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post #41 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:43pm
Remember the MHz craze where PC motherboards where equipped with powerful (and power gobbling) fans?
What's that for a fire hazard?

About a fire hazard when the iPad 3 is wrapped in a blanket.
I am sure, whenever the temperature gets too high (if it ever does), the iPad3 will just shut off.
As do most recent computing devices, because they have sensors all over the place.
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post #42 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

If only there was some way to move your hand on occasion or to rotate the device 180°. I just thought of a way! That thing I just said.

The hottest part seems to be in one corner (bottom left when facing iPad) - this is where the A5X chip is unsurprisingly, as the motherboard runs vertically up the left side) so it's another case of 'don't hold it that way'.



Rotating it to the right so that the rear camera is near the right hand should be the coolest position. The iPad can also then be used as a weapon to scald others.

I think they need to figure out how to disperse the heat across their devices better. The laptops are the same.
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post #43 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:43pm
They're holding it wrong.
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post #44 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

If true, so what?

If ist get's too hot it'll switch Off anyway. This might be a bit annoying, if you are just about to reach some top score. Again: So What?

I think some people keep the exploding ipod battery fiasco in Japan in the back of their mind so this news is getting more attention than it needs.
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post #45 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post

You actually believe the bumper provides protection? Not improved antenna reception? Why is it the only iPhone Apple ever made that needs a faux case?
Call me crazy- think different!

So lets think about what you've claimed in this thread. You claimed the iPhone 4 (which was the primary world wide phone for an extra long 15 months and is still being sold after nearly 2 years) was fatally flawed that Apple creased a "faux case" for it. You claim the fixed this fatal flaw with the Verizon iPhone (yet somehow ignoring that the antenna is still external, which was the primary knee jerk reaction that started all this) and implied that there are no reasons for a completely different network type to need a different antenna design. You have then ignored that Apple redesigned this "faux case", which works very well at preventing accidental damage while keeping the bulk down, to work with the Verizon iPhone and iPhone 4S. For your claims that it was designed for the iPhone 4 because it was impossible to get a single without a case it would also mean that it is impossible for the iPhone 4 for Verizon and iPhone 4S since they designed a case for it as well.

Again, how has neraly every component on the iPhone been fatally flawed since altering and updating components is proof they were designed broken?

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post #46 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:46pm
I'm in the middle of running three iPad 3 'heat' tests for iPad Creative. I'm not at all convinced that the slight increase in temperature is down to the GPU, I think it's to do with recharging.
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post #47 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

I believe Apple already said that it takes longer to charge. How much investigation do you need?



You have to understand - no one actually expects real technical information from Consumer Reports. Anyone who cares about facts would get their information somewhere else.

CR makes its money by convincing people that CR is on the consumer's side - and creating these silly scam issues helps CR more than it hurts. They simply never retract their insanity and the consumers eat it up.

I stopped reading that rag ages ago. In a field of products with similar qualities they recommend some seemingly arbitrary item with four stars. Except it's not arbitrary at all. They are wined and dined and whichever company wines the most gets the 'tops in category' rating.

Apple doesn't do that silly stuff. They make their products, the people let them know if it's great or not. So, i guess they have another 'enemy' because they wont play the usual games, including Consumer Reports' games. We have so much crap infotainment. Money trumps all don't it.
But guess who makes the MOST money..Apple. Guess how they make it...by not resorting to that sort of hyper inflated crap. Amazing how simple life can really be when you apply yourself isn't it. Perhaps Apple can yet teach the marketplace how to focus on what's important!
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post #48 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by VanFruniken View Post

Remember the MHz craze where PC motherboards where equipped with powerful (and power gobbling) fans?
What's that for a fire hazard?

About a fire hazard when the iPad 3 is wrapped in a blanket.
I am sure, whenever the temperature gets too high (if it ever does), the iPad3 will just shut off.
As do most recent computing devices, because they have sensors all over the place.

Depends. An Intel chip will shut the machine down, and AMD one will (or at least used to) keep going until it gets hot enough to become a fire hazard.

Also, running a pc fan doesn't gobble up too much power, but of course the difference is the case they're in allows for that kind of airflow over problem areas. I've always been impressed with how capable tablets are with passive cooling.
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post #49 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:48pm
I hate being outside on a 110+ degree day. An absolute nightmare!

But for the sake of a game like Infinity Blade II, Ill hold 110+ degrees in my hand Or Id put a cover on it like my iPad 2. More heat inside, less on my skin... the iPad will just have to deal...

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post #50 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:50pm
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Depends. An Intel chip will shut the machine down, and AMD one will (or at least used to) keep going until it gets hot enough to become a fire hazard.

Wait, AMD doesn't have any self-preservation stuff built into it? Like if I turned on a freshly-seated AMD chip in a motherboard without putting any thermal paste or heatsinks on it, it would simply melt itself into the board?

