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On the heels of a report that Microsoft is aiming to release Windows 8 in September or October, a new rumor claims first-tier tablet vendors will launch their first Windows 8 devices in October.

Taiwan-based supply chain makers have indicated to DigiTimes that Hewlett-Packard, Dell, Lenovo, Acer and Asustek Computer are prepping x86-based tablets for an October release.

Meanwhile, sources said Samsung, Sony, Toshiba, Lenovo, Acer and Asustek are planning ARM-based tablets for early 2013. Tipsters did hint that Nokia may be aiming to be the first to launch a Windows 8 ARM tablet with a possible November 2012 release.

"x86 platforms have the advantage of a complete supply chain, whereas ARM appeals by lower costs," the report noted sources as saying.

Earlier on Tuesday, Bloomberg reported that, according to sources with inside knowledge of the company's plans, Microsoft is aiming to finish work on Windows 8 this summer and launch the operating system around October before the start of the holiday season.


Windows 8 Consumer Preview. | Source: Microsoft


Gartner analyst Michael Gartenberg told the publication that shipping before the holidays is critical for Microsoft.

“If they miss the September-October time frame, they’re going to be stuck without being able to ship anything in 2012,” he said. “The last thing Microsoft wants to have is a situation where there are no compelling Windows tablets at a time when the new iPad looks like it’s going to be a good seller for the holidays.”

Microsoft's addition of an ARM-compatible version of Windows is a bold move for the company. Intel and Microsoft maintained a symbiotic relationship for years with desktop PCs, but Intel has been largely left out of the rise of mobile computing for devices such as smartphones and tablets. One recent study has suggested that Apple will soon overtake Intel as the largest mobile processor maker as its ARM-based chips power numerous devices in its product lineup.

The Redmond, Wash., Windows maker first announced in January 2011 that it would port Windows to the ARM architecture. But, new ARM-based Windows 8 tablets will require new software when they arrive, as Microsoft has said that they won't run existing Windows apps.

In addition to rumors of upcoming Windows tablet releases, DigiTimes repeated on Tuesday a rumor from insiders that Apple could release another iPad in October to compete with Windows 8 tablets in the fourth quarter. It should be noted, however, that speculation of the release of a fourth-generation iPad this fall has been dismissed by more accurate sources as being "completely made-up nonsense."

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Isn't this Windows 7 with a Metro shell?

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Not exactly. The Start SCREEN completely replaces the Start MENU.

I've been running the Consumer Preview as the primary OS on my PC and I have to say Microsoft is really on to something with these Live Tiles. The Mac OS looks ancient in comparison. It's nice to have your whole life laid out for you on one screen without having to actually launch any programs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple copies it in one form or the other when they finally release their replacement for the 30 year old desktop metaphor.
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Windows 8 Tablets out by October, uh? In other news today Big Foot proposed to the Tooth Fairy.
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Can't W8 for Windows 8. I've been using it on and off on my desktop and I really like it. Very fluid and fast and just like the whole minimalistic theme. I'm also glad to see an OS that has departed from having to imitate real life interactions and look of objects.

I think the eventually evolution for Windows will be Metro, provided consumers don't revolt. I find it possibly to be extremely productive entirely in Metro even on a desktop.

The other plus for tablets is multitasking two applications at once on the same screen, very useful.

My only debate is between ARM and x86. I think I will probably settle for Nokia ARM for the extended battery life.

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About 3 years too late.
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Not exactly. The Start SCREEN completely replaces the Start MENU.

I've been running the Consumer Preview as the primary OS on my PC and I have to say Microsoft is really on to something with these Live Tiles. The Mac OS looks ancient in comparison. It's nice to have your whole life laid out for you on one screen without having to actually launch any programs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple copies it in one form or the other when they finally release their replacement for the 30 year old desktop metaphor.

If you had been paying attention to Mac news, you'd have known that Apple is bringing the Mac more toward an iOS experience. However, it's not reasonable to hobble the Mac to be exactly like an iDevice.

Phones and Tablets need to be a simpler UI device for stand-up and moving use. I strongly feel Apple's move will allow easier use of a Mac by a iDevice user, without compromising the full advantage of what a desktop computer can do.

