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Despite being labeled a '4G LTE-capable' device, Apple's third generation iPad will likely be incompatible with the radio frequencies supporting the wireless technology outside of the U.S. and Canada.

When Apple took the wraps off the new iPad on Wednesday, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller announced that the company is currently working with North American telecoms that support the LTE standard, meaning that upon launch the device may not be compatible with other countries' 4G frequencies.

On Apple's international websites, the iPad Wi-Fi + 4G model is advertised as being LTE-capable, though reading the fine print reveals that the radio bands supported by the device are not the same as those used outside of North America.

As noted in the footnotes of the iPad's tech specs page:

4G LTE supported on AT&T and Verizon networks in the US; Bell, Rogers and Telus networks in Canada. 4G data plan is sold separately.
The iPad with Wi-Fi + 4G model you purchase is configured to work with a particular mobile network technology. Check with your carrier for compatibility and 4G data plan availability.

According to Apple U.K.'s info page, the new iPad will support the 700MHz and 2100MHz LTE bands found in the stateside AT&T version, which don't match the 800MHz, 1800MHz and 2600MHz LTE bands being rolled out across Europe.


iPad tech specs from Apple's U.K. webpage. | Source: Apple


In a recent report, AnandTech discovered that the new iPad uses Qualcomm's MDM9600 baseband chip which supports UE Category 3 LTE, CDMA2000 1x/EVDO Rev.A (and B), GSM/EDGE, and WCDMA/HSPA+ to DC-HSPA+ 42 Mbps.

If Apple decides to stick with the Qualcomm part over the lifetime of the new iPad, European users hoping to use LTE will likely be relegated to roam on AT&T's LTE network during trips.

Interestingly, Japan's iPad Wi-Fi + 4G model doesn't even have LTE support, with bands only going up to DC-HSDPA.


Apple exec Phil Schiller speaks about the new iPad's LTE capabilities. | Source: Apple


Making the situation more confusing is Apple's description of what qualifies as 3G. On its U.K. page, the company lists HSPA, HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA as 3G technologies, however the recent iOS 5.1 rollout changed the "3G" icon on iPhone 4S units operating on AT&T's HSDPA network to read "4G."

Schiller noted during Wednesday's special event that while 4G LTE bands differ from country to country, they will likely follow the path of 3G and unify at some point. Until that time, however, Apple will be forced to make separate models to support the different LTE frequencies, which is why the AT&T version is incompatible with Verizon's. This holds true for LTE bands worldwide.

It is unclear whether new partnerships will result in the deployment of new international LTE-capable versions of the iPad, though Apple is said to be working on deals with a number of telecoms to get the ball rolling.

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And here I thought LTE would help unify things. Silly me.

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This makes me so furious, I can't even express it. Of all the things that No, no, I'm not.

On to a better topic: Who else thinks that the Apple TV 3 and iPad 3 both have 802.11ac chips with that protocol currently disabled? I certainly do.
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And here I thought LTE would help unify things. Silly me.

I have a new iPad coming, and will take the sim from my grandfathered unlimited iPad (ATT service). Now how will i know if i am really 4G, when my current 4S says 4G, but my current ipad 2 is still 3G? Will my new iPad say 3G or 4G if i use grandfathered plan?
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I have a new iPad coming, and will take the sim from my grandfathered unlimited iPad (ATT service). Now how will i know if i am really 4G, when my current 4S says 4G, but my current ipad 2 is still 3G? Will my new iPad say 3G or 4G if i use grandfathered plan?

I'd just use the SpeedTest.net app. >10Mbps = likely LTE.
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As I understand it, the article is correct in that there are different LTE standards in Europe/Asia that are not compatible with N American standards.

However, the 3G-GSM supported by AT&T in USA is the same as GSM in Europe, Australia, etc and that is supported by both the Verizon and AT&T versions. So you won't be able to run LTE, but you will be able to pick up a SIM in any AT&T compatible country and run off a short-term data plan while you are traveling.