Seems I've found another reason to not like AMD, then. ATI I'm fine with, but AMD
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post #51 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:51pm
[QUOTE=tdws;2077086]Are you guys trying to argue that Consumer Reports has some kind of grudge against Apple? With this latest test, they seem to be dealing in facts that better inform consumer buying decisions. /QUOTE]

I don't think CR has a grudge against Apple. Rather, they look for any silly fabricated complaints that can get lots of hits for their web site and subscribers for their magazine. They have found that fabricating stories about Apple does that better than any real stories they can come up with.

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Apple is now a behemoth. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. So if you love the company and what it stands for, why would you oppose holding it to account?

No one opposed holding Apple to account. But how does what CR is doing hold anyone to account? It's a fabricated non-issue that they're trying to get people stirred up over.
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post #52 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

Rotating it to the right so that the rear camera is near the right hand should be the coolest position. The iPad can also then be used as a weapon to scald others.

I think they need to figure out how to disperse the heat across their devices better. The laptops are the same.

How to use your iPad as a weapon:

Step 1: Install and run Infinity Blade 2 ($6.99)
Step 2: Press lower-left back area of iPad against a person's skin.
Step 3: Wait several hours, hopefully thinking of more effective methods.

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post #53 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Cracked Displaygate
Antennagate
Locationgate
Batterygate
Heatgate
mobilemegate
Walled gardengate
Sweat shopgate

I've lost track.

Let's see.

Suicidegate
Underageworkergate
Crackedcubegate
Rosettagate
Sirigate

I'm sure there are plenty more, but Giada is on TV so I'm distracted.
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post #54 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

So lets think about what you've claimed in this thread. You claimed the iPhone 4 (which was the primary world wide phone for an extra long 15 months and is still being sold after nearly 2 years) was fatally flawed that Apple creased a "faux case" for it. You claim the fixed this fatal flaw with the Verizon iPhone (yet somehow ignoring that the antenna is still external, which was the primary knee jerk reaction that started all this) and implied that there are no reasons for a completely different network type to need a different antenna design. You have then ignored that Apple redesigned this "faux case", which works very well at preventing accidental damage while keeping the bulk down, to work with the Verizon iPhone and iPhone 4S. For your claims that it was designed for the iPhone 4 because it was impossible to get a single without a case it would also mean that it is impossible for the iPhone 4 for Verizon and iPhone 4S since they designed a case for it as well.

Again, how has neraly every component on the iPhone been fatally flawed since altering and updating components is proof they were designed broken?

What r u ranting on about ad nauseum?
Forward the quote where I claim the iPhone 4 is "fatally flawed?" or Did you conjure that up?
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post #55 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Some comparison photo's with other devices, also running stress tests would be nice, you know so consumers have some idea how it fares against other devices in the same category and make an informed choice.

So I wonder why CR didn't do this?

Seeing as they do this all the time, I would expect a more rigorous comparison with competitors in the future. And they did do a comparison with the previous model.
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post #56 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:55pm
So now we know why, when trying to decide what to call the new iPad, Apple finally rejected "IcePad"...

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post #57 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by timborama View Post

They're holding it wrong.

Either that or sweaty palms...
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post #58 of 175
3/20/12 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

I think CR figures (like many a tech web site) that "bad stuff about Apple" is a proven eyeball deliverer. That's not a grudge, that's just cynical expedience. Which is unfortunate, because CR used to have a reputation for being pretty dispassionate.

But "opening an investigation" into something as silly as "new iPad gets a little warmer"? That's pandering, straight up. A real turnoff.

And "absolute power corrupts absolutely"? What? Are you saying Apple has decided to deliver iPads that seer your flesh and now intends to cover that fact up with evil mind control, so CR to the rescue? What does somewhat warmer have to do with corruption?

It can't hurt to know the facts about the device. One of the chief appeals of the iPad to me anyway is that it doesn't get hot like a laptop. It's not "silly." If you don't like the information, don't read it.

You're not understanding my point about absolute power. I was referring to power in the marketplace. I think Apple is great, but constantly cheerleading everything it does and railing against any criticism is not going to help the organization. The number one problem Apple faces going forward is getting too full of itself. And regardless it doesn't matter -- consumers want information and they will get it. CR is an awesome organization that does a great job. If that doesn't jive with Apple Marketing, so be it.
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post #59 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:02pm
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Apple is now a behemoth. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Hyperbole much?
Save your outrage for Goldman Sachs.
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post #60 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by tdws View Post

Are you guys trying to argue that Consumer Reports has some kind of grudge against Apple? With this latest test, they seem to be dealing in facts that better inform consumer buying decisions.

Apple is now a behemoth. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. So if you love the company and what it stands for, why would you oppose holding it to account?

