First look: Apple's new third-generation iPad with Retina display - Page 5

Oh, I disagree! I opened on both the 2, and the new one at the same time. Look at the opening sequence with the figure Stan dint at the right side. You will see a big difference in the aliasing at the edges of the figure. The older version on the 2 has much more. Noticeable differences in the scenery as well. I'm seeing it on everything I look at.

What I like that Apple has finally done is to allow the retina resolution phone apps to appear in their retina resolution instead of forcing the low resolution version on the iPad as before. This makes a big difference, and makes phone apps, which before were mostly unusable, or very annoying, a pleasure to use in the 2x magnified state.

This is a major useage advance.

Yeah, I just posted that in my rep,y to the post just above yours.

It seems that with over 200,000 iPad apps available, Apple is no longer worried about phone apps with retina resolution impeding iPad app development. They could have done this for the old iPad, as even in 1x magnification, as we can see now, retina iPhone apps would have filled most of the screen, and would have looked just fine. As they say: Better late than never. Now I can use some of those phone only apps I deleted from the iPad some ti e ago.

Hey, you're ten years older than me. I had no idea! But you're right. I found that with my iPhone 4, and now the 4S, I could read type that was far too small to read before, not only on the phone, but in a magazine. The contrast on these screens is so much better, that the type "pops". Same thing with the new iPad.

What's interesting, now that I've had this thing since 8:15 am, is that while at first, I was specifically looking for places where type was sharper, and I was going from web site to web site, app to app, and book to book, I've calmed down. But in doing so, I'm finding that the experience is even more impressive.

I know that some people just hate superlatives when describing Apple's products, but the screen is just otherworldly. Very hard to describe to someone who hasn't used it. The writers who say that going back to the older models is impossible, are correct. Use this for a while, and try the older model, and it's actually difficult. Everything now looks horrible. And the older screens were pretty good. I've been using them for two years!. But the text always did bother me in sizes smaller than 12 point, on screen. And even that had some rendering problems.

I have found a couple of things that are not perfect though. The first is that Apple has the brightness a bit too low. If it's set a bit higher, the whites get much whiter and lose most of that magenta look, and everything becomes better separated. The other problem, at least on my unit, is that there is a bit of magenta/green crossover. For those who don't know what that means, it's when the contrast of one, or more colors is different from the others. In this case it means that the magenta/green, which is one color actually, has a contrast that is greater than the red/cyan and blue/yellow colors. So shadows are going magenta, and lighter colors are going green. But there is another change in the highlights back to magnets.

One thing I always hoped Apple would do, is to allow companies to gain access to the color controls of the device so that we could plug a monitor calibration device in the connector, and correct the screen. I bought a calibrator that uses a connection the the Mac to do this for the iPad, but you must view photos and graphics through their own app on the iPad for the correction to function. There is a difference, and it does make the colors better, and more to standards. I'll calibrate this during the weekend. With the higher saturation it will work better as there's more room to move. But a true screen calibration ability would make such a big difference that I wish I could force Apple to allow that.

The individual colors are purer and cleaner though as it is.

That is GOOD satire!

Enough! I will begin handing out points, and deleting posts if this continues.

It's pretty bright if you turn it up a bit. I noticed that it was too dim, at their setting. Turning it up a bit cleans up the whites considerably.

It's at 100% with Auto Adjust turned off. The iPad has never been as bright as I'd like.

I mentioned in another post that there seems to be a slight magenta/green crossover. I see these things to a greater or lessor extent in all tablets so far. That accounts for the purple looking blue, as magenta added to blue makes purple.

No, it would be you that ths the douchbag, if you used that kind of name calling. If you have no restraint, then it is you who are the problem. Politeness is still an issue. If you don't like what someone says, you can ignore the post, or point out the problems. If they still ignore you, you can turn them off so you don't see them.

But attacking them is childish, and childish behavior is punished in children everywhere.

I'm testing the video against the same thing I tested the ATV3 -- My Victoria's Secret Fashion Show video.

