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post #41 of 94
All I can say is that this story more than likely proves that the iMac will get a LCD screen, and look very sharp.

I wonder if the G5 will be coming out....
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post #42 of 94
Hi, smaller screen??? I hope you're joking or I'll have to come over there and slap you in the head. 15" is small enough.
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<a href="http://appleturns.com/" target="_blank">As the Apple Turns</a> has weighed in:

[quote]It sure looks like this whole Quanta spiel snaps together pretty well with the buzz in the rumor mill, as well as with what some little birds have been singing around the AtAT compound for the past week or so: namely, that the long-awaited LCD iMacs are absitively posolutely going to surface at the shindig in January.<hr></blockquote>

Based on their track record with little birds, things written onto the dust on their car, and vegan entrail substitutes, it looks like we have a winner: 15" LCD iMacs at MWSF.
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post #44 of 94
Now all that remains is for Apple (1)to bump the resolution on all their LCD's

15" 1280x1024
17" 1440x1080
22" 1920x1200

Much better and smoother for OSX, just look how nice the iBook screen is.

(2)Intro 'gigawire' as discussed previously

(3)Eventually make iMacs out of the bigger LCD's aswell. They could do a 17" version right away for about 300 more than the 15". I think a lot of people would buy one.
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Now all that remains is for Apple (1)to bump the resolution on all their LCD's

15" 1280x1024
17" 1440x1080
22" 1920x1200

Much better and smoother for OSX, just look how nice the iBook screen is.

(2)Intro 'gigawire' as discussed previously

(3)Eventually make iMacs out of the bigger LCD's aswell. They could do a 17" version right away for about 300 more than the 15". I think a lot of people would buy one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Possibly, but I think the introduction of the 15" will be plenty for this time around. A 17" or even 22" right now just doesn't make sense. Hit the street hard with the LCD iMac, then later on make it into larger screens (like maybe after a year).
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post #46 of 94
yep, I don't think they'll do it right away, but it's promising that it'd probably be a whole lot easier to do with LCD's. Let's hope we get 17" models in 2003.
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post #47 of 94
GREAT! The LCD iMac is not even available and we are already bitching about the screen size needing to be bigger!
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post #48 of 94
we need to get warmed up for the next 18 months of rumors.
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post #49 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Hi, smaller screen??? I hope you're joking or I'll have to come over there and slap you in the head. 15" is small enough.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, smaller screen. The current iMac's screen is way too big H x W not to mention D, to fit in tight spaces. It's have to be 12" or smaller. Preferably 10" for me. Vertical orientation is preferred - creates smaller footprint than horizontal orientation.

Not kidding.
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post #50 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by NeoMac:
<strong>GREAT! The LCD iMac is not even available and we are already bitching about the screen size needing to be bigger! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course, that's how it always is here.
post #51 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by JRC:
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Yes, smaller screen. The current iMac's screen is way too big H x W not to mention D, to fit in tight spaces. It's have to be 12" or smaller. Preferably 10" for me. Vertical orientation is preferred - creates smaller footprint than horizontal orientation.

Not kidding.</strong><hr></blockquote>

WTF?????????? It is the case that is problem, kiddo. I have one, I know. Is the iBook to big for you too?
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post #52 of 94
If you mean the overall bulk of the CRT you may be exempted from a beating (but only just). However, with an LCD the new iMac will be plenty small. It'll have practically zero footprint. I don't want to squint, I want a screen I can keep at a comfortable ditance from my eyes. 12" is fine for a laptop because the screen is close to you (on your lap) and even on a desk. You make some sacrifices for portability, which, when one thinks in terms of portability, are really advantages. But to do that to a machine that doesn't travel, would be to create an internet appliance. Apple should never do that. Can you name one successful attempt? Audrey? That Sony eVilla thing? All crap. When the iMac came out, it was a suitable machine but has aged since. Apple has enough problems with PPC, Mhz, updated designs, without knowingly handicapping a machine from the outset. A 12" screen would be the death of the iMac.
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post #53 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Now all that remains is for Apple (1)to bump the resolution on all their LCD's

