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post #41 of 97
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The last thing Microsoft should do is release a tablet OS before its ready, like RIM did with the PlayBook. And they better have Office ready for it on day one.

I suspect that Windows 8 ARM will not be ready by October...

If true, there is a definite possibility that MS will release iPad Office by October!
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post #42 of 97
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

When do you think Windows 8 Intel tablets will be generally available and:

1) have Acceptable power to run legacy apps

2) have An acceptable touch interface for legacy apps

3) have Acceptable battery life?

4) provide a viable cost/function alternative to a Windows 8 Laptop


From what I understand, there will be no viable Windows 8 Intel tablets before mid 2013 -- if ever.

And, no legacy desktop apps will run on Windows 8 ARM tablets.


I suspect that the iPad will hit 100 million users sometime before Dec 31, 2012.


1) Even with an i3 a Windows 8 tablet would be powerful enough to run many legacy programs. I occasionally run Cubase, FL Studio, and Toon Boom Animate on a Core2Duo 2.2ghz and any i3 would destroy that.

2) Yes, the touch interface is the main problem with controlling legacy programs but at least you can plugin a standard USB mouse. Microsoft has improved touch recognition as well so who knows. We'll have to see once they're released.

3) I haven't heard any facts about how long the battery life will be on a Windows 8 tablet. Was there an article about it saying otherwise? I think there would have to be tablets released to make that claim.

4) Well Ultrabooks are already $1,000 with almost the exact same specs as the MacBook Air. If the performance and price is around that then it'd be perfectly fine for me. The whole point is portable computing and with one of these I personally could be more productive than using either an iPad(which I have) or an Android tablet(which I sold). Don't get me wrong though I'm looking at just buying one of the new Ivy Bridge MacBook Airs once they're released. Hopefully next month! I'm merely saying that these will be more popular than people realize and I think they'll eventually surpass Android in the tablet market.

I thought Microsoft was launching with Intel-based tablets? If they're released with Atom processors I'd definitely skip them but an i3 would be pretty nice.

"With the October launch, Microsoft is aiming to lure Christmas Holiday season buyers.

There will be both ARM and Intel-based solutions, just as promised, but initially Intel machines will dominate as there will be more than 40 systems running on Intel architectures and less than 5 running on ARM."
post #43 of 97
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IMO your's kind of implied that you were somehow pontificating on the absolute goodness of Metro and presenting same as fact.

The single thing I've said about Metro in this thread is that I'm skeptical that it will work on the desktop. How is that proclaiming its absolute goodness? If anything, it's a negative comment!

My view is that both Windows and OS X are very good products, and that both have their advantages and disadvantages and always will. It's all the dogmatic Windows-bashing that I can't stand.
post #44 of 97
My prediction:

In October 2012 MicroSoft will release... Steven Sinofsky!
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post #45 of 97
Even if my company upgrades from XP to 7 or 8 with or without metro; my company laptop will still just sit on the desk switched off, while i keep using my late 2010 white MacBook. Although I find windows a pain, it even hurts my eyes, it's more of a problem with the rubbish IBM & HP Computers that our IT depart buys. They have i5 processors and 4 GB ram and are only running windows and office but something just dosn't gel. Our corporate computers crash all the time, virus are rampant and so on.

Still it keeps the IT boys in job and I'm sure Windows 8 will too.
post #46 of 97
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Surely you've noticed that 90% of the world uses Windows and most have little desire not to?

True but how many of them are up to date? I see a really lot of my Windows fanatical friends still using XP, or if they actually bought a new computer, Windows 7. I suspect those that got caught up in the Vista fiasco went to OSX and never looked back. Microsoft isn't even making the lion share of its profits on Windows anymore. Probably because many are not upgrading. MS Office is their cash cow now.
post #47 of 97
When I was marketing technology to business -- it was crucial to be aware of, and conform to, the annual budget/approval cycle of your target market. In those days, most of the companies went through an August-Sepetmber budget/approval cycle (October-November at the latest).

That meant that departments (including IT) would forecast their purchases based on what was available at the time -- or reliably known to be available for the next year.

