Judge affirms vital Apple touchscreen patent in case against Motorola - Page 3

Originally Posted by anantksundaram

That's a platitude. Of course they are.

The question is whether they have to pay to stay.

Originally Posted by F1Ferrari

I have a sneaking suspicion that many of the people who berate Apple would litigate like crazy if their own inventions were copied without permission. That charity feeling of 'they should all settle this' would drain from their bodies when their hard work, time, and money invested was making profits for their competition.

Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz

Maybe it was just a brain fart?

Originally Posted by TBell

True, but the specific implementation of how those things are used in Apple's devices was invented by Apple. There is more than one way to do something, and in most cases each way may be eligible for patent protection.

Further, when you take a whole bunch of things and put them together to make a single item, the arrangement of those small things might be eligible for patent, trademark, and possibly copyright protection.

Look no further than Coke's original bottle for an example of how that works. Other's created bottles to drink from before Coke. Yet, its bottle was protected by patent, copyright, and trademark law.

Originally Posted by hill60

That's just reality, Motorola are trying to become the ultimate patent trolls, their "reasonable" demand from Microsoft over H.264 patents amounts to $4 billion a year, Microsoft currently pays MPEG-LA $6.5 million a year if it wasn't capped it would be $60 million a year to license all the other essential patents in the pool.

Motorola is a money grubbing extortionist.

Originally Posted by TBell

True, but the specific implementation of how those things are used in Apple's devices was invented by Apple. There is more than one way to do something, and in most cases each way may be eligible for patent protection.

Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz

I don't believe that you are an attorney, due to the ignorant and sloppy writing displayed here.

I find it unlikely that an attorney would use the wrong word in this context. Maybe it was just a brain fart? But as of now, I call bullshit.

Originally Posted by Blitz1

Bottomline? Think before you claim anything

Originally Posted by Market_Player

Google flushed 12.5 Billion down the shitter.

I hope their shareholders crucify the board members for this totally inexcusable act of trying to purchase your way into innovation.

Originally Posted by Blitz1

Well, even you must surely know that what you're saying is pure BS.

1) The icon layout existed well before the iPhone was invented
2) The tablet existed well before the iPad was out
3) Every element taken together? I'm sorry, I was under the impression that every user had his own specific iDevice.
4) If you feel that all the elements taken together make it a unique device, then take the whole bunch in one patent.

Bottomline? Think before you claim anything

Originally Posted by tallest skil

says the random guy online to the actual attorney.

Originally Posted by stelligent

The Coke bottle is protected by a trademark? Really?

Originally Posted by Blitz1

Quite bizarre how this community reacts to patents: Apple patent? Apple should go all the way! Non-Apple patent? It's Frand or it's invalid or it's.... whatever. The Non-Apples should just be still and certainly not defend their efforts in inventing anything (because, anyway, they're not capable of inventing anything)

Originally Posted by Macky the Macky

Only an idiot would pay that kind of price for a company that has been losing money for years. Moto can't make a tablet that sells, nor can they make a smart phone that sells. Too bad. The new Razor looks good on paper and advertises well, but when people look at it and try it out, they go, "meh," give me something else.

Android and Motorola have been and will continue to be a drain on Google and Google's management attention. Watch the search engine revenue continue to drop...

Originally Posted by Relic

Hey, I like that to as I'm a nosy female but I will also always stand up for the little guy, it's just in my nature as a good person.

Originally Posted by stelligent

The Coke bottle is protected by a trademark? Really?

Originally Posted by Relic

Well I'm sure their not idiots. Motorola still has a top notch assembly line and have really creative people working for them. They are going threw a hard time right now but hopefully with the help of Google they can turn things around.

There was time on this board where Motorola could do no wrong, you remember the PowerPC era, G3, G4 especially. It's amazing how fast you guys turn on something when it involves Apple in a negative way. Apple is just a company like the rest, they don't care about you and if Apple had their way, forums like this wouldn't even exist.

Isn't Motorola an American company, don't they hire thousands of Americans, still manufacture their products in US borders. In this worlds financial crisis I think any company that is still standing and paying for peoples lively hoods deserve a little more respect then what there receiving here.

