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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

I have a Samsung phone. It has a retina class AMOLED display behind Gorilla glass. The body is aluminium. The build quality is superb and every bit as good as Apple's. It doesn't copy anything to do with Apple, did stand out, I wanted to buy it and did.

As for copying. At the time of launch it had a message centre, could act as a Wifi hotspot and you could stream media to and from it from DNLA capable devices. Apple's iOS didn't copy these features until about a year later.

And it had a better camera, than any Apple phone until the 4s and better battery life than any Apple phone.

You were saying...

Oh shut up. We all know that today, every smartphone that claims to be a 'modern' smartphone plays in a product space that was created by the iPhone. Everyone else will claim we added this bell and that whistle X months before the iPhone did, but in truth those tweaks were obvious and perfunctory and were just a matter of where the manufacturer is in their product upgrade cycle.

The heavy lifting came in re-imagining what a smartphone should be, and later on, what a tablet computer should be, and those things were ALL DONE EXCLUSIVELY BY APPLE.

Samsung on the other hand is the most shameless copycat of all the major consumer electronics companies. And the sad thing is that given the brain power they obviously possess, they need not be, but they can't help it because they don't have any imagination at all. Which isn't that surprising once you think about it: there is a reason that North Korea is the most regimented society in the whole world. Perhaps throughout all of human history.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Samsung has no choice but to protect its intellectual property.

You mean the "property" it stole from Apple in the first place? Sure it has a right to protect its ill gotten gains.
post #43 of 92
If you can't compete,
if you can't innovate,
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Originally Posted by GregInPrague View Post

It would be helpful if you actually said what model of phone you had so we could compare your statement to actual facts. I think it would be interesting to know what Samsung phone had a "retina class" display in Oct. 2010 or before as you claim (a year before iOS had a message center).

Samsung Wave S8500. 283 ppi - and it was released in April 2010.

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that you don't now what you are talking about.. retina class? are you crazy? do you anything about that?

build quality is superb and samsung in the same sentence? no. samsung quality is "good enough".
what about the OS? are you going to pretend that if feels as fast as a 2year old iphone4?
better battery life? what???

you sir, are crazy.

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It is definitely a good looker, sports a pretty solid metal chassis and is really thin at just 0.43 inches (10.9mm). The in-hand feel of the smartphone is top-notch, thanks to the high-quality materials used and its significant weight....On the whole, the build quality of the Samsung Wave S8500 is great.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sa...-Review_id2452

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The Samsung S8500 Wave is very well built and thats a good way to start. The economic styling befits the slim and solid phone, and the overall feel of the device is sharp and mature. We have no complaints about the controls and handling. And the screen words can hardly describe the difference to regular LCD displays. Its just beautiful simply to look at.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_s850...view-480p2.php

Why shouldn't it feel fast, it has a Hummingbird processor - effectively the same as the A4 - clocked at 1 ghz, not 800 mhz like the iP4. it runs Samsungs Bada OS which is actually quite fast. As for the battery life:

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Samsung S8500 Wave is our new battery life champion...The Bada-running Samsung S8500 Wave withstood so much torture that at one point we were wondering if it would ever die. Well it finally did after 3 and a half days

http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-king-is...life-champion/

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The final verdict is that the iPhone 4 is a pretty good performer. Its score is day shorter than what Galaxy S and Samsung Wave achieved

(Battery life test)

Crazy, eh?

At least I know what I am talking about.
post #45 of 92
Meh?.
post #46 of 92
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

Even if this is the claim, Apple was the first to have a retina display in any mobile device with the iPhone and thus they have a very strong 'prior art' argument. Not to mention that as an Apple supplier, it is not out of the realm of possibility that SameSux's previously announced but not yet released SuperDef screen was 'inspired by' their insider knowledge of Apple's specs

If 301 ppi counts as 'retina', then the Samsung Jet S8000 had one a full year before the iPhone 4. The Jet was released in June 2009 and the display was AMOLED. I have one.

If 283 ppi counts as 'retina', then MY S8500 also pre-dates the iP4 release - by two months.

Prior art my arse.
post #47 of 92
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

Crazy, eh?

At least I know what I am talking about.

No. You know only about your Samsung phone but not the history of the smartphone industry.
post #48 of 92
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Samsung has no choice but to protect its intellectual property.

