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A complete disassembly of the new iPad has offered a glimpse inside the hardware, including a Samsung-built Retina display and A5X processor.

The repair wizards at iFixit wasted no time on Thursday getting their hands on the new iPad by traveling to Australia where it is officially on sale. Their disassembly offers a look at the 4G LTE wireless model.

The front panel of the new iPad was removed by using heat, guitar picks an opening tool, and heavy-duty suction cups. The disassembly also confirmed that pre-release components showing a new LCD connector cable were legitimate.

In removing the LCD panel, the solutions provider got a look at the back of the new Retina display. There, they found a model number naming scheme that suggests the panel for that particular model was built by Samsung.

Samsung was outed this week as the primary supplier of Retina displays for the new iPad, even though the company is one of Apple's primary competitors. It is also believed that LG Display Co. is building iPad Retina displays.




On the logic board is the new custom A5X processor, which features the same clock speed as the A5 CPU found in the iPhone 4S and iPad 2, but adds a new quad-core graphics processor and a gigabyte of RAM. The CPU was also built by Samsung, and markings on it indicate it was manufactured in the first week of 2012.




The new 4G LTE iPad, identified by the model number A1389, also sports a larger 11560mAh battery. Interest in the live teardown updates was so great on Thursday that the company's website struggled to handle the traffic spike.
Other chips discovered on the new iPad logic board are:

Texas Instruments CD3240 driver device

Broadcom BCM4330 802.11a/b/g/n MAC/Baseband/Radio with Integrated Bluetooth 4.0+HS and FM Transceiver




Epcos B4064 SAW filters

Fairchild FDMC 6683

Toshiba ZX0730 1123KLD

Qualcomm RTR8600 (under the thermal pad)

Broadcom BCM5973 I/O controller



For more details and pictures, check out the full teardown of Apple's third-generation iPad at iFixit.

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Nice 'gadget pron'!

- 1gb RAM (finally) = Check
- New GPU/same CPU = Check
- Very capable battery/same-ish size = Check
- New-ish camera module = Check
- New Display panel = Check

... and that's about it, as well as just enough to keep most users satisfied until about a year from now.
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Nice 'gadget pron'!

- 1gb RAM (finally) = Check
- New GPU/same CPU = Check
- Very capable battery/same-ish size = Check
- New-ish camera module = Check
- New Display panel = Check

... and that's about it, as well as just enough to keep most users satisfied until about a year from now.

Lets be fair, the CPU wasn't going to be the limiting factor, so they just cranked up the GPU to accomodate all those extra pixels, which was definetly needed. The 1GB was also needed with the larger app sizes that we will be seeing with the new screen and is a very welcome upgrade. And really, the camera is something I just don't care about on a tablet. The screen is the selling point on this thing and rest of the upgrades seemed to focus on enhancing the experience of using that screen. I can't wait to get my hands on one, it might make me upgrade for my OG first gen ipad.

Edit: Also, there was no mention of the LTE. I have tethering on my 4G phone, so not really a draw for me, but early reports are that the verizon LTE ipad is crushing cable modem speeds.
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Limited Legacy Phone Sized Storage: Check.
Google and Samsung will be out with android pad and Retina (a larger one is rumoured too) in a couple of months or so:Check.
Can't wait to use the 3rd Gen Ipad with the Retina Display: Check.
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Qualcomm RTR8600

So definitely not the new 28nm LTE radios.
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I can't believe Apple won the lawsuit in Germany preventing the sale of the Galaxy Tab and Samsung still sells them parts for the iPad.
really makes me wonder what the point of all the lawsuits are....... odd.
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So definitely not the new 28nm LTE radios.

Yes, that radio is a year old. No wonder they didn't use it in the iPhone 4S.
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Lets be fair, the CPU wasn't going to be the limiting factor, so they just cranked up the GPU to accomodate all those extra pixels, which was definetly needed. The 1GB was also needed with the larger app sizes that we will be seeing with the new screen and is a very welcome upgrade. And really, the camera is something I just don't care about on a tablet. The screen is the selling point on this thing and rest of the upgrades seemed to focus on enhancing the experience of using that screen. I can't wait to get my hands on one, it might make me upgrade for my OG first gen ipad.

Edit: Also, there was no mention of the LTE. I have tethering on my 4G phone, so not really a draw for me, but early reports are that the verizon LTE ipad is crushing cable modem speeds.

LTE is wonderful except for 2 things: power draw is immense and beware your data limits! that wonderful speed gets you hooked and you forget about the data usage...
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These iFixit guys are lovably insane. They fly halfway around the world, buy one of the first commercially available iPad 3's on the planet, then instead of even turning it ON and looking at that purportedly GORGEOUS screen, they take a hairdryer to it.