Spoken from a live-in-America perspective.

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This makes me so furious, I can't even express it. Of all the things that No, no, I'm not.

On to a better topic: Who else thinks that the Apple TV 3 and iPad 3 both have 802.11ac chips with that protocol currently disabled? I certainly do.

Welcome to signal fragmentation. We went from 3-4 primary 2G frequencies, to 4-5 primary 3G frequencies, to at least 5 and likely 7 or more primary LTE/4G frequencies.

I'm guessing that's why Apple added DC-HSDPA support (the iPhone 4S has only basic 14.4 HSPA+ support). That is what is being rolled out in most of Europe first, and it can be just as fast or faster than early LTE implementations.

North American telcos are a bit ahead of the game in terms of LTE (unlike with 3G last decade), primarily out of necessity.
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I hope.
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Note also that while the AT&T model lists both 700 and 2100MHz frequencies, the Verizon one only lists 700:

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

('Wireless and Cellular" section)

There only seems to be one 4G model sold in Canada, same as the AT&T one:

http://www.apple.com/ca/ipad/specs/


So I'd guess that either some of the Canadian networks use the 2100 band, or that Apple are mostly making the non-CDMA version to be sold globally.

Speculation: the shortages of the AT&T version might be more to do with that model's worldwide popularity than AT&T outselling Verizon in the US ;-)
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I have a new iPad coming, and will take the sim from my grandfathered unlimited iPad (ATT service). Now how will i know if i am really 4G, when my current 4S says 4G, but my current ipad 2 is still 3G? Will my new iPad say 3G or 4G if i use grandfathered plan?

You're 4G if the carrier says your 4G. It's a marketing term, nothing else.

How will you know you're using LTE and not HSPA+? You can check the throughput and latency but this just tells you if you're not on HSPA+, not if you're on LTE as your LTE might be crap for a variety of reasons.

But I wonder why one has to know. WCDMA is 3G. That's 384Kbps. Should HSPA+ (which is define by the ITU as 4G) still register as 3G when it's Category 10 at 14.4Mbps? That's a huge jump in performance. It's much larger percentage jump than 14.4Mps to 73Mbps for LTE.

And to make matters worse, despite what the ITU defined people are still holding onto the ITU's old definition like a German U-boat thinking the war isn't over. Does calling 384Kbps and 73MBps all within the realm of 3G makes sense? I don't see how.

The bottom line is customers don't care about some underlying technology, they only care about the user experience which in this case is the speed of the network. At 14.4MBps HSPA+'s max theoretical speed is at least a one generation bump over the previous generation from the user's perspective... and the ITU's as of 2010.

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As I understand it, the article is correct in that there are different LTE standards in Europe/Asia that are not compatible with N American standards.

Isn't the issue that there are different standards in N America which aren't compatible with those used anywhere else in the world?
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Welcome to signal fragmentation. We went from 3-4 primary 2G frequencies, to 4-5 primary 3G frequencies, to at least 5 and likely 7 or more primary LTE/4G frequencies.

This might get worse. I know AT&T is starting to prepare for GSM-only devices to be removed from their network so they can snag the spectrum. I think that is 800 and 1900MHz.

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You're 4G is the carrier says your 4G. It's a marketing term, nothing else.

Reminds me of the whole time Verizon didnt have the iPhone, and bombarded us with ads saying they had had better 3G coverage than AT&T... even though Verizons 3G at the time was more equivalent to AT&Ts 2G/EDGE (in speed, coverage area, and lack of simultaneous voice and data).

Yet Verizon marketing could call it 3G because technically it was third generation. Very misleading.

At least calling non-LTE 4G can be both true technically AND offer better speeds than 3G! Not quite as misleading, especially when the iPhone 4S has been getting speeds equal to many LTE phones (and without LTE battery drain).
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This is a total cluster - government regulatory bodies need to get their heads out of their butts and get this mess straightened out quickly as they have screwed consumers with their moronic greedy and over-priced auctions of various bandwidths without consideration of final costs to consumers as well as the cluster fk of incompatible frequencies.

