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Alongside the new iPad, Apple released a new Apple TV with updated hardware capable of receiving (via AirPlay) and displaying 1080p video on an HDTV set.

Shipments of the new 1080p Apple TV began today, one day before the new iPad is set to ship to the first wave of preorders.

The diminutive Apple TV retail box is just a bit bigger than the very small unit itself, and it's being shipped within a larger cardboard box.








Inside the box is an AC power cable (the unit contains its own power supply), an Apple Remote, introductory booklet, and the small black device itself, wrapped in cellophane with a strip of tape around its middle to protect the shiny black finish. Apple doesn't include an HDMI cable for connecting to an HDTV, nor an Ethernet cable (although Apple TV works well wirelessly).

Below, the new Apple TV and its shipping contents are displayed next to the original iOS Apple TV introduced in late 2010.




The original 720p and new 1080p versions of Apple TV are identical in appearance and in ports supplied, with the only external difference being a new model number written in black on black text on the underside.




The new version is more capable in the resolution department (and can also support higher quality AirPlay streams from iTunes 10. and iOS devices), but its core features are available to existing 720p Apple TV users via a free system update, including its larger artwork for featured movies and TV shows and a revised, more iOS-like icon interface that presents Netflix, Vimeo, YouTube and sports and information services more like apps rather than buried menus.






Apple has added 1080p content to iTunes (which the new Apple TV selects by default), and Netflix is making available 1080p content to users of the new device.

Some existing users might want to upgrade to the latest Apple TV to take the fullest advantage of large 1080p HDTV sets, but the free software upgrade Apple provided for existing Apple TV users makes the new model more attractive to new buyers than a "must have" update for existing users.


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post #2 of 56
Well, the resolution difference is noticeable on my Samsung HDTV. I tested using the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show (what? I'm a pig, I admit it), and it really is much better.

Glad I picked this up.
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I sure wish they updated that remote. I have never been able to touch any of the directional buttons without accidentally touching the center button.
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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.
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Well, the resolution difference is noticeable on my Samsung HDTV. I tested using the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show (what? I'm a pig, I admit it), and it really is much better.

Glad I picked this up.

Does the A5 help with the lag experienced while AirPlay gaming?
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I sure wish they updated that remote. I have never been able to touch any of the directional buttons without accidentally touching the center button.

I always use my iPhone or iPad for this very reason.
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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.

What do you suggest? The old one was completely unsuitable for all of the features it now has. And consider more will come in the future.
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I sure wish they updated that remote. I have never been able to touch any of the directional buttons without accidentally touching the center button.

The first thing I did with my Apple TV was program the Apple remote functions into my universal remote. I haven't touched it since.
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I sure wish they updated that remote. I have never been able to touch any of the directional buttons without accidentally touching the center button.

I must admit I do the same. I have to use the iPad whenever I have to enter my user name and password as it takes forever using the remote as I screw up so many times.
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I love the retro-look of the power cord.

Is the connector the standard size? Or do you need to use Apple's cord?
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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.

I still haven't updated my ATV2 software - every time I see pix of the new interface, such as in this article, I just kind of cringe. It seems like such a step backwards, and so cumbersome (IMHO, given my own use patterns).
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I sure wish they updated that remote. I have never been able to touch any of the directional buttons without accidentally touching the center button.

Ditto. Looks great, but poor ergonomics. Reminiscent of the hockey puck mouse.
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I'm pretty sure it's standard.

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I love the retro-look of the power cord.

Is the connector the standard size? Or do you need to use Apple's cord?
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I sure wish they updated that remote. I have never been able to touch any of the directional buttons without accidentally touching the center button.

+1

And I don't like the feel of the click - feels like there's grit under the button.
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What do you suggest? The old one was completely unsuitable for all of the features it now has. And consider more will come in the future.

I suggest giving the ability to rearrange the app-looking icons. That seems like an obvious first step.
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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.

Seems like an incremental improvement in usability to me.

I'd like to be able to make certain features/options that I'll never use disappear from the interface.
I'll never be using MLB or NHL so I'd prefer not to them taking up valuable space.

I'd also like to move things I use a lot to the top of the interface.

