Originally Posted by bigpics
I love this old chestnut. Another oft-repeated assertion totally lacking context.
Maybe it wasn't well stated, but if you are buying value and longevity a laptop isn't your best choice.
First, it assumes that everyone who needs more than an iPad - or even more than a base model 11.6" MB Air - for their work (or their other digital passions) always needs the latest, greatest, most tricked out desktop that exists this very moment.
I'm not sure where you got that idea from at all. If anything desktops are an even better value when purchased as low end solutions.
When in fact there are a range of people generally still bound mostly to desktops for reasons that include screen real estate, local storage, other peripherals (like the soon to be gone ODD's in all Apple notebooks) - and yes, horsepower for tasks that are more practical and productive with a more powerful computer. But they're not all rendering hours of complex compositing on full-length HD Video projects.
All of which can done better and more economically via a desktop. I think you are missing my point, laptops are often a poor choice for portability and as a. Desktop replacement. Obviously many do need a portable computer that effectively replaces a desktop, but the vast majority of laptop buyers really don't need that portability or would be better severed by the likes of an iPad.
Second, let's add a few terms to your sentence to make a point. I.e., here's a patently untrue statement in the same form: "I've yet to see a 2012, top of the line laptop that can realistically replace a good 2010 desktop and I'm pretty much convinced that it can never happen."
So putting words in my mouth is the only way you can argue your point.
Actually, this not only happens routinely, as witnessed by the number of folks who no longer have desktops at all, since the latest notebooks meet their needs, but also, technology happens at different rates for different components.
Most of those people did not "need" those laptops. IPad is in many ways realigning people's thoughts about what they need in the way of portability and the compromises that come with laptops.
The combo of the latest MB Pro and the 27" TB monitor has a screen that's going to be sweet and more than adequate for 95%+ of users for years - and ditto for ODD's, Ext. HDD's (and SSD's), printers, scanners, etc, while the CPU and the rest of the chip and motherboard bits are the parts that evolve so quickly (and for notebooks, hopefully, battery technology).
You are missing the point entirely, you seem to have zeroed in on the idea that this is a performance discussion, frankly it is nothing of the sort. It is about value for the money, maintainability, flexibility, ergonomics and other factors. Laptops fail on all of these points when put up against a desktop.
So third, and I'm fairly sure this is Apple's marketing notion as well, the combo of the TB monitor and MBP are going to bring in more revenue upfront (and cost us a premium, natch), but then, we get to have a) the advantages of a powerful-enough traveling computer and b) a desktop that's equivalent to the best desktop from 1-3 years earlier - at the cost of upgrading the just the notebook piece every few years.
At this point I can buy a decent desktop, run and maintain it for years and instead buy an iPad every two years. It is a far better arrangement of hardware.
And for those who currently need a desktop
a notebook, the cost of a MacBook + iMac is higher - and both
will have obsolescent electronics in two years - neithe
r with an upgrade path other than the replacement of both
OK so now you are supporting my point that laptops really can't replace desktops.
The latest iMacs are sweet machines - and a perfect example of a system which a) won't travel in your briefcase, and b) will still have a great screen and plenty of storage when it's time to replace it. So the solution is to simply replace the CPU - which the Thunderbolt equipped MB Pros allow.
You are extremely confused here.
As Jobs said, there will still be a "truck" business for a good long while, and Apple's in it. But even for most power users, a Ford F150 will meet their needs and only a few will need huge semi-trucks like MB Pros. Especially when a new pickup - courtesy of Moore's Law - will do the haul of a few year old semi.
You are all over the map here.
Now you're contradicting yourself, at least mildly.
Me? Have you read your post. You basically have pointed out why I see laptops as bad values and since the iMac is a laptop disquieted as a desktop why that machine sucks too! Thanks for the help.
Do you really think the only machines people will need on the road in just two years will be iPad class? Arm's not going to get that good that fast, and 9.7" won't always cut it. I mean, if I'm going out to the coffeeshop, my iPad's plenty of computing power. But if I'm going on a three day business trip that's going to involve a lot of productivity work or on a two week vacation, I want (and neeed) a MacBook Pro.
Nope I never said that. Rather for many it is a far better solution. In any event it comes back to my point, laptops are a poor mobility choice as are they a poor desktop replacement.
We're in the middle of MULTIPLE transitions here - i.e., desktop to notebook, notebook to iPad, dumb phone to smart phone - and we'll ALWAYS be in the middle of multiple transitions. So the question is the best proximal solution to manage those at any time - both from Apple's point of view as a company and from ours as users.
With transitions comes reevaluation of accepted practice.
Sure, there's going to be roll-up screens, total voice interfaces and who knows what down the road - and today's iPads and iPhones will seem quaint looking back - but during the current transition deeper into the "post-PC" era - the combo of a TB-equipped pro-level notebook and a set of TB peripherals is going to be a great solution for many. Even if the great majority of those users will also have iPads and iPhones.
Laptops will quickly end being seen as a waste of money for many common uses. This will happen much faster than you think. This isn't to discount many professional needs for laptops which will not go away. Rather this transition will have people rethinking the wisdom of buying laptops for their needs.