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post #281 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

They probably want 75% of the tablet market - something like the iPod market, and something they can easily achieve.

I am tired of this kind of argument, Apple is not for the rich. It is not even just for the middle class. The iPad is cheap. The iPad 2 is cheaper. There is no cheaper 10" model, and since the cost of screens is a large issue, there won't be, unless the Kindle 10" is way subsidised.

This is by far the best argument I have seen on the issue.

http://www.slate.com/articles/techno..._success_.html

What's your definition of cheap? The iPad is more expensive than most laptops.
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post #282 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:46pm
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a truck is not a car.

Still not going to stop me from hauling around a sofa on it. I'll just strap it to the roof instead of throwing it in the back. I can survive just fine with one device, that's one of the great things about having a open source OS, I can always figure out how to make it work for me.
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post #283 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by MacQuest View Post

Hehe...

Macrumos forum member nails "iPad" in 2003.
http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/commen..._ipad_in_2003/

Here's an earlier and better prediction from 2003:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/...C/t-23590.html

Here's someone else from August of last year writing about those 2003 predictions:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...ight=macquest+


Uh I don't think there is anyone on this planet that's saying that by Apple just calling it iPad and not iPad 3 will bring doom upon the house of Apple. That's just silly, even the biggest hater knows Apple will sell bagillion of these things.
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post #284 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by JJJameson View Post

So that means all of these laptops are toys because they are also sold at Toys R Us?

American kids are obviously richer than British kids.
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post #285 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

That's the thing about customers who don't buy your product. You don't see them! Did Apple call you after you ordered a Dell and ask why you didn't come to them? If there was no Kindle Fire, and no other competing tablet on the market, do you really think that Apple wouldn't have sold more iPads?

Yeah, that's how you know the Fire is taking iPad customers.

My clients (I'm in the computer support business) choose between iPad and Kindle all the time. While I recommend iPad generally, if they are buying it for a 8 year old, or 3 of them, and $1500 is a lot of money, I won't discourage them from the Kindle fire. If the Fire didn't exist, I would tell them just buy an iPad for the family and keep it well protected.

That's a lost sale, and I'm PRETTY sure my clients aren't the only outliers who consider the extra $400 investment to be difficult.

Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.

While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.

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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

What? You are joking? Why do you think they kept the iPad 2 and lowered the price.

What makes you think they did it to compete with the Fire? Maybe they're competing with the other tablets?

In fact, Apple publicly stated that they're NOT competing with the Fire. I'll believe Apple before you, thank you.
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post #286 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

the cost, as I pointed out - the main part of my argument - is not £659 for a new model but £200. Once you trade the old one.

Who is going to give me £459 for my old iPad 2 when you can buy a new one for £329 albeit with less memory.
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post #287 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

I use my computer probably 10 hours a day. I would go cross eyed looking at a 10" screen for that length of time day after day.

Second point - I usually have at least 5 applications running on my computer at the same so I can flip between them quickly. When you can do that on an iPad come back and tell me how it's an alternative to the Mac/PC for people who use their computer for more than pissing about on the internet, email and watching TV.

Some businesses are not well suited to be handled with only an iPad. Others perhaps are. I'm like you in that I need a lot more granular control over my applications and computer. The iPad has copy and paste but it is far from efficient enough for seamless multitasking. Sometimes depending on the length or structure of a paragraph you simply cannot copy the text you want no matter how hard you try. That kind of clumsy interface issue is emblematic of how inefficient the iPad actually is for quick concise complex actions even if it is a rather mundane text handling task. The iPad is adequate for casual browsing and emailing but really a chore when trying accomplish much else from a business perspective.

Sure there are specialized apps for reading x-rays or trading stocks but even specialized apps have their compromises and are usually a shell of the feature set on a full desktop app.

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post #288 of 423
3/11/12 at 5:59pm
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No, technically, market share is measured when a product is purchased by a consumer.

Interesting...

Analysts quote "shipments" for the quarter... because manufacturers rarely provide a definite number of sales to consumers. The manufacturers usually talk about "channel shipments" whenever they issue a press release.