The patent system is flawed and is being used by company's to hinder the business of others. Everyone is doing it and everyone is at fault and it sucks and it is wrong. Yes I believe in protected property, but the things that past as patents nowadays is ridiculous. Case in point, Apples Nano SIM, it's a just a Micro SIM that has been cut down to make it smaller.

I'm still in the hospital and it's looking like I won't be leaving any times soon if at all, anyway that's not important. Looking around my room I see my heart monitor that has a Motorola badge on it, so did the respirator I was on and the tablet the nurses use. The company doesn't just make phones they build things to improve peoples lives even sustain them. What I'm trying to say is not every one is like Apple, Steve Jobs resurrected what was once a dying company to now the worlds most profitable. Good for them, as a owner of stock and computers I couldn't be happier. However other company's deserve the same recognition that Apple is getting, there will always be ups and downs, Apple will not be number 1 forever, history has shown that.

Motorola is still a good American company. I'm not even American an I appreciate them.

Look I understand a lot of you just think I'm a troll and that's understandable as I don't blindly worship Apple and support other systems and manufactures. I came to this forum to see what other people were doing with their macs and also to find cool new programs to play with. Instead what I found was some sort of high school clicky popularity contest to see who can say the best things about Apple and the worst things about everyone else.

Hey, I like that to as I'm a nosy female but I will also always stand up for the little guy, it's just in my nature as a good person. You can't become an international firm with billions of sales by being an idiot with crappy products, as the person who I am replying to suggests. I am not a plant, I am not a troll, I love most Apple products, however I will always try to find something good to say about the company that is being crucified at the moment. I am very sorry if you don't like that and if there isn't a place for someone like me here then just say the word and I'm gone.

Originally Posted by Macky the Macky

Only an idiot would pay that kind of price for a company that has been losing money for years. Moto can't make a tablet that sells, nor can they make a smart phone that sells. Too bad. The new Razor looks good on paper and advertises well, but when people look at it and try it out, they go, "meh," give me something else.

Android and Motorola have ben and will continue to be a drain on Google and Google's management attention. Watch the search engine revenue continue to drop...

Originally Posted by msantti

You left this out of your post:

"Posted from my Android phone".

Originally Posted by shompa

Dividend, stock buy back program, 5 month slip of iOS5, 2-3 month slip of SSD 2011 iMacs, no redesign of iPhone, iPad 3 with a subpar A5X SoC, iPad 3 with LTE that only works in America and many more examples.

Tim accepts non perfect products. Steve would never have done it.

Originally Posted by TBell

True, but the specific implementation of how those things are used in Apple's devices was invented by Apple. There is more than one way to do something, and in most cases each way may be eligible for patent protection.

Further, when you take a whole bunch of things and put them together to make a single item, the arrangement of those small things might be eligible for patent, trademark, and possibly copyright protection.

Look no further than Coke's original bottle for an example of how that works. Other's created bottles to drink from before Coke. Yet, its bottle was protected by patent, copyright, and trademark law.

Originally Posted by ltcompuser

As much as I like Apple's products, I don't think any are perfect. In most cases the benefits outweigh the negatives. One glaring example of imperfection was their mouses, before the Magic Mouse. That's the first Apple mouse I've been able to use.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Moto's products are lousy and so is their service. Derivative, undifferentiated junk (unless "fugly" counts as differentiation.)
There's a reason they needed a buyout. They were tanking.

Those who fail to re-invent their business end up as buyout-bait with nothing left but an old trove of patents,
most of which they try to wield around (or abuse) for FRAND licensing dollars. Like an old hooker way past her sell-by date.

I kinda feel sorry for Moto. That like Nokia, they've become this sad and pathetic in their old age.
There was a time when they made decent products and were able to respond to market forces (which to be fair, were moving along at a glacial pace anyway.)

Apple in 2007 and later in 2010 destroyed a lot of comfortable (but hopelessly dated) business strategies in the mobile sector.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

So if a dwarf pretended to be a psychic stealing people's money and then was on the run from the feds you'd stand up for the small medium at large?