The words "intellectual" and "Samsung" don't belong in the same sentence
post #49 of 92
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

If 301 ppi counts as 'retina', then the Samsung Jet S8000 had one a full year before the iPhone 4. The Jet was released in June 2009 and the display was AMOLED. I have one.

If 283 ppi counts as 'retina', then MY S8500 also pre-dates the iP4 release - by two months.

Prior art my arse.

Apple don't have a patent on retina displays.
post #50 of 92
Why should I? Because you said so?

I get your point, but there is no need to be facetious about it.

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consider boycotting all electronic goods from Apple, HP, Sony, Verizon, etc.. iPhone is also 25% Samsung (component & price wise).
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post #51 of 92
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

No. You know only about your Samsung phone but not the history of the smartphone industry.

cnocbui was asked about the Samsung smartphone and, accordingly, provided citations to back up earlier claims in this thread.

where, specifically in this thread, was there a discussion / debate about the history of the smartphone industry (which dates back to 1992 with the IBM Simon concept)?
post #52 of 92
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Originally Posted by tooltalk View Post

Judge Annabel's injunction was overturned by a higher court in AU.. She may be just a clueless judge - which may or may not work in Samsung's favor this time around.

However, since she was shot down by both the Appellate Court and the High Court, chances are she isn't going to be so quick to issue another injunction against anyone, Apple or Samsung. Judges don't like having their rulings overturned, since a high record of being overturned can affect judicial assignments, etc.

I can see the ads right now: "The new iPad. The tablet Samsung tried to stop!"
post #53 of 92
Samsung has no choice. It's desperate for a favorable ruling to use as leverage in its royalty negotiations with Apple and sues in the hope of getting some judge to rule in their favor. Samsung's recent suit against Apple in Korea may stir up a nationalistic backlash against Apple. If that happens it's game over for Samsux in the USA.
post #54 of 92
Samsung did this after the iPhone 4S release, and all those suits were dismissed. What could possibly make them think this will work out any differently?
post #55 of 92
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Originally Posted by WardC View Post

It is funny that Samsung are the ones making the Retina display which is used in the new iPad -- they actually make this key part of the device, and they are suing Apple yet again for stealing their ideas....I don't think Samsung has a Retina-display tablet out on the market, and Apple paid Samsung good money for these panels, it was a fair deal.

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post #56 of 92
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Originally Posted by Modena360 View Post

The words "intellectual" and "Samsung" don't belong in the same sentence

2011

Top patent holders (aka intellectual property )

1) IBM
2) Samsung

3) Canon
4) Microsoft
5) Panasonic
6) Toshiba
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39) Apple


http://ificlaims.com/index.php?page=...-announces-top


Want other records for the past 10 years?

Samsung has been on the top 10 list for the past 12 years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ent_recipients

Most of the innovations of Samsung are the things that you cant see with your naked eye.

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post #57 of 92
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

No. You know only about your Samsung phone but not the history of the smartphone industry.

Actually a "Gee, I'm sorry. I didn't know that.", or "Thank you for the refererence. You were right" might be appropriate. Way too many problems and clashes in AI's forums are due to members unable to admit they were wrong and instead just ratcheting up the insults another notch to cover for their errors.

If you make a mistake simply admit it. I do. It keeps the threads moving along instead of being bogged down in misdirection and ad-homs.
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post #58 of 92
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

Oh shut up. We all know that today, every smartphone that claims to be a 'modern' smartphone plays in a product space that was created by the iPhone. Everyone else will claim we added this bell and that whistle X months before the iPhone did, but in truth those tweaks were obvious and perfunctory and were just a matter of where the manufacturer is in their product upgrade cycle.

The heavy lifting came in re-imagining what a smartphone should be, and later on, what a tablet computer should be, and those things were ALL DONE EXCLUSIVELY BY APPLE.

Samsung on the other hand is the most shameless copycat of all the major consumer electronics companies. And the sad thing is that given the brain power they obviously possess, they need not be, but they can't help it because they don't have any imagination at all. Which isn't that surprising once you think about it: there is a reason that North Korea is the most regimented society in the whole world. Perhaps throughout all of human history.

Your argument would've been reasonable up until you mentioned "North Korea".

That was when the words "lol" suddenly came out.

To suddenly associate your neighbors political system having an influence on a commercial entity's innovative thinking is quite laughable.

Is the Mexican political ways having an influence on Apple's thinking? Um...no

Population explosion? Well, that is a another story.