Apple also needs to do a better job of communicating the limitations of the products sold in each country. Why in the world would they be selling a LTE version in the UK that won't work on their home LTE network. This makes no sense and the lack of clarity opens them up to consumer confusion and disappointment.
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I have a new iPad coming, and will take the sim from my grandfathered unlimited iPad (ATT service). Now how will i know if i am really 4G, when my current 4S says 4G, but my current ipad 2 is still 3G? Will my new iPad say 3G or 4G if i use grandfathered plan?

Based on the pictures on Apple.com, it would seem that "3G" or "4G" next to the signal meter will show "LTE" when appropriate.
(There are screen-pics on the site showing "LTE" as the signal type.)
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Reminds me of the whole time Verizon didn’t have the iPhone, and bombarded us with ads saying they had had better “3G” coverage than AT&T... even though Verizon’s “3G” at the time was more equivalent to AT&T’s “2G”/EDGE (in speed, coverage area, and lack of simultaneous voice and data).

Verizon's largest 3G network v. AT&T's fastest 3G network. I guess the reason no one throw a fit over Verizon's 3G starting with "data speeds of up to 153 kbit/s with real world data transmission averaging 60–100 kbit/s" when AT&T's EDGE maxing out at 473.6 kbps is because there was no iDevice involved for people to care about it. If a Zune falls in a warehouse and there is no one around to give a damn does it make a sound?


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Based on the pictures on Apple.com, it would seem that "3G" or "4G" next to the signal meter will show "LTE" when appropriate.
(There are screen-pics on the site showing "LTE" as the signal type.)

Yep, you're right. About halfway down on this page: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/

edit: On the UK page that same image makes no mention of LTE. It even replaces LTE in the menu bar with 3G: http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/features/

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Based on the pictures on Apple.com, it would seem that "3G" or "4G" next to the signal meter will show "LTE" when appropriate.
(There are screen-pics on the site showing "LTE" as the signal type.)

Thank you, hope that's a what happens.
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Note also that while the AT&T model lists both 700 and 2100MHz frequencies, the Verizon one only lists 700:

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

('Wireless and Cellular" section)

Interestingly, the Verizon model supports the 2100 MHz frequency, just not for LTE.

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Isn't the issue that there are different standards in N America which aren't compatible with those used anywhere else in the world?

It's not so much the standards which are different as it is the available frequencies in various parts of the world are different. This was even the case for GSM back in the day, even though many people think GSM is the same world-wide. I used to have a GSM phone from a US carrier which wasn't compatible with GSM networks anywhere else in the world because they were on different frequencies. The phone manufacturers "solved" this by building quad-band phones which had the two frequencies used by Cingular/ATT in the US and the two used by the rest of the world (note the 4 GSM frequencies listed on the iPad specs page).
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This is a total cluster - government regulatory bodies need to get their heads out of their butts and get this mess straightened out quickly as they have screwed consumers with their moronic greedy and over-priced auctions of various bandwidths without consideration of final costs to consumers as well as the cluster fk of incompatible frequencies.

Apple also needs to do a better job of communicating the limitations of the products sold in each country. Why in the world would they be selling a LTE version in the UK that won't work on their home LTE network. This makes no sense and the lack of clarity opens them up to consumer confusion and disappointment.

Where's the like button n this thing?
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This is a total cluster - government regulatory bodies need to get their heads out of their butts and get this mess straightened out quickly as they have screwed consumers with their moronic greedy and over-priced auctions of various bandwidths without consideration of final costs to consumers as well as the cluster fk of incompatible frequencies.

Apple also needs to do a better job of communicating the limitations of the products sold in each country. Why in the world would they be selling a LTE version in the UK that won't work on their home LTE network. This makes no sense and the lack of clarity opens them up to consumer confusion and disappointment.



