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While Apple's iPhone 4S remains the top selling smartphone across every US carrier that offers it, Samsung is working hard to expand sales and oust its Android rivals from second place.

Across the past four months, Samsung's Galaxy S II has established itself as the second most popular model at AT&T and Sprint, and the most popular phone at T-Mobile, which does not carry Apple's iPhone line.

At Verizon, the company's Galaxy Nexus, cobranded by Google, was ousted for second place by Motorola's cheaper RAZR/RAZR Maxx. HTC took the runner up spots on T-Mobile, while Nokia's Windows Phone 7 Lumia 710 model briefly appeared as T-Mobile's third favorite in January and February. It has since fallen out of the top three at that carrier, replace by the Galaxy S Blaze.




In a note obtained by AppleInsider, Canaccord Genuity technology analyst Michael Walkley wrote, "we believe iPhones are outselling all other smartphones combined at Sprint and AT&T and selling at roughly equal volume to all Android smartphones at Verizon," adding that Apple and Samsung "continued to consolidate share with sales rebounding after a slow start to 2012."

Walkley wrote, "our global checks also indicated another quarter of strong market share gains for Samsung, particularly in Europe and Asia. In fact, we believe Samsung’s strong smartphone portfolio across all price tiers will result in Samsung’s smartphone shipments increasing a remarkable 15%-plus sequentially during the seasonally weak March quarter.”

Samsung’s broad range of SKUs and price points "has resulted in share gains within the growing pre-paid smartphone market," the analyst said, noting that in the first quarter, Samsung shipped an estimated 28.2 percent of all smartphones while Apple's iPhone made up 22.4 percent of sales.

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Well, Moto's nosediving (has been for well over a year) and HTC can't seem to get a decent phone out despite re-hashing and re-naming of the same lousy phone.

At least Samsung is trying to follow Apple's business model as closely as possible - the unfortunate consequence of which is that they can't help but copy nearly everything - from phone design, right down to the packaging and even TV ads.

But whatever. Android is a godawful mess anyway.
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Very impressive, their latest, greatest phone managed to displace Apple's 2 year old iPhone 4 and 3 year old iPhone 3GS from the second and third spots.
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Very impressive, their latest, greatest phone managed to displace Apple's 2 year old iPhone 4 and 3 year old iPhone 3GS from the second and third spots.

So much for buyers going with Android only 'cause they're cheap.
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Very impressive, their latest, greatest phone managed to displace Apple's 2 year old iPhone 4 and 3 year old iPhone 3GS from the second and third spots.

I do think the Samsung Galaxy Note being the 3rd most popular device on AT&T in March 2012 is impressive. That device has legs much in the same way Apple's iPhone has shown to increase in unit sales in subsequent quarters. It's hard to imagine that people put that 5" device up to their head for a phone call, but perhaps they are using it with headphones or a BT earpiece.

Maybe there is a very real market for a 5" device after all, the Dell Streak not withstanding.

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So much for buyers going with Android only 'cause they're cheap.

The S2 is the same price as the iPhone 4 on AT&T....
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So much for buyers going with Android only 'cause they're cheap.

This doesn't prove that they aren't. It just proves that they aren't in the US on the major carriers for particular models. If we say that does prove it then it would also prove that the iPhone 4S sells more than all Android phones... but we know that isn't even close to being true.

We know that Android OS is sold on an unfathomable number of devices worldwide and that most of them are cheap. We know that the US has plenty of MVNOs that sell a lot of cheap Android-based devices because they can't get deal with vendors for the premium models. We also know that MNOs have many more models of the cheap devices than they do of the flagship devices. Do those free with contract devices add up to more units than the $199+ devices?

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So much for buyers going with Android only 'cause they're cheap.

SOME Android phones were cheap. That doesn't mean that they all are (nor did anyone ever make that claim AFAIK). In fact, some Android phones cost more than the iPhone.

Sadly, some Android purchasers used upgradeability as their justification. Let's see how that works out:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/02/sony_ics/
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SOME Android phones were cheap. That doesn't mean that they all are (nor did anyone ever make that claim AFAIK). In fact, some Android phones cost more than the iPhone.

Sadly, some Android purchasers used upgradeability as their justification. Let's see how that works out:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/02/sony_ics/

I paid $49 more for my Gallaxy S2 LTE than I would have for an iPhone 4S. Worth every extra penny.
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This doesn't prove that they aren't. It just proves that they aren't in the US on the major carriers for particular models. If we say that does prove it then it would also prove that the iPhone 4S sells more than all Android phones... but we know that isn't even close to being true.

