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Apple revealed on Wednesday that the newly released iPhoto for iOS has sold a million copies from the App Store in its first 10 days.

There are now a million users of iPhoto for iPhone and iPad, Apple announced to The Loop. The number applies to users and not downloads, meaning it sold a million copies of the software.

At $5 apiece, that means Apple made $5 million from the software in its first 10 days of availability. The application was released two weeks ago, after the company unveiled its third-generation iPad.

Dubbed a "reinvention" of the preexisting iPhoto for Mac, the new version takes advantage of the multi-touch capabilities of the iPad and iPhone. It also supports photo sizes up to 19 megapixels.

As of Wednesday afternoon, iPhoto was the second-most-popular paid application on the iPad App Store, holding an average user rating of three-and-a-half stars out of five from nearly 2,300 reviews. On the iPhone App Store, where applications priced at 99 cents tend to dominate sales, iPhoto is currently the 18th-best-selling paid application, though it ranks 15th among the top grossing.

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I would love to know how much it cost to produce iPhoto for iOS.
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This is what happens when you price software fairly. I feel the sweet spot is a little higher then $5, but not $79 like some other companies want. Make it cheap and EASY to purchase like Apple has and you will certainly reduce piracy to irreverent levels.

Or you can have reduced customer satisfaction, hard to use and expensive to maintain copy protection, a team of costly lawyers to sue customers (totally taking them and everyone they know out of the future customer group) and unrealistic customer expectations due to the price like some other companies enjoy.
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I would love to know how much it cost to produce iPhoto for iOS.

Me too... If I had to wager a guess, it is 106MB, figure 80% of that is images, you are around a million lines of code. If they re-used 50% of that, you might be looking at around $5-10MM invested in programming plus another $5MM in design. Based on some of the negative reviews, not all of that money has been put in yet, but I haven't bought it.

An independent company could likely do it for half that cost safely given lower overhead.
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Apps like iPhoto make all the difference. Put the right apps and it’s s quite powerful device.

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This is what happens when you price software fairly. I feel the sweet spot is a little higher then $5

I think that Apple left money on the table.
Would a price of $8 changed anyone's purchase decision? I think that demand is price inelastic under $10 for software of this quality and usefulness.
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Me too... If I had to wager a guess, it is 106MB, figure 80% of that is images, you are around a million lines of code. If they re-used 50% of that, you might be looking at around $5-10MM invested in programming plus another $5MM in design. Based on some of the negative reviews, not all of that money has been put in yet, but I haven't bought it.

An independent company could likely do it for half that cost safely given lower overhead.

Basically you are saying that you dont know shit.

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Basically you are saying that you dont know shit.

Par for the course unfortunately
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Par for the course unfortunately

Haha I love the idea though that if I make it seem like my software has more "lines of code" that it's worth more money.
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My guess is there are a lot of people buying this app because it's from Apple and it's new, shiny, and cheap.

However, I'm also guessing most of those people will never actually USE this app. Who the hell takes every single one of their photos on an iPhone or iPad, or doesn't have years invested in an existing massive iPhoto library that this app doesn't even interface with?!

OK, maybe this will fit the bill for some people, and maybe I'm a bit perturbed I won't be able sit on my sofa with my iPad and give my own iPhoto library the attention it deserves/needs, but I still say until they make the two (OS X and iOS versions) play well together, this is an app for the novelty closet.
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The thing that is becoming evident to me is that complicated apps on iOS like Photo really are a bit confusing due to the icons not clearly representing the function that will be performed if you tap it. Because there is no hover to get a description of the action and the system wide undo function is not very intuitive either, they had to put an undo button in the app interface itself. This seems to reveal one of the shortcomings of a touch interface.

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I think that Apple left money on the table.
Would a price of $8 changed anyone's purchase decision? I think that demand is price inelastic under $10 for software of this quality and usefulness.

A 60% increase would alter buying habits but I don't think it would be severe and I think they could accrue more profit for the app at a higher price. They also would have had to jack up the price of iMovie when they made it universal or simply made an iPad only version or iMovie HD that supersedes the iPhone/Touch version.