I'm with you. Ordered mine WiFi + 4G yesterday thinking it would be compatible with EverythingEverywhere? (or whatever, those silly T-Mobile/Orange name) planned aggresive rollout of LTE but

They all think their standard/tech is superior than everyone else, don't they? Why don't they get it unified. Those regulator need to pull their head of their asses.
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I decided to avoid the whole frequency mess and get the WiFi model with 64GB. I figure the money saved from not buying LTE got me more memory storage. Besides it'll be years for Verizon to get LTE to my neck of rural cow country. And if I decide to go travel abroad, a soft cover crossword book will do just fine.

btw: On an OT comment. It's a shame that AI thinks it need 10 tracking companies, 3 marketing tracking companies, and 3 social networking tracking elements on this article's page. I wonder what else of our data is AI making money from.
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I have iPad 2 adjacent iPhone 4S, on AT&T in north east USA.
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I only caught the Engadget and Ars liveblogs, but I thought this was all made pretty clear during the keynote. 4G LTE, with international 3G support via HPSA/HSPA+/DC-HSPA.

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This is a total cluster - government regulatory bodies need to get their heads out of their butts and get this mess straightened out quickly as they have screwed consumers with their moronic greedy and over-priced auctions of various bandwidths without consideration of final costs to consumers as well as the cluster fk of incompatible frequencies.

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Apple also needs to do a better job of communicating the limitations of the products sold in each country. Why in the world would they be selling a LTE version in the UK that won't work on their home LTE network. This makes no sense and the lack of clarity opens them up to consumer confusion and disappointment.

I'm surprised they aren't marketing a separate European LTE iPad. If they can build a separate "The new iPad (TM)" with EV-DO Rev. A support for Verizon 3G, why couldn't they use a similar Qualcomm chip to support European 800MHz, 1800MHz, and 2600MHz LTE bands.

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The Hong Kong Apple Online Store only allows the option to pre-order the WIFI model of the NEW iPad...Is this because 4G isn't compatible here too? Hong Kong has always sold the 3G iPad alongside the Wifi only version.

So how now Apple? What if we want to buy a 3G Compatible NEW iPad?
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I'm surprised they aren't marketing a separate European LTE iPad. If they can build a separate "The new iPad (TM)" with EV-DO Rev. A support for Verizon 3G, why couldn't they use a similar Qualcomm chip to support European 800MHz, 1800MHz, and 2600MHz LTE bands.

The Verizon iPad doens't look like a new iPad, it's just that the baseband firmware is flashed for Verizon's network. They may ship with different modules and power amplifiers but they are essentially the same chip. Does the MDM9600 even support LTE for those spectrums? IF it does then you have to wonder why Apple couldn't include all of them or why they choose to exclude some of them. It seems like a lot of the EU only has the promise of LTE at this time. Perhaps the few market and users just didn't warrant the effort in 2012.

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LTE is a bit too cutting edge right now and not very established so I don't mind lack of international compatibility.

I don't think LTE is attractive at all right now. It reminds me of how telcos sold data before the first iPhone. So expensive that you couldn't really utilize 3G speeds without breaking the bank. Then the iPhone (I know, not 3G) came along with unlimited data, then the iPhone 3G(s) with either unlimited data or at least semi-reasonable 3GB, $10/GB limits, which allows for nice web browsing and radio streaming.

But what do people do with LTE? Pay $40 in overage fees for each HD movie? I mean, I have a good salary but I definitely don't want to pay so much money for content that requires LTE speeds. So video is out. Maybe people use it for a few high res photos in e-mails (like in Apple's keynote example)? I don't know if that is a killer app for LTE. What is the killer app for LTE, anyways? I though video but at those prices, good luck!
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Reminds me of the whole time Verizon didnt have the iPhone, and bombarded us with ads saying they had had better 3G coverage than AT&T... even though Verizons 3G at the time was more equivalent to AT&Ts 2G/EDGE (in speed, coverage area, and lack of simultaneous voice and data).

