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Signaling a move away from Google Maps, Apple's new iPhoto for iOS gets some of its mapping data from the OpenStreetMap Foundation.

The foundation revealed that Apple is using its data in a post to its official blog on Thursday. Previously, Apple used Google Maps for its Mac version of iPhoto, as well as the rest of its iOS applications.

"The OSM data that Apple is using is rather old (start of April 2010) so don't expect to see your latest and greatest updates on there," wrote Jonathan Bennett of OpenStreetMap. "It's also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap's contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

But Bennett said the foundation is "delighted" to have Apple make the switch from Google Maps to OpenStreetMap. The blog post suggests that Apple did not speak with the foundation before releasing iPhoto on Wednesday, as Bennett said they were "pleased to find" Apple had switched to OpenStreetMap.

Once iPhoto for iOS was released, users immediately began to notice that the software uses a different style of map that isn't credited to anyone. That's a change from all of Apple's previous iOS devices, which have relied on mapping data from Google Maps.




Apple is still using some data from Google for maps in iPhoto, representatives from the company told John Gruber of Daring Fireball. But the use of OpenStreetMap for the map displays in iPhoto signals a major shift for Apple, as the company is expected to develop its own mapping solutions in the future.

In recent years, Apple had acquired a number of mapping companies, signaling that it intends to move away from its dependence on Google. And a year ago, the company publicly admitted it's building a "crowd-sourced traffic" service for iPhone users.

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Open Street Map needs to take their stuff to vector, for crying out loud.

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Open Street Map needs to take their stuff to vector, for crying out loud.

Yeah, it's not good. I hope Apple isn't planning this for their Google Maps replacement.

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It's not like this will see widespread use, but I agree with others that the map data is poor at best. I tried it with a shot I took yesterday and was thoroughly disappointed in the results. On iPhoto on my mba, it still uses Google's mapping, which is leaps and bounds better. The only thing that bothered me was that the photo showed my location as where my wifi router was inside my condo, not outside where I was in the parking lot. I know this is a google issue, not Apple issue as google has clearly added my router into their location mapping.
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It looks like mapping from the 18th century.
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OpenStreetMap is vector data by its very nature. How it gets rendered is down to the software which makes use of the provided vector data, not the data itself. I'm guessing that the image shown above doesn't make use of the provided data very well at all.

jmgregory - unless your mba has a gps attached chances are that Google will give your location as the location of the router to which you are currently connected - locating a computer as opposed to an iPhone/iPad is pretty much always going to be less accurate due to the limited methods of location available. Having a GPS makes it pretty damn accurate, triangulating cell towers is still pretty good - but if all you have is WiFi, then it's gonna pick your connected router every time.
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I'm willing to bet Maps will be completely revamped in iOS 6, to be previewed at WWDC this summer and soon everyone will forget all about this lol
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OpenStreetMap is vector data by its very nature.

Yes, the streets are. The map very obviously isn't.

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Utterly useless maps. My address does not exist, my street is in the wrong place, 6 of 12 streets in the neighborhood are in the wrong place, there is land and a street shown where, in reality, there is water. This is in a fairly major urban area. The neighborhood was laid out in the 1930's.

This won't last long.
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I'm willing to bet Maps will be completely revamped in iOS 6, to be previewed at WWDC this summer and soon everyone will forget all about this lol

I sure hope so. I thought maybe Apple would demo a new Maps apps on the new iPad because it would look more impressive than on an iPhone, but they can still do that at WWDC for iOS 6.

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OpenStreetMap is editable and utilizes various types of image formats including vector, illustrated maps as well as aerial photography obtained from license free often local sources. It is not one unified format like Google Maps.

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"It's also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap's contributors

Apple being the bullies they are
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Utterly useless maps. My address does not exist, my street is in the wrong place, 6 of 12 streets in the neighborhood are in the wrong place, there is land and a street shown where, in reality, there is water. This is in a fairly major urban area. The neighborhood was laid out in the 1930's.

This won't last long.

You're absolutely right. It won't last long... Because the data set is open and when inaccuracies are identified, someone can step in and fix them. If you have a strong feeling about it, it could be you. Mapping tools are free and available on most platforms - simPle edits can even be done on your phone.
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Apple being the bullies they are

Apple's not but "I' am. Time out for you!
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Utterly useless maps. My address does not exist, my street is in the wrong place, 6 of 12 streets in the neighborhood are in the wrong place, there is land and a street shown where, in reality, there is water. This is in a fairly major urban area. The neighborhood was laid out in the 1930's.

This won't last long.

Instead of complaining about it why don't you register an account and fix it? That's the whole point of OpenStreetMap; I've spent many hours correcting the low-fidelity data in my region.


It's very poor for Apple not to have credited OSM, and the crappy quality raster maps they have used don't show OSM in a very good light, as evidenced by the posts on here. I would assume this is a stop-gap measure until Apples own solution is ready.
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Apple's not but "I' am. Time out for you!

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Apple's not but "I' am. Time out for you!

Wow, finally. Every single one of his posts has been a troll, and his name kind of gives it away too.
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I have a feeling that this is temporary until they have their own maps services up and running later this summer with iOS 6.
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Yes, the streets are. The map very obviously isn't.