15" 1280x1024
17" 1440x1080
22" 1920x1200

</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's also the "news" (rumor? supposition? hard fact?) posted by RailHead that there will be a new LCD monitor - a 19" size - introduced soon and the EOL of the 15" monitor. (The 17" and the 22" cinema display will continue to be produced.)
post #54 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by LudwigVan:
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There's also the "news" (rumor? supposition? hard fact?) posted by RailHead that there will be a new LCD monitor - a 19" size - introduced soon and the EOL of the 15" monitor. (The 17" and the 22" cinema display will continue to be produced.)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Even if they added a 19" I think they should keep the 15" and lower the price a drop more.
post #55 of 94
I don't think it'll happen, but it'd be nice if each of the current displays came down a bit in price. Apple sells the 15" at $929 Canadian. Without trying, I can find an NEC 15" for $599 Canadian, and if I want to risk it at a small retailer, I can get it for $549. I can nearly buy two NEC'c for the price of the Apple. Now you don't get ADC, but ADC isn't worth that much. No, a price drop of about $150 US (or 225 Canadian) is in order. That would bring the US price to about 449-459 and the Canadian price to about 699-729. Still more expensive than the competition, but an acceptable premium given the design, quality, and ADC connection.

The 22 is actually very competitive with other large panels, and the 17 isn't too bad, but could stand to drop about 100 US to 899 (just like the Formac unit).
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post #56 of 94
um, are people forgetting that a 15 inch crt is around 13.3 inches, while a 15 inch LCD is 15 inches?

we are getting a bigger moniter, by almost two inches. that's great. stop your bitching.
post #57 of 94
This is unlikely, but here is the iMac I want to see:

Two basic form factors:

15" LCD iMac
17" LCD iMac

Depending on the design, this could be very easy to do, compared to having different sized CRTs. If the display is simply mounted on a base unit containing the internals, then theoretically Apple could snap on any sized display and it wouldn't jack up production costs. So 15" for schools, grannys, and soccer moms, and 17" for computer enthusiasts. Pricing should be no higher than $1600. Something like:

15" 999-1299
17" 1399-1599

This pricing is possible for sure...Apple gets LCD displays cheap, and if they design the iMac to have low manufacturing costs then this could be done. I wouldn't pay more than $1600 for an LCD iMac however, because for about $2000 I can get a PMG4 w/15" LCD display as a student.

Graphics support:
A real AGP slot would be wonderful, but it's not going to happen. BTO options also are not practical, because they drive up manufacturing costs. So what Apple should do, IMHO, is offer the 15" and 17" with a good, midrange video chipset, like the Radeon or GF2MX. Then, offer a Gamer's edition (but Apple would call it the Maya edition or Graphics pro edition--never the gamer's mac). The gaming iMac would be the 17" LCD with a GeForce 3, and it would sell for a premium price at around $1700.

17" LCD w/GF3
$1700

People would pay this price for a high end video card and a bitching 17" LCD from Apple....I know I would. It would be a tremendous iMac.

Finally, the other internals:

CPU: Please Apple, PLEASE! slip an Apollo G4 in the new iMac!

IF the G5 Powermacs become reality, then the iMac may get the Apollo G4. So the desktops would go something like:

PMG5: 1.2, 14. 1.6
iMacG4: 1 GHz.

To save manufacturing costs, Apple should use only two different Mobos for the iMac: All of them with 1 GHz G4, and then the gamer edition with a GF3.
It is also possible that the iMac gets the G3, but then when PMG5s are introduced at MWNY, the iMac moves to the G4. It is crucial that the iMac get altivec, so that Apple's altivec user base grows in size. Apple has invested too much in Altivec to use it only in a minority of Macs sold...they must use it in consumer lines to give developer's incentive to code for it. The more Apps that support Altivec, the less MHz matter, and by word of mouth people WILL learn that Macs are fast for their MHz ratings. For word of mouth to work, the iMacs need Altivec.