We know that Android OS is sold on an unfathomable number of devices worldwide and that most of them are cheap. We know that the US has plenty of MVNOs that sell a lot of cheap Android-based devices because they can't get deal with vendors for the premium models. We also know that MNOs have many more models of the cheap devices than they do of the flagship devices. Do those free with contract devices add up to more units than the $199+ devices?

I kinda got lost in everything there, but the point I was trying to get across is the best selling Android phones according to this article are also among the most expensive. The S2 is hardly a new phone either having launched in the Spring last year. Not Apple-like desirability, but not too shabby either for a pretender.
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The S2 is hardly a new phone either having launched in the Spring last year. Not Apple-like desirability, but not too shabby either for a pretender.

You have to go by the release date for the carrier. Assuming the S II reference doesn't mean or include the Skyrocket version then the release date was October 2011, 2 weeks before the 4S hit shelves.

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So much for buyers going with Android only 'cause they're cheap.

How cheap is the Galaxy SII?

Just asking.


Oh I see Hellacool has already answered that question. So don't bother.
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You have to go by the release date for the carrier.

Why? Does that mean it's a newer design?

Just kidding Solip, no need to answer. It's still an older model no matter if it's "newer" to ATT. We both get a point.
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So much for buyers going with Android only 'cause they're cheap.

One or two Android models are top sellers.... but don't forget all those other cheaper phones that make up the rest of the Android lineup.

Do you think every one of those 850,000 Android activations a day worldwide are premium phones?

No.
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It's hard to imagine that people put that 5" device up to their head for a phone call, but perhaps they are using it with headphones or a BT earpiece.

Maybe there is a very real market for a 5" device after all, the Dell Streak not withstanding.

I saw one at BestBuy and started laughing at the thought of using it as a phone, but then...
When the iPhone came out it felt like a large flat thing - not at all like a phone, so to a degree it is cultural. I also think a lot of people use their devices differently. The phone element is just one of many features and often not the one most used. The size of the screen is nice and the device does slip into your pocket, not necessarily the front pocket of your jeans, but it is definitely a pocket device. So yeah... I think there is a market for a 5" device and I think it will only grow.
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Samsung's Galaxy S II is as close to a iPhone as a person can get without actually owning one. A phone without the ecosystem is just a phone.
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Samsung's Galaxy S II is as close to a iPhone as a person can get without actually owning one. A phone without the ecosystem is just a phone.

Android has an ecosystem... but I guess that's like saying that a swamp has land. Technically true, but most don't seek to live there.

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I paid $49 more for my Gallaxy S2 LTE than I would have for an iPhone 4S. Worth every extra penny.

Barnam proved right once again.
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Maybe there is a very real market for a 5" device after all, the Dell Streak not withstanding.

Fat people like the 5" phone because it makes them look thin in comparison.
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Android has an ecosystem... but I guess that's like saying that a swamp has land. Technically true, but most don't seek to live there.

Do you think people buy Android phones hoping for Renaissance-era Venice instead of the more realistic immediately post-Hurricane Katrina New Orleans?
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One or two Android models are top sellers.... but don't forget all those other cheaper phones that make up the rest of the Android lineup.

Do you think every one of those 850,000 Android activations a day worldwide are premium phones?

No.

Why would I or anyone else think that. It's a silly idea. Is every iPhone sold a 4S? Of course not.
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How cheap is the Galaxy SII?

Just asking.


Oh I see Hellacool has already answered that question. So don't bother.

Currently, Samsung Galaxy S II is priced at $99 with a two year contract on AT&T while the iPhone 4S 16 GB is priced at $199 with a two year contract.
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I paid $49 more for my Gallaxy S2 LTE than I would have for an iPhone 4S. Worth every extra penny.

Unusual strategy. I typically refuse to pay more for an inferior product.
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Do you think people buy Android phones hoping for Renaissance-era Venice instead of the more realistic immediately post-Hurricane Katrina New Orleans?

LOL

Off topic: Venice made me sick. The waterways are not clean and I have respiratory issues. The rest of Italy was a lot of fun.


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Why would I or anyone else think that. It's a silly idea. Is every iPhone sold a 4S? Of course not.

No, but the most commonly sold phone running iOS throughout the world is the 4S and by a large margin. We can deduce this because of the ARP in Apple's quarterly reports.