Consumer Reports will make a big deal out of anything Apple because Apple is high profile. It makes the masses pay attention. It's a marketing play. One that you are falling for. The only winner is Consumer Reports.
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post #61 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

I think they need to figure out how to disperse the heat across their devices better.

Judging from the thermal images, they seem to have done just that.

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post #62 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by tdws View Post

One of the chief appeals of the iPad to me anyway is that it doesn't get hot like a laptop.

Sure, I agree that it's an appeal that the casing never feels hot the way the bottom of a notebook gets hot, but that doesn't appear to be CR's focus. They seem to still be looking for the kink in Apple's armour since they were debunked back in 2010 with the iPhone 4's antenna issue. By Jobs no less giving them a royal smack down and making fun of their testing facility.

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CR is an awesome organization that does a great job.

I can't recall any CE-based testing and reporting by CR that was better than the tech sites I visit. If I want info on a washing machine or toaster oven I'll go to CR but with CE they don't show any expertise, thoroughness or objectivity, especially in regards to Apple.

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post #63 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:10pm
I blame global warming. Maybe the CO2 levels are higher inside.
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post #64 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post

So, has CR actually tested the temperature of other tablets? How about laptops? My Dell used to get so hot it would be extremely uncomfortable to place on your lap. If they haven't, then this is just garbage reporting/testing. ...

When the antennagate story came out I tested my HTC phone and sure enough it had the same issue BUT you only noticed in areas where the signal was nearly dead anyways. Then Apple and others tested Blackberrys, etc. and indeed many had the same "problem" but CR and others kept criticizing Apple.

The good news here is when CR cannot recommend a device it becomes the most successful of its type and has the highest degree of user satisfaction. Thank you CR.
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post #65 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

How to use your iPad as a weapon:

Step 1: Install and run Infinity Blade 2 ($6.99)
Step 2: Press lower-left back area of iPad against a person's skin.
Step 3: Wait several hours, hopefully thinking of more effective methods.

step 4: Profit!
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post #66 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:18pm
Hey conspiracy theorists,

If this was planned by Apple then where is the Apple iMitt so they can charge you another $59 just to hold your iPad.

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post #67 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:20pm
Apple is DOOM!



By the way, it's not atypical for the air temperature in Arizona to hit 110 or 115 in the summer... cars sitting in the sun in a parking lot in Phoenix in August are hot enough to hurt when you get back in them. When I would visit my father there I would run out and turn my car on with the AC blaring and then go back in the house for 10 minutes to cool the car off before I could drive anywhere. I think 116 degrees is not that big of a deal.
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post #68 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:20pm
Consumer Reports must read the tech blogs to get their ideas. Oops we screwed up we just published an article claiming the new iPad, and I quote from CR:

"The new iPad is shaping up as the best tablet yet"

Yep that is the title of their review.

http://news.consumerreports.org/elec...ablet-yet.html

They have nothing but good things to say about it. And yes, they "tested" it in their lab.

Now someone gave them the idea that they can make more money by claming the opposite in that Apple's new device has series issues. I wouldn't even take CR's advice on a toaster, which by the way I do need a new one. I bought a really expensive one and it broke down pretty soon after I got it.

Just for kicks I went back and discovered that CR gave my broken down toaster their highest recommendation. I rest my case.

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post #69 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:20pm
In other news... running your car at redline will cause it to overheat. News at 11.
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post #70 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:22pm
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Meanwhile, it's been recently reported that the ads in Android's ad subsidized apps get the same permissions as the app-- that is, once you tell an app it can have access to your info, the advertiser gets access to that info. Nary a peep. No "ad gate", no outcry, no invitations from Congress to explain themselves.

Link? That's a new one to me and pretty mind blowing if true. Not doubting you, just wanting to save myself 2 minutes of Googling to read more detailed info.

edit: Nevermind, see that it broke in the UK on the 5th. Wow. Have I been purposely not paying attention to Android articles or did this not make much of a splash in the U.S.?
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post #71 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:25pm
The "problem" here is twofold. Firstly, higher power consumption (processing) = more heat generation. second, higher power draw (from battery ) = more heat generation. I suspect adding a third variable into the mix, such as simultaneous charge/discharge, may further compound the "problem." I don't know enough about the charging circuitry to really speculate on that third variable. Increased temp was one of the first things I noticed about the new iPad, but it hasn't gotten to the point of bothering me yet.
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post #72 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:25pm
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When the antennagate story came out I tested my HTC phone and sure enough it had the same issue BUT you only noticed in areas where the signal was nearly dead anyways. Then Apple and others tested Blackberrys, etc. and indeed many had the same "problem" but CR and others kept criticizing Apple.

The good news here is when CR cannot recommend a device it becomes the most successful of its type and has the highest degree of user satisfaction. Thank you CR.