Another sign that the new iMacs might get Altivec is that AppleInsider guessed that they would get G3s. Since AI is normally wrong, this is more evidence that an Apollo iMac is coming soon.

For optical media drives, same old...base different models by drive and not CPU.

Give all of the iMacs lots of RAM:

Low end 999 iMac: 128 MB RAM
All others: 256 MB RAM.

In reality, I don't believe we will see iMacs like the ones I just descibed, nevertheless I think that if Apple made these they would sell like mad. The only problem with my iMac dream here is the price of the 17" LCD iMac...Apple might not sqeeze out good margins with it. Buy we can dream!
post #58 of 94
[quote]um, are people forgetting that a 15 inch crt is around 13.3 inches, while a 15 inch LCD is 15 inches?

we are getting a bigger moniter, by almost two inches. that's great. stop your bitching. <hr></blockquote>

Why don't you stop bitching about people who like larger displays?

Some of us enjoy the luxuries of a large display area. The iMac needs as large of a display as possible if it's going to be a hit. Nobody skips the iMac because it's display is too big, they forego the iMac because it's display is so awfully small! So get a clue and understand why we want larger displays.

Also, a 15" LCD is NOT 2" bigger than the current display. The current display is 13.8 viewable, so 15-13.8=1.2" 1.2" is not even close to 2".

If you're going to bitch about other posters, at least try to get your facts straight.
post #59 of 94
Well, there is a certain quid-pro-quo regarding monitor sizes, their price and how cumbersome they are. Let's be a tad realistic, shall we?
post #60 of 94
LOL, JD, you are bitchin' dude, great post.

[quote]Another sign that the new iMacs might get Altivec is that AppleInsider guessed that they would get G3s. Since AI is normally wrong, this is more evidence that an Apollo iMac is coming soon <hr></blockquote>

ROTFL.

[quote] Give all of the iMacs lots of RAM: <hr></blockquote>

Good Idea.

I don't see a 17" iMac coming because some of the models you describe get to close to bottom end PM specs...

Though, that may change if G5's show up. Now you have a whole different distinction in terms of processor.
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post #61 of 94
my guesses on specs

733 Mhz G4
133 Mhz Bus
4X AGP with nVidia geforce 2 MX 16 MB
256 MB RAM
60GB HD
15.1 inch LCD (1024 x 768)
Combo slot loading drive
$1299

$1499 model has Superdrive
post #62 of 94
Those are very realistic specs, Applenut. However, I think if they do get a G4, it will be faster than 733 MHz. Usually the iMac tops out around the low end of the powermac line. So I'd guess that the iMac will be closer to 1 GHz, because the new low end powermac will be at least 867 MHz, probably more. However the 133 MHz bus is probably exactly what the iMac will have.

Also, based on rumor, Steve Jobs reportedly said that Apple will throw some sort of GHz party for it's employees since all desktops are going to be 1 GHz or more. I forget where I read that so I don't have a link. I know it's probably BS, but it sounds good!

What keeps me wondering is that the original iMac had specs that were very close to the B&W powermacs...in fact the iMac had the same G3 processor back when the G3 was a new chip. So it seems odd that Apple would release a G3 iMac now, with the G4 being towards the end of it's development cycle. The i
post #63 of 94
I think if Apple decides to throw in a G4 (based on what they do with their professional line), they're bound to use a 933 MHZ processor.
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post #64 of 94
What happened to all the "Gigahertz coming out party" ? I think the iMac will be as close to 1ghz as possible.
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post #65 of 94
LOL, great comment about AI, JD.

When AI said the iMacs were going to get G4s, they got G3s, so now since they're saying the iMac is gonna get a G3, it'll probably get an Apollo G4.

