Religious Atrocity Vol 3: "Taxpayer subsidized youth kidnapping!"

A stupid and dangerous thing to do, for sure. The initiation of aggression against peaceful people is immoral and illegitimate.

But tax money actually is funding the very real destruction of lives and property at home (War on Drugs) and abroad (War on Terror).

I'm waiting for you to create threads specifically devoted to expressing your outrage over those things, too.

You've created "Government Atrocity" threads? Where?

Yes.

Now maybe we should discuss other examples where people use force, violence and fear against people.

Hmm. So an organization which engages in the initiation of aggression against peaceful people should be denied "legitimate" status and the individuals running the organization should be charged as criminals, you say?

Should this same standard not also be applied to government?

Any other examples that raise your ire?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

http://www.naturalnews.com/033280_FD..._timeline.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/us/05raw.html

http://www.wnd.com/2008/12/84594/

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/30/us...ds-by-irs.html

http://journal.livingfood.us/2011/04...irm-in-oregon/

I was just wondering i those other examples outrage you.

As to the "myth that Christians in America are being persecuted"...I don't know that there's any such myth. I'm sure some folks think there's widespread persecution...but I don't see this as something that's concerning or even on the minds of 99% of Christians in America.

Sure, there are people who are hateful toward Christians (and other religious people), like yourself for example. But, at least in the circles I run, there's not really any talk about any widespread persecution.

As to frightening "America's children"...I don't know who you're talking about. You've found one example of some specific people who tried to frighten some specific children of some specific parents.

Here's a fun one. This kind of thing is actually going on on a regular basis in schools across the country. And another.

Idiots. I'd love to have been at the board meeting in that latter example.

While I certainly think this church and pastor acted stupidly and dangerously, I don't think it qualifies as "religious nutbaggery." It seems to me it's more about ridiculously bad judgement. It's the same as MJ's school examples in that sense. The intended lesson is valid in each case, but the way of teaching it is dumb, dangerous and horribly misguided.



You're entire existence here is a distraction, BR. You jump on every example of Christians, conservatives, libertarians and anyone who doesn't share your worldview acting badly. You then summarily dismiss all examples of leftists, atheists, statists, dictators, actual religious nutbags and terrorists acting badly. You assail conservatives as being heartless racists, bigots, homophobes and idiots...and ignore examples of heartlessness, racism, bigotry, homophobia and idiocy on the left.

Distraction indeed.


There was no criminal intent, so I disagree. There might be some lesser charge that would be appropriate. No criminal intent and no physical harm make it hard to prosecute anything else.


Whatever. You'll throw that out there in ANY case to see if it sticks as it's clearly one of your ultimate goals for all churches.

I think we disagree on the validity of the intended lesson in all of these cases.

Hey, there's even more fun stuff from tax-payer subsidized organizations doing kidnapping:

http://coeurdalene.kxly.com/news/sch...acuation-drill

http://www.kcci.com/education/21501208/detail.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

http://townhall.com/columnists/miche...s_strike_again

What's more, apparently it's now the law that schools must do this kind of thing monthly.

Really? I'm surprised. Teaching children about the persecution of Christians in other nations is not a valid lesson? Conducting emergency drills in case of armed intruder/violent incident in a school?

Both of these are quite valid in my opinion. It's their method of teaching that's the problem. In fact, let's not understate it...the method was completely stupid and dangerous in both cases.

I wasn't really clear what lessons you were alluding to. But you've clarified, so let me also...



Yes it is valid topic of discussion and, as you pointed out, the means use din the posted example exhibited very poor judgement.



This one is a bit less clear to me. I acknowledge that these events have unfortunately become a problem in gun-free zones like schools. However, I'm seeing the school increasingly creating a mentality of fear (shooters, bombs, terrorists, etc.) and wonder whether the concern is truly about student safety or whether there's an underlying motive to keep people off-balance through fear.



That's a fair point. The methodology is the primary concern here.

Stupid people can come in any form and shape. I suppose next you'll best posting about the astronaut that drove in a diaper to attack someone.

Oh you won't because you have a blind spot.

Want to see a prime example of stupid, look at anyone who applies exception as the rule. They are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

Your perspective clearly comes from two places here...a distrust of all government to some degree (usually healthy, might I add!) and a lack of experience working or being in a modern school (which is fine...I'm just saying it's obvious from the concern you raise).

I've participated in many drills during my years teaching. Fire drills are mandated once per month. We have several shelter drills for weather events. We also have at least two "lockdown" drills, where teachers move students to an area of rooms away from windows as much as possible, lock their doors, etc. I've also participated in emergency drills where various scenarios where presented, from a "bus accident" on school property, to an intruder on school grounds. Last month, the neighboring elementary had an actual lockdown (not a drill) because of gunshots fired somewhere nearby. I've seen other schools conduct Columbine-type drills to come up with good safety procedures should something like that occur.

I am 100% positive none of these actions have ever been motivated by "a desire to keep off-balance through fear." In fact, with all due respect, that suggestion is almost laughable from my perspective. We're not dealing with the Department of Homeland Security or the NSA here. We're dealing with local school boards comprised of elected soccer moms and baseball dads, and local school officials whose sole concern is the well-being of their students and staff.

My local school board is just a bunch of union shills. Bought and paid for.



My kids school did their "lock down" drill. Of course they informed people ahead of time and my kid thought it was fun cramming the entire class into one small office. Good thing they are second graders or they would never fit.

I'd be interested in hearing more about that. Either way, they are not some faceless government agency trying to create and use fear.


Exactly. We have announcements before hand. Sometimes we have drills that I think only teachers know about...or we used to. I can tell you (again) that I would FLIP on my superiors. FLIP.