Originally Posted by Hellacool
With all the suing everyone is doing it is not surprising companies feel this way. Apple "says" they will give it away but have they done anything official? Signed papers, made it legal ect..... Or they just gave their "word". With all the lawsuits, Apple's "word" is not enough.
They said that if their design was chosen that they would make it freely available. As with other standards like this it is a binding agreement because if/when the standards body would choose that design Apple would have to sign away their rights. If they don't then the standards body is able to drop the design and choose another one. This isn't anything new or unheard of, it happens a lot and is basically the same thing that every company does when they make a patent FRAND. If it was only a company's word then there would be no legal basis for any of these cases or the EU's anti-competitive investigation.
Originally Posted by caliminius
Nokia claims Apple currently has no patents relevant to SIM cards. Assuming this statement is true, what does Apple have to "give away" for free for a new SIM design? As someone else mentioned in a comment to a previous article, Apple has already notified ETSI that they've filed patents relevant to their SIM design. This is what Apple has to give away for free.
So Apple currently has nothing relevant to SIM cards. It's trying to write itself as being necessary for the next gen SIM card. By doing so it can avoid licensing IP by either (a) making the other companies contribute their IP for free or (b) make them license Apple's IP thereby effectively giving their IP rights to Apple for free. Yes, Apple's true colors are to avoid licensing fees and thus increase their own profits. How massively altruistic of them. By your logic I guess Apple gives away a free iPad with at least a minimum $399 donation...
But you are right about one thing. Apple is better about playing the PR game. Apple's offer to allow use of their IP makes them look good. At least until realize all they're really doing is trying to increase their profit margin.
This whole anti-Apple conspiracy would hold a lot more water if it weren't for one very important fact. Apple did not initially offer to void all licensing payments. Apple was more than willing to move along with the process as it typically goes with all interested parties getting to collect FRAND license payments on the selected design. Meaning that they were going to be paying more than they would be making on each and every nano-SIM.
This whole idea that they are proposing this so that they don't have to pay licensing is BS. They only proposed not collecting any licensing payments after the others claimed that Apple would abuse their patent licenses. These so called "good companies" that you are holding up by cutting down Apple are the ones that forced the "no licensing" issue by claiming that Apple would abuse their patents.
Which for the record is what Motorola is doing right this instance. Something that Apple, the company that you are vilifying, has never to my knowledge done. Apple may sue others, but they have never done so using any of their patents which are FRAND licensed. And they easily could. They own patents on standards relevant to every company that they are currently in battle with, but unlike those they are fighting they are not bringing out FRAND patents. Apple does a lot of questionable stuff, but this is not one thing that they have done.
But, hey, hating Apple is the cool thing to do now because they are the big, bad corporate devil. Right? Poor little Nokia, Motorola, and RIM aren't evil at all. They don't ever do anything dishonest or abusive, do they? So, they must be the better companies to give control of a new SIM standard to.
If you don't like Apple that is fine with me, but at least be honest enough to hate them for the right reasons. This isn't the right reason.
Originally Posted by caliminius
BS. It's about money. Apple is attempting to avoid paying licensing fees for SIM technology. It's playing the PR game by announcing they'll license their IP for free which is only relevant for THEIR SIM card design.
You are absolutely correct that it is about the money. Nokia, Motorola, and RIM want to make sure that their design is chosen so that they can charge more for the new nano-SIM design. Thus, costing everyone involved, including the consumer more for each phone using the new standard. Apple makes so little money off of their licensing that they don't really care about licensing fees. They want the design that allows them the least hassle and the best industrial design for phones using the new nano-SIM standard.
The question that you need to ask yourself is why you are fighting for paying more just so Nokia, Motorola, and RIM can make some more money be weaponizing their IP portfolio? I would think that any reasonable consumer would be routing for the standard that would cost them the least amount of money.
The only logical conclusion that I can come up with for why you are routing against Apple's standard is that you simply have an irrational hatred of Apple (if this is the case you might want to seek professional help because that just isn't healthy) or you own a lot of stock in one of these companies (if this is the case you might want to seek professional help because owning their stock is likely not a good long term investment).