I would guess around 867 MHz, or if Jobs' quote is correct, 1 GHz, with SuperDrive on the $1499 model. This would kick some major ass.
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post #66 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by JRC:
<strong>I'd like a SMALLER LCD screen. Small footprint. Put in more places than an iMac of today.</strong><hr></blockquote>

buy an iBook.

no one else wants what you want
post #67 of 94
JYD,

It wouldn't even have to house the electronics in a 'base', they could be on a 'back' that encloses the rear of the machine. We're only talking about 2 extra inches of bezel around the screen. They make both enclosures exactly the same size, the 15.1" just has a 1" thicker border all the way around the front bezel. Easy. Everything is exactly the same for most of the case, they just snap a different bezel/screen combo on th efront.
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[quote] It wouldn't even have to house the electronics in a 'base', they could be on a 'back' that encloses the rear of the machine. We're only talking about 2 extra inches of bezel around the screen. They make both enclosures exactly the same size, the 15.1" just has a 1" thicker border all the way around the front bezel. Easy. Everything is exactly the same for most of the case, they just snap a different bezel/screen combo on th efront.<hr></blockquote>

Matsu, I bet that would work fine, too. Plus it would serve as a nice reminder to all the 15" iMac owners that a 17" version is available if they can pony up the cash As long as it's easy to manufacture, then Apple doesn't have to invest much in having different display sizes--with the added bonus that Apple could discontinue a size very quickly and without much cost in the event that one of the sizes is selling poorly.

I do think that if the display was modular, it would present fewer problems with inventory and such. But if the new macs are just a thick LCD enclosure, then
post #69 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>my guesses on specs

733 Mhz G4
133 Mhz Bus
4X AGP with nVidia geforce 2 MX 16 MB
256 MB RAM
60GB HD
15.1 inch LCD (1024 x 768)
Combo slot loading drive
$1299

$1499 model has Superdrive</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sounds good. Maybe a little faster G4 though.
post #70 of 94
yea, the G4 could be faster.

I but I'd rather predict low and get high than predict high and get low
post #71 of 94
These all sound great, but I don't know. I think we're hoping unrealistically for stuff that ain't gonna all happen and then we're going to be pissed, come MWSF.

I can definitely see an LCD iMac. I can see a very high MHz G3 iMac. I can see a Combo Drive-equipped new iMac (gee, about ****ing time...) and I can CERTAINLY see a more substantial, up-to-date video card.

But the high-ass G4 talk (800MHz-plus? Are you kidding me?) AND a SuperDrive?

THIS January's MWSF? The one in about 30 days?

Mmmm...no.



But, like 'nut said, better to expect low and get high, so...

I'll be completely shocked (albeit pleasantly so) if this new iMac gets a G4. And I'll eat an elephant turd if it gets the G4 AND a SuperDrive.



(P.S. - Just kidding about that whole elephant thing...)
post #72 of 94
I think that if Apple charged what they should for the Superdrive right now then it would definately be possibl to have it in an iMac.
post #73 of 94
What apple should do is drop the imac altogether! The line is played out! It dosen't sell anymore! Why beat a dead horse? An LCD imac is not going to be a big deal! Apples problem is that they can't expand beyond their user base. Not wasteing money on a new imac model right now would be a good idea! Remember the cube! An LCD imac would go the way of the cube! Put money into advertiseing and try to expand beyond their pathetic 3% market share! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

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[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>What apple should do is drop the imac altogether! The line is played out! It dosen't sell anymore! Why beat a dead horse? An LCD imac is not going to be a big deal! Apples problem is that they can't expand beyond their user base. Not wasteing money on a new imac model right now would be a good idea! Remember the cube! An LCD imac would go the way of the cube! Put money into advertiseing and try to expand beyond their pathetic 3% market share! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[ 12-09-2001: Message edited by: rbald ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't agree at all. I think a new iMac would be great for Apple, as long as it has decent/good specs and a good price. The iMac converted many PC users back in '98 and '99, why won't a totally new iMac do it again?
post #75 of 94
Yes.