With all the glitter and jewels and everything else, it's a great test (it's also just a lot of incredibly hot women in lingerie). I've never seen any display this amazing. It's ridiculous. This is clearer than anything I've seen.

I mean, yeah, the reading is amazing. Text is improved by like 1000x. And as a comics reader, I absolutely love reading comics on this thing. But wow: this video is crazy!

And whoever said that you can see the details in the icons which are already in a folder, I couldn't agree more. There's this TINY little icon inside another icon, and I can tell immediately what it is, I can see the image the icon is projecting. That's INSANE!

I can't speak well to color balance, since I have a color deficiency. But the depth of color looks much more impressive than it is on my iMac. Hell, it looks a lot better than it looks on my Samsung HDTV.

Dictation is awesome. I love it. I'll be using it all the time. The whole thing seems much faster, maybe it's just my imagination. I don't honesty know. Reading on this thing is incredible. Now, where the hell I was in the middle of that novel, I have no idea!

This is my favorite gadget I've ever bought, and I thought for sure that it would be the iPhone 3S. Then I got the 4S. Then I got this.

I couldn't be happier.

Just curious...

Any others seeing an unusual amount of 'screen bleeding' in the corners/edges of their 'new' iPads ?

I'm on the second one that suffers from it pretty badly, especially when compared to my GT 7.7's SAMOLED+ display (which has absolutely none).

Well I guess my problem is gaming with IB2 extensively on the iPhone 4 and 4S. Yes, antialising has improved, but at the expense of details.

I don't have any pic, but fire up IB2 on iPhone 4/4S and iPad (3rd Gen). You will notice that although the scenery definitely improved, the game characters themselves seem stuck in the previous resolution. Texture on the characters on iPhone is incredible next to the iPad. The HUD icons also looks washed out.

Modern Combat 3 is even worse- the characters look like they were blown up from iPhone resolution. However, this is probably more about Gameloft putting make up on a pig (their characters tend to be look crude).

I don't think it's the limitation of the device. I can definitely see the difference on retina native apps (non games). Hopefully, the developers release another update to bump up the resolution on the characters as well. Maybe they were being cautious that the games would slow down tremendously.

I can't wait for IB Dungeons to be released to see if the retina screen would be fully exploited by then. The new iPad's competition is the bar set by iPhone. I want my game characters to look as sharp and gorgeous on both devices.

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Gosh I just love that SAMOLED+ display, sure the Retna has rez going for it but the colors and how dark those blacks are, just yummy that's all. I love my Samsung 7.7 to, best tablet I have ever owned.

There's always room for cello!

Got my hands on a new iPad yesterday. Superb screen with no bleed. I have a 2 and even though the screen was gorgeous it didn't compel me to upgrade

It felt just like a 2 but with better screen, plus I noticed it dit get more noticeably warmer.
I'm waiting for he 4 instead.

That is nice to know. When flying economy the engine noise is too loud to hear the audio of a regular movie with dialogue. At least with the standard ear buds that is.

I have to tell you, you do need to polish up on those Photoshop skills. The image is doctored. If you sample the color values of the frames of the devices, not the actual screen region, the bezel, they both should be black however the iPad frame measures RGB (16 5 17) where the Tab measures RGB (1 0 2) making it much more black. This fact alone would lead one to suspect that the iPad image has been lightened artificially. Furthermore the whites on the two images are different, again showing that they are retouched images. And finally the iPad image is out of focus. Bottom line: both images are doctored to make the Tab blacker and the iPad lighter. Even the text you typed (in Copperplate, yuck) has different anti aliasing and color. Nice try.

It may be true that the Tab is blacker but there is no need to misrepresent it. Besides, black is not an approved Apple color. Once you visit Apple.com with all the light open white space and soft grays, sharp bright colors, black is not so important. If you are into dark black stick with a Tab.

BTW How did you manage to already get a return and replacement on launch day?

So besides using a doctored photo your argument is that AMOLED is blacker than LCD? Hold the fucking presses!!