So where is this market share data coming from?

If I wanted to know how many Xyboards that Motorola sold to consumers last quarter... where can I find this information?

And Amazon NEVER shares its sales data at all...

Where exactly can I read about each manufacturers' sales to consumers?

If you're right... and market share is, in fact, the number of tablets purchased by the consumer... I'd like to see each and every Android tablet manufacturer publish their end-user sales numbers.

I haven't yet seen enough data to show that 39% of tablets sold to consumers last quarter were Android tablets...


EDIT: SolipsismX below has some insight. "Market share" is any and all units on the market... sold or unsold.

The correct term for the number of units purchased by consumers is "installed base"
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post #289 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

Great, you have your device. Each to his own but don't put people down for just using their devices how they want to.

I didn't think I was putting anyone down. If you're offended I'm sorry.
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post #290 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by MacQuest View Post

What's in a name?

I know you're talking about "the new iPad" name used for (who would've guessed?) the new iPad, but just for kicks...

Macrumos forum member nails "iPad" in 2003:
http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/commen..._ipad_in_2003/

Here's an earlier and better prediction from 2003:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/...C/t-23590.html

Here's someone else from August of last year writing about those 2003 predictions:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...ight=macquest+


That last link includes include a link to an even earlier citation for the name "iPad", an April Fools post linking to a nonexistent Apple "iPad" page. Except-- that link now goes to Apple's iPad page for the actual iPad. Weird!
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post #291 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Some businesses are not well suited to be handled with only an iPad. Others perhaps are. I'm like you in that I need a lot more granular control over my applications and computer. The iPad has copy and paste but it is far from efficient enough for seamless multitasking. Sometimes depending on the length or structure of a paragraph you simply cannot copy the text you want no matter how hard you try. That kind of clumsy interface issue is emblematic of how inefficient the iPad actually is for quick concise complex actions even if it is a rather mundane text handling task. The iPad is adequate for casual browsing and emailing but really a chore when trying accomplish much else, at least not without a struggle.

Well not just email and browsing. It's good at; music, video (well android tablets are much better here but it's okay), games (iPad has some great games), music creation (awesome as a portable studio), document proofing (very useful), ultimate machine to relax to after a long day at the office.
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post #292 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

I didn't think I was putting anyone down. If you're offended I'm sorry.

Oh just jumped the gun then, please excuse the rudeness.
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post #293 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by ralphdaily View Post

I certainly excited about getting mine on Friday. It's reached Louisville, KY per UPS tracking. I'm replacing an iPad 2 and doing it for the new screen.


Damnit, mine's in Louisville too. So close and yet so far.

Can't wait to see the new screen either - should be totally great for surfing & reading.

Well color me fanboy - except that it's also better than the competition.
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post #294 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

No, technically, market share is measured when a product is purchased by a consumer.

I don't think that's accurate. Market share, obviously refers to the share of the market. The market being how many units within a market are sold within a set time frame. That sale doesn't have to be and end user, it can be a retailer or some other intermediary that buys and pays for the product from the vendor.

Installed base is a measure of the units in consumers hands and still actively used at a given time.

Right?


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Damnit, mine's in Louisville too. So close and yet so far.

Mine is a 3 hour drive away. I want to drive down and snag it.

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post #295 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.

While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.

Two problems with that.

First, I doubt Tim Cook talks to a lot of people who are looking to make a decision about which tablet to buy. I am POSITIVE that he talks to a lot of people whose income goes up with Apple's stock goes up though.

Second, do you seriously believe everything you hear from someone with a vested interest? Pretty dumb. Here's a tip - company executives say positive things when asked questions about the company. Duh.
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post #296 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

Um yeah... you can. But it's meaningless.

Also, why would you quote yourself in your signature? Can't find anyone with any chops who agrees with that ridiculous sentiment?

I don't know what you mean by "anyone with chops" but I'm guessing you don't think I have any.
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post #297 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.

While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.



What makes you think they did it to compete with the Fire? Maybe they're competing with the other tablets?

In fact, Apple publicly stated that they're NOT competing with the Fire. I'll believe Apple before you, thank you.

