this kind of interconnect. Regardless given the amount of things people expect thunderbolt to do, it really needs more than one port to accommodate stranger setups or situations where placing a display at the end of the chain doesn't work well (some displays haven't even run off it properly).
Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
Some good points. Ivy Bridge is going to really help products like the Mini and the integrated crappics of the Air. There's been some 'reasonable' gaming benchmarks for Ivy Bridge. (It varies according to the game...) Maybe the days of 'sucky' integrated graphics are coming to an end.
With Ivy Bridge being able to driver ever higher resolutions I do wonder about HiDPI Macs arriving eventually... Maybe in 'Macbooks' 1st.
Where you had me really nodding my head was on the iMac G3 comment re: the next Pro. It's due a bit of a kicking. It's about time something on the Mac line took at design beating. Most of the designs are almost Xen like...perfect in a sense.
But the Mac Pro's mandate may well have been overtaken by time. If the Mini and laptops can pack the power they do in such a tiny footprint and the top end iMac pulls around the lower end Mac Pros then it's time for a change. And no face lift either.
Something a bit more compact. Something to appease up all the X-Mac placard wavers. A bit like the king is dead...long live the king.
I hope Apple has something up it's sleeve on this one.
The Pro is a good design. But with no significant changes in nearly a decade that really is taking the p*ss.
Lemon Bon Bon.
With something like a laptop I could see such a change with a generation like Ivy Bridge both to boost sales on a more moderate upgrade generation and to test the setup before Haswell. This places nice selling points on each hardware generation. In a tower especially given that Intel tends to release Xeons later in a year, I wouldn't expect such a thing before Haswell. We're still waiting on Sandy Bridge E which could be partially held up by newer gpus that aren't yet shipping in volume given that Apple will not want to update these at a later time. What's a bit weird is that we went from first or second quarter Xeon releases to a much later release cycle which really made for a drawn out refresh cycle even before some of the delays. I wouldn't expect much of an Ivy Bridge E from Intel before early next year, but I haven't seen their Haswell projections. I don't think they'll make any logic board changes on mac pro logic boards for Ivy Bridge once again, so whatever it is for Sandy Bridge E will carry over to that generation. If you see something refactored, I'd expect it in 2013 to 2014.
Much of what they do is likely to be relative to what Apple feels makes a suitable accompaniment to their idevices. I can remember many people who owned or still own something like a mac pro and a laptop. If the portable device paradigm becomes the ipad, what then becomes a suitable accompanying device? The ipad is nice, but many of its limitations are similar to older laptops. You have a lack of storage space, and what you do have is slow. You lack some of the ports and IO options. It lacks some of the real number crunching ability, and it's still definitely lower on ram which is a more significant issue there given the inability to cache to storage. Okay my post is getting too long.