I mean, how great is it watching folks who know what their mission in life really is?
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- 1gb RAM (finally) = Check
- New GPU/same CPU = Check
- Very capable battery/same-ish size = Check
- New-ish camera module = Check
- New Display panel = Check

- Bluetooth 4.0 (first tablet to have bluetooth 4.0) = Check

The new iPad boasts obvious improvements such as a sharp Retina display, faster graphics, and 4G LTE but it breaks Bluetooth ground, too, which is just as significant.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-573...ould-you-care/
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- Bluetooth 4.0 (first tablet to have bluetooth 4.0) = Check

The new iPad boasts obvious improvements such as a sharp Retina display, faster graphics, and 4G LTE but it breaks Bluetooth ground, too, which is just as significant.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-573...ould-you-care/

personally, I missed in the new iPad presentation the checking form (with ticked boxes) that Steve used to present (including environmental concerns, yes ...)
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Yes, that radio is a year old. No wonder they didn't use it in the iPhone 4S.


Wondering if they have an easy way to toggle LTE on and off. Perhaps they went with that radio due to the fact that most people on the planet don't have access to LTE and won't even use it. Those who do should only turn it on as needed to avoid excess data usage and battery drain.

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I am just wondering what chip is Apple using that would prevent them from being able to use the other bandwidths for LTE that is to be used in europe? What would Apple have to do differently? Do they have to have different software loaded? Another chip to be used if they signed up carriers in Europe to handle these other bands? No one has really gone into depth on this issue.
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- Bluetooth 4.0 (first tablet to have bluetooth 4.0) = Check

The new iPad boasts obvious improvements such as a sharp Retina display, faster graphics, and 4G LTE but it breaks Bluetooth ground, too, which is just as significant.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-573...ould-you-care/

Only if it makes you feel better really. Apple still cripples basic bluetooth profiles and the vast majority of peripherals are still on 2.1 and not to mention 3 yet. Always hear about this great potential for Bluetooth for years, and it's never really taken off.
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I can't believe Apple won the lawsuit in Germany preventing the sale of the Galaxy Tab and Samsung still sells them parts for the iPad.
really makes me wonder what the point of all the lawsuits are....... odd.

It draws attention to both companies which in itself could be regarded as a marketing strategy.

Bad publicity is better than no publicity.

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Only if it makes you feel better really. Apple still cripples basic bluetooth profiles and the vast majority of peripherals are still on 2.1 and not to mention 3 yet. Always hear about this great potential for Bluetooth for years, and it's never really taken off.

Maybe the iPad is just the device which makes it take off, since they're going to sell many tens of millions of them. The iPhone 4S also has it, so that's hundreds of millions of people.

There are some health devices which already use bluetooth 4.0.

Nike Fuel band is bluetooth 4.0. I think that we're going to see a lot of 4.0 accessories this year.
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It seems A5X contains only processor SoC packaged in conventional IC package with thermal heat sink.

1 GB DRAM is packaged in separate ICs and is not part of of A5X processor module as in A4 and A5 before.

That is the biggest surprise today!
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I can't believe Apple won the lawsuit in Germany preventing the sale of the Galaxy Tab and Samsung still sells them parts for the iPad.
really makes me wonder what the point of all the lawsuits are....... odd.

So you want Samsung to cut off it's nose to spite it's face? Okay if that works for you
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Maybe the iPad is just the device which makes it take off, since they're going to sell many tens of millions of them. The iPhone 4S also has it, so that's hundreds of millions of people.

There are some health devices which already use bluetooth 4.0.

Nike Fuel band is bluetooth 4.0. I think that we're going to see a lot of 4.0 accessories this year.

I think I'm going with Sony's Bluetooth earbuds... I'm tired of cables.

Will be awesome with my iPad and 4S.
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I wonder how many hours you would get of usage if you retrofitted the ipad3 batteries to the ipad2.
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- Bluetooth 4.0 (first tablet to have bluetooth 4.0) = Check

Hardware-wise, the Playbook is the first tablet to have a bluetooth 4.0 chipset --- but like the rest of the Playbook, the software (the bluetooth driver) is not ready.
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Soooo....

Is it safe to say that next year we will see the A6 chip along with doubling the storage for iPad 4?
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"On the logic board is the new custom A5X processor, which features the same clock speed as the A5 CPU found in the iPhone 4S and iPad 2, but adds a new quad-core graphics processor and a gigabyte of RAM. The CPU was also built by Samsung, and markings on it indicate it was manufactured in the first week of 2012."