Originally Posted by DrDoppio

Well, in light of the claims that the recently upheld patent is "vital", Mr Job's apparent desire to destroy Android, and all the talk about thermonuclear war on Android, it is hardly a platitude to claim that Android will survive unaffected.

Even the fact that patents may lead only to royalties and not product bans has been suggested to pose a threat on the survival of Android, since making the OS too expensive will drive down the profits of the manufacturers and they may opt for WP instead.

In the end, I think it is non-trivial to suggest that the effect of this particular patent on end consumers will be as insignificant as those of the previous patents that caused features in Android to be reworked.

Originally Posted by GTR

I just know you've had that little gem tucked away just waiting for the right time to unleash it.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

So the "little guy" is automatically in the right and the "big guy" is automatically in the wrong? And you don't see a problem with that mindset or your lack of objectivity? So if a dwarf pretended to be a psychic stealing people's money and then was on the run from the feds you'd stand up for the small medium at large?

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

So the "little guy" is automatically in the right and the "big guy" is automatically in the wrong? And you don't see a problem with that mindset or your lack of objectivity? So if a dwarf pretended to be a psychic stealing people's money and then was on the run from the feds you'd stand up for the small medium at large?

Originally Posted by Relic

Well I'm sure their not idiots. Motorola still has a top notch assembly line and have really creative people working for them. They are going threw a hard time right now but hopefully with the help of Google they can turn things around.

There was time on this board where Motorola could do no wrong, you remember the PowerPC era, G3, G4 especially. It's amazing how fast you guys turn on something when it involves Apple in a negative way. Apple is just a company like the rest, they don't care about you and if Apple had their way, forums like this wouldn't even exist.

Isn't Motorola an American company, don't they hire thousands of Americans, still manufacture their products in US borders. In this worlds financial crisis I think any company that is still standing and paying for peoples lively hoods deserve a little more respect then what there receiving here.

The patent system is flawed and is being used by company's to hinder the business of others. Everyone is doing it and everyone is at fault and it sucks and it is wrong. Yes I believe in protected property, but the things that past as patents nowadays is ridiculous. Case in point, Apples Nano SIM, it's a just a Micro SIM that has been cut down to make it smaller.

I'm still in the hospital and it's looking like I won't be leaving any times soon if at all, anyway that's not important. Looking around my room I see my heart monitor that has a Motorola badge on it, so did the respirator I was on and the tablet the nurses use. The company doesn't just make phones they build things to improve peoples lives even sustain them. What I'm trying to say is not every one is like Apple, Steve Jobs resurrected what was once a dying company to now the worlds most profitable. Good for them, as a owner of stock and computers I couldn't be happier. However other company's deserve the same recognition that Apple is getting, there will always be ups and downs, Apple will not be number 1 forever, history has shown that.

Motorola is still a good American company. I'm not even American an I appreciate them.

Look I understand a lot of you just think I'm a troll and that's understandable as I don't blindly worship Apple and support other systems and manufactures. I came to this forum to see what other people were doing with their macs and also to find cool new programs to play with. Instead what I found was some sort of high school clicky popularity contest to see who can say the best things about Apple and the worst things about everyone else.

Hey, I like that to as I'm a nosy female but I will also always stand up for the little guy, it's just in my nature as a good person. You can't become an international firm with billions of sales by being an idiot with crappy products, as the person who I am replying to suggests. I am not a plant, I am not a troll, I love most Apple products, however I will always try to find something good to say about the company that is being crucified at the moment. I am very sorry if you don't like that and if there isn't a place for someone like me here then just say the word and I'm gone.

Originally Posted by Relic

It was strange though, it runs this shell that I guess sits on top of Android that is only for hospital business. Quite a cool piece of technology, I had no idea Motorola had such medical systems. It's connected to the entire hospital database where a doctor and nurse can pull up information on any patient instantly, manipulate the prescriptions, change patient needs and every doctor has to sign off using a digitized pen that is also a normal pen. The girl who asks what I want for dinner even uses one, really neat stuff. This is the kind of things that excites me.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

So the "little guy" is automatically in the right and the "big guy" is automatically in the wrong? And you don't see a problem with that mindset or your lack of objectivity? So if a dwarf pretended to be a psychic stealing people's money and then was on the run from the feds you'd stand up for the small medium at large?