[And I'd most like my AppleTV to be able to access media off a networked drive (even if it had to be in an iTunes Library,) rather than off my Mac via iTunes.]
[Also I'm not thrilled with the metadata part of the interface. The AppleTV seems to have trouble reading the metadata from Podcasts and lots of information is truncated, disorganized, and hard to read even on a big screen. Apple needs to take a few choice pointers from the PLEX interface as far as data display.]
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Does the A5 help with the lag experienced while AirPlay gaming?

Having never used it for that, I honestly can't say.

I wish I could have helped.
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Does the A5 help with the lag experienced while AirPlay gaming?

Do you have your Apple TV on ethernet?
Putting as much as possible on ethernet really speeds things up. Desaturating your WiFi makes the the things that need to be on WiFi work much more smoothly.
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Do you have your Apple TV on ethernet?
Putting as much as possible on ethernet really speeds things up. Desaturating your WiFi makes the the things that need to be on WiFi work much more smoothly.

Agreed. I recently wired up my home, and the wifi stuff works way better, not just the wired stuff.

I'll be getting a second Apple TV because we just replaced an old projector and set up a home theater again with a 110" screen. It will make a difference.

I have to say, though, that blu-ray players are starting to really eclipse it in terms of features that we use. If it wasn't for airplay, I might be skipping it. But who am I kidding. It's $100, we use it daily and when we need to put up info on the screen from an iPad or someone's iPhone, I'd sorely miss it if we didn't have one.
post #20 of 56
received mine at work today, cant wait to take it home and try and some of my hd movies on itunes.
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I wonder if the new one has the same bug that my 2010 model is showing with the new software. All my TV shows that are shared from my apple tv are no longer in alphabetical order...they are in the order that they were added to the library. Very unusable.
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About that software update...

There's a bug. On the older version, when you went to TV shows housed on a computer (via Home Sharing), when you displayed "By Show", the shows were in alphabetical order. Now, they're in order of the earliest episode downloaded within the show (that took some thought to figure out).

It's been reported multiple times, and Apple acknowledged it's a bug they're working on, before closing my report as a duplicate.

It's always something, isn't it?

[Edit: And, I see the previous commenter was mentioning the same thing.]
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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.

Me neither. The old one was much easier to navigate, while still allowing for more options. This new one is too much "ooh shiny" for no reason.

Unfortunately, my kids updated my aTV2 while I was out, so it looks like I might be stuck with the new interface.
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I persevered and scooped two new iPads on launch day, but the ordering process took so long i gave up with the apple TV, now online they are 2 weeks!
Does anyone have any insight as to availability in store or other outlets, Walmart, Best-Buy etc for tomorrow morning?
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Does anyone know if the new Apple TV looks better overall? Menus, Photos, etc. Or is it just 1080p iTunes and Netflix?
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Please could someone with a new AppleTV determine if it still resamples all audio to 48 kHz? Many thanks in advance
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Like I've said before, I believe an app-centric interface (such as this current iteration of AppleTV) will most likely be used for the forthcoming Apple-branded TV, with each app representing a different show.

So it makes sense for these apps to be deletable and re-arrangable as they are on the iPhone/iPad interface. Perhaps your iPhone/iPad will be able to mirror what's on the Apple-branded TV so that you can more easily arrange the icons.


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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.

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What do you suggest? The old one was completely unsuitable for all of the features it now has. And consider more will come in the future.

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I still haven't updated my ATV2 software - every time I see pix of the new interface, such as in this article, I just kind of cringe. It seems like such a step backwards, and so cumbersome (IMHO, given my own use patterns).

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I suggest giving the ability to rearrange the app-looking icons. That seems like an obvious first step.

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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN View Post

Seems like an incremental improvement in usability to me.

I'd like to be able to make certain features/options that I'll never use disappear from the interface.
I'll never be using MLB or NHL so I'd prefer not to them taking up valuable space.

I'd also like to move things I use a lot to the top of the interface.

