Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot
What I meant was "you" as in each individual person that thinks about this case.
Race only matters to bigots.
Yes... Jessie and Al and friends are bringing race into it ... but not because race BELONG's in the debate ... only because that is their default position for EVERYTHING.
The fact that they do this ALL THE TIME shows that THEY are the bigots and racists. Most other people would be happy to prosecute the crime based on what happened rather than on the color of one's skin or their religion or whatever other bigoted ideas Jessie and Al want to come up with.
Got it. We agree.
That is absolutely disgusting.
Originally Posted by sammi jo
There seems to be a general trend amongst the right wingers here to default to blaming the victim. That comes as little surprise, given that the victim is someone who doesn't fit into the preferred mold... ie "Trayvon Martin is not one of us".
A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments
of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."
And what of the other witness? Why do you dismiss one and not the other? Was this witness interviewed by police? The point is we simply don't know. The process needs to work.
Originally Posted by sammi jo
Read the thread. It is readily apparent that those who have bought into institutionalized racism automatically *assume* that Martin was a gang-banger, or a criminal, or had bad intent, because of his color, his attire, perhaps even his age or all these combined.
What the hell? No one here has done that. In fact, I've not heard anyone anywhere that has done that. If anything, I'm inclined to think Trayvon was truly an innocent victim. In the very least, Zimmerman was extremely overzealous and reckless. The only point I and many others have made is that Jesse "Hymie" Jackson and Al "White Interlopers" Sharpton are stoking racial hatred and demanding and eye for an eye when we still don't know the facts.
And we've got the President of the United States joining in with...wait for it...racially coded language.
There has been endless repetitive indoctrination by the media, especially in the last 30 years, to demonize young black males, and people default to what is comfortable and convenient, an easy solution that fits their often insular, filtered world view.
That I agree with. But that doesn't mean this was a racially motivated killing, or that the police are racist. It may mean that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin, and that is a serious (and separate) problem.
Oh, and gated communities are for those who prefer to filter their existences from people like Trayvon.... whose profile fitted the description of a person who should not be there... despite having permission to be there.
You're really showing your ignorance here. This was a mixed-race community. Secondly, your implication that people who live in gated communities are racists is outrageous.
What kind of precedent can be set by the complete lack of justice in this case? Trigger happy bozos employed by private security can fire at people as a first resort, then give the excuse of "self defense" despite contrary reports by witnesses, and expect the police to do nothing.
Lack of justice? Why...because there wasn't an immediate arrest? The problem here is that you have joined the rest of racial instigators in presuming guilt, and presuming hatred in the shooter's heart. You've jumped right on the bandwagon. You don't give a shit about the facts, which is evidenced by you completely ignoring the OTHER (and original) witness's claim that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.
Furthermore, the lack of *any* action in this case re. the law, has been a huge step BACKWARD in race relations. It has been one month since the killing. There has been no justice and by the way things are going, there probably will be no justice. Is this acceptable anywhere? Is this OK in a western industrial nation?
A special prosecutor has been appointed. The case is not over by any stretch. But that's not good enough for people like you that want blood.
There are some folk in here trying to defend the indefensible, by sticking up for a callous killer.
Who the fuck appointed you judge and jury? You have no idea if Zimmerman was a callous killer. You have no idea if Trayvon was a sweet innocent boy, or a kid that had been suspended multiple times from school for offenses including drugs, vandalism and suspicion of burglary.
None of this may matter...in the end Zimmerman may have killed him because he was black, because he had on a hoodie, because he was over zealous, or because he was a psycho. WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW. Unlike you, I want to see what happens with the process. I want to see the facts as they become available.
Originally Posted by MJ1970
Maybe you could help me by pointing to some specific posts or quotes.
I'm personally reserving my judgement until I've had the opportunity to see and hear all of the facts that are available. Even then the case might not be clear. I haven't been following the case very closely.
Again, I'll reserve judgement. I suspect that the suspect isn't going anywhere right now and the police are perhaps re-investigating but trying to avoid a knee-jerk reaction also.
It's true that it's quite possible justice will not prevail in this case. That would be bad. But I'm not assuming that's the case at this point.
Well done and I agree. No one here has "blamed the victim." But there are facts (or what appear to be facts at present) that don't exactly make this case cut and dried. It's possibly Zimmerman is a psycho, or a racist, or over zealous, or all three. It's possible Martin attacked him...and it's possible he did not. It's also possible that Zimmerman was merely over zealous and suddenly felt threatened for some reason (perhaps he thought Martin had a gun, etc). It's possible the police chief was incompetent, or a racist, or neither. We can speculate, but that's useless. We need the facts. We need to see how the process plays out.