I replaced mine. Received my 32GB iPad from FedEx just before noon and then walked down to the Apple Store (it's a block away) to exchange it for 64GB model. There was no line when I got there but that wouldn't have mattered since I wasn't a "new" buyer.

Behind the Genius Bar they had hundreds stacked up. I assume each of the stacks was a different SKU but I can't be certain. When I left 5 minutes later there were about 10 people lined up between the wall and stanchions.

In fact, they had so many in store units I will likely not pre-order my iPhone this year.

How do we rework the website to exploit iPad retina?

Many sites use CSS specified in pixels. The iPad has to take into account what the size of something is in 72 pixels per inch in order to scale it to the proper size even though it has a higher pixel density. The text will render much sharper but website builders cannot use higher resolution images embedded in the page or it will throw the layout off. Sure you can link to a higher res image directly which would leverage the iPad screen res, but that is just an image not a website.

There are also some CSS bugs in Mobile Safari versus Desktop Safari with respect to specifying 'em' instead of 'px'. In either case it is the same situation we have had all along where designers need to develop multiple code bases for different devices which costs money, so I don't see people deciding to build a desktop, a mobile , and yet another iPad retina site. iPad will continue to use the regular site for awhile.

Not only that both tablets are the same size and aspect ratio

Black is the absence of light... A poor job of doctoring images to prove a point -- is the absence of sense.

I don't know anyone who uses at close to that level.

That's two different things you're talking about. One is aliasing, and the other is higher Rez images. The aliasing is markedly reduced, and that's what we're originally talking about. The resolution may be the same so far. But they popped this new update out pretty fast, so that's to be expected. It does look much better when comparing both screens together at the same time.

Some reviewers have already said, such as The Virge, that they would now have to upgrade their sites. So apparently, there is the recognition that something must be done.

Had to Google that one. Glad I did! Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpHbVi2P_g

Maybe Apple has invented some tags we can use to toggle images. Normally you do not want to scale images in the web page because it causes the browser to resample the image on the fly which they all suck at. If you put a high res image in a page and then scale it in the html it looks like crap.

You are, of course, correct... a web developer would need to detect an iPad with retina then serve pages customized to exploit the pixel density.

It certainly is extra work.

Consider, though, why people develop openly-accessable web sites... to attract hits and hold onto users!

I suspect that several innovative site designs will emerge that will attract hits by delivering a better user experience by catering to the iPad retina display -- things like:

• bigger controls/slide-outs for easier navigation
  
• full screen mode for better user immersion
  
• larger/more readable text
  
• higher quality images
  
• higher quality video
  
• better overall user experience

There already are some sites that tailor their presentation to:

• downloadable touch app
  
• touch-optimzed browser presentation
  
• normal browser presentation

For example, visit week.com on an iPad, iPhone and computer.

http://www.eweek.com/

They do a nice job for an iPad (or other tablets?) but they could take it to a whole 'nother level for a retina display.

I suspect that Apple could enhance the Safari implementation of webkit to allow web pages to exploit iPad hardware and iOS features -- including retina, graphics, animation, AirPlay, etc. Then, offer these enhancements as part of the webkit standard -- so other browser's could exploit them.

My point is that if there is an advantage to tailoring a website to specific hardware that is very popular (tens of millions of active compatible devices) -- likely, many web sites will choose to do it.

For example, what if Yahoo Maps and/or Mapquest does an immersive map site for iPad and iPad retina... and Google Maps continues with the same old, same old... which one would you use?

You know at least one.

I can't say, as I haven't done this for several years, but I assume something can be done, and they seem to be acknowledging it.

But do I really KNOW you?