How about the Candians? Wait... what do the Canadians do up there anyway?

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post #59 of 92
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

I have a Samsung phone. It has a retina class AMOLED display behind Gorilla glass. The body is aluminium. The build quality is superb and every bit as good as Apple's. It doesn't copy anything to do with Apple, did stand out, I wanted to buy it and did.

As for copying. At the time of launch it had a message centre, could act as a Wifi hotspot and you could stream media to and from it from DNLA capable devices. Apple's iOS didn't copy these features until about a year later.

And it had a better camera, than any Apple phone until the 4s and better battery life than any Apple phone.

You were saying...

That SAMSUX phones look like cheap feminine grooming devices and feel inexpensively cheap. Having migrated from Android I can say that Android is a complete joke. Multiple battery pulls were the norm. Bluetooth was extremely erratic. Let's see...oh well another re-boot for my Android phone to reset the constantly failing bluetooth. Same reboots and battery pulls to enable erratic GPS Navigation. The apps blow compared to iPhone apps. They were graphically inferior when compared to the iOs version. Software upgrades????? Who the Hell knows if you'll get one or when? Everything is so fragmented that a MOTO has a completely different skin than a HTC for instance. Each manufacturer adds their own piece of crap onto the top of Android along with various BLOATWARE that can't be removed. NO THANKS!! SAMSUX cheap feeling phones combined with half-baked and fragmented Android = EPIC FAIL. Oh yeah.....My iPhone 4S just works ..... as advertised it just flat out works. Bluetooth, GPS and all!!

I guess that's what I was saying....
post #60 of 92
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post #61 of 92
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Yet so far courts have held that they don't have any intellectual property to protect, resulting in not being able to get any injuctions to stick. And to be fair, Apple has had only minor success in blocking stuff too. But the lawyers are sure making out like bandits.\

Now I'm starting to wonder - Samsung has supposedly over 100+K technology patents worldwide (+30+K granted in US alone) and recently announced that they set aside $200M for legal battle against Apple - so where is exactly all that $200M going to? Are they all defensive patents (or FRAND)?
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I would not be surprised if they are thinking of naming a product an 'iSeoul', but I'd suggest an 'r' would be better than an 'i' .

hate to be nitpicky, but Samsung is based in Suwon, South Korea.
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hate to be nitpicky, but Samsung is based in Suwon, South Korea.

Oh well just a bad joke not to worry. By the way you better log on to Wikipedia and correct the page here where they say it was founded in Suwon but the HQ is now Seoul. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Electronics
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post #64 of 92
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

If 301 ppi counts as 'retina', then the Samsung Jet S8000 had one a full year before the iPhone 4. The Jet was released in June 2009 and the display was AMOLED. I have one.

If 283 ppi counts as 'retina', then MY S8500 also pre-dates the iP4 release - by two months.

Prior art my arse.

Not if Apple has detail R&D documentation leading back years/months and those other Samsung products were tossed together weeks before their release (not saying that's how it went down). The key aspect of Apples "retina" display technology is the 4x increase in pixel density which offers the most elegant solution for backwards compatibility with non retina graphics. Specifically the same implementation I suggested, on this very forum, they should adopt many months before Gizmodo got their hands on an iPhone 4 prototype or I even knew there was a possibility of such a display being manufactured.
post #65 of 92
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Way too many problems and clashes in AI's forums are due to members unable to admit they were wrong and instead just ratcheting up the insults another notch to cover for their errors.

i agree.

it has gotten worse over the past year or so. and, it's the same forum members too. there are, however, the small minority of folks that make visiting AI forums worthwhile for several minutes per day.
post #66 of 92
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Are you expecting a serious answer from this guy?

That guy is nothing more than a troll - didn't sign up with AI until 2012 and already has over 700 posts. He always has some little quip to try and stir the pot. I'm sure that he then sits back and gets a kick out of watching people come to Apple's defense. I have just learned to glance at the names on the left-hand side of each post and when I see certain ones, I just skip over them and disregard their posts completely. His is one of them.
post #67 of 92
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That guy is nothing more than a troll - didn't sign up with AI until 2012 and already has over 700 posts.

And, to clarify, he made a new account when we blocked his old one.

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He always has some little quip to try and stir the pot.

I've noticed that recently. His old style of arguing didn't get as much attention. "Which was?" Actually having an argument.

