Originally Posted by digitalclips
My take is after running the beta, pros will prefer 7 on PCs and consumers will prefer iPads for tablets. Then I am biased.
Well, I can't see Enterprise customers wanting to switch over to touch-screen monitors and new software that is "touch screen aware" just to take advantage of Win8. They usually do it "all or none" to make it easier for IT to support. MS is making the bar too high for Win8 adoption IMHO.
Originally Posted by jwestveer
Micro$oft must think that someone cares. A newer buggy whip will not have much of a market, now that people are driving automobiles.
Apple's success with the Fortune 2000 Enterprise market with the iPhone and iPads seems to agree with your comment. MS can call it WM8 but it's still V1.0 in an Apple world of V 5.1.
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
What is the other device?
a phone, likely made my Nokia
When will Intel Windows 8 Tablets be available?
probably a lot later then needed to make the holiday season. Remember, Apple began production of the new iPad in December for a mid March ship date...and this was the third release. You don't do what Apple has done on your first new product roll out. ( 3 million this time, 300K on iPad1)
Will Windows 8 ARM tablet success be dependent on Office on ARM?
Office is the only new thing MS brings to the tablet market.
Will there be a reasonable library of apps available... When?
Nope. It's all smoke and mirrors. MS will talk about how legacy applications will run on their phone and tablet, but since they haven't been re-written to fit on smaller devices and been made to be touch aware, they just won't be viable at all.
Will consumers have any interest in these devices?
None, except for the nerds who hate Apple and love cords & cables on their portable devices.
Will enterprise have any interest in these devices?
I expect enterprise will check them out and find the similarity to Win7 to be too lacking and too late.
When do most enterprise departments go through their budget/approval cycle?
First they need to go through an approval process to even add the Windows tablet to their purchase list, then quantity purchases will not happen until late 2012.
Keep in mind that the school systems are in the middle of their purchasing cycle right now, so no hope for WIN8 tablets until the 2013-2014 school year.
Also, the federal government purchasing cycle starts in June-July, so MS misses this window too.
If MS releases Windows 8 ARM tablets in October... will it matter?
I think it's too late. Android will be the phone/tablet of choice for the inexperienced and unsophisticated buyer with little money.
Originally Posted by pdq2
Windows 8 on ARM should have every bit of the success that those blockbuster Kin phones had.
Sounds like Redmond is about as committed to them as they were to the Kins too.
The Kin was a product that was over three years behind the market. It had no hope in the mix with Apple and Android. The WinMo7 phone would have had some hope against the first iPhone but it too was hurried to market against iPhone 4. Now Win8 is not even on the market and unlikely to be any competition to what Apple is already selling in the iPad 2, much less the new iPad. If Win8 were to go head to head with Apple's 4S phone is would have a hard time, but it will be up against this year's 2012 version, which no one even knows what magic it may have.
None of this takes in account
(a) the tight integration between Apple's hardware and software.
(b) The tight integration between how the iPhone, iPad, and OSX syncs with the MS Windows already.
(c) the almost total acceptance of the iPhone and iPad has had by the Fortune 2000 enterprise market.
Win8 is about 6 years behind where the puck once was. It's late in the 4th quarter and Team Microsoft is still in the locker room struggling with their jock straps while Apple has scored 100 million points.
Originally Posted by bobwoods
I don't know if rushing Win8 to market will do MS any good.
I've been playing with both the DP and CP versions recently, and it feels very unfinished (OK, it's a preview) and awfully clunky. If things don't change much between now and the sales date, it'll be Vista v.2. The Metro/desktop situation is confusing at first - a lot of people are going to feel unhappy and lost.
I helped my dad through the transition from XP to 7 this week, remembering the video of Chris Pirillo's dad and thinking "if he's lost now, he'll never figure out 8."
Your first sentence said it all. Allow me to repeat it for effect:"I don't know if rushing Win8 to market will do MS any good."
Originally Posted by Skaag
My prophecy for the whole Windows 8 effort:
- Microsoft will announce a roadmap to release, Their clown CEO will call it the greatest evolution of the OS since Windows NT (Neanderthal Technology)
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- Horrible security exploits will be discovered that compromise consumer machines and allow for theft of identity and resources (some will be made public, most won't), as well as used for bot nets and spam nets.
I agree with almost everything thing you predict, except that ding against the 1977 Chevy Nova.
Originally Posted by Knocks
Windows 8 works extremely well on a desktop. I've only been using the consumer preview for 3 weeks, but have already made it my primary OS and can't imagine going back to Windows 7 or OS X.
Please don't let that get out. You'll embarrass your kids to death.
Originally Posted by MusicComposer
The Metro UI is pretty nice, at least it's original compared to the route Android took. I like that you can switch to the classic Windows view too if for some reason you hate Metro. To be honest I'm a bit intrigued by these Windows 8 Intel tablets because I have specific programs that can ONLY run on Windows. Legacy support really appeals to me, I can be much more productive on one of these.
How in the world are those legacy programs going to run on a touch device? They will be looking for you to pull down menus with a mouse and tab between fields. The legacy programs are not "touch aware" and need to be re-written. They also need to be scaled for the smaller phone and tablet screens so you can read the text and poke the teensie buttons.
If so, they might as well be written for iOS
Some people just hate Microsoft, I think people are underestimating how well these will do. Apple will be approaching 100 million iPads sold by the time these are released but I really predict Windows tablets will be taking the number 2 spot eventually.
Your prediction may become true. However Samsung and Nokia have their own fledgling OSs in the works and could garner some traction since MS is really so late to this dog fight.
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
When do you think Windows 8 Intel tablets will be generally available and:
1) have Acceptable power to run legacy apps
2) have An acceptable touch interface for legacy apps
3) have Acceptable battery life?
4) provide a viable cost/function alternative to a Windows 8 Laptop
From what I understand, there will be no viable Windows 8 Intel tablets before mid 2013 -- if ever.
And, no legacy desktop apps will run on Windows 8 ARM tablets.
I suspect that the iPad will hit 100 million users sometime before Dec 31, 2012.
Your last three (unnumbered) sentences are particularly true and important observations