Microsoft is deluding itself into thinking that Windows can function as well on all devices. They will end up with something sub-par on everything. Furthermore, from what I read above, the late 2012 Window8 tablets will be running a power-sucking Intel x86 design. WTF are they thinking? It's not the 1900s any more. Nothing like hitting the market with a rushed OS on second-rate hardware... Windows could earn a bad rep that will stink them up for years.
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Not exactly. The Start SCREEN completely replaces the Start MENU.

I've been running the Consumer Preview as the primary OS on my PC and I have to say Microsoft is really on to something with these Live Tiles. The Mac OS looks ancient in comparison. It's nice to have your whole life laid out for you on one screen without having to actually launch any programs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple copies it in one form or the other when they finally release their replacement for the 30 year old desktop metaphor.

With Metro... where is all the stuff that used to be on the Start Menu? Programs and such?

Old image... I know...

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In addition to rumors of upcoming Windows tablet releases, DigiTimes repeated on Tuesday a rumor from insiders that Apple could release another iPad in October to compete with Windows 8 tablets in the fourth quarter. It should be noted, however, that speculation of the release of a fourth-generation iPad this fall has been dismissed by more accurate sources as being "completely made-up nonsense."

Apple doesn't need to release new hardware to train-wreck the Windows product release.

(A) Apple could just temporarily drop the price of the new iPad by $100 for the holiday season and lower the iPad2 by the same amount. Even if Apple did not do this, the costs to make an x86 based tablet may make it more expensive to produce than the current new iPad.
(B) Apple could release a 6th generation of the iOS that does tricks no one expects it could. This essentially makes the current new iPad as good as a brand new iPad, disrupting any marketing noise Windows Tablets will be making.
(C) A combination of the above A & B.

Most people are already disposed to buy the iPad, just give them another reason to do so and Microsoft will have to hand out concert tickets to any one that darkens their company store doors.
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Not exactly. The Start SCREEN completely replaces the Start MENU.

In other words, it's Windows Vista with a Metro shell, and the number "8" tacked on the end.

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Not exactly. The Start SCREEN completely replaces the Start MENU.

I've been running the Consumer Preview as the primary OS on my PC and I have to say Microsoft is really on to something with these Live Tiles. The Mac OS looks ancient in comparison. It's nice to have your whole life laid out for you on one screen without having to actually launch any programs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple copies it in one form or the other when they finally release their replacement for the 30 year old desktop metaphor.

Your whole life fits on a handful of colour tiles?

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With Metro... where is all the stuff that used to be on the Start Menu? Programs and such?

Old image... I know...


The main screen is your Metro Start screen. It contains all your live tiles and icons. You can group them into groups as well. Old apps will just contain the icon and name of the app. New Metro apps can control this tile to give relevant information such as unread email count or current weather information or latest news etc... But you start all apps from this start screen. And its the exact same number of clicks to start an app from the start screen or less. As all your apps are on one scrolling screen almost like Launchpad. You can still also pin icons to the taskbar for desktop mode.

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In other words, it's Windows Vista with a Metro shell, and the number "8" tacked on the end.

Similar to 7, it reduces the basic system requirements compared to vista, which is an improvement which ever way it is spun. The main upgrade appears to be pushing a higher resolution requirement, which in the world of windows low res garbage, can only be an improvement.
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In addition to rumors of upcoming Windows tablet releases, DigiTimes repeated on Tuesday a rumor from insiders that Apple could release another iPad in October to compete with Windows 8 tablets in the fourth quarter.


Great. Only a fool would allow Microsoft and PC partners to go unchallenged as they make a frontal attack on the iPad and its market dominance. Especially in October 2012, just as Christmas shoppers start to buy.

Now, this will require Apple to be flexible and competitive to end its usual one size fits all, and only one model per year, since Apple is overstretched as it is. But the reward will be market dominance for years to come.

Make the iPad 4 a better tablet with the A6, a quad core CPU built with a smaller and cooler die, and an 8 MegaPixel back camera, and I'll buy one.