That said, I think looking at the "sweet spot" for the app is not the most appropriate outlook. I think it makes more sense to look at the "sweet spot" for the ecosystem. If the app can be an instant favorite on a great display it will not only help keep users on the iPad it cold help pull them fpaway from the 'PC'.

Also note that one of the common quips about the iPad is that it's for "consumption, not creation." This is what I'd call a killer app.

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post #14 of 47
Apple should just replace the stock Photos app in iOS with iPhoto..
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Haha I love the idea though that if I make it seem like my software has more "lines of code" that it's worth more money.

Ooh if that was the case;

$iPhoto_letters_array = array (
'FIRST_LETTER' => 'i',
'SECOND_LETTER' => 'P',
'THIRD_LETTER' => 'h',
'FOURTH_LETTER => 'o',
'FIFTH_LETTER => 't',
'SIXTH_LETTER => 'o'
);

function print_app_name ($name_letters_array) {
$gather_letters = null;
foreach ($name_letters_array as $k => $v) {
$gather_letters .= $v;
}

$whole_name = $gather_letters;

return $whole_name;

unset($whole_name);

}

print (print_app_name($iPhoto_letters_array));

So for what that should have taken like 1 line to do, I've used like 18 lines. I'm in the money, I'm in the money, thanks for the tip.
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My guess is there are a lot of people buying this app because it's from Apple and it's new, shiny, and cheap.

The old 'people are buying it because it's from Apple' routine, eh?

You know, the more that I hear that, the clearer it becomes that that this excuse is offered up by people who have no clue about what customers need.

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The thing that is becoming evident to me is that complicated apps on iOS like Photo really are a bit confusing due to the icons not clearly representing the function that will be performed if you tap it. Because there is no hover to get a description of the action and the system wide undo function is not very intuitive either, they had to put an undo button in the app interface itself. This seems to reveal one of the shortcomings of a touch interface.

It's got a single question mark which you tap on to bring up overlays clearly labeling each and every function on the screen at any given time.

Was that too difficult for you to use, was it?
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The old 'people are buying it because it's from Apple' routine, eh?

You know, the more that I hear that, the clearer it becomes that that this excuse is offered up by people who have no clue about what customers need.



It's got a single question mark which you tap on to bring up overlays clearly labeling each and every function on the screen at any given time.

Was that too difficult for you to use, was it?

Wait hold on let me write that down, question mark, okay got it, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

Ooh if that was the case;

$iPhoto_letters_array = array (
'FIRST_LETTER' => 'i',
'SECOND_LETTER' => 'P',
'THIRD_LETTER' => 'h',
'FOURTH_LETTER => 'o',
'FIFTH_LETTER => 't',
'SIXTH_LETTER => 'o'
);

function print_app_name ($name_letters_array) {
$gather_letters = null;
foreach ($name_letters_array as $k => $v) {
$gather_letters .= $v;
}

$whole_name = $gather_letters;

return $whole_name;

unset($whole_name);

}

print (print_app_name($iPhoto_letters_array));

So for what that should have taken like 1 line to do, I've used like 18 lines. I'm in the money, I'm in the money, thanks for the tip.

You forgot to add, right at the end:

return $wads of cash; to Apple
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You forgot to add, right at the end:

return $wads of cash; to Apple

Hey it's my app so I should be entitled at least 5% of the proceeds,
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It's got a single question mark which you tap on to bring up overlays clearly labeling each and every function on the screen at any given time.

Was that too difficult for you to use, was it?

That's right. I forgot about that. I downloaded it the first day and have not opened it except the one time. Now I remember that I thought the '?' was a bit awkward as well. One button for every help topic all displayed at once. I don't know how well that works either.

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My guess is there are a lot of people buying this app because it's from Apple and it's new, shiny, and cheap.

I'm sure that accounts for some purchases, but 1 million?!? I think people are looking for a better Photo editing app. The existing crop of photo editing apps are pretty good but not a slam dunk.

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However, I'm also guessing most of those people will never actually USE this app. Who the hell takes every single one of their photos on an iPhone or iPad, or doesn't have years invested in an existing massive iPhoto library that this app doesn't even interface with?!