I've been saying all along (for a good two years now...check the archives) that if Apple EVER gets around to addressing the shortcomings of the iMac and does so in a striking, well-designed way, then it will indeed be 1999-2000 all over again.

1. The 15" LCD (or even a 17" CRT) with a native resolution of 1024x768 is essential. The 15" CRT and the whole 800x600 thing was long in the tooth 1-2 years ago...now, it's positively a deal-killer for many.

I personally know six people who WON'T buy an iMac right now because of this one issue alone.

2. Then there's the video card thing. Gotta be something that can handle the games well. Personally, I don't give two damns about gaming, but tons of other people do and they're being left out of the party. Since most of them aren't going to opt for a high-end G4 AND a monitor, just for gaming, they're not even considering a Mac and are going to PCs or actual gaming consoles.

3. The combo drive is such a cool thing and hangs together with the whole "clean and simple" vibe of the iMac. One drive, many uses. I'm going to be completely pissed off if the DVD/CD-R combo drive is NOT on this new iMac, at least as an option.

4. Whether it comes with a G3 or G4 probably, in all honesty, doesn't matter THAT much to the iMac's target audience (although for guys like me who ARE doing more on an iMac than surfing and e-mail, I certainly wouldn't squawk at a G4-based all-in-one), but it just has to be speedy and powerful enough to look good and do the job.

I guess, if going by past history, the new iMac might have an 800MHz G3 (they seem to be bumping them up 100MHz at a time with each revision). But who knows...a big surprise jump of 200MHz-plus might be in the wings, to finally get to that elusive and oh-so-important GHz barrier.

5. The pricing. The iMac, in its current form and specs, is horribly overpriced, in my opinion. I don't blame people for looking at it and its specs (MHz, screen size, video card, etc.) and then looking at a PC in the same price range and seeing HOW MUCH MORE they're getting!

THAT'S the thing Apple has to address and fight. If Apple, by opening up all these retail stores and so forth, is truly wanting to expand their marketshare and all, they can't always be the exclusive, nichey "boutique" computer.

Something is going to have to give somewhere because most people who AREN'T diehard Mac users and Apple loyalists are NOT going to consider things like the OS (X or otherwise), ease-of-use, cool stuff like iTunes and all. Instead, they look at the MHz (they shouldn't , but we all know they do), screen size, etc. to make their decisions.

And in this arena, Apple is getting trampled.

Like I said, I know several people who feel as though the iMac in its current state is a piss-poor value and too underpowered and small (screen wise) for the money.

I've convinced a couple of them (who weren't in a "gotta have something now" hurry) to wait a bit and see if this much-rumored new iMac DOES make its debut within the next 1-2 months.

Hopefully, they'll be rewarded with their patience and feel better about sinking $1299 or so into an iMac that justifies the price...because right now, they don't.

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post #76 of 94
Great post, pscates. I think that finally Apple will be addressing those issues and the iMac will actually sell good again.
post #77 of 94
I totally agree Eman. I think we'll see a huge success, like the iBook back in May.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
[QB]This is unlikely, but here is the iMac I want to see:

Give all of the iMacs lots of RAM:

Low end 999 iMac: 128 MB RAM
All others: 256 MB RAM.

Uh...this is the amount of RAM that *current* iMacs have. I doubt Apple will do it, but we ought to see double these.
post #79 of 94
[quote]Originally posted by grombat:
<strong>[QUOTE]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
[QB]This is unlikely, but here is the iMac I want to see:

Give all of the iMacs lots of RAM:

Low end 999 iMac: 128 MB RAM
All others: 256 MB RAM.

Uh...this is the amount of RAM that *current* iMacs have. I doubt Apple will do it, but we ought to see double these.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I also doubt it. It'd be so un-Apple like to give us more RAM.
post #80 of 94
Ok, wasn't the Apollo rumored to be for the portables? Why, because of it's size and heat dissipation as well as speed?

Question- Wouldn't that be the perfect chip for a new iMac?
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