Yet Verizon marketing could call it 3G because technically it was third generation. Very misleading.

Utter nonsense. There is no technical reason or misleading marketing involved. CDMA EVDO was accepted by the ITU as meeting the requirements for a 3G technology, plain and simple. In 2007 Verizon (and Sprint too actually) had Rev A up and running (max 3.1 down 1.8 up) and the best Cingular could do under HSDPA (3G) was 3.6 down and .375 up. (pre HUSPA) Ha. The difference with time? GSM has had several significant 3G upgrades where CDMA has had one, that no one used. EVDO-Rev B would take it to 14.1 and bring simultaneous voice and data but Verizon nixed it with the kickoff to LTE transition.
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post #28 of 89
Personally, i'm glad I'm not investing in the new iPad. That LTE stuff just sounds way too confusing and the rest of the new features are a nice to have not a need to have. I'm perfectly happy with my iPad 2. My iPad doesn't work overseas either on 3G Data...the Apple Store in Beijing told me it was locked down to AT&T so i'm in the same boat either way.

They really need to get some unification world-wide ASAP! it's ridiculous to think that you have to pay carrier's roaming data fees just to get mobile data. When I looked at AT&T's data roaming fees i thought, "why bother even offering this service for those fees?" It's just a huge cluster-f*ck. I travel to China 50% of the year for work so from my POV, this needs to happen soon.
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I only caught the Engadget and Ars liveblogs, but I thought this was all made pretty clear during the keynote. 4G LTE, with international 3G support via HPSA/HSPA+/DC-HSPA.


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I'm surprised they aren't marketing a separate European LTE iPad. If they can build a separate "The new iPad (TM)" with EV-DO Rev. A support for Verizon 3G, why couldn't they use a similar Qualcomm chip to support European 800MHz, 1800MHz, and 2600MHz LTE bands.

It would require more parts. If you look at all of Verizon's other devices (including the MiFi devices) they're all the same bands as the Verizon LTE iPad.

In North America, LTE/UMTS is marketed as a mobile-phone technology only, where as in Europe it's marketed more like ADSL... as far as I can make sense of the Vodaphone Germany page. Maybe (Apple) expects that Users will use WiFi at home to use their home based LTE, and not be popping the sim card out to go outside.

I know Rogers in Canada lets you share the data pool between your phone and other wireless devices, on separate sim cards, so that is within reason too.
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Utter nonsense. There is no technical reason or misleading marketing involved. CDMA EVDO was accepted by the ITU as meeting the requirements for a 3G technology, plain and simple. In 2007 Verizon (and Sprint too actually) had Rev A up and running (max 3.1 down 1.8 up) and the best Cingular could do under HSDPA (3G) was 3.6 down and .375 up. (pre HUSPA) Ha. The difference with time? GSM has had several significant 3G upgrades where CDMA has had one, that no one used. EVDO-Rev B would take it to 14.1 and bring simultaneous voice and data but Verizon nixed it with the kickoff to LTE transition.

He didn't say that CDMA2000 wasn't 3G he was noting the marketing differences between the speeds. 3G on Verizon started at 153Kbps with Cingular's 2G being 3x as fast. They accurately though misleadingly claimed the largest 3G network just a AT&T accurately though misleadingly claimed the fastest 3G network.

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I am thinking about purchasing an iPad for my mom (87) in the Netherlands, but just a WiFi version. To get connection I plan to get a MiFi that handles local frequencies (preferable 4G, or else just 3G). With that setup I will not have to worry about connectivity and it is probably a cheaper solution.
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You're 4G is the carrier says your 4G. It's a marketing term, nothing else.

How will you know you're using LTE and not HSPA+? .


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How will you know you're using LTE and not HSPA+? You can check the throughput and latency but this just tells you if you're not on HSPA+, not if you're on LTE as your LTE might be crap for a variety of reasons.