If that is still true, then I believe that Microsoft has zero chance of hitting the 2012 budget cycle for 2013.

MS has no product, history or track record on which anyone could forecast a business decision to buy and install Windows 8 Tablets...

Would you make that decision if your job/future depended on it?
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post #48 of 97
Personally can't wait for win8. I just bought an iPad 3 but to be honest it was only because win 8 tablets don't exist yet and android just looks awful.

The bit I'm most looking forward to with win 8 though is apps for pc's. When was the last time you installed a tiny program on a desktop or laptop that did something like show you news for one particular site? Answer probably never, even with the mac app store it's something you don't do, you just visit the website instead. But using win 8 on a laptop I just get the feeling that I would go on the app marketplace and install apps rather than visit websites.

Apple don't have anything to worry about with the iPad, but I get the feeling win 8 is more concerned with android and chrome than anything else. Apple will after all keep profit margins on there devices up, googles all about giving the os away for free and that's and issue for ms. Comparing win 8 to android/chrome though, I don't think ms has an issue. For some reason when they produced android for tablets nobody thought that maby it would be better to get some decent icons designed rather than use ones that look like they came from windows 3.1!
post #49 of 97
A convoluted mess.

And here's the kicker: it's all a REACTION to market forces that MS was way, way too slow to respond to. Which forces? The ones put in motion by Apple, and which MS competitors are squarely in control of now.
post #50 of 97
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-- you could serve it up on a tablet and call it "chipped beef on toast" -- but it is really the same old "SOS".

As an exMarine, I actually like that stuff!!! It stuck to your ribs on a cold Camp Lejeune morning.
post #51 of 97
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Personally can't wait for win8. I just bought an iPad 3 but to be honest it was only because win 8 tablets don't exist yet and android just looks awful.

The bit I'm most looking forward to with win 8 though is apps for pc's. When was the last time you installed a tiny program on a desktop or laptop that did something like show you news for one particular site? Answer probably never, even with the mac app store it's something you don't do, you just visit the website instead. But using win 8 on a laptop I just get the feeling that I would go on the app marketplace and install apps rather than visit websites.

Apple don't have anything to worry about with the iPad, but I get the feeling win 8 is more concerned with android and chrome than anything else. Apple will after all keep profit margins on there devices up, googles all about giving the os away for free and that's and issue for ms. Comparing win 8 to android/chrome though, I don't think ms has an issue. For some reason when they produced android for tablets nobody thought that maby it would be better to get some decent icons designed rather than use ones that look like they came from windows 3.1!

Interesting...

Why do you think you'll buy apps on a Windows tablet when you wouldn't buy them on an iPad -- likely the function will [should] be similar -- even apps like maps or YouTube that are equally accessible through a browser?

What do you think the experience with a Windows tablet will be when web sites and app developers begin to serve pages tailored to exploit the iPad's retina display and graphics... and they will?

The bar has been set higher for tablet display resolution -- will you (and others) be satisfied with second best or almost as good?
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post #52 of 97
The new iPad is going to be an exceptional seller this holiday season, not 'good'

This Windows launch is going to be a disaster. What a convoluted mess it already is. No marketing spend is going to save it. IMP

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post #53 of 97
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The only "regular" (non-techie) person I have seen use Windows Metro on a phone was completely baffled. Could. Not. Make. It. Work.

(at all).

From the videos I've seen of Windows Metro running on a tablet, it looks good, but seriously complicated. It has the tile desktop which is hard enough to manipulate, but the whole OS is built around a series of basically undiscoverable gestures on the bezel.

Consumers already have troubles with iOS and most find Android even harder. As a techie myself I can appreciate some of the sophistication of Metro, but it's not really consumer friendly IMO. Even if their strategy works and MS corners the market for techies who use tablets, the portion of the market that's too dumb to figure all that sh*t out and prefers iOS is probably a hundred times larger.