The bold sentence is incorrect. The iPhone 4s is clocked at about 800Mhz, whereas the clock on the New iPad and the iPad2 is 1Ghz.
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Maybe the iPad is just the device which makes it take off, since they're going to sell many tens of millions of them. The iPhone 4S also has it, so that's hundreds of millions of people.

Yeah, and 'this will be the year of the Linux desktop.'

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There are some health devices which already use bluetooth 4.0.

Yeah all 5 of them if that.

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Nike Fuel band is bluetooth 4.0. I think that we're going to see a lot of 4.0 accessories this year.

Doubtful. It's been final since June 2010. 3.0 has been around since April 2009. There's just no real demand for it, and device makers have to still support the lowest common demoninator, which is still 2.1. Maybe Apple can attract some attention to it, but I'm very skeptical, especially with Wifi Direct and NFC up and coming.
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I love iFixit, especially this commitment to travel from CA, USA to Australia to get this teardown out a few hours early.

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... Doubtful. (Bluetooth 4.0 has) been final since June 2010. 3.0 has been around since April 2009. There's just no real demand for it, and device makers have to still support the lowest common demoninator, which is still 2.1. ...

Everything you say here is ridiculous, but the bolded statement especially so. It's is completely insupportable .

In the first place you are purposely confusing the finalisation of the spec with availability of the devices to make your argument seem more reasonable. Secondly the new chips for 4.0 are backwards compatible for previous versions of Bluetooth anyway.

Finally, the iPad is one of the few devices to implement the 4.0 standard so far, so even if everything you said was true (and it's not), the idea that "there's no demand for it," can't be true. We can't know at this stage whether there is demand or whether it will catch on. You are just prematurely declaring it useless based on nothing but your own opinion.
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YDoubtful. It's been final since June 2010. 3.0 has been around since April 2009. There's just no real demand for it, and device makers have to still support the lowest common demoninator, which is still 2.1. Maybe Apple can attract some attention to it, but I'm very skeptical, especially with Wifi Direct and NFC up and coming.

The only viable device for BT 4.0 is wireless keyboards.

We have to wait for the teardown of the Playbook's bluetooth keyboard to see if that has a BT 4.0 inside. As I said it before, the Playbook already has a BT 4.0 chipset insider --- just the software is not ready. The whole keyboard is 6 mm thick with built-in battery with a battery life of 30 days. That compares to Apple's bluetooth keyboard that is 4 mm thick --- but with a thick round cylinder top to hold the AA batteries.

It sounds like a BT 4.0 keyboard, but we have to wait for the teardown.
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I think I'm going with Sony's Bluetooth earbuds... I'm tired of cables.

Will be awesome with my iPad and 4S.

I have the DRBT50s from sony! they have great sound and are blue tooth
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I love iFixit, especially this commitment to travel from CA, USA to Australia to get this teardown out a few hours early.

It's cool that they're so dedicated, but really it's just a good business decision. Their site is already getting hammered. Many other sites are linking to it in their articles. I'm sure they made a lot off clicks, so beating iSupply and others with a tear down even by a few hours gives them a huge advantage.
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I can't believe Apple won the lawsuit in Germany preventing the sale of the Galaxy Tab and Samsung still sells them parts for the iPad.
really makes me wonder what the point of all the lawsuits are....... odd.

Apple hopes that in the end, the lawsuits will help to maximize profits by limiting consumer choice.

Apple buys the parts from Samsung in order to help maximize profits by sourcing the best quality parts.

The answer is always the same. Every well-run megacorporation does what it does with an aim towards maximizing profits. Apple is no different from other giant corporations in that regard.
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I think I'm going with Sony's Bluetooth earbuds... I'm tired of cables.

Will be awesome with my iPad and 4S.

I would opt for the Nokia Bluetooth Stereo-Headset BH-505 much better quality and sound incredible. plus the battery seems to never die. Much better then Sony's model I bought a pair and returned them post haste. When I got my Lumia 800 the sales guy let me try the Nokia variant and I was sold on the spot.
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I would opt for the Nokia Bluetooth Stereo-Headset BH-505 much better quality and sound incredible. plus the battery seems to never die. Much better then Sony's model I bought a pair and returned them post haste. When I got my Lumia 800 the sales guy let me try the Nokia variant and I was sold on the spot.

Are they Bluetooth 4.0?
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So that is a heat sink and not just decoration for photo shoot. I guess that GPU really is doing overtime. I wonder how much extra power that SoC is using over the A5.

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The only viable device for BT 4.0 is wireless keyboards.