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The main screen is your Metro Start screen. It contains all your live tiles and icons. You can group them into groups as well. Old apps will just contain the icon and name of the app. New Metro apps can control this tile to give relevant information such as unread email count or current weather information or latest news etc... But you start all apps from this start screen. And its the exact same number of clicks to start an app from the start screen or less. As all your apps are on one scrolling screen almost like Launchpad. You can still also pin icons to the taskbar for desktop mode.

Ok cool... just wondering. I have all my programs pinned to the Windows 7 Start Menu now... a lot of frequently used programs. Just curious what that would look like in Windows 8

I'm a desktop/mouse/keyboard guy. I plan to keep using all my existing desktop programs. I guess I don't see the appeal of Metro on my desktop machine... as I will be running regular Windows programs.

But I totally understand Metro for tablets.

Can I just launch into Windows 8 Desktop by default?

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Great. Only a fool would allow Microsoft and PC partners to go unchallenged as they make a frontal attack on the iPad and its market dominance. Especially in October 2012, just as Christmas shoppers start to buy.

Now, this will require Apple to be flexible and competitive to end its usual one size fits all, and only one model per year, since Apple is overstretched as it is. But the reward will be market dominance for years to come.

Make the iPad 4 a better tablet with the A6, a quad core CPU built with a smaller and cooler die, and an 8 MegaPixel back camera, and I'll buy one.

I don't see that happening. Besides MS uphill battle or trying to get users on an unused OS UI (note that Apple had users on iOS on both the iPhone and iPod Touch before releasing the iPad) they will not have access to the HiDPI display and likely not have battery life or a general user experience that comes close to the iPad. Remember, apps for Metro will have to be rewritten for the interface and they simply don't exist yet.

I wouldn't expect an iPad 4 until about this time next year with an A6X chip which seems most likely to be a dual-core Cortex-A15-based processor and hopefully an Img Tech Series 6 'Rogue' GPU with 8 cores and being far less of a power hog.

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I am interested in seeing Windows 8 in all its incarnations.

Though, I think Android has most to fear from Windows 8.
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When Windows 8 was announced publicly, didn't MS salt about 50,000 Intel tablets and the software with developers?

How are these working out?

This should give us some feel for the readiness and usefulness of the package for October release.
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Can't W8 for Windows 8. I've been using it on and off on my desktop and I really like it. Very fluid and fast and just like the whole minimalistic theme. I'm also glad to see an OS that has departed from having to imitate real life interactions and look of objects.

I think the eventually evolution for Windows will be Metro, provided consumers don't revolt. I find it possibly to be extremely productive entirely in Metro even on a desktop.

Really? Because I was under the impression that there weren't any actual productivity apps for Metro thus far. So that "being productive" on desktop Metro, at this point, would involve checking your email, surfing, looking at Twitter feeds or weather widgets or stock tickers, and the like. Or did MS skin a bunch of legacy apps to feel "Metro-ish"?

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The other plus for tablets is multitasking two applications at once on the same screen, very useful.

Can you drag and drop files between apps in Metro this way?

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My only debate is between ARM and x86. I think I will probably settle for Nokia ARM for the extended battery life.

Isn't that a fair bigger decision than just battery life, though? In that ARM devices won't run any legacy Windows apps?
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Great. Only a fool would allow Microsoft and PC partners to go unchallenged as they make a frontal attack on the iPad and its market dominance. Especially in October 2012, just as Christmas shoppers start to buy.

Now, this will require Apple to be flexible and competitive to end its usual one size fits all, and only one model per year, since Apple is overstretched as it is. But the reward will be market dominance for years to come.

Make the iPad 4 a better tablet with the A6, a quad core CPU built with a smaller and cooler die, and an 8 MegaPixel back camera, and I'll buy one.



I dunno. If I had a nickel for every time started insisting that Apple "had to respond" to this or that as yet to be shipped tech, or some trend in the marketplace, you know? And they never do, and here we are.
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Really? Because I was under the impression that there weren't any actual productivity apps for Metro thus far. So that "being productive" on desktop Metro, at this point, would involve checking your email, surfing, looking at Twitter feeds or weather widgets or stock tickers, and the like. Or did MS skin a bunch of legacy apps to feel "Metro-ish"?