Videos you have seen have no tutorials whatsoever. I highly doubt Windows 8 will come with not a single tutorial video. Heck, even OS X Lion came with a tutorial for inverted scrolling. What's so baffling about Windows Phone? What was the person trying to do that was baffling? I'm curious because I use a Windows Phone.
post #54 of 97
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

The bar has been set higher for tablet display resolution -- will you (and others) be satisfied with second best or almost as good?

The good Windows tablets will surely have comparable displays to the new iPad. The manufacturers have absolutely no choice now that the iPad has raised the standard.
post #55 of 97
It feels like we're talking about a war that's going to happen; the plan of attack, how many forces there are, and what the enemy forces will be armed with. Unfortunately it's like we're invading Canada in this war.
post #56 of 97
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

When do you think Windows 8 Intel tablets will be generally available and:

1) have Acceptable power to run legacy apps

2) have An acceptable touch interface for legacy apps

3) have Acceptable battery life?

4) provide a viable cost/function alternative to a Windows 8 Laptop


From what I understand, there will be no viable Windows 8 Intel tablets before mid 2013 -- if ever.

And, no legacy desktop apps will run on Windows 8 ARM tablets.


I suspect that the iPad will hit 100 million users sometime before Dec 31, 2012.


Intel already has Ultra Low Power SoC that can be used to power Windows 8 tablets. http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/10/26...-with-32nm-soc
post #57 of 97
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The good Windows tablets will surely have comparable displays to the new iPad. The manufacturers have absolutely no choice now that the iPad has raised the standard.

They will have to raise their prices or lose profit margins. They can't compete with Apple's iPad prices now. One could say that more demand will bring down the display price but I'm not so sure it will work that way with these high resolution displays. The demand might just increase the price for a limited supply. These displays aren't that easy to produce. And I suspect Apple has already moved to secure their supply at current pricing. IMO
post #58 of 97
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The good Windows tablets will surely have comparable displays to the new iPad. The manufacturers have absolutely no choice now that the iPad has raised the standard.

Really?

It's been over 2 years and no competitive tablet has been released with a display that even been close to the original iPad.

It's one thing to show one-offs or prototypes and quite another parts for large-scale productions.

We're talking about 10s of millions of devices per year to have a meaningful market penetration.

Where are the Dells, HPs, etc going to get retina-quality displays in any significant quantity -- at any price?

Then, there's the issue of what sizes and resolutions are going to be introduced -- and how will that fragment the Windows Tablet market.

MS has no track record here -- and the OEMS, the usual suspects, have a poor to bad track record with Android tablets.


Do you believe that Sammy can, and will, divert their retina manufacturing so they can release a Windows 8 ARM tablet for $499?
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post #59 of 97
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Intel already has Ultra Low Power SoC that can be used to power Windows 8 tablets. http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/10/26...-with-32nm-soc

You do understand the word tease...

When available in quantities of 10s of millions?

Cost?

Power/heat?

Graphics?

Battery life?

Total device cost with retina-class display?

OEMs?
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post #60 of 97
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Despite being the biggest fanboy on the planet, I believe innovation is at its best when everyone is bringing ideas to the table(Apple, Microsoft, HP, RIM, ANdroid etc.).

It's a good thing this is an idea table and not a food table, 'cause some of these guys are are looking pretty anorexic.
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post #61 of 97
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Do you believe that Sammy can, and will, divert their retina manufacturing so they can release a Windows 8 ARM tablet for $499?

I don't know. But from the path that's being taken with Win8, I do get the impression that MS is taking the tablet market very seriously indeed and will pump in just about as much cash as it takes. Apple certainly has a head start, but MS has more clout and reputation than the various Android manufacturers and will put up a better fight. Of course, those factors didn't help MS very much with Windows Phone! But perhaps MS is fighting a little closer to its own territory with larger devices.
post #62 of 97
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Originally Posted by Euphonious View Post

The good Windows tablets will surely have comparable displays to the new iPad. The manufacturers have absolutely no choice now that the iPad has raised the standard.