The Apple haters like to ignore the real reason for the public outcry for "antennagate" which was the number of bars being presented on the phone. When you block the signal the dB level drops but the iPhone 4 with its ingenious design didn't have the value of each bar adjusted to be inline with the new device. That was Apple's flaw with the iPhone 4. Even AnandTech, the site that first broke the story and did the most detailed research even said...
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The Antenna is Improved
From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4 performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal is very low, at -113 dBm (1 bar). Previously, dropping this low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dBm as I have with the iPhone 4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS. The difference is that reception is massively better on the iPhone 4 in actual use.


PS: The pendulum of life has swung toward crazy so now I assume we'll see some independent testing of how hot the older iPads get under max load while charging. It was usually cool, but it, like my iPhones, can get very warm when being charged. Eventually sanity prevails... or perhaps I'm too insane to realize it doesn't. \

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post #73 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:28pm
Temperature is relative. 10 degree temp diff in Fahrenheit doesn't equal 10 degree diff in Celsius or Kelvin (absolute). However, it does make it into a scandalous percentage (which means nothing).
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post #74 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:28pm
I for one am taking apple to court!! Just yesterday I got in my car with very short shorts mind you. I then put the iPad between my legs. And while driving around I received very serious burns on my inner thighs!!!
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post #75 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:32pm
Hey folks.....after 45 minutes of Infinity Blade II, take a break, get a life....I hear there is a 3D World outside with incredible Retina Graphics.
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post #76 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:33pm
Consumer reports is trying to stay relevant. Way back when, before actual users of the product had a chance to review and post it in the various sites, CR was the mcdaddy of reviews. Some people would not even buy something unless CR gave it a thumbs up. Well, unfortunately that's based on the criteria the CR reviewers go by. Every time I bought something based on their recommendation, I lived to regret it. They tend to recommend plain vanilla things with no style no frills and often limited features and low cost. Great if that's what you want.

I would much rather go by reviews I read from other sources that include actual users of the product. Amazon reviews are usually spot on. Consumer reports may still be important to some people, but their market is shrinking fast.
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post #77 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by tdws View Post

CR is an awesome organization that does a great job. If that doesn't jive with Apple Marketing, so be it.

I'm thinking of applying for a job at CR. Can you pull some strings? What are the working conditions like? Management friendly? Coffee good?
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post #78 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by gprovida View Post

I am confused, the iPad 2012 is a bit warmer than older version. OK, this is a weather report, not a complaint.

(snip)

Do not understand? Sounds like a fishing expedition.
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After reading through the article it certainly sounds like a fishing expedition, but not on CR's part, more on all the blogs that are picking it up and running as if it's more than it is. The article says it runs a little warmer. Everywhere else I've seen the article referenced it's used in a screaming, scandalous, headline grabbing context, and then you click to the article and it's this little 200 word thing with no exclamation points that basically says it runs a little warmer. The article looks fine. The section here on AI less so.
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post #79 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by tdws View Post

It can't hurt to know the facts about the device. One of the chief appeals of the iPad to me anyway is that it doesn't get hot like a laptop. It's not "silly." If you don't like the information, don't read it.

You're not understanding my point about absolute power. I was referring to power in the marketplace. I think Apple is great, but constantly cheerleading everything it does and railing against any criticism is not going to help the organization. The number one problem Apple faces going forward is getting too full of itself. And regardless it doesn't matter -- consumers want information and they will get it. CR is an awesome organization that does a great job. If that doesn't jive with Apple Marketing, so be it.

Yeah, but see, I think this is all nonsense. If you haven't noticed, Apple comes into a great deal of criticism, about pretty much every choice it makes, all the time. The idea that "the number one problem Apple faces going forward is getting too full of itself", and that therefore any criticism, no matter how spurious, is a needed corrective, is daft.

The number one problem Apple faces going forward is to continue to engineer highly desirable products. To the extend that they make mistakes (which they have been doing all along, if you haven't noticed) they need to be corrected.

Breathless breaking news investigative reports on something as transient as the usual spate of complaints that great each and every Apple product release isn't going to keep Apple honest, and it isn't going to give me any useful information. If iPads start combusting in any significant numbers, or if we see a pattern of premature failure, or if people start getting corrupted data off their iCloud feeds, then yes, by all means, I want to know about that. "iPad gets warmer but not uncomfortably so when running the GPU full out"? That's not a news story, it's click bait.

And I have to say I'm getting fucking sick of the logical fallacy of "if it reflects poorly on Apple it must be brave truth in the face of fan boys and the relentless Apple machine." It's lazy thinking. And it's "jibe", not "Jive."
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post #80 of 175
3/20/12 at 1:38pm
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Hey conspiracy theorists,

If this was planned by Apple the where is the Apple iMitt so they can charge you another $59 just to hold your iPad.


That's awesome!
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