I agree.

To me... "being productive" is using all the programs I've been using for years... and not waiting for them to be "Metro Ready" or having their interfaces completely mucked with.

Do I really need little Metro "apps" when I've had no problem using programs on every version of Windows from 95 to Windows 7 all these years?

I use a desktop computer, keyboard, mouse and a 20" non-touchscreen monitor. What exactly is Metro gonna do for me?
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- Nobody wants an Android tablet -- Google's will fail miserably ....

Google needs to get off its a$$ if it wants to survive the mobile market. I've played with Android but can't find reasons to buy a device with this OS.

- Nobody wants to do Windows8 computing on the go -- on a desktop, sure, but not a tablet ....

I think some people do want Windows, but it may not be what MS is offering at the moment. If Ballmer and company introduces Windows 8 with another funeral or my pipe is bigger than yours ad strategy, then it will already fail miserably. Windows Phone 7 is only gaining some recognition now and it is in spite of MS's bungling.

*Note to Ballmer: fire your ad company or fire yourself.

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Will they sell some?

Sure -- as collector's items & curiosities.

But Apple & Kindle Fire [horrible name, by the way] own the tablet space.*

Those are the massmarket items.

Haven't the last 2 years shown anybody anything?!?

Nobody wants an Android tablet -- Google's will fail miserably ....

Nobody wants to do Windows8 computing on the go -- on a desktop, sure, but not a tablet ....

But Mi¢ro$oft cleanses thier arse with $100 banknotes, plus they're bored, so this is what we get.
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If MS is successful, will that add significant revenue? How much are hardware makers to pay for this OS? I don't think for a second they will come anything close to the revenue Apple enjoys with the iPad. As Steve told Walt Mossberg on AllThingsD 'it's all in the software' yet fully understanding that people don't like to pay for software, they create hardware people are willing to pay for. Top dollar even.

Yes, MS will need to create a helluva OS, but the burden on the hardware makers is just as great. I wonder if they, like Apple, will release tablets in the $499 - $829 range.
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Not exactly. The Start SCREEN completely replaces the Start MENU.

I've been running the Consumer Preview as the primary OS on my PC and I have to say Microsoft is really on to something with these Live Tiles. The Mac OS looks ancient in comparison. It's nice to have your whole life laid out for you on one screen without having to actually launch any programs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple copies it in one form or the other when they finally release their replacement for the 30 year old desktop metaphor.


Oh Please... I have tried it out and Windows 8 is a disaster that very poorly integrates Windows 7 and Windows phone OS. Some call it Windows Frankenstein.

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How how many Apps will run on the "new" Windows 8 tablet? Three years late to the table and playing catch up is really difficult.
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If MS is successful, will that add significant revenue? How much are hardware makers to pay for this OS? I don't think for a second they will come anything close to the revenue Apple enjoys with the iPad. As Steve told Walt Mossberg on AllThingsD 'it's all in the software' yet fully understanding that people don't like to pay for software, they create hardware people are willing to pay for. Top dollar even.

Yes, MS will need to create a helluva OS, but the burden on the hardware makers is just as great. I wonder if they, like Apple, will release tablets in the $499 - $829 range.

MS being a SW-based company pulls in much higher margins than Apple but since they only sell one aspect of a device they need to sell substantially more units to equal Apple's profit from one sale.

Do we know the figures? Pulled from first google result but not verified as accurate or current we have MS with 31.72% net profit margin compared to Apple with 20.70%. I think that means MS needs to sell 2/3rds the revenue of Apple to equal their profit.

But how much is a Windows license? $50 for a tablet OS? Seems very high but let's use it. iPad ARP is over $600 but let's say it is $600. That means MS needs 2/3rds of $600 which is $400, or 8 licenses just to match Apple with one iPad sale.

That means if Apple sells 25 million iPads in the holiday quarter of this year MS will need to sell 200 million Win8 licenses just to tablet makers.

That doesn't seem remotely possible to me. Of course, MS doesn't have to best Apple to still be successful and profitable in its own right.