But look at the storage requirements for this high resolution on the new iPad. The entire iMove balloon from 82MB to 404MB. Not only that, even older iPad without the Retina display upgrading to the newer iOS must also inherit this gigantic increase in app size. 16GB iPad is simply not enough anymore. And it's only going to get worse as more apps are updated for Retina resolution. Frankly, I'm not sure if this Retina is worth it from a storage standpoint until price on the 32GB+ models come down.

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App_______iPad 2____Retina iPad
Keynote___110____327 MB
Numbers__104____375 MB
Pages_____89____331 MB
iMovie_____82____404 MB
iPhoto_____N/A___129 MB
Total______385___1566 MB > 300% increase
post #63 of 97
"At the end of January, the iPad accounted for 58 percent of the market while Android held a 39 percent share. Microsoft came in a distant third with 1.5 percent."

Who are the companies that have Android based tablets out there and what are the model names of those tables that are comprising this 39 percent share? Is it Amazon's Kindle Fire? Is Amazon selling THAT many Kindle Fires? Are there others? I honestly didn't know that any competitors' tablets had gotten often the ground in any substantial way let alone sold the millions of tablets that would be needed to represent a big enough number of units sold to comprise a 39 percent share versus Apple's 58 percent share given the tens of millions of iPads Apple has now sold.

I'm being serious too...not sarcastic. Where and what are these Android based tablets that are selling in the millions?

P.S. Let alone accounting for the 1.5 percent share that Microsoft supposedly has when there is no Windows based tablet out there yet with the release of Windows 8 still on the horizon.
post #64 of 97
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

When I was marketing technology to business -- it was crucial to be aware of, and conform to, the annual budget/approval cycle of your target market. In those days, most of the companies went through an August-Sepetmber budget/approval cycle (October-November at the latest).

That meant that departments (including IT) would forecast their purchases based on what was available at the time -- or reliably known to be available for the next year.

If that is still true, then I believe that Microsoft has zero chance of hitting the 2012 budget cycle for 2013.

MS has no product, history or track record on which anyone could forecast a business decision to buy and install Windows 8 Tablets...

Would you make that decision if your job/future depended on it?

Ok I had to say this ... Couldn't resist ... "No one gets fired for buying iPad"
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post #65 of 97
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Originally Posted by Euphonious View Post

I don't know. But from the path that's being taken with Win8, I do get the impression that MS is taking the tablet market very seriously indeed and will pump in just about as much cash as it takes. Apple certainly has a head start, but MS has more clout and reputation than the various Android manufacturers and will put up a better fight. Of course, those factors didn't help MS very much with Windows Phone! But perhaps MS is fighting a little closer to its own territory with larger devices.

I believe you are right -- MS is taking the tablet market very seriously...

But they have little (no?) hardware manufacturing experience, infrastructure or supply chain. They are totally dependent on the OEMs.

The OEMs have none of this for tablets, either... though they have experience, infrastructure and supply chains for phones (and some for laptops and desktops).


Let's just say that MS needs to get OEMs to manufacture and deliver 10 million Windows 8 ARM tablets between Oct 2012 and April 2013. (I don't believe Windows 8 Intel tablets are possible in this time frame)

Where are the parts ~= to the new iPad going to come from?

Can they match the $499 new iPad in quality?

Where are the apps?

I believe this is a consumer device (no advantage for Win 8 ARM to business & as I posted earlier, they missed the budget cycle). Why would a consumer buy this device?

Would you spend $499 + to buy a Windows 8 ARM tablet that only runs Windows Phone apps, Windows 8 ARM Office and a few [MS-paid developer] apps like Angry Birds?

It took Apple 10 years to attain their position, experience and infrastructure... you don't roll that out in a year or two...


What's the point... that's what MS needs to ask itself... What's the point?
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Ok I had to say this ... Couldn't resist ... "No one gets fired for buying iPad"

In the words of Don Williams (Ex IBMer, former West Florida resident, special assistant to Mike Markkula, developer of MS Works): You done broke the code!
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post #67 of 97
Didn't balmer say that tablets would go away in a couple of years....a couple of years ago?
Anyway, I hope he does another conga dance or something at the launch.
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My take is after running the beta, pros will prefer 7 on PCs and consumers will prefer iPads for tablets. Then I am biased.

