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post #81 of 109
45 years old. Isn't that a bit young to be knighted? I would think that most were allot older.
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post #82 of 109
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Apple will do whatever it thinks will increase total profits.

You say that like its a bad thing...
post #83 of 109
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Originally Posted by frugality View Post

Apple is trying to dictate the market.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
post #84 of 109
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

The maximization of total profits drives everything that Apple does. Not just design, but everything.

Again, how is that a bad thing?
post #85 of 109
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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

Its not that surprising smartphones all end up looking like an iPhone.

My, what selective memory we have. Go re-read the pre-launch comments about the original iPhone lacking a physical keyboard and then come back to defend your "inevitable" assertion...
post #86 of 109
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Again, how is that a bad thing?

Who said that is a bad thing?

All giant corporations do it. Apple is the same as Exxon or Monsanto in that regard.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post

Who said that is a bad thing?

All giant corporations do it. Apple is the same as Exxon or Monsanto in that regard.

If there is nothing wrong with it, why do you keep bringing it up?

Finally admitting your posts are valueless?
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If there is nothing wrong with it, why do you keep bringing it up?

Finally admitting your posts are valueless?


I was correcting a mistaken impression. That has great value.

Go away.
post #89 of 109
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Go away.

Yup, diagnoses confimed....
post #90 of 109
I love the Magic Trackpad that comes with iMac but the ones on MBP and MBA are godawful..

The top 1/4 part of Mac trackpad is very, very hard to press.. I don't like the 'plastic' feel to the touch, when I click..

Pinch to zoom sometimes doesn't work for no apparent reason..

Mac trackpads certainly haven't got "BETTER" in a long time.

Ive is amazing but he isn't perfect..
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The top 1/4 part of Mac trackpad is very, very hard to press

It's also hard to close a door by putting your force on the hinge. Basic physics.

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post #92 of 109
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The samsungs connector actually is the better one as it has a ridge to get better grip on it...

Um..."better grip"? It is "ridged for her pleasure"?

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post #93 of 109
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So I guess they didn't release a new iPod Touch because they could
not make it better. Too bad because I could have given them some ideas: 3G
data, a GPS and a digital compass would have made a much better
product

The iPod touch already has a digital compass.
post #94 of 109
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

The only thing on a Samsung tablet that is anything like Apple is the front Bezel.

Before the iPad: Samsung didn't make tablets
After the iPad: Samsung made tablets. The first revs of which looked *remarkably* similar. Then they got sued and removed some of the obvious (and unnecessary) similarities. Samsung even briefly "invented" a magnetic cover which ... guess what... folded... and looked pretty much 1:1 the same as Apple's magnetic cover....

I rest my case

I think what people need to understand is that in Korea there's a sense of entitlement to copying stuff. It's a little like China that way - people - and corporations - are not ashamed to rip something off wholesale. They did it with a lot of Japanese designs, now they're doing it with all things Apple.
post #95 of 109
Just to point out that his name is Sir Jonathan Ive, or Sir Jonathan. Not "Ive" or "Jonny Ive" - unless you're his friend. That's how knighthoods work.

Also, I think you misquoted him. Never misquote a knight. That's how beheadings work.
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post #96 of 109
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

+1 for TPB quote...

Quibbling aside.

I think it's interesting that now that Steve Jobs is gone - may he RIP - other execs at Apple share more of a spotlight. Everything didn't fall apart. Things are still going.

It might yet turn out that Jobs' greatest product is the team that he assembled, and the company that he created. Tim Cook kills on supply chain and even though he's the best, he seems to get even better at it (> 40% profit margin in Q4 - WTF??). Jony Ive will continue to kick out amazing products. And there's others that carry on... this interview really is proof that the Apple way is alive and well i the company and despite an absolute unwillingness of the competition to see it, this is the secret sauce that makes Apple Apple.

If it's only about money then people will eventually get fed up with it and retire, or go into philantropism where that money can maybe be used for a good cause.

But if it's about more, much more, then there's no stopping it, and no limit on where it can go.

Ever heard any competitor say they just want to make the best products, or they won'd do them? No way... one look at the average consumer electronics' companies product lines is all it takes to know otherwise. I mean... Sony used to be kind of like that, but they long lost the plot. Toyota is maybe also like this in that they are similarly obsessed with quality - look where it got them.
post #97 of 109
I have a suspect that Apple is testing the interface with Apple TV users and collecting data in order to refine the "iTV" experience. So if the new Apple TV interface has bad reviews, hey no big deal it's just a hobby vs rereleasing the iTV with no testing.

Smart if you ask me.

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But Apple hasn't made a television.....ooooooooh!
post #98 of 109
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Originally Posted by orthorim View Post

+1 for TPB quote...

Quibbling aside.

I think it's interesting that now that Steve Jobs is gone - may he RIP - other execs at Apple share more of a spotlight. Everything didn't fall apart. Things are still going.

It might yet turn out that Jobs' greatest product is the team that he assembled, and the company that he created. Tim Cook kills on supply chain and even though he's the best, he seems to get even better at it (> 40% profit margin in Q4 - WTF??). Jony Ive will continue to kick out amazing products. And there's others that carry on... this interview really is proof that the Apple way is alive and well i the company and despite an absolute unwillingness of the competition to see it, this is the secret sauce that makes Apple Apple.