Can we infer that the Galaxy S II running v4.x and only accounting for less than 2% of the models means that it's not the most commonly sold Android-based device model? No, all we can say is that devices capable of running ICS are low volume Android-based devices compared to devices running v2.x.

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Unusual strategy. I typically refuse to pay more for an inferior product.

I see what you did there, fortunately for me, I prefer to develop my own opinion about products, not rely on other people, form opinions based on others opinions and possibly miss out on a good product. Worked out for me because this phone is top notch.
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I look at it this way. If I, as an avid apple fan, can switch to android, many others are probably doing the same. I love iOS but I just could not put up with such a small screen anymore. The one-size-fits-all is not the best strategy for apple anymore, in my opinion. I pick the galaxy note for this very reason and keep my 4s as an iPod. However, I do wish I could install iOS on it, as android is still a little buggy on lower end devices. It runs pretty good on the Note and the likes. I hope they come out with a bigger phone than 3.5 inches.
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Currently, Samsung Galaxy S II is priced at $99 with a two year contract on AT&T while the iPhone 4S 16 GB is priced at $199 with a two year contract.

The Skyrocket is a different animal than the SII.
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I saw one at BestBuy and started laughing at the thought of using it as a phone, but then...
When the iPhone came out it felt like a large flat thing - not at all like a phone, so to a degree it is cultural. I also think a lot of people use their devices differently. The phone element is just one of many features and often not the one most used. The size of the screen is nice and the device does slip into your pocket, not necessarily the front pocket of your jeans, but it is definitely a pocket device. So yeah... I think there is a market for a 5" device and I think it will only grow.

I got mine threw work and I really disliked it upon first sight. I was so embarrassed of the thought of using it in public I bought a bluetooth headset at the train station before going home and I hate those things. After taking it home though and spending a good 8 hours straight with it, It became my new friend and it is now my second favorite business phone of all time.

I've said all of this before about the Galaxy Note so I'll save you guys the regurgitated Fangirl rederick. Just a small warning to those who get one, after using it for a while you can never go back to you iPhones.

3.5" might as well be 1" because it will seem so tiny that it will drive you nuts.
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I look at it this way. If I, as an avid apple fan, can switch to android, many others are probably doing the same. I love iOS but I just could not put up with such a small screen anymore. The one-size-fits-all is not the best strategy for apple anymore, in my opinion. I pick the galaxy note for this very reason and keep my 4s as an iPod. However, I do wish I could install iOS on it, as android is still a little buggy on lower end devices. It runs pretty good on the Note and the likes. I hope they come out with a bigger phone than 3.5 inches.

I wanted to try all the OS's. Now that I have my Android phone I am glad I did. I try an use the wife's iPhone 4 and it is painful. The screen is horrible. This of course is my opinion, one based on having the phones side by side.
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I see what you did there, fortunately for me, I prefer to develop my own opinion about products, not rely on other people, form opinions based on others opinions and possibly miss out on a good product. Worked out for me because this phone is top notch.

Have you seen a psychiatrist recently? There is a wealth of objective analysis demonstrating that the iPhone 4S is a superior phone especially versus Samsung Galaxy S II. Apparently, the Samsung reality distortion field is in full effect.
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Have you seen a psychiatrist recently? There is a wealth of objective analysis demonstrating that the iPhone 4S is a superior phone especially versus Samsung Galaxy S II. Apparently, the Samsung reality distortion field is in full effect.

I personally use it and personally use a 4 and do not agree with most of the negative things I read about the SII LTE which are very few. Would love to see your links regarding the Galaxy SII LTE (Skyrocket), for the uninformed (such as yourself), the SII and the SII LTE (Skyrocket) are very different.

http://androidadvices.com/galaxy-s2-...le-comparison/
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I got mine threw work and I really disliked it upon first sight. I was so embarrassed of the thought of using it in public I bought a bluetooth headset at the train station before going home and I hate those things. After taking it home though and spending a good 8 hours straight with it, It became my new friend and it is now my second favorite business phone of all time.

I've said all of this before about the Galaxy Note so I'll save you guys the regurgitated Fangirl rederick. Just a small warning to those who get one, after using it for a while you can never go back to you iPhones.

3.5" might as well be 1" because it will seem so tiny that it will drive you nuts.

My apologies as I do not speak are German, French, Italian or Romansh. What is "rederick?" Is that an Android phone?