[And I'd most like my AppleTV to be able to access media off a networked drive (even if it had to be in an iTunes Library,) rather than off my Mac via iTunes.]
[Also I'm not thrilled with the metadata part of the interface. The AppleTV seems to have trouble reading the metadata from Podcasts and lots of information is truncated, disorganized, and hard to read even on a big screen. Apple needs to take a few choice pointers from the PLEX interface as far as data display.]
post #28 of 56
Got my 3 new AppleTVs today. Two installed easily and work great. The picture is improved. The third is giving me audio but no pic so I think I have an HDMI cable problem. Will try and switch the cable and see if this fixes the issue.
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Please could someone with a new AppleTV determine if it still resamples all audio to 48 kHz? Many thanks in advance

I'd be more than happy to, but I have no idea how to do that.

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The most important question is STILL...

WHERE IS THE APPLE TV APP STORE?!



Oh, also why isn't Bluetooth enabled by default again? Why can't we stream 1080P via AirPlay? Are we waiting on 802.11ac for that?!
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The most important question is STILL...

WHERE IS THE APPLE TV APP STORE?!



Oh, also why isn't Bluetooth enabled by default again? Why can't we stream 1080P via AirPlay? Are we waiting on 802.11ac for that?!

Before they launch an Apple TV app store they'd have to ship a new Apple TV with some usable onboard RAM in order to store the apps.
post #32 of 56
It is just about pointless update other than keeping up with the Joneses.

Sorry, I love Apple products. I have the ATV2 but this one was just underwhelming. Congrats to the new owners, though.
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post #33 of 56
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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.

I'm liking it. Nice, functional, and easy to navigate layout.
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I'd be more than happy to, but I have no idea how to do that.

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You'll only be able to do it by connecting the AppleTV via optical cable to a DAC or amplifier that reports the sample rate of the incoming signal. If you've got such a setup, stream a 44.1 kHz sample-rate file (preferably both by pulling content from iTunes to AppleTV by choosing the "computers" option from the ATV UI, and by pushing via AirPlay) and see if it comes out at 44.1 or 48 kHz
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You'll only be able to do it by connecting the AppleTV via optical cable to a DAC or amplifier that reports the sample rate of the incoming signal. If you've got such a setup, stream a 44.1 kHz sample-rate file (preferably both by pulling content from iTunes to AppleTV by choosing the "computers" option from the ATV UI, and by pushing via AirPlay) and see if it comes out at 44.1 or 48 kHz

Ahh, no, don't have that set-up.

Well, it was worth a try.
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The first thing I did with my Apple TV was program the Apple remote functions into my universal remote. I haven't touched it since.

+1. Universal all the way.

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It is just about pointless update other than keeping up with the Joneses.

Sorry, I love Apple products. I have the ATV2 but this one was just underwhelming. Congrats to the new owners, though.

I agree here too. Very blah and underwhelming update. I still sold all three for $80/per, and will get 3 more tomorrow on amazon. It's worth a $19 upgrade at least (for the A5 processor). I'm holding out for hope it also has upgraded ram and wireless range. The Teardown will tell the tale.

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The most important question is STILL...

WHERE IS THE APPLE TV APP STORE?!

Don't need one since Airplay mirroring exists for iPhones, iPads, and with ML, in Macs.

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Oh, also why isn't Bluetooth enabled by default again?

What do you need bluetooth for? Seems like a waste of power.

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Why can't we stream 1080P via AirPlay?

You can, but you can't mirror from an iPad or iPhone at 1080p, likely because those devices can't encode at that quality and function at the same time

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Are we waiting on 802.11ac for that?!

No, for capable hardware.
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Before they launch an Apple TV app store they'd have to ship a new Apple TV with some usable onboard RAM in order to store the apps.

Actually, since your iTunes account and aTV can be synced the OS could have a "Purchased Apps" category in the same manner it handles purchased movies and TV with the purchased apps reloaded on the fly. Apps could even stay resident until they are flushed out to make room for a new downloaded app using the logic of least used, first replaced.
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I'm not liking the new Apple TV user interface at all.

It looks to me like it's designed to layout perfectly on an iPad, so I'm guessing we will see a dedicated app that mirrors the interface on the iPad or even iPhone/Touch - it makes a bit more sense when you start thinking about flicking and swiping...
post #40 of 56
Why does it not include an HDMI cable? One would think Apple would make their products useable right out of the box.

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