Uhh really? I pretty much use my iPhone 4s for most everyday photos with amazing results. I still use my DSLR for some situations: low light situations (that I know about in advance which is rare!), or when I am composing a photo. Otherwise I pull my iPhone, flick the camera open from the lock screen and boo-ya awesome photo captured. Ok... potentially awesome photo captured.

In fact, last year it was reported that the iPhone 4 is the most popular camera on Flickr. Clearly I am not alone.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/21/flickr-iphone-data/

I think the need that iPhoto may fill is to do some quick edits on photos that you just took so you don't have a ton of totally useless pics that need Photoshop work to make them look good. I am still playing with iPhoto so I can't say how cool or lame it is, but I was able to clean up a few pics I took on vacation on my iPhone so they didn't suck too bad. Previously I used Snapseed and PS Express so I am comparing iPhoto against those apps.
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I would love to know how much it cost to produce iPhoto for iOS.

Might be difficult to put a price on it. Everyone who worked on it was probably an employee on salary, so they were paying that person anyways. If you were to outsource this software then it would probably get pretty pricey.

I'd be curious to know how long it takes to make software like this.
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I love the new iPhoto app. It is great for somebody like me to be able to edit photos on the go. I use it for work, and it has Already increased efficiency of my job. Plus, it is so fun to use. I do wish that they would incorporate better organizing methods in the program, however.
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This is not very much at all: $5M in sales thus far. Not even close to a rounding error.

Given forecasts of the scale of iPad revenue -- in excess of $40B for 2012 (66M iPads*$614/iPads) -- Apple should simply give away iLife for the iPad (just as it does with Macs) and swallow the cost. The extra iPads they might sell will likely more than pay for what might currently be seen as a little bit of nickel-and-diming over a ridiculously small number.
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This is not very much at all: $5M in sales thus far. Not even close to a rounding error.

Given forecasts of the scale of iPad revenue -- in excess of $40B for 2012 (66M iPads*$614/iPads) -- Apple should simply give away iLife for the iPad (just as it does with Macs) and swallow the cost. The extra iPads they might sell will likely more than pay for what might currently be seen as a little bit of nickel-and-diming over a ridiculously small number.

I think we'll eventually see Apple go down this road. Just like on the Mac, we don't have a separate app for photos, just iPhoto. Same with the other iApps.

Think about an iPad loaded up with Garageband, iMovie, iPhone and iWork. Would be hell of a machine out of the box (although it already is).
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Apple should simply give away iLife for the iPad (just as it does with Macs) and swallow the cost. The extra iPads they might sell will likely more than pay for what might currently be seen as a little bit of nickel-and-diming over a ridiculously small number.

I think there is a case to be made but have you considered that iLife for Mac doesn't get feature updates very often and requires the user to purchase the new updates, whereas with iMovie, for example, all those happy with in on their iPhone can now use in on their iPad 1.5 years later without paying any additional costs.

But that's a difference in the current models, I think the most important reason for charging for the app is to keep the App Store competitive. There could also be a case made that giving it away could be anti-competitve. On the Mac Apple's OS dominance is low but for mobile OSes iOS is powerful.

PS: I wouldn't be surprised if Apple announced that OS X Mountain Lion is a free yearly update with new Macs when they demo the OS at WWDC.

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PS: I wouldn't be surprised if Apple announced that OS X Mountain Lion is a free yearly update with new Macs when they demo the OS at WWDC.

Free yearly update for three years, and then you have to buy a new computer?

I don't flippin' think so.

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This is not very much at all: $5M in sales thus far. Not even close to a rounding error.

Given forecasts of the scale of iPad revenue -- in excess of $40B for 2012 (66M iPads*$614/iPads) -- Apple should simply give away iLife for the iPad (just as it does with Macs) and swallow the cost. The extra iPads they might sell will likely more than pay for what might currently be seen as a little bit of nickel-and-diming over a ridiculously small number.

I really think the amount of money Apple makes on the iPad all of their apps for that platform should be free. iWork, iPhoto the works, Apple is wondering what their going to do with that 100 billion dollars in the bank, how about starting with giving a little back to the people who gave that money to them in the first place.

Then perhaps a free iPad for education program that would supply every student in America with one along with the iBooks to go with them. Yes it would cost about 25 Billion dollars to do so but can you imagine the hook them while their young returns that it could produce. Not to mention schools upgrading to newer models later. The ripple effect could be astounding not to mention making Apple the most popular company that was ever established.

