Originally Posted by tonton
Seems you have a SERIOUS comprehension problem. Aside from a backlash against visiting mainland mothers giving birth here, what on Earth does that article have to do with immigration policy?
What does it have to do when the article notes that mainlanders are making up 40% of the births which means ever more rights and payouts to people who claim those rights. It also notes the cultural disconnect, in otherwords paying money to people who do not share the same values or feel the need to honor the same social contract.
Originally Posted by jazzguru
I don't presume to know more about Hong Kong than you do. I don't live there. But I didn't say Hong Kong was not regulated at all, just less regulated than the States.
Do you know how long it takes to get a business license and incorporate in Hong Kong? 4-7 working days.
In the U.S.? It depends on the city, but in New York City it takes from 2 weeks to several months just to get a business license.
He fails to notice that all the places the bureaucracy happens to be so big and unfixable just happen to be blue states.
Originally Posted by MJ1970
Wow. I can only imagine how folks in the US would react to people in the US doing something like this:
And this is exactly the same kind of concern that exists in the US:
The parallels are amazing.
Exactly and the point is when this is addressed, when these mainlanders want their children to push his own child out of the way, there is no way he would take it lying down.
Originally Posted by tonton
No, you are. You're claiming the only reason I push for higher taxes is because I don't have to pay them (which is false).
What's Warren Buffett's reason? Why doesn't every rich businessman have the same reason then?
So are you claiming to be the one percent? All the tax increases here have been aimed at the 1%.
Originally Posted by MJ1970
So tonton, I'm curious. Would you also ban home schooling in the US? I ask because you mentioned as one of the many wonderful things in HK.
He'd be too busy enlightening all the 12 year olds as to what they are going to do with their vagina's regardless of what their actual choices may be. He will be busy forcing them to take HPV vaccines to protect the herd.
I wonder how Hong Kong is going to cleanly careful and provide for the 40% increase (minimum) in new citizens they will start having in a few years. I wonder if he will support giving said citizens benefits not only to support them but their mainlander parents who likely won't qualify but should be their to help raise their child and thus need something. I wonder what will happen when the schools want his child to learn something different to accommodate the new students. Let's see how he feels when it comes down on his kid.
Are you going to let your child pledge loyalty to the Communist Party tonton?NYTimes.com
Maggie Wong, 31, an office clerk and lifelong Hong Kong resident who had twins eight months ago, said she felt pushed aside by mainland couples. Three and a half months into her pregnancy, Ms. Wong said, she tried to schedule delivery at the public hospital near her home, “but they said there were so many mainland mothers that the beds were all full.” So she went to a private hospital, though it meant spending her husband’s life savings and borrowing from his parents.
“I am a citizen of Hong Kong. I pay Hong Kong taxes,” she said. “I kept thinking, ‘What is this? How can this be?’ Of course it creates bad feelings.”
Just write her a check out of your savings tonton. Better still write it out of your daughter's savings. Just take out a nice credit card, cash advance it to pay her and then your daughter can pay it off when she goes to work. That's exactly what your vote for Obama is doing for American children.Telegraph.co.uk
But the mainlanders who arouse by far the most ire are the women like Shu Yan, the so-called "birth tourists" who come to Hong Kong solely to have their children. They do so because of a 2001 ruling by the territory's highest court which gives all babies born in Hong Kong the right to residency and a Hong Kong passport.
This clearly is just getting started.
Three-quarters of the 44,000 mainland women who gave birth in Hong Kong last year did so in private clinics, making it difficult for locals to find a bed even if they are prepared to pay.
The remainder have their babies in the city's over-stretched public hospitals. In January, the local government bowed to public anger over the issue, cutting the quota of mainland women allowed to do so by almost two-thirds to 3,400. But more than 1,200 mainland women in 2011 did not bother to book any hospital.
They waited across the border until they went into labour, before jumping in a taxi and heading into Hong Kong to give birth at the nearest A&E department.
"I want my child to go to school in Hong Kong because the education system here is better than in China," said Mrs Shi, 31, a heavily-pregnant mainlander sitting in the obstetrics deparment at the Baptist Hospital in Hong Kong's Kowloon district. "I know Hong Kong people are upset about people from the mainland coming here to use the hospitals, but it is legal so I don't see why it is a problem."
Most Hong Kong women, though, disagree. Ida Sze, a pregnant 32-year-old jewellery buyer who has had to wait four months to see a doctor, is one of them. "I think the government needs to find a way to solve this problem," she said. "It doesn't just affect mothers, it affects the education system because there aren't enough school places and it puts the whole welfare system under strain."
A fraying social safety net due to extensive need and use related to influx of new people. Why I've never heard of that happening. Why soon some of those heartless assholes will probably want to take their money and keep it to pay for their private services since they are getting less benefit from the public services due to those who abuse the rules.Chicago Tribune
Leung beat a scandal-tainted rival, tycoon and former bureaucrat Henry Tang, in a contest on Sunday decided by a 1,200-member election committee of business professionals, tycoons and Beijing loyalists.
Why in Hong Kong, only those with skin in the game even get to pick the leader.
Leung faces a list of problems in Hong Kong including high levels of pollution, soaring property inflation that has fueled a widening wealth gap and global economic headwinds.
Well let's not worry about those. Let's just have about 4 million or so mainlanders straddle the fence and claim the goodies they want from Hong Kong with their citizenship but still also keep whatever they want and demand from mainland China. The little people who get hurt in the middle, they are just racist assholes who aren't sophisticated enough to realize why they should be ripped off.
Better still let's triple his and her energy costs to make sure they properly fund the green technologies that might attempt to make all these mainlander citizens and their needs possible. I'm sure they will avoid those costs by using dirty energy on the mainland and just wander over when it is time to collect a right or benefit.