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Originally Posted by mknopp 
They said that if their design was chosen that they would make it freely available. As with other standards like this it is a binding agreement because if/when the standards body would choose that design Apple would have to sign away their rights. If they don't then the standards body is able to drop the design and choose another one. This isn't anything new or unheard of, it happens a lot and is basically the same thing that every company does when they make a patent FRAND. If it was only a company's word then there would be no legal basis for any of these cases or the EU's anti-competitive investigation.
This whole anti-Apple conspiracy would hold a lot more water if it weren't for one very important fact. Apple did not initially offer to void all licensing payments. Apple was more than willing to move along with the process as it typically goes with all interested parties getting to collect FRAND license payments on the selected design. Meaning that they were going to be paying more than they would be making on each and every nano-SIM.
This whole idea that they are proposing this so that they don't have to pay licensing is BS. They only proposed not collecting any licensing payments after the others claimed that Apple would abuse their patent licenses. These so called "good companies" that you are holding up by cutting down Apple are the ones that forced the "no licensing" issue by claiming that Apple would abuse their patents.
Which for the record is what Motorola is doing right this instance. Something that Apple, the company that you are vilifying, has never to my knowledge done. Apple may sue others, but they have never done so using any of their patents which are FRAND licensed. And they easily could. They own patents on standards relevant to every company that they are currently in battle with, but unlike those they are fighting they are not bringing out FRAND patents. Apple does a lot of questionable stuff, but this is not one thing that they have done.
But, hey, hating Apple is the cool thing to do now because they are the big, bad corporate devil. Right? Poor little Nokia, Motorola, and RIM aren't evil at all. They don't ever do anything dishonest or abusive, do they? So, they must be the better companies to give control of a new SIM standard to.
If you don't like Apple that is fine with me, but at least be honest enough to hate them for the right reasons. This isn't the right reason.
You are absolutely correct that it is about the money. Nokia, Motorola, and RIM want to make sure that their design is chosen so that they can charge more for the new nano-SIM design. Thus, costing everyone involved, including the consumer more for each phone using the new standard. Apple makes so little money off of their licensing that they don't really care about licensing fees. They want the design that allows them the least hassle and the best industrial design for phones using the new nano-SIM standard.
The question that you need to ask yourself is why you are fighting for paying more just so Nokia, Motorola, and RIM can make some more money be weaponizing their IP portfolio? I would think that any reasonable consumer would be routing for the standard that would cost them the least amount of money.
The only logical conclusion that I can come up with for why you are routing against Apple's standard is that you simply have an irrational hatred of Apple (if this is the case you might want to seek professional help because that just isn't healthy) or you own a lot of stock in one of these companies (if this is the case you might want to seek professional help because owning their stock is likely not a good long term investment).
They said that if their design was chosen that they would make it freely available. As with other standards like this it is a binding agreement because if/when the standards body would choose that design Apple would have to sign away their rights. If they don't then the standards body is able to drop the design and choose another one. This isn't anything new or unheard of, it happens a lot and is basically the same thing that every company does when they make a patent FRAND. If it was only a company's word then there would be no legal basis for any of these cases or the EU's anti-competitive investigation.
This whole anti-Apple conspiracy would hold a lot more water if it weren't for one very important fact. Apple did not initially offer to void all licensing payments. Apple was more than willing to move along with the process as it typically goes with all interested parties getting to collect FRAND license payments on the selected design. Meaning that they were going to be paying more than they would be making on each and every nano-SIM.
This whole idea that they are proposing this so that they don't have to pay licensing is BS. They only proposed not collecting any licensing payments after the others claimed that Apple would abuse their patent licenses. These so called "good companies" that you are holding up by cutting down Apple are the ones that forced the "no licensing" issue by claiming that Apple would abuse their patents.
Which for the record is what Motorola is doing right this instance. Something that Apple, the company that you are vilifying, has never to my knowledge done. Apple may sue others, but they have never done so using any of their patents which are FRAND licensed. And they easily could. They own patents on standards relevant to every company that they are currently in battle with, but unlike those they are fighting they are not bringing out FRAND patents. Apple does a lot of questionable stuff, but this is not one thing that they have done.
But, hey, hating Apple is the cool thing to do now because they are the big, bad corporate devil. Right? Poor little Nokia, Motorola, and RIM aren't evil at all. They don't ever do anything dishonest or abusive, do they? So, they must be the better companies to give control of a new SIM standard to.
If you don't like Apple that is fine with me, but at least be honest enough to hate them for the right reasons. This isn't the right reason.
You are absolutely correct that it is about the money. Nokia, Motorola, and RIM want to make sure that their design is chosen so that they can charge more for the new nano-SIM design. Thus, costing everyone involved, including the consumer more for each phone using the new standard. Apple makes so little money off of their licensing that they don't really care about licensing fees. They want the design that allows them the least hassle and the best industrial design for phones using the new nano-SIM standard.
The question that you need to ask yourself is why you are fighting for paying more just so Nokia, Motorola, and RIM can make some more money be weaponizing their IP portfolio? I would think that any reasonable consumer would be routing for the standard that would cost them the least amount of money.
The only logical conclusion that I can come up with for why you are routing against Apple's standard is that you simply have an irrational hatred of Apple (if this is the case you might want to seek professional help because that just isn't healthy) or you own a lot of stock in one of these companies (if this is the case you might want to seek professional help because owning their stock is likely not a good long term investment).
Have you been reading all the complaints from Nokia. Apple didn't create this new nano design, it's a normal SIM card that has been cut down in size. Apple doesn't own the patent for the SIM card. Simply cutting down the size doesn't make it new technology. One thing is certain if Apple get's approval there is going to be a huge legal battle. We all complained that Samsung ripped off Apple for copying their designs. Well this lawsuit will make that look like a walk in the park, Apple just took a pair scissors and cut off the access board around a normal SIM card and slapped a patent on it, then is trying to convince people this is the best thing since sliced bread. No wonder why Apple is giving it away for free. Why do you think there is compatibility with older phones, it's the same damn SIM card we have been using for the last 10 years only smaller.
Sorry guys, this is one race I hope Apple get's their asses handed to them and I really don't care what any of you have to say about it. Here I'll start you off, what a troll!
Oh and Nokia, RIM nor Motorola haven't said they will charge for their patent. Traditionally any new SIM technology is opened sourced for all to use. You guys are just speculating that the others are in it to make money because Apple was the only who said they'll let you use it for free. Keyword being used instead of just giving it away, especially when it's a design as ridiculous as Apples Nano. Step one grab a Micro SIM, step two cut off any remainder board around the chip, tada their you go, you have a new design.
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