Do you believe everything Apple says? I know I don't.

Apple may not be competing with the Kindle Fire but Amazon sure as hell are going after potential iPad buyers. Just look at all the Kindle adverts. Almost all of them compare the Kindle to the iPad directly.
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post #298 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I don't think that's accurate. Market share, obviously refers to the share of the market. The market being how many units within a market are sold within a set time frame. That sale doesn't have to be and end user, it can be a retailer or some other intermediary that buys and pays for the product from the vendor.

Installed base is a measure of the units in consumers hands and still actively used at a given time.

Right?

Of which Android and co. manufacturers always use whatever number suited them regardless whether it is accurate in real use or not. Marketing... It is all numbers. case in point, in prev. article -- Andy Rubin, is all about device activation (once it is activated, boom! with BOGOF, boom and boom! - w/o mentioning how many returned units, customer satisfaction or device longevity.
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post #299 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by Doctor David View Post

I don't know what you mean by "anyone with chops" but I'm guessing you don't think I have any.
People that run financial insitutions aren't any more inherently honest than the rest of the public. In all areas of society we need laws to keep unscrupulous people in check. That's what financial regulations are for and not having the right ones (particularly Glass/Steagle) melted our economy.

It's a take off of the actual famous quote - the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money to spend. The argument I have with it is not that finance need not be regulated, but anyone using that quote is clearly trying to suggest that finance is as fundamentally flawed as socialism is, which is the ridiculous part.

And yeah, who quotes THEMSELVES in their signature? Sociopaths?
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post #300 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Do you believe everything Apple says? I know I don't.

Apple may not be competing with the Kindle Fire but Amazon sure as hell are going after potential iPad buyers. Just look at all the Kindle adverts. Almost all of them compare the Kindle to the iPad directly.

I've never seen an Amazon Kindle Fire in Australia yet!
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post #301 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Here's an idea. Sell the iPad 2 now while it has the most resale value, then buy a brand new iPad third gen and give that to them. You'll be money ahead and not look like such a cheap ass.

Or, just give them the iPad 2 now for no particular reason other than you are a nice guy. Then in nine months buy them some less expensive trinket for Christmas. After all the spirt of Christmas should not be about expensive gifts anyway. now should it? Oh right it is about expensive gifts since Christmas is a made up holiday, which has nothing at all to do with the Bible, it is more about the pagan solstice celebration known as Saturnalia. Historians believe that Jesus was was born sometime in the fall not December 25th. Most people don't care though since they are non-practicing-sudo-Christians who just want the gifts.


I think you're over analyzing his gift. If the spirit of Christmas isn't about expensive gifts, as you say...why make your original complaint and describe him as a "cheap ass"? Gifts are personal, and you haven't got a clue who he is, who his family is, or how that gift would be received. He does. My brother is twelve years younger than me and basically broke, as most early twenty somethings are...so if I gave him my iPad2 that he couldn't afford used for next Christmas, I'm a cheap-ass? Or maybe fucking benevolent, considering I would be taking at least a two hundred dollar loss just so I could see him enjoy something.

You've managed to insinuate he is a cheap ass and a supporter of an arbitrary consumer holiday all in the same post...and then give him advice on how to make the most money off of it. Get lost. He didn't ask for your approval of his gift. You're just playing the role of wise council and coming off as a junior know-it-all.
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post #302 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Apple may not be competing with the Kindle Fire but Amazon sure as hell are going after potential iPad buyers. Just look at all the Kindle adverts. Almost all of them compare the Kindle to the iPad directly.

For starters Apple doesn't seem to have an extra large stock pile of iPads to sell. Second, I have trouble seeing how someone who is looking at a $199 Kindle with 8GB storage and very limited HW features would also be considering an iPad that costs from 2.5x to over 4x as much. It's like wondering about going to Ruth Chris's for filet mignon or hitting Taco Bell drive thru for a Doritos taco. Both are fine in their own right, but when you plan to get one you aren't likely considering the other.