From my perspective that 5" phone seems microscopic compared to my 42" iPhone.
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No, but the most commonly sold phone running iOS throughout the world is the 4S and by a large margin. .

How many 4S have been sold compared to 4's and 3GS over the past reporting quarter.
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Samsung’s broad range of SKUs and price points "has resulted in share gains within the growing pre-paid smartphone market,"

Where Android is "winning", high volume, cheap phones with not much profit.

This is where Nokia is also "winning", as the number one handset maker.

Apple is doing just fine where they are.

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Well, Moto's nosediving (has been for well over a year) and HTC can't seem to get a decent phone out despite re-hashing and re-naming of the same lousy phone.

HTC will claw back a bit with their new "One" series, mighty nice phones that leave the Galaxy S 2 phones for dead.

There's a fair bit of innovation in them.
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Currently, Samsung Galaxy S II is priced at $99 with a two year contract on AT&T while the iPhone 4S 16 GB is priced at $199 with a two year contract.

If you're curious what ATT is asking for various phones take a look at this page . Compare to the phones mentioned in this article and I don't see cheap in the list.

By the way, the Galaxy SII was replaced by the slightly newer and LTE compatible SII Skyrocket last year and is priced equivalent to the base iPhone 4S. The original is no longer available from ATT.
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The screen quality is top notched, but it's just too small for me. iOS is better than android. The apps' quality are way better. Although android is feature-rich, it just does not feel like a finished product. If google focuses on refining the os, it will be unstoppable, though. As of now, iOS has the upper hand. Hardware-wise, though, is a whole different story.

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I wanted to try all the OS's. Now that I have my Android phone I am glad I did. I try an use the wife's iPhone 4 and it is painful. The screen is horrible. This of course is my opinion, one based on having the phones side by side.
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I see what you did there, fortunately for me, I prefer to develop my own opinion about products, not rely on other people, form opinions based on others opinions and possibly miss out on a good product. Worked out for me because this phone is top notch.

...until you plug in headphones and listen to some music.

Then you know it's second rate.

As I do this quite often with my iPhone 4, the GS 2 fails to meet my personal needs.

That's aside from it being incompatible with my collection of Apps.

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LOL

Off topic: Venice made me sick. The waterways are not clean and I have respiratory issues. The rest of Italy was a lot of fun.



No, but the most commonly sold phone running iOS throughout the world is the 4S and by a large margin. We can deduce this because of the ARP in Apple's quarterly reports.

Can we infer that the Galaxy S II running v4.x and only accounting for less than 2% of the models means that it's not the most commonly sold Android-based device model? No, all we can say is that devices capable of running ICS are low volume Android-based devices compared to devices running v2.x.

Isn't that just ridiculous SolipsismX, every phone manufacture that produces a Android phone has real problem in this area, upgrades. Why, because they need time to put their crappy bloat ware shell on top of what is already just fine. Going from Android 2.36 to Android 4.03 is a huge step and a very important upgrade that needs to be done now. However it is already April and Samsung still has the nerve to continue releasing new phones with an outdated OS. The Samsung Galaxy SII just barely got the update.

I even hear Jelly Bean is right around the corner and like you said barely 2% of Android phones have the 4.03 version. This is an outrage, disgusting and frankly bad business.

The only reason I put up with it is because I can run custom roms. I like taking others work and then modify it even more for my benefit. This of course is not for everyone and only a small number of people can do what I can, not tooting my own horn just saying the average user is screwed.

I like Android, I know, I know most of you don't but I do. However I really hate this trend of company's trying to separate themselves by creating these custom shells. Google needs to show some, please excuse this, balls and tell these manufactures to go screw themselves. You must use the vanilla version of Android, ask every tech reviewer what is the greatest problem with Android on a phone. They all say the same thing, those f*cking shells. Blur, Sense, TouchWiz all that crap needs to be nuked, it's all crap, crap, crap (wait let me click the button on my morphine drip, aaahhh) and more crap.
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My apologies as I do not speak are German, French, Italian or Romansh. What is "rederick?" Is that an Android phone?

Rhetoric, probably.
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If you're curious what ATT is asking for various phones take a look at this page . Compare to the phones mentioned in this article and I don't see cheap in the list.

By the way, the Galaxy SII was replaced by the slightly newer and LTE compatible SII Skyrocket last year and is priced equivalent to the base iPhone 4S. The original is no longer available from ATT.

What are these, then?

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...n&allManus=on#
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