Well, I can't see Enterprise customers wanting to switch over to touch-screen monitors and new software that is "touch screen aware" just to take advantage of Win8. They usually do it "all or none" to make it easier for IT to support. MS is making the bar too high for Win8 adoption IMHO.

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Micro$oft must think that someone cares. A newer buggy whip will not have much of a market, now that people are driving automobiles.

Apple's success with the Fortune 2000 Enterprise market with the iPhone and iPads seems to agree with your comment. MS can call it WM8 but it's still V1.0 in an Apple world of V 5.1.

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What is the other device?

a phone, likely made my Nokia

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When will Intel Windows 8 Tablets be available?

probably a lot later then needed to make the holiday season. Remember, Apple began production of the new iPad in December for a mid March ship date...and this was the third release. You don't do what Apple has done on your first new product roll out. ( 3 million this time, 300K on iPad1)

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Will Windows 8 ARM tablet success be dependent on Office on ARM?

Office is the only new thing MS brings to the tablet market.

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Will there be a reasonable library of apps available... When?

Nope. It's all smoke and mirrors. MS will talk about how legacy applications will run on their phone and tablet, but since they haven't been re-written to fit on smaller devices and been made to be touch aware, they just won't be viable at all.

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Will consumers have any interest in these devices?

None, except for the nerds who hate Apple and love cords & cables on their portable devices.

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Will enterprise have any interest in these devices?

I expect enterprise will check them out and find the similarity to Win7 to be too lacking and too late.

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When do most enterprise departments go through their budget/approval cycle?

First they need to go through an approval process to even add the Windows tablet to their purchase list, then quantity purchases will not happen until late 2012.

Keep in mind that the school systems are in the middle of their purchasing cycle right now, so no hope for WIN8 tablets until the 2013-2014 school year.

Also, the federal government purchasing cycle starts in June-July, so MS misses this window too.

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If MS releases Windows 8 ARM tablets in October... will it matter?

I think it's too late. Android will be the phone/tablet of choice for the inexperienced and unsophisticated buyer with little money.


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Windows 8 on ARM should have every bit of the success that those blockbuster Kin phones had.

Sounds like Redmond is about as committed to them as they were to the Kins too.

The Kin was a product that was over three years behind the market. It had no hope in the mix with Apple and Android. The WinMo7 phone would have had some hope against the first iPhone but it too was hurried to market against iPhone 4. Now Win8 is not even on the market and unlikely to be any competition to what Apple is already selling in the iPad 2, much less the new iPad. If Win8 were to go head to head with Apple's 4S phone is would have a hard time, but it will be up against this year's 2012 version, which no one even knows what magic it may have.

None of this takes in account
(a) the tight integration between Apple's hardware and software.
(b) The tight integration between how the iPhone, iPad, and OSX syncs with the MS Windows already.
(c) the almost total acceptance of the iPhone and iPad has had by the Fortune 2000 enterprise market.

Win8 is about 6 years behind where the puck once was. It's late in the 4th quarter and Team Microsoft is still in the locker room struggling with their jock straps while Apple has scored 100 million points.

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I don't know if rushing Win8 to market will do MS any good.

I've been playing with both the DP and CP versions recently, and it feels very unfinished (OK, it's a preview) and awfully clunky. If things don't change much between now and the sales date, it'll be Vista v.2. The Metro/desktop situation is confusing at first - a lot of people are going to feel unhappy and lost.

I helped my dad through the transition from XP to 7 this week, remembering the video of Chris Pirillo's dad and thinking "if he's lost now, he'll never figure out 8."

Your first sentence said it all. Allow me to repeat it for effect:
"I don't know if rushing Win8 to market will do MS any good."

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Originally Posted by Skaag View Post

My prophecy for the whole Windows 8 effort:

- Microsoft will announce a roadmap to release, Their clown CEO will call it the greatest evolution of the OS since Windows NT (Neanderthal Technology)

< snip >

- Horrible security exploits will be discovered that compromise consumer machines and allow for theft of identity and resources (some will be made public, most won't), as well as used for bot nets and spam nets.