Of course Amazon wants you to compare the Kindle Fire to the iPad. The iPad is a hot device. I think only the iPhone outsells it. By making an association you try to feed off it's prestige, it's popularity. In fact, from a marketing perspective you ONLY do it when the product you are comparing to has taken a huge tumble in popularity (like when Apple finally started using Window Vista in adds specifically instead of just saying PC) or when your product is clearly inferior and needs the association bump. If it were truly a competitor in size, capabilities and price against a product with that much mindshare it likely hurt them.

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post #303 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:41pm
Can anyone tell me what has happened to the <LOL> Chromebook?
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3/11/12 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by theskivvys View Post

Can anyone tell me what has happened to the <LOL> Chromebook?

I thought it was sound idea. It's basically WebOS but with a desktop UI. The browser interface is the most used and familiar app on PCs.

Looking at GoogleTV it seems like they might be moving to use Android as the core OS for everything which still means they can still use the Chrome OS UI concept.

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post #305 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Do you believe everything Apple says? I know I don't.

Apple may not be competing with the Kindle Fire but Amazon sure as hell are going after potential iPad buyers. Just look at all the Kindle adverts. Almost all of them compare the Kindle to the iPad directly.

Of course Amazon is going after Apple.

Apple is entering their 3rd year in the tablet market... while Amazon has only been in the tablet game for 4 months.

I think the term "underdog" describes Amazon at this point.

At least Amazon went in another direction... making a smaller, cheaper 7" tablet at $200

Remember when the other guys were selling their tablets at the same price an the iPad? That didn't work out too well... especially for the Playbook and the TouchPad.
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3/11/12 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by jmillermcp View Post

It went from a "delivery" date of March 16 to a "ship" date of March 19. Since it takes roughly 5-7 days to be delivered from Shenzhen, China, it's about a two week slip.

It does not take 5-7 days to ship from Shenzhen China. It only takes an extra day depending on where you live in the US. Apple has an amazing distribution system and planes at the ready each day to make the 13 hour flight to the states. When I ordered my custom iMac on a Monday, it was built and delivered from China by Thursday morning.
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post #307 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:48pm
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Can anyone tell me what has happened to the <LOL> Chromebook?

They are of different product category, just ask Google
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post #308 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

The figures I mentioned were quoted on Bloomberg TV last week as fact. Not analysts estimates.

That's naive.

You shouldn't believe everything you hear on TV. Even Bloomberg TV.
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post #309 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

It does not take 5-7 days to ship from Shenzen China. It takes only 2 or 3 days depending on where you live.

By the same logic, he is right all along he live where it takes 5-7 days to arrive.
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post #310 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by theskivvys View Post

I've never seen an Amazon Kindle Fire in Australia yet!

They're only available in the US at the moment as far as I know.
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3/11/12 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

Of course Amazon is going after Apple.

Apple is entering their 3rd year in the tablet market... while Amazon has only been in the tablet game for 4 months.

I think the term "underdog" describes Amazon at this point.

At least Amazon went in another direction... making a smaller, cheaper 7" tablet at $200

Remember when the other guys were selling their tablets at the same price an the iPad? That didn't work out too well... especially for the Playbook and the TouchPad.

Those other guys also decided to go in another direction by trying to cut Apple off at the pass with a 7" device. They could claim it's more portable and likely cut down on costs. That didn't work which makes me wonder how Amazon will me a 10" Fire, assuming the rumours are true. If we assume a $100 price increase, which includes 16GB storage instead of 8GB, and adding better HW can they still compete with the $399 iPad 2? I'm not so sure. If they don't add the additional HW features I don't think they have much of a chance at all. I think the market segment Apple doesn't play is the only reason they have any substantial sales. The multi-media eReaders are the netbooks of tablets.

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3/11/12 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

That's naive.

You shouldn't believe everything you hear on TV. Even Bloomberg TV.

They are professionals paid to give unbiased analysis. I would trust what they say over anything I read on a forum like this.
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post #313 of 423
3/11/12 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Do you believe everything Apple says? I know I don't.