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Great. Only a fool would allow Microsoft and PC partners to go unchallenged as they make a frontal attack on the iPad and its market dominance. Especially in October 2012, just as Christmas shoppers start to buy.

Now, this will require Apple to be flexible and competitive to end its usual one size fits all, and only one model per year, since Apple is overstretched as it is. But the reward will be market dominance for years to come.

Make the iPad 4 a better tablet with the A6, a quad core CPU built with a smaller and cooler die, and an 8 MegaPixel back camera, and I'll buy one.



It's not about hardware specs. Unless people get off their Office addiction Microsoft will have a huge market for a Windows tablet. The key to dealing with Microsoft is in dealing with Office to which businesses are addicted.

Who would have thought that word processing and elementary matrix manipulation would hold everyone back.

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Metro is inelegant. Own it for a while and that Start screen will be a cluster-feck. Swiping in apps on tablets blind is a bad idea as a main UX method and hiding all of the controls although makes for a "cleaner" experience it also makes for a potentially much more confusing experience and it adds more taps to every single task which is a bad idea. And Metro for keyboards and mice is terrible design. The hot-corners by default is also extremely misguided on Microsoft's part.

The only thing I see Metro has going for it at this point is the fact that it's NEW! The fact that MS clearly didn't think a lot of this stuff though is obvious. They were so hellbent on being successful and were so reactionary to the iPad that they are acting impatiently and not hiring the right people to make the right calls in Metro. And the fact that they couldn't kill the desktop is inexcusable. Either kill it or keep it, you cannot do both concurrently with success.

If Microsoft's choices with Windows 8 on both tablets and desktops proves anything it's that Apple's choices with their two OS's were more clever and insightful than we thought.
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I wish there was a way to change "metro"s obnoxious colors. They hurt my eyes

One should never underestimate Microsoft, as Sculey did with windoze 3.0. Their interfaces always look crude and vulgar but they still have the legacy following and are willing to play underdog and stay the course. Whatever comes out in oct will probably be a testbed so they can gather info for their next gen tablets. They adapt to market conditions.

That said, their Zune strategy has been a colossal failure and besides Kinect, they are not a big name in any gadgetry. With Nokia (and who knows who else) making tablets it will be hard to position their product to the average person. Most people use tablets to browse and play games. Only when they have convinced the developers to write for them exclusively they may have a chance, but that boat has sailed.
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I hope that they work well. I'd love to have a tablet with a full OS that can handle real programs in addition to apps, and which has a full range of software vendors.

If they can keep the costs reasonable, and the performance acceptable, they might have a winner here.

Keep hoping - but wait and see.
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I wish there was a way to change "metro"s obnoxious colors. They hurt my eyes

One should never underestimate Microsoft, as Sculey did with windoze 3.0. Their interfaces always look crude and vulgar but they still have the legacy following and are willing to play underdog and stay the course. Whatever comes out in oct will probably be a testbed so they can gather info for their next gen tablets. They adapt to market conditions.

That said, their Zune strategy has been a colossal failure and besides Kinect, they are not a big name in any gadgetry. With Nokia (and who knows who else) making tablets it will be hard to position their product to the average person. Most people use tablets to browse and play games. Only when they have convinced the developers to write for them exclusively they may have a chance, but that boat has sailed.

The problem is that microsofts actual microsoft produced hardware is pretty good. I had a zune before i got an iphone and i loved it. always worked, was fast and the zune software was great . the zune software is much better then itunes.

IF microsoft actually produced its own computer i am sure they can compete with apple. Microsofts problem is they rather give everything to their partners.
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With Metro... where is all the stuff that used to be on the Start Menu? Programs and such?

Old image... I know...



I have always found it bizarre that one clicks on "Start" in order to access "Shut Down".

Good old Microsoft
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Ok cool... just wondering. I have all my programs pinned to the Windows 7 Start Menu now... a lot of frequently used programs. Just curious what that would look like in Windows 8

I'm a desktop/mouse/keyboard guy. I plan to keep using all my existing desktop programs. I guess I don't see the appeal of Metro on my desktop machine... as I will be running regular Windows programs.