I agree with almost everything thing you predict, except that ding against the 1977 Chevy Nova.

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Windows 8 works extremely well on a desktop. I've only been using the consumer preview for 3 weeks, but have already made it my primary OS and can't imagine going back to Windows 7 or OS X.

Please don't let that get out. You'll embarrass your kids to death.

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The Metro UI is pretty nice, at least it's original compared to the route Android took. I like that you can switch to the classic Windows view too if for some reason you hate Metro. To be honest I'm a bit intrigued by these Windows 8 Intel tablets because I have specific programs that can ONLY run on Windows. Legacy support really appeals to me, I can be much more productive on one of these.

How in the world are those legacy programs going to run on a touch device? They will be looking for you to pull down menus with a mouse and tab between fields. The legacy programs are not "touch aware" and need to be re-written. They also need to be scaled for the smaller phone and tablet screens so you can read the text and poke the teensie buttons.

If so, they might as well be written for iOS

Some people just hate Microsoft, I think people are underestimating how well these will do. Apple will be approaching 100 million iPads sold by the time these are released but I really predict Windows tablets will be taking the number 2 spot eventually.

Your prediction may become true. However Samsung and Nokia have their own fledgling OSs in the works and could garner some traction since MS is really so late to this dog fight.

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When do you think Windows 8 Intel tablets will be generally available and:

1) have Acceptable power to run legacy apps

2) have An acceptable touch interface for legacy apps

3) have Acceptable battery life?

4) provide a viable cost/function alternative to a Windows 8 Laptop

From what I understand, there will be no viable Windows 8 Intel tablets before mid 2013 -- if ever.

And, no legacy desktop apps will run on Windows 8 ARM tablets.

I suspect that the iPad will hit 100 million users sometime before Dec 31, 2012.

Your last three (unnumbered) sentences are particularly true and important observations
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post #69 of 97
Man... I apologize for launching on this thread... but this is logistics, baby, logistics.
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I don't think the Metro interface is bad on a tablet. I think it's a HORRIBLE idea for a desktop.

I couldnt agree more. I downloaded the beta one of my PC's and gave it a college try. I'm quite versed in all operating systems, and while I prefer Apple products, I think that PC's have their spot too. With that said, Wndows 8 is a pile of crap. I have tried it on a mobile device and it's alright. But the PC version is just dreadful. It's not intuitive at all which makes it a stinker.
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Originally Posted by Granmastak View Post

Didn't balmer say that tablets would go away in a couple of years....a couple of years ago?
Anyway, I hope he does another conga dance or something at the launch.

Seems like Steve Ballmer, Bobby Knight and Bobby Flay have scheduled a throw down... my money's on Flay!
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

In the words of Don Williams (Ex IBMer, former West Florida resident, special assistant to Mike Markkula, developer of MS Works): You done broke the code!

In the words if "Jesi Slaughter's" dad, "Consequences will never be the same!"
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post #73 of 97
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I couldnt agree more. I downloaded the beta one of my PC's and gave it a college try. I'm quite versed in all operating systems, and while I prefer Apple products, I think that PC's have their spot too. With that said, Wndows 8 is a pile of crap. I have tried it on a mobile device and it's alright. But the PC version is just dreadful. It's not intuitive at all which makes it a stinker.

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Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
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post #74 of 97
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Gartner estimates that over 103 million tablets will be sold in 2012, with the number more than tripling to 326.3 million by 2015.

That's about 40 million tablets a month by 2015.

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Gartner expects that a flood of Android and Windows devices will dilute the iPad's market share to 46 percent in 2015

That's about 19 million iPads a month, and I believe a 46% share is low. The variable here is Google and Microsoft, will they deliver a superior alternative to the iPad experience and ecosystem by 2015?

KOB thinks not. Expect iPad to, just like the iPod achieved, about a 75% market share by 2015.

That's about 30 million tablets a month. Add in, let's say, 10 million iPhones a month, plus, let's say, another 5 million iMacs, MBA's and the rest of the product line, that equals about 45 million units a month by 2015.