We have to wait for the teardown of the Playbook's bluetooth keyboard to see if that has a BT 4.0 inside. As I said it before, the Playbook already has a BT 4.0 chipset insider --- just the software is not ready. The whole keyboard is 6 mm thick with built-in battery with a battery life of 30 days. That compares to Apple's bluetooth keyboard that is 4 mm thick --- but with a thick round cylinder top to hold the AA batteries.

It sounds like a BT 4.0 keyboard, but we have to wait for the teardown.

Why only keyboards?

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Apple hopes that in the end, the lawsuits will help to maximize profits by limiting consumer choice.

Apple buys the parts from Samsung in order to help maximize profits by sourcing the best quality parts.

The answer is always the same. Every well-run megacorporation does what it does with an aim towards maximizing profits. Apple is no different from other giant corporations in that regard.

It didn't slow down Samsung to much though they simply tweaked the bezel and a they were all back in the market a month later. I don't care much for their 10.1 model though it's to neutered for my taste. The point of owning a Android tablet is to have things that the Apple iPad doesn't have like a miniSD card, a full a USB slot, built in HDMI or maybe a keyboard dock that adds another 6 hours of battery time. Samsung tablets are to close to iPads functionality or lack of so what's the point. Their Galaxy 7.7 model on the other hand is a work of art and I would encourage Samsung to make more like that not copy Apple.
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Hardware-wise, the Playbook is the first tablet to have a bluetooth 4.0 chipset --- but like the rest of the Playbook, the software (the bluetooth driver) is not ready.

Not having the software ready is pretty pathetic. No wonder why RIM's stock is down in the dumps.

I don't see anybody mentioning anything about any Playbook on the official Bluetooth site.

The addition of Bluetooth v4.0 makes the new iPad the world’s first Bluetooth Smart Ready tablet, allowing it to connect with the billions of today's Bluetooth devices and the next generation of Bluetooth Smart devices—running applications that turn data from those devices into useful information.

http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Bluet...t-Devices.aspx
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So that is a heat sink and not just decoration for photo shoot. I guess that GPU really is doing overtime. I wonder how much extra power that SoC is using over the A5.

Note that the SoC isn't in a package-on-package anymore. The RAM is mounted on the other side of the PCB. The A5X looks to be you typical BGA style CPU package. This probably means it's a 45 nm part. How they'll fit all this into the iPhone I don't know.

If the frequency is the same and the voltages are the same, this power consumption is just linear with the increase in number of transistors. The extra two GPU cores was about 30-40% of the die space in the A5 die pictures. So ~30% if it is using the same fab process as the A5.

Wait and see.
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The point of owning a Android tablet is to have things that the Apple iPad doesn't have like a miniSD card, a full a USB slot, built in HDMI or maybe a keyboard dock that adds another 6 hours of battery time.

Judging by the success of the Fire, I'd have to say you're clueless.
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Note that the SoC isn't in a package-on-package anymore. The RAM is mounted on the other side of the PCB. The A5X looks to be you typical BGA style CPU package. This probably means it's a 45 nm part. How they'll fit all this into the iPhone I don't know.

If the frequency is the same and the voltages are the same, this power consumption is just linear with the increase in number of transistors. The extra two GPU cores was about 30-40% of the die space in the A5 die pictures. So ~30% if it is using the same fab process as the A5.

Wait and see.

1) Thanks for pointing that out. I saw the RAM was on the board now but it didn't click.

2) I'm sure it's 45nm but for the 6th gen iPhone I think it's possible to be 32nm. There is a lot about this A5X the G6 iPhone doesn't need. I also expect the MDM9600 to be replaced by the MDM9615.

3) So that leaves about 40% more power draw to the display assembly?

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Are they Bluetooth 4.0?

No I think their just 2.1 but they are NFC so they rock when I use them on my Nokia N9 and 800, I just touch them up against the phone and they start playing. They also sound great when I use them on my iPad or Asus Slider so I'm not sure 4.0 can make them sound any better, at least nothing my ears could pick up anyway. Besides range what are the benefits of 4.0?
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Limited Legacy Phone Sized Storage: Check.
Google and Samsung will be out with android pad and Retina (a larger one is rumoured too) in a couple of months or so:Check.
Can't wait to use the 3rd Gen Ipad with the Retina Display: Check.

Steve Jobs used to say 'Redmond start your photocopiers' - now 'It's Samsung start your cloning'. Of course having to give them the contract for the retina display in the first place is the weak link in Apple's supply chain because they're always 'In the loop' about about Apple's next move. You couldn't make it up!
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