Even if this doesn't happen, if you have a valid student ID then the iPad should be sold at cost.
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The problem now that the iOS version is both better and faster than the Mac version is storage management. Is it gomna be all iCloud soon?
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Free yearly update for three years, and then you have to buy a new computer?

I don't flippin' think so.

The OS should be free, you have to own a Apple anyway to use it. To make it more interesting for Apple then they could implement a 3 year compatibility program. Meaning every new OSX version would only be installable on Apple products that are not older then 3 years, or 4. I think that's fair enough for a free OS and their updates.

My older Macbook has Solaris 11 and CentOS on it anyway so it's not like people don't have options. Heck even older versions of OSX are more then useable. My neighbor still has her 20" iMac lamp that runs 10.4.11. Gosh that was a cool model wasn't, it looks so cute in her kitchen. Even though it's only a G4 running at 1.25 GHZ I don't see any lag, still very useable as a surfing, music and watching Youtube recipe shows machine.
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My neighbor still has her 20" iMac lamp that runs 10.4.11. Gosh that was a cool model wasn't, it looks so cute in her kitchen. Even though it's only a G4 running at 1.25 GHZ I don't see any lag, still very useable as a surfing, music and watching Youtube recipe shows machine.

Are you aware that the 'sunflower' model, when left near a window on a bright day, will follow the face of the sun as it arcs across the sky?

Don't forget to water it frequently!
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The problem now that the iOS version is both better and faster than the Mac version is storage management. Is it gomna be all iCloud soon?

Agreed, I use cloud computing so much that I can't wait for the day when my iPad is just a dumb terminal. Yea we still have a while to go before we get there but as an owner of a Chromebook we're getting closer. Jolicloud is a pretty good example of a company who gets it.

Though I like iCloud and I'm very happy that Apple is finally in the game it still has a long way to go before I would use it exclusively. First thing that needs to happen is Apple should raise their free storage size, 5GB is just silly when every one else is offering 25GB to 50GB, checkout Skydrive or BOX for instance. Skydrive is great for your Office docs needs, even if you use iCloud exclusively you should really open up an account, it's free. The online Office apps are just so cool, I save all my Mac Office stuff their, not to mention the sharing functions are out of this world great, especially for collaboration projects.

My favorite cloud site so far though is Asus's Webstorage, it offers unlimited storage for only 50 bucks a year, 2GB filesize upload limit which is incredible. I have 420GB on it so far, mostly movies, music, eBooks and my daily backups. It also does everything iCloud does and more, including being much faster in uploading data, much faster. iPhone, iPad, Android and Windows 8 apps are also available and before you say just more crap that's not Apple, when you upload a movie in Divx or Mp4 format it will convert it on the fly for watching it on their website using Flash or HTML5 or threw your favorite video player. These are the kind of features that I want, not to mention having a really great Doc and Excel editor from Zoho right there on the site, plus eBook and Music player with playlist support as well. There are many more features but i think you get the point.

Exciting times we are living in guys and it's just going to get better. Sorry if I blabbered on to much, I get that way when I'm excited about certain tech.
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Are you aware that the 'sunflower' model, when left near a window on a bright day, will follow the face of the sun as it arcs across the sky?

Don't forget to water it frequently!

Hehe, aaaahhh that is so cute, I can't wait to tell her that. It's funny you mentioned that, she has a bunch of Sunflower stickers on it and a big one as her desktop picture. She even calls it her sunny friend.
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I really think the amount of money Apple makes on the iPad all of their apps for that platform should be free. iWork, iPhoto the works, Apple is wondering what their going to do with that 100 billion dollars in the bank, how about starting with giving a little back to the people who gave that money to them in the first place.

Then perhaps a free iPad for education program that would supply every student in America with one along with the iBooks to go with them. Yes it would cost about 25 Billion dollars to do so but can you imagine the hook them while their young returns that it could produce. Not to mention schools upgrading to newer models later. The ripple effect could be astounding not to mention making Apple the most popular company that was ever established.

Even if this doesn't happen, if you have a valid student ID then the iPad should be sold at cost.