Yes 16 is now a pathetic size, 32 is the new 16 and 64 is the new 32. I'm guessing Apple had to make a trade off on the smaller supply of 64GB storage modules - choosing to use them all in the 64GB iPhone 4S vs using two of them in 128GB iPads which I was expecting to be able to buy for perhaps $1029. I figure a $200 premium for an additional 64 is worth it. But I guess Apple makes even more off each one of those in a 64GB iPhone 4S that might otherwise go into short supply if those modules were partially diverted to the new iPads. So it looks like we'll have to figure out how to manage on the same old 64GB that filled up our first two iPads in no time at all even sooner than we did these first two years. That is the one (missing) spec that really bummed me out about this new iPad. Of course I ordered a Black AT&T 64 anyway.

I haven't really done any web page design since 2001... so my currency is limited.

What if you had a new, more flexible <image> tag implementation -- similar to the <video> tag.

Say, you detect a retina device and:

1. present/download the tailored high res image to the browser device -- where it can be scaled by the browser using the GPUs
   
2. present/download a preferred medium or lower res image for immediate display, while the higher res images are downloaded in the background by a hidden frame (likely, a user browser option to prevent or allow this)
   
3. Have a scalable (pinch zoom) page including a scalable image display area that holds the full res image that can be panned and zoomed itself. If done on the server the image zooming would, likely, need to be restricted to a few, predetermined, fixed sizes -- then the server would only need to serve the appropriate-sized tiles as the image is panned.

How could you...

Sol only believes in the existence of self

solipsism |ˈsälipˌsizəm| noun
the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

I guess one could ask if we really ever know anyone, but after chatting with you for many years I certainly know things about you. I don't know what you look like but that's mostly irrelevant to knowing someone. You know plenty of things about me as well, including my real name (assuming you paid attention).

In regards to tech, politics, etc. I'm certain you have a pretty good idea how I and many others here will likely respond to a given topic even before we do. I don't think you can not get to know someone after years of discourse. Internet forums can be like pen pals of yesteryear except exercised in a collective.

So yes, you do know me.

I was under the impression that Apple was changing the packaging of iDevice apps so that components that were targeted at a specific screen size or resolution were packaged in separate modules that could be included or eliminated at install time...

• base code
• 3.5" display components
• 9.7" display components
• 3.5" display components standard res
• 3.5" display components retina res
• 9.7" display components standard res
• 9.7" display components retina res

For example a Universal app would only download (from the app store to the device) the components needed for that specific device type. Later, when the device syncs to local iTunes and copies the app from the app to iTunes, the entire Universal package is downloaded (for other [any] device types) whenever the local iTunes connects to iTunes store.

I just checked, and this does not appear to be implemented for Apple's latest iWork and iLife apps.

I wonder if I misunderstood something I read -- or am just jumping the gun...

Maybe a natural feature for iOS 6!

Well he has a point, you can install Ubuntu on it for goodness sakes. Plus now with the ICS available it's actually a nice tablet for media consumption and surfing. Well that is if you don't live in iTunes for your media. You can plug it into any computer, let it be an Apple, Windows, Linux, Solaris or even another tablet it mounts itself as a drive. So you can simply drag your media files over without going threw the hassle of syncin with iTunes or any other annoying program. You can play every conceivable codec on it without having to buy any additinal apps. Which most that you buy still don't play every codec so you have to buy at least 3 to match the capabilties of ICS. I'm talking media here nothing else so don't get mad at me.

If I only had two hundred dollars in my pocket the Touchpad is a very good choice. A person would be very happy with it. Sure it's not a Apple but it's still a very worthy and versatile tablet. I do know one thing for a fact your average Touchpad user is a lot more computer savy then your average Apple user so you can't call them idiots.

A little off subject here but do you think Apple is slowly converging iOS with OSX like what Microsoft is doing with their desktop and mobile OS. If so do you think that is a good thing? Will we see a smarter phone/tablet OS and a dumber desktop OS, well not dumber just more iOSified, so yea dumber.

That's actually just an assumption. For example, the statement: I think, therefor I am, is incorrect. All we can know from it is: I think, therefor I think. It's a well known error in logic.

But, all I really communicate with is words. I don't really know from what, or whom, those words are flowing. So I can't assume I know you at all. I can assume you're a person, but I don't actually know that. You could be a Turing machine.