If it's only about money then people will eventually get fed up with it and retire, or go into philantropism where that money can maybe be used for a good cause.

But if it's about more, much more, then there's no stopping it, and no limit on where it can go.

Ever heard any competitor say they just want to make the best products, or they won'd do them? No way... one look at the average consumer electronics' companies product lines is all it takes to know otherwise. I mean... Sony used to be kind of like that, but they long lost the plot. Toyota is maybe also like this in that they are similarly obsessed with quality - look where it got them.

Jony Ive has done interviews before so that's not new. It seems like he was the one exec Steve allowed to have a public profile. I've never seen an interview with Scott Forstall and Phil Schiller maybe a couple quotes to the NY Times or Wall Street Journal after a product launch, but never a full interview.
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45 years old. Isn't that a bit young to be knighted? I would think that most were allot older.

You are better off younger if knighted. Putting all that armor on, climbing on and off a massive horse and wielding a heavy broad sword against wicked trolls etc. isn't easy for an old guy.
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post #100 of 109
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Originally Posted by griffith9 View Post

I love the Magic Trackpad that comes with iMac but the ones on MBP and MBA are godawful..

The top 1/4 part of Mac trackpad is very, very hard to press.. I don't like the 'plastic' feel to the touch, when I click..

Pinch to zoom sometimes doesn't work for no apparent reason..

Mac trackpads certainly haven't got "BETTER" in a long time.

Ive is amazing but he isn't perfect..

i bought the same one that comes with the iMac as an extra to use with my MBP when at a desk.
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post #101 of 109
Why the new ipad is thicker and heavier then? I'm keeping my old thin and light ipad and wait for the next thinner and lighter one.
post #102 of 109
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Why the new ipad is thicker and heavier then? I'm keeping my old thin and light ipad and wait for the next thinner and lighter one.

So it's not "better" because it's thicker and heavier?

JIC you are being serious let's look at what they did to the overall product. That added 4x the number of pixels to the display without losing battery life. The only solution that would work to keep it lighter and thinner is to reduce the battery size to a point that it has to changed much more often and can't go a full day of use. Is that really "better" to you?

PS: The iPhones have gotten both thicker and heavier in YoY releases.

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post #103 of 109
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Why the new ipad is thicker and heavier then? I'm keeping my old thin and light ipad and wait for the next thinner and lighter one.

OK since you don't have the new iPad how do you know it will look thicker and feel heavier when you get it in your hands? I could care less if a spec sheet shows it's slightly thicker or weighs a little bit more. It's all about how it feels when you're holding it in your hands. My guess is it won't even be noticeable for most people.
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OK since you don't have the new iPad how do you know it will look thicker and feel heavier when you get it in your hands? I could care less if a spec sheet shows it's slightly thicker or weighs a little bit more. It's all about how it feels when you're holding it in your hands. My guess is it won't even be noticeable for most people.

The word from those at the event that handled it say it doesn't really feel any thicker than the iPad 2 but you can tell the weight difference going from one to the other. However, when compared to the original iPad it feels and is lighter than the new iPad.

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post #105 of 109
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

So it's not "better" because it's thicker and heavier?

JIC you are being serious let's look at what they did to the overall product. That added 4x the number of pixels to the display without losing battery life. The only solution that would work to keep it lighter and thinner is to reduce the battery size to a point that it has to changed much more often and can't go a full day of use. Is that really "better" to you?

PS: The iPhones have gotten both thicker and heavier in YoY releases.

Apple is working within the confines of battery technology. My guess is the #1 goal for this iPad was to have retina display with the same battery life. If that meant it has to be every so slightly thinker/heavier than so be it. I'm sure most people would find that an acceptable compromise. And I'm sure if Apple could have made this iPad even thinner and lighter than iPad 2 with all the new features it has they would have.
post #106 of 109
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Apple is working within the confines of battery technology. My guess is the #1 goal for this iPad was to have retina display with the same battery life. If that meant it has to be every so slightly thinker/heavier than so be it. I'm sure most people would find that an acceptable compromise. And I'm sure if Apple could have made this iPad even thinner and lighter than iPad 2 with all the new features it has they would have.

I think that is the most logical answer. I had said long before this was announced that I'll take a heavier and larger device (and even pay more money) to get the Retina Display sooner rather than later.

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post #107 of 109
The Fandroids over at Engadget are having a field day with Ive's comments. He knows how to reel them in almost as well as Steve did.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

What a ridiculous, ridiculous analogy. The similarity of those 2 phones is analogous that cars have tires and wheels? How many phones looked like that before the iPhone?

Not a "ridiculous" analogy. I'd say its the perfect analogy. Every car has tires, steering wheels, 4 doors, etc. They all look "similar" like you've said. Yet, they dont sue each other for "copying" each other.


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The Fandroids over at Engadget are having a field day with Ive's comments. He knows how to reel them in almost as well as Steve did.

I'll meet you over there.

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post #109 of 109
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Not a "ridiculous" analogy. I'd say its the perfect analogy. Every car has tires, steering wheels, 4 doors, etc. They all look "similar" like you've said. Yet, they dont sue each other for "copying" each other.




I'll meet you over there.

His interview generated 449 coments over at Huffington Post. I guess he touched a nerve? Steve would be proud.
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