Apple may not be competing with the Kindle Fire but Amazon sure as hell are going after potential iPad buyers. Just look at all the Kindle adverts. Almost all of them compare the Kindle to the iPad directly.

And, how's that strategy panned out for them? Do you (does anyone) know?
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3/11/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

What's your definition of cheap? The iPad is more expensive than most laptops.

Most laptops cost less than $499? Most garbage laptops. Perhaps that's part of the reason Apple laptops sell so well. Apple doesn't sell garbage laptops, which leaves the bottom of the barrel open to whichever companies want to make trash and accept razor thin margins.

And I only quoted the price of the new iPad. The previous iPad 2 sells NEW for $399.
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3/11/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I thought it was sound idea. It's basically WebOS but with a desktop UI. The browser interface is the most used and familiar app on PCs.

Looking at GoogleTV it seems like they might be moving to use Android as the core OS for everything which still means they can still use the Chrome OS UI concept.

I am not an Apple Fanboi. My first computer was an Atari 800 and that kicked ass all over the Apple II. I used Palm's all the way up to the Palm TX when nobody was using them and unfortunately that company had serious management issues, which produced really crappy products in the end. I have enjoyed Sega Megadrives, sony Playstations etc.

My point is Google make very boring mediocre products and I wish there were better alternatives to Apple. Could Atari make a comeback???

It is really sad that Google is the only other option at this stage. They have always had an ugly design aesthetic and have never been innovative. Their best product youtube was bought.
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3/11/12 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

They are professionals paid to give unbiased analysis. I would trust what they say over anything I read on a forum like this.

Unbiased is not the same as 'factually correct.'

It simply means that the expected value of errors is zero.
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3/11/12 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by Sol77 View Post

My brother is twelve years younger than me and basically broke, as most early twenty somethings are...so if I gave him my iPad2 that he couldn't afford used for next Christmas, I'm a cheap-ass?

Just my opinion but anyone who gives something they no longer need to someone else as a Christmas 'gift' is a cheap ass and worse that they think they are benevolent for doing so is just offensive. If you want to give something that you no longer need, just give it. Don't wrap it up with a bow and put it under the Xmas tree. I hope you don't mind if your brother sells it on eBay and buys something that really needs, not your old hand me downs.

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3/11/12 at 7:00pm
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Most laptops cost less than $499? Most garbage laptops. Perhaps that's part of the reason Apple laptops sell so well. Apple doesn't sell garbage laptops, which leaves the bottom of the barrel open to whichever companies want to make trash and accept razor thin margins.

I don't have sales numbers, but yeah, I bet the midpoint in prices for laptop sales in the USA is below $500. And by the way, Apple's laptops don't sell well. They have less than 10% of the market. They are hugely profitable, but don't confuse that with popularity. They are broadly DESIRED but rarely, in the big picture, purchased.

Edit: http://blog.laptopmag.com/average-wi...t-in-24-months

Average non Apple laptop as of January cost $456. So yeah, most laptops cost well under $499.
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3/11/12 at 7:04pm
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Just my opinion but anyone who gives something they no longer need to someone else as a Christmas 'gift' is a cheap ass and worse that they think they are benevolent for doing so is just offensive. If you want to give something that you no longer need, just give it. Don't wrap it up with a bow and put it under the Xmas tree. I hope you don't mind if your brother sells it on eBay and buys something that really needs, not your old hand me downs.

Scenario1: I no long need my Bently Continental GT because I decided I want a Frisker Karma. I give it to you as a Christmas gift. Am I cheap?

Scenario2: I decided to give you 1000 shares of Apple stock because I feel I'll not need it. Am I cheap?

I'm pretty sure that makes me crazy... but not cheap.

In all seriousness, I agree that he shouldn't sit on the gift but I don't think it makes him cheap. If you are not using it now why hold onto it for over 9 months waiting for a holiday to arrive. Just give it to him now. You can even say, "Don't expect anything for Christmas" or "This is a very early Christmas present."

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3/11/12 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

What's your definition of cheap? The iPad is more expensive than most laptops.

Than most laptops? A netbook doesn't qualify as a useful laptop despite the form factor.
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