If Apple maintains it's 40-50% margins, and continues to grab 75% of the profits, is it no longer unreasonable to consider AAPL trading at $1000-$1200 by 2015?
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But look at the storage requirements for this high resolution on the new iPad. The entire iMove balloon from 82MB to 404MB. Not only that, even older iPad without the Retina display upgrading to the newer iOS must also inherit this gigantic increase in app size. 16GB iPad is simply not enough anymore. And it's only going to get worse as more apps are updated for Retina resolution. Frankly, I'm not sure if this Retina is worth it from a storage standpoint until price on the 32GB+ models come down.

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App_______iPad 2____Retina iPad
Keynote___110____327 MB
Numbers__104____375 MB
Pages_____89____331 MB
iMovie_____82____404 MB
iPhoto_____N/A___129 MB
Total______385___1566 MB > 300% increase

1) iPhoto didn't exist before it was Retina Display ready so counted it as a 0 MB app is disingenuous.

2) iMovie was not an iPad app before it was updated to work on both iPad resolutions.

3) Infinity Blade II went from being a 940 MB app to being only 791 MB for the update that enabled it to be Retina Display ready. So we only looked at that app we could see that apps are getting smaller with the Retina Display.. but that would be fair or honest.

4) There are certainly aspects to an app that will require more code to make them Universal for the new resolution and larger elements, like bitmaps, but to suggest that app sizes are increasing solely because of the new display resolution and not because of any new features that could be added to the update is erroneous. As we see with Infinity Blade II you can actually go down in size if you can make your code more efficient.

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post #76 of 97
I've been using Windows 8 for a few days now.

I love Metro as Windows Phone 7. It's also starting to grow on me on the desktop. It's interesting (and I approve of it) because it's actually a moderately different way of going about things. Yeah, it operates pretty much the same as Launchpad (whose compression in 10.8 DP2 I'm no fan of), but at least it's different.

Windows 8 shows that when Microsoft actually thinks for themselves, they can build something unique. Yes, they stole the idea of taking the best stuff from a phone OS and putting it on a desktop OS from Apple, but the ideas themselves are different.

My biggest problem with Windows 8 is that when Microsoft actually thinks for themselves, they create some absolute crap that vaporizes the experience, turning the phrase "user experience" into "user ordeal". Much of this is the lack of intuitiveness in, well, virtually every single new feature. And that stacks on top of ALL of the unintuitive nonsense from classic Windows that sticks around.

I love the new Task Manager, though. It's much better than it has ever been. Though I imagine they made it so much better because of how often they had to open it to fix things.

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Even if [the 5.5” iPhone exists], it doesn’t deserve to.
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Even if [the 5.5” iPhone exists], it doesn’t deserve to.
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post #77 of 97
The only Windows I'll ever need is XP. I have server 2003 with SQL 2005 on one machine which is why is still have an XP machine at the office to do remote desktop. I also have Vista on a home office machine which last time it was turned on was around 8 months ago and I only used it for an hour or less at that time.

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post #78 of 97
I don't know if people will like Windows tablets, but the fact that MS are using Windows proper for their tablet OS betrays their belief about the future.

Publicly they will not admit that tablets will take over from PCs, but privately they must believe it.
post #79 of 97
Does anyone think MS showcase an iPad funeral at Windows 8 launch?

or,

Will they outdo their previously record holding lameness factor?
Originally Posted by Granmastak: Labor unions managed to kill manufacturing a long time ago with their unreasonable demands. Now the people they were trying to protect, are out of a job.
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Originally Posted by Granmastak: Labor unions managed to kill manufacturing a long time ago with their unreasonable demands. Now the people they were trying to protect, are out of a job.
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post #80 of 97
I've been running the Consumer Preview as the primary OS on my PC and I have to say Microsoft is really on to something with these tiles. The Mac OS looks ancient in comparison. It's nice to have your whole life laid out for you on one screen without having to actually launch any programs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple copies it in one form or the other when they finally release their replacement for the 30 year old desktop metaphor.
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