But I totally understand Metro for tablets.

I feel the same way. I am interested in Metro for a tablet, but NOT for a desktop.

I keep icons in various locations depending on how I use them. There are a couple of groups on the desktop for programs I use in conjunction with each other. The everyday stuff is pinned to the task bar. Stuff I use rarely resides in the drop down menus attached tot he "All Programs" part of the taskbar.

IOW, three convenient places to show/hide Shortcuts to programs. Some are in more than one place. That is how I like it. Will I have to be shoehorned into a new paradigm? If I wanted that, I'd get a Mac.
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Not exactly. The Start SCREEN completely replaces the Start MENU.

I've been running the Consumer Preview as the primary OS on my PC and I have to say Microsoft is really on to something with these Live Tiles. The Mac OS looks ancient in comparison. It's nice to have your whole life laid out for you on one screen without having to actually launch any programs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple copies it in one form or the other when they finally release their replacement for the 30 year old desktop metaphor.

Let's look at it the other way around - would I buy an app that gave me, say, Mission Control functionality had Apple not built it in? Yes. Would I buy a full-screen app manager that integrates by putting the apps into their own desktops nicely? Yes.

I certainly wouldn't buy an app that gave me that horrific Live Tiles screen, and even less an OS that made me use it as my main screen. I wouldn't specifically buy Lion's Launch Pad either, but there I have the option of just not opening it.

Pushing touch UI to the desktop just for the sake of making things the same may be a marketer's dream, but there's a reason pushing the desktop to tablets never sold either. Desktop and tablet are not the same. Microsoft is pulling their classic "let's push the wrong interface onto every device" yet again. But hey, I just base that on running the preview myself.

Anyway, that all doesn't mean Microsoft will fail. They managed to push DOS, Windows 1/2/3/3.1, Vista, etc., so I wouldn't write them off, though why anyone would buy an ARM tablet with their OS (lose the legacy apps) or x86 tablet (use Metro but only for some stuff, if you want compatibility it's back to the future - use desktop stuff, but with a stylus/mouse & keyboard - hey, this didn't sell for the past decade either) is beyond me.
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MS being a SW-based company pulls in much higher margins than Apple but since they only sell one aspect of a device they need to sell substantially more units to equal Apple's profit from one sale.

Do we know the figures? Pulled from first google result but not verified as accurate or current we have MS with 31.72% net profit margin compared to Apple with 20.70%. I think that means MS needs to sell 2/3rds the revenue of Apple to equal their profit.

But how much is a Windows license? $50 for a tablet OS? Seems very high but let's use it. iPad ARP is over $600 but let's say it is $600. That means MS needs 2/3rds of $600 which is $400, or 8 licenses just to match Apple with one iPad sale.

That means if Apple sells 25 million iPads in the holiday quarter of this year MS will need to sell 200 million Win8 licenses just to tablet makers.

That doesn't seem remotely possible to me. Of course, MS doesn't have to best Apple to still be successful and profitable in its own right.

Can'tremember where I saw the figure but I think last year it was announced that windows 7 was selling at the rate of 3 to 1 to IOS and OS X combined since it's launch if that is any help at all\

edit
No it was just IOS vs Windows 7
http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-iphones-apple
post #38 of 77
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Oh Please... I have tried it out and Windows 8 is a disaster that very poorly integrates Windows 7 and Windows phone OS. Some call it Windows Frankenstein.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...ily_2012-03-01

http://www.i-programmer.info/profess...n-monster.html

Windows Frankenstein, eh? I hope not. And I hope that there won't be any compelling need to change from Win7 on my current machine.

I hope that it works well for tablets, however.
post #39 of 77
They will have a very tough time competing against the iPad and the Kindle. By October the iPad will have a huge lead and I can't imagine how a Windows 8 tablet will catch up.
post #40 of 77
Two things:

1) Most people I work with use the desktop to place their files. Metro runs counter to this. I don't use my desktop that way, I'm the hotkey and spaces type.

2) Three people must make margin on a windows box (MS, Intel, and the box guy). Apple doesn't have this burden. I think in the small mobil space this matters.
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