Not exactly what you were asking, but the best thing about the iOS 5.1 update was that I can now confirm that I only get the slower "3G" HSPA (and not the so-called "4G" HSPA+) at home and work on my 3GS.

That tells me a lot about the value proposition of opting for the Verizon "The new iPad (TM)" over the AT&T version.

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Maybe there will be an app for that.

You do know the status bar says "LTE" for an LTE connection?

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Not exactly what you were asking, but the best thing about the iOS 5.1 update was that I can now confirm that I only get the slower "3G" HSPA (and not the so-called "4G" HSPA+) at home and work on my 3GS.

That tells me a lot about the value proposition of opting for the Verizon "The new iPad (TM)" over the AT&T version.

You lost me there. Are you using your 3GS to determine if you have HSPA+ (aka: 4G) at home or work? If so, note that HSPA+ is only available on the iPhone 4S.

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Sorry I did not read the entire thread yet but...

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You do know the status bar says "LTE" for an LTE connection?

Correct. The status bar will say 4G when on HSPA+ but will indicate LTE when available.

@some other poster : No you do not take your old 3G sim out of your old iPad and put it in you new 3rd Gen iPad. You need to contact AT&T and they will convert your unlimited data plan to the new chip if that didn't happen during the purchase process which it should have. The LTE chip gracefully falls back to 3G when necessary and will roam as it did before. Additionally you can install a 3G chip from a different local carrier when traveling abroad on GSM networks. If they have compatible 4G that will activate automatically as well.

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I cannot even begin to tell you how upset I am by this. I was so looking forward to switching to 4g. It truly was the "Must Buy" feature for me.

I cannot believe that America... with its pathetic wireless services gets this when European countries are so much better positioned.

I was even willing to overlook the "slow" 4G speed cap on the iPad.... which caps out at 30Mb/s below our normal 4G speeds.

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EMT Internet L+4G\t\tup to 12 Mbit/s\tup to 4 Mbit/s\t\tUnlimited*\t16,62\t19,94
EMT Internet XL+4G\t\tup to 50 Mbit/s\tup to 10 Mbit/s\tUnlimited*\t24,96\t29,95
EMT Internet 4G\t\tup to 100 Mbit/s\tup to 50 Mbit/s\tUnlimited*\t29,12\t34,94


My Message to Apple.... You BETTER remove the "4G" label of the iPad for the EU.... because its NOT 4G. America can put a 4G label on 3G services and the FCC/FTC could find that perfectly okay... but here in Europe we have stringent acceptance of what the truth is!

(I guess this is one situation where you really feel the pinch of being an Expat).
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I cannot even begin to tell you how upset I am by this. I was so looking forward to switching to 4g. It truly was the "Must Buy" feature for me.

I cannot believe that America... with its pathetic wireless services gets this when European countries are so much better positioned.

I was even willing to overlook the "slow" 4G speed cap on the iPad.... which caps out at 30Mb/s below our normal 4G speeds.

My Message to Apple.... You BETTER remove the "4G" label of the iPad for the EU.... because its NOT 4G. America can put a 4G label on 3G services and the FCC/FTC could find that perfectly okay... but here in Europe we have stringent acceptance of what the truth is!

(I guess this is one situation where you really feel the pinch of being an Expat).

What country do you live in that claims HSPA+ is not 4G?

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post #39 of 89
The online Apple store Japan doesn't show the 4G LTE new iPad, instead it has a link to SoftBank only. Nothing for Docomo nor KDDI au
I think we will have 3G access only
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What country do you live in that claims HSPA+ is not 4G?

That would be Estonia. Our HSPA is running at 21.6Mb/s. Here is the Tech separation that our provider has.

https://www.emt.ee/en/web/www/firmas...line-vorguinfo

Click on the "User Interface Specifications in AS EMT Public mobile Network"
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