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post #68 of 92
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Originally Posted by nkalu View Post

If you can't compete,
if you can't innovate,
Sue!

you talk'ng about Apple?
post #69 of 92
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Originally Posted by jkichline View Post

And what intellectual property is that exactly?

not for nothing, but it is arguable that Samsung's advances in tech have done more for the smartphone industry (and many other industries) than Apple...

You can argue that Samsung Mobile takes TOO much inspiration from Apple, and I'd agree with that (though they are deviating from that trend) to act like Samsung isn't innovative is ridiculous and patently false...pun intended.
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Originally Posted by Rockarollr View Post

That guy is nothing more than a troll - didn't sign up with AI until 2012 and already has over 700 posts. He always has some little quip to try and stir the pot. I'm sure that he then sits back and gets a kick out of watching people come to Apple's defense. I have just learned to glance at the names on the left-hand side of each post and when I see certain ones, I just skip over them and disregard their posts completely. His is one of them.

if you pay attention to his posts he simply flips arguments made by Apple fans and uses them for other companies as if A is true B is also true in that regard.

he also makes Poe arguments as an Apple fan.
post #71 of 92
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Originally Posted by jdsonice View Post

You mean the "property" it stole from Apple in the first place? Sure it has a right to protect its ill gotten gains.

You're just repeating crap you read before in an appleinsider article or heard on an Apple keynote. You really should consider broadening your sources.

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Not if Apple has detail R&D documentation leading back years/months and those other Samsung products were tossed together weeks before their release (not saying that's how it went down). The key aspect of Apples "retina" display technology is the 4x increase in pixel density which offers the most elegant solution for backwards compatibility with non retina graphics. Specifically the same implementation I suggested, on this very forum, they should adopt many months before Gizmodo got their hands on an iPhone 4 prototype or I even knew there was a possibility of such a display being manufactured.

Don't drink the kool-aid. Bumping display resolution was never anything new. Going to 4x is just a way of avoiding difficult programming and shoving the problem on a hardware supplier instead. It also takes time to put together something like a phone including potentially many rounds of prototyping especially with heat management on a densely packed display which is a huge consideration for LED given the issues with heat and color stability there. It's not something you throw together.
post #72 of 92
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Originally Posted by WardC View Post

They don't have a Life, they only have a Seoul.

A Seoul of the "R" variety, and their head is jammed up there good!
post #73 of 92
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Originally Posted by calpilot7 View Post

That SAMSUX phones look like cheap feminine grooming devices and feel inexpensively cheap. Having migrated from Android I can say that Android is a complete joke. Multiple battery pulls were the norm. Bluetooth was extremely erratic. Let's see...oh well another re-boot for my Android phone to reset the constantly failing bluetooth. Same reboots and battery pulls to enable erratic GPS Navigation. The apps blow compared to iPhone apps. They were graphically inferior when compared to the iOs version. Software upgrades????? Who the Hell knows if you'll get one or when? Everything is so fragmented that a MOTO has a completely different skin than a HTC for instance. Each manufacturer adds their own piece of crap onto the top of Android along with various BLOATWARE that can't be removed. NO THANKS!! SAMSUX cheap feeling phones combined with half-baked and fragmented Android = EPIC FAIL. Oh yeah.....My iPhone 4S just works ..... as advertised it just flat out works. Bluetooth, GPS and all!!

I guess that's what I was saying....

Did you have a Motorola? Or was it an LG?
post #74 of 92
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Apple's iPhone was the first smartphone with a touch-screen display



How about:

1992


This came out in 2003, with a similar form to modern smartphones


LG's Prada, which was announced before the iPhone.


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There were many other things about the iPhone that were unique and have been 'copied' in other Android-based phones, but the multitouch touchscreen panel is the most obvious and blatant violation of Apple's patent on this technology.

Apple didn't invent the touchscreen, and has no patents for the screen itself. Apple has also been unable to assert its patents for multitouch.
post #75 of 92
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How about:

1992


This came out in 2003, with a similar form to modern smartphones


LG's Prada, which was announced before the iPhone.




Apple didn't invent the touchscreen, and has no patents for the screen itself. Apple has also been unable to assert its patents for multitouch.

By touch he means capacitive AND multitouch.

A resistive stylus requiring screen isn't really a TOUCH screen as you don't touch it, the stylus does.
post #76 of 92
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

2011

Top patent holders (aka intellectual property )

1) IBM
2) Samsung

3) Canon
4) Microsoft
5) Panasonic
6) Toshiba
.
.
.
.
39) Apple


http://ificlaims.com/index.php?page=...-announces-top


Want other records for the past 10 years?