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The OS should be free, you have to own a Apple anyway to use it. To make it more interesting for Apple then they could implement a 3 year compatibility program. Meaning every new OSX version would only be installable on Apple products that are not older then 3 years, or 4. I think that's fair enough for a free OS and their updates.

You're pretty good at giving away other people's money. How about if you give me your money? After all, you can probably afford to give me some of your money.

Get it through your head. Apple is not a charity.
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My guess is there are a lot of people buying this app because it's from Apple and it's new, shiny, and cheap.

OK, maybe this will fit the bill for some people, and maybe I'm a bit perturbed I won't be able sit on my sofa with my iPad and give my own iPhoto library the attention it deserves/needs, but I still say until they make the two (OS X and iOS versions) play well together, this is an app for the novelty closet.

I can think of a number of business uses for this. People who are selling something can have albums for each item.

Model agency, cars, and houses.

For me, I'd just like the ability to share my desktop iPhoto with my iPad. I can share music, and videos, so why not photo albums?
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Are you aware that the 'sunflower' model, when left near a window on a bright day, will follow the face of the sun as it arcs across the sky?

Don't forget to water it frequently!

I had one but unfortunately after watering it and leaving it near the window.....it's sad one day it failed to boot up. Only the powerup chime and that's it. It's is now my museum piece along with the Blondie iMac.
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post #37 of 47
I bought it the moment it was available. I still need to come to grips with it though. I had to get a little used to the interface - groping around in the dark for a bit.

Still, for the price and the Apple brand, I think it is a neat app, finally completing my iLife suite for the iPad. Just for old times sake, I put Garage Band, iMovie, iPhoto and the Music app in one folder called iLife! Good times!!
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

I really think the amount of money Apple makes on the iPad all of their apps for that platform should be free. iWork, iPhoto the works, Apple is wondering what their going to do with that 100 billion dollars in the bank, how about starting with giving a little back to the people who gave that money to them in the first place.

Then perhaps a free iPad for education program that would supply every student in America with one along with the iBooks to go with them. Yes it would cost about 25 Billion dollars to do so but can you imagine the hook them while their young returns that it could produce. Not to mention schools upgrading to newer models later. The ripple effect could be astounding not to mention making Apple the most popular company that was ever established.

Even if this doesn't happen, if you have a valid student ID then the iPad should be sold at cost.

Free for education is just not going to fly - there is no way Apple can even make as many as they would need!

But for the other idea - I think at some point Apple will embrace something like it. Today, there is absolutely no competition for the iPad, so there is no need for Apple to give away quality software. In fact there are many people who would agree that Apple should/could have priced the new iPad higher.... they are leaving quite a bit of money on the table at the low end.

However, maybe when Win 8 is out, if MS manages to gather significant momentum, this is a no brainer for Apple. Apple would have already recovered the development costs of creating iWork and iLife for iOS by now.

And all those people who refuse to classify the iPad as a PC, because it is used only for Consuming Content, will be hard pressed to find some other excuse to avoid counting the iPad in PC sales.
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I really think the amount of money Apple makes on the iPad all of their apps for that platform should be free. iWork, iPhoto the works, Apple is wondering what their going to do with that 100 billion dollars in the bank, how about starting with giving a little back to the people who gave that money to them in the first place.

Then perhaps a free iPad for education program that would supply every student in America with one along with the iBooks to go with them. Yes it would cost about 25 Billion dollars to do so but can you imagine the hook them while their young returns that it could produce. Not to mention schools upgrading to newer models later. The ripple effect could be astounding not to mention making Apple the most popular company that was ever established.

Even if this doesn't happen, if you have a valid student ID then the iPad should be sold at cost.

That might be a record for the number of stupid comments in one post.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

That might be a record for the number of stupid comments in one post.

Oh there is no reason for that. The post wasn't to be taken likely, I fully understand that Apple is just another self interest company that will never give out a freebie unless it's for tax reasons or one of their executives was being ransomed. It's nice to dream and when one is lying in a hospital bed they start to question the actions of themselves and others. So I got a little to liberal for a sec but calling a, "we can only dream" post stupid well, I know you are but what am I.

Sometimes I think your mean just to be mean, now go yell at those darn kids to get off your lawn.
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
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When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
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