Originally Posted by Apple ][

That sounds like a real shitty hospital.

I would refuse to be admitted into a hospital that was using a Xoom tablet. The iPad is so far ahead of anything else when it comes to health applications.

What would be a hospital's motivation for choosing a Xoom tablet? Are they ignorant? Are they Fandroids? Either way, their reasons or excuses does not bode well for them.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

Is that a joke about the Height challenged? Length challenged?

Me... I've always been a fan of the overdog!

Originally Posted by GTR

I disagree with many of your points, as any small amount of research on the companies involved will disprove them. However, I am beginning to understand your 'trolling' as perhaps a misguided attempt to do the right thing and support the underdog (which is definitely not always a good thing).

However, I, and I'm sure many other AppleInsider members, hope that whatever issue it is that afflicts you and has you in hospital is resolved, and that you get well soon.

Originally Posted by GTR

It's probably a public hospital. With all the bundled budget constraints.

Originally Posted by Relic

Oh gosh not at all, I just don't support every company willy nilly. Just those that deserve a little more respect then,"they suck", "Apple will kick their ass". Motorola is a good company though. After playing with my nurses Xoom 2 I never realized there were other tablets with such good build quality. It's really quite good actually, it even supports a active digitized pen.

On a more personal note, your not a very nice person are you. At least to those who don't agree with Apple all the time. I think you need a hug.

Originally Posted by Apple ][

I would refuse to be admitted into a hospital that was using a Xoom tablet. The iPad is so far ahead of anything else when it comes to health applications.

Originally Posted by Apple ][

That sounds like a real shitty hospital.

I would refuse to be admitted into a hospital that was using a Xoom tablet. The iPad is so far ahead of anything else when it comes to health applications.

What would be a hospital's motivation for choosing a Xoom tablet? Are they ignorant? Are they Fandroids? Either way, their reasons or excuses does not bode well for them.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX

Human communication is imperfect so it's up to the writer to be as clear as possible when addressing a particular audience. You saying that you always stand up for the little guy and then saying that you don't isn't just you lacking objectivity, but not thinking about what you are writing.

If you're wondering why you think you're being "attacked" on these forums it's because there are a lot of intelligent people here who don't readily suffer foolishness or bullshit.

Try being objective. Try being clear. Try looking your argument from the point of the reader and do some research to back up your arguments.


It's odd that you make personal attacks toward me and others but then get upset when I and others take positions against your comments.

Originally Posted by Relic

Um you do know that Motorola has a very large medical division right, It's not only the hardware but the custom software behind it. I'm sure Apple is making a lot of headway in introducing there tablets to medicine and that's great especially in high quality images for xrays . Motorola on the other hand has been doing this for a few decades and has many other medical devices besides just a tablet. Their monitoring systems are world class and deliver real time stats to the doctor, there is also a custom system that sits on top of that Xoom 2. Apple doesn't do that yet, there are third party software company's that do it but you know who is on top of that list, maybe in the future Apple will provide custom solutions for hospitals. A big reason why the Motorola added a digitized pen to the Xoom 2 is so doctors and other professionals can sign off on things.

I don't understand why Apple has to be the choice for every piece of tech for every industry. When Apple has a respirator like Motorola which kept me alive for 4 days while I couldn't breathe on my own then I'll start thinking like you, until then Apple can't and doesn't do everything. It doesn't matter how much I love Apple products.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

@Relic

I am with Sol here...

Several times (even today) I have considered putting you on my ignore list (along with gator/zather) -- because most of your posts are a rambling pro-everything-but-Apple whinge.

IMO, this kind of stuff doesn't contribute to the discussion here!

I do realize that you are living in confined circumstances and receiving medications including morphine -- that could be partially responsible...

I think that when you make well-considered posts -- most regulars, here, will respond in kind!


P.S. I have retained SolipsismX as my official hugger...