They're Apple's map tiles generated from OSM files, at low rez (ironically) and not great.

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They are lovely in their 19th Century charm though!
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Apple's not but "I' am. Time out for you!

Dang, that's a nice quick drop of the hammer. Please wield it more often!
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I have a feeling that this is temporary until they have their own maps services up and running later this summer with iOS 6.

I had never thought about it before seeing OSM maps but visually map images are fugly. I hope (and assume) whatever Apple brings to the table will be more visually appealing.

PS: I wonder if free turn-by-turn courtesy of Siri will accompany their maps.

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Everyone stop complaining. The ugly map is only there for a few weeks until apple announces the new maps they've spent the last 8 years developing.

I know because I see them nearly everyday they will blow google away, and Apple needed to let google know they were switching now or google would have an anti-competitive change with lawsuite when apple switches to beautiful mapping!
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Everyone stop complaining. The ugly map is only there for a few weeks until apple announces the new maps they've spent the last 8 years developing.

For what purpose and to what end? An arbitrary "few weeks from now" instead of 'alongside iOS 6 like every other major feature introduction prior'?

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they will blow google away

Well, yeah, we know that.

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google would have an anti-competitive change with lawsuite when apple switches to beautiful mapping!

No, that's not how that works.

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I'm willing to bet Maps will be completely revamped in iOS 6, to be previewed at WWDC this summer and soon everyone will forget all about this lol

The maps are terrible. If they weren't ready for primetime they should not have switched over to them until they were.

It is unbelievable, and probably a bit telling of the future, when Apple release a new product with its biggest feature being a high res display, alongside something that looks as bad as these maps.

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Apple should consider reinventing the razor blade industry. What is it with all these professional executives who only shave once a week? Is that the new "in" look? If they happened to be standing in line at the bank when a robbery attempt was in progress, the police might think they were part of the heist team.

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Apple should consider reinventing the razor blade industry. What is it with all these professional executives who only shave once a week? Is that the new "in" look? If they happened to be standing in line at the bank when a robbery attempt was in progress, the police might think they were part of the heist team.

Permanent 5-o'clock shadow is a legitimate facial hairstyle and has been for a while now. I do it, just not all over. Clean shave everything but the front, which I keep short.

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OpenStreetMaps states that Apple is using their database originating from April 2010. On 2010-05-12 (not sure if it's December or May) OSM initiated license change from Creative Commons to another type, which would ensure that "everyone will continue using OpenStreetMaps for free".

I'm not a license expert, but the reason behind using old data seems pretty obvious here: Apple chose to use free-no-strings-attached map database as a placeholder until they will roll out their own mapping service.

Can't explain why they avoiding using Google Maps while still providing it in their own Maps app and in their frameworks for the 3rd party app developers though...
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Permanent 5-o'clock shadow is a legitimate facial hairstyle and has been for a while now. I do it, just not all over. Clean shave everything but the front, which I keep short.


That's cool. I'm ok with that look since it is groomed.

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Permanent 5-o'clock shadow is a legitimate facial hairstyle and has been for a while now. I do it, just not all over. Clean shave everything but the front, which I keep short.

I have that look, too, but I do it all over. Let's just say my scrotum is trendy looking. I hope no one takes this post seriously.

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I have that look, too, but I do it all over. Let's just say my scrotum is trendy looking. I hope no one takes this post seriously.

Oh, dear heavens.

"5-o'clock scrotum". That better not catch on.

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Oh, dear heavens.

"5-o'clock scrotum". That better not catch on.

Sounds like the title of a porn movie.

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It looks like mapping from the 18th century.

To go nicely with Apple Contacts, and Calendar \
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To go nicely with Apple Contacts, and Calendar \

That's getting old.

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Oh, dear heavens.

"5-o'clock scrotum". That better not catch on.

Clean shaven 'all' over is the biz. Just go to a high end salon and ask for a 'back, crack and sack' job, and all your hard to reach areas will be all nice and baby like.
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That's getting old.

18th Century?
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Apple's not but "I' am. Time out for you!

Nooooo..... I wanted to add him to my ignore list (along with gator and zither)
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They're Apple's map tiles generated from OSM files, at low rez (ironically) and not great.

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http://alastaira.wordpress.com/2012/...ving-bastards/

They are lovely in their 19th Century charm though!

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I have that look, too, but I do it all over. Let's just say my scrotum is trendy looking. I hope no one takes this post seriously.

I have a whale scrotum bowling ball bag that you're welcome to borrow to complete your ensemble
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Clean shaven 'all' over is the biz. Just go to a high end salon and ask for a 'back, crack and sack' job, and all your hard to reach areas will be all nice and baby like.

I didn't mind the hernia operation...

I didn't mind the shave...

I did mind the way they pulled the skin tight!
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Apple being the bullies they are

Not being bullies, Apple's also not known for crediting properly things without being nicely asked a few more times than strictly necessary. Konqueror, for example.

Also, I seem to remember a certain company pushing "Facetime" and explaining they'd open the standard. i'm still waiting to implement my Linux client :/

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