Samsung has been on the top 10 list for the past 12 years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ent_recipients

Most of the innovations of Samsung are the things that you cant see with your naked eye.

That's rather a pointless comparison.

Apple's patents are all in the area of consumer electronics or related fields. Samsung's patents cover everything from consumer electronics to home appliances to heavy equipment.

Furthermore, it is pretty clear that the number of patents is not a good predictor of the level of innovation. While Apple doesn't lead the industry in number of patents, it's pretty clear that they lead the industry in innovation.
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post #77 of 92
Samsung is so clueless.

In response to Apple's new iPad, Samsung sent a response around saying that their product is better for content creation. But instead of comparing the iPad to the Tab, they used the 5" Note for comparison. Apparently, they think the Tab isn't good enough to be compared to the iPad.

So we're supposed to believe that the tiny Note is better for content creation than the new iPad because it has a stylus and can have two apps side-by-side? Ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

That's rather a pointless comparison.

Apple's patents are all in the area of consumer electronics or related fields. Samsung's patents cover everything from consumer electronics to home appliances to heavy equipment.

And that isnt "innovation" in your eye? Please. Talk about double standard.

Most of Apple's "innovation" are tangible and easy to see with the naked eyes.

The innovations that Samsung and many of the top ten companies on the list are intangible (at least spacially) and not seen with the naked eye.

I still stand by meter stick that # of patents = innovations.

Patents = unique, never before seen innovations/thinking.

Therefore, the larger the number , the greater your "innovation".

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Furthermore, it is pretty clear that the number of patents is not a good predictor of the level of innovation. While Apple doesn't lead the industry in number of patents, it's pretty clear that they lead the industry in innovation.

Read that statement again. You havent raised a decent argument with that statement. What is "pretty clear"? Nothing "clear" to me. Where do you see this "clear" thing?

What yardstick do YOU use to compare Apple's innovation vs Samsung's innovation?

Is the "innovation" you speak of, taking others investment, aggregating it into one product and branding it with a catchy name with an even catchier marketing plan?

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So we're supposed to believe that the tiny Note is better for content creation than the new iPad because it has a stylus and can have two apps side-by-side? Ridiculous.

From a content CREATION point of view, Apple's iPad doesnt have much in multi tasking or new forms of input. The ability to truly multitask is something that would improve productivity tremendously. Dont know if you even work in a cubicle but 2 is always better than one. As an example, our office has upgraded from single monitor to a dual monitor for multitasking. Our productivity has improved some 20% just from the new installation. New forms of input? Why not? Not everyone is good with their fingers.

Answer me this: What makes the iPad better at content creation? What attribute about it does it trump the Galaxy Note?

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Samsung is so clueless.

In response to Apple's new iPad, Samsung sent a response around saying that their product is better for content creation. But instead of comparing the iPad to the Tab, they used the 5" Note for comparison. Apparently, they think the Tab isn't good enough to be compared to the iPad.

So we're supposed to believe that the tiny Note is better for content creation than the new iPad because it has a stylus and can have two apps side-by-side? Ridiculous.

They'e comparing the new iPad to the Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, not the over-sized Note smartphone. Yes, the name can make it confusing.
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/0...son-breakdown/
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

They'e comparing the new iPad to the Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, not the over-sized Note smartphone. Yes, the name can make it confusing.
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/0...son-breakdown/

Sorry, one of the articles I read referred specifically to the 5" screen and showed a picture of the 5" Note.

Since they're talking about the Note 10.1, let's do a real comparison:

- Thickness - Note wins by a meagre 0.5 mm
- Screen resolution - iPad wins (2048x1536 vs 1280x800)
- Communications - Ipad wins with LTE vs HSPA+
- Camera - iPad wins with state of the art 5 MP camera vs generic 3 MP camera
- Case - iPad wins with high quality aluminum vs Note's cheap plastic
- Software - Apple's App Store is widely recognized as being far superior
- Price - iPad wins at $499 for base WiFi model vs $599 estimated price for Samsung base model
- Tech support - Apple has the best in the industry

And, of course, the Note doesn't even have a formal ship date so you can't even order one yet even if you were crazy enough to want one